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Jun 23, 2021 10:00 AM
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I liked that the post-credits scene was where the final episode ended, but I have read in many places mixed opinions of it. Some people felt like the post-credits scene ruined the ending, like, saying it was pretty much an unnecessary happy ending, saying it could have ended perfectly without it. Others say they liked the way the post-credits scene finished the story. I'm curious about your opinion on it.
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Jun 23, 2021 10:05 AM
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I would've liked it less than I do now if that's the case. My main problem is the credit scene. The credit scene was SO weak for me. They could just put a rolling credit and play the last 1/3 of "Sing My Pleasure" (because the lyric and tone in that part was quite emotional) yet they decided to do a slow-paced instrumental song and slow-paced credit. The post-credit scene is carrying it back.

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Jun 23, 2021 10:42 AM
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Doesnt really matter for me, both ways can be impactful if done right. I don’t really have an opinion when it comes to the ending, it’s just there...Vivy as a whole for me was just there, barely had any impact, probably cuz I thought the series didn’t try to create anything new when it comes to AI apocalypse themes that we’ve seen thousands of times.
Jun 23, 2021 11:23 AM
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I think the post-credits scene made it better. Besides the obvious reason (a generally happier ending for those who have grown attached to Vivy and Matsumoto and want to see them continue their existence in some manner), it also delivers on Matsumoto’s wish in episode 10 that he and Vivy may cross paths again in a future where there is no war.

It’s still a bittersweet ending because the Vivy we have come to know is lost forever, but this new Vivy finally has a chance to fulfill the mission she was originally designed for, this time free of all the death and despair the original Vivy had to experience.

It’s a beautiful ending honestly. Don’t know why so many people have issues with it.
Jun 23, 2021 12:25 PM
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I think i would have enjoyed it more if it ended with death because now i desire answers to what happened after. Its fine though, I'll endure it
Jun 23, 2021 1:29 PM
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It won't affect me when the ending was already meh and predictable.

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The post-credits scene is fake to me anw, so it doesn't matter haha
Jun 23, 2021 3:14 PM
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Vivy got confirmed hit by the personality eraser virus, so it does not matter, it's not our Vivy.

It's not a full happy ending for our Vivy, other than the fact that she died doing her mission.
Jun 23, 2021 3:35 PM
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I liked post credits scene so much. Its in my top5 now
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Jun 23, 2021 4:56 PM

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BlakexEkalb said:
Scordolo said:
It won't affect me when the ending was already meh and predictable.


You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.


Basically what I wanted to say. For some reason people are always looking for endings with mind-bending twists or defy their expectations in some way, while disregarding the fact that an expected/predictable but fitting ending that serves as a proper culmination of the events and themes introduced in the series is just as good an ending.
Jun 23, 2021 5:10 PM
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Judgment526 said:
I think the post-credits scene made it better. Besides the obvious reason (a generally happier ending for those who have grown attached to Vivy and Matsumoto and want to see them continue their existence in some manner), it also delivers on Matsumoto’s wish in episode 10 that he and Vivy may cross paths again in a future where there is no war.

It’s still a bittersweet ending because the Vivy we have come to know is lost forever, but this new Vivy finally has a chance to fulfill the mission she was originally designed for, this time free of all the death and despair the original Vivy had to experience.

It’s a beautiful ending honestly. Don’t know why so many people have issues with it.


Just to add to this, I want to point out Vivy’s last words before she sang. They were her answers to what she believed to be a “heart” which were her memories, which shaped who she was.

The lyrics of her song also tie along with this. They described her struggles and experiences that she had gained throughout her 100 year journey, recorded through her eyes. Within the lyrics, she also says her goodbye and thank you. I could only assume she’s talking about her heart here and all the people responsible for them. She describes her shattered dreams, knowing that her mission of making people happy could no longer continue, and to understand that sadness she recorded them with her memories. And even if the eyes she recorded her memories are gone and she loses her heart, in other words, she dies, she knows that she had made an impact on the future. However, she still feels sad seeing that she wishes to keep looking.

That brings me to the name of the episode as well actually, “Fluorite Eye’s song”. Fluorite is a material used in camera lenses, and is very beautiful as well. Since Vivy is an AI, her eyes would actually be made of Fluorite to be cameras. It’s why in many scenes throughout the show we see these hyper detailed images of them, which resemble the mineral.

In case you didn’t put two and two together yet, “Flourite Eye’s song” is named that because it’s a song gathering her past memories and showing them to the world through the view of her Fluorite Eyes.

It becomes ironic to the audience however, since we see these memories wiped from her. The one and only time Vivy sang with her memories, her “heart”, she loses it. We see when she performed the song that those memories are shown out on the screen, perhaps that symbolized Vivy losing those memories as she sang?

Hopefully I wasn’t too redundant during that, but I really do feel as if the ending with Vivy losing her memories is truly beautiful considering the lyrics of her song and what she believed.
Jun 23, 2021 5:25 PM

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I really prefer the post credit scene in this show. It make the show have a positive ending to it and shows that the world is alright and god.

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Jun 23, 2021 8:28 PM

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I don't mind either way. I think I still would have positive thoughts on the series overall and I think that's what matters



Jun 23, 2021 9:02 PM

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MegaStride said:
Scordolo said:
It won't affect me when the ending was already meh and predictable.


You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.

What do you even gain to point out my favourites?Only assholes and those with superiority complex do that.So many people are saying "It's a masterpiece" when it's technically not.The word "Masterpiece" has nearly lost it's meaning when people just throw it around everywhere.Also,the ending doesn't even make sense.Just because the visuals and the song is beautiful doesn't make it a perfect ending.The ending already has many flaws.

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Jun 23, 2021 10:12 PM

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MegaStride said:
Scordolo said:
It won't affect me when the ending was already meh and predictable.


You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.
I just noticed you are the same guy who made a forum in anime discussion section about what is the best anime so far , Attack on Titan received most votes then you change the name from AOT to Vivy , That's really a pathetic move to make every one convenience Vivy is a masterpiece , Vivy is not the best anime of this season by any means. It's a good show but compare to wit other previous project it's mid show.
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Zean_9435 said:
MegaStride said:


You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.
I just noticed you are the same guy who made a forum in anime discussion section about what is the best anime so far , Attack on Titan received most votes then you change the name from AOT to Vivy , That's really a pathetic move to make every one convenience Vivy is a masterpiece , Vivy is not the best anime of this season by any means. It's a good show but compare to wit other previous project it's mid show.

Exactly.It's a 7/10 at best.Not more than that.

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Jun 23, 2021 10:52 PM

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Scordolo said:
Zean_9435 said:
I just noticed you are the same guy who made a forum in anime discussion section about what is the best anime so far , Attack on Titan received most votes then you change the name from AOT to Vivy , That's really a pathetic move to make every one convenience Vivy is a masterpiece , Vivy is not the best anime of this season by any means. It's a good show but compare to wit other previous project it's mid show.

Exactly.It's a 7/10 at best.Not more than that.
I have given it 8/10 based on my enjoyment . I like the animation and music , plot wise it's not a good show especially last 2 arcs although I enjoyed the last episode.
Jun 23, 2021 10:57 PM

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MegaStride said:
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Exactly.It's a 7/10 at best.Not more than that.


Your favorites list says everything I need to say

Lmao you don't know how to form an opinion so you take favorite shaming as your last resort.Why are you making yourself look more pathetic?

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Jun 23, 2021 11:11 PM

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Eh doesn't really matter if it was changed or not, the ending was still pretty good for me. 9.5/10 for me atleast.
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Jun 24, 2021 2:46 AM

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The post credit scene was a sign that her adventure continues as Vivy 2.0
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Jun 24, 2021 10:03 AM
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I think it's good. The point of the post credits scene, imo, wasn't to show that Vivy survived. She's not the same Vivy. Her personality was erased again. It's to show that the mission was successful. That humanity survived, and that if nothing else, these two AI could peacefully coexist with humanity.
Jun 24, 2021 10:07 AM
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Janethan23 said:
The post credit scene was a sign that her adventure continues as Vivy 2.0


That's a nice thought, but it sounds like sequel bait and I felt the opposite. It gave a finality to the story. The Singularity project is concluded, and AI and humanity coexist.
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BubblegumSenpai said:
Janethan23 said:
The post credit scene was a sign that her adventure continues as Vivy 2.0


That's a nice thought, but it sounds like sequel bait and I felt the opposite. It gave a finality to the story. The Singularity project is concluded, and AI and humanity coexist.

I should've elaborated more...
When I said her adventure continues I meant as a free individual no longer burdened with the weight if the world. Vivy earned the chance to exist as 2.0 to live a fresh life normally and experience the adventure called life.
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Jun 25, 2021 1:23 AM
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Scordolo said:
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You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.

What do you even gain to point out my favourites?Only assholes and those with superiority complex do that.So many people are saying "It's a masterpiece" when it's technically not.The word "Masterpiece" has nearly lost it's meaning when people just throw it around everywhere.Also,the ending doesn't even make sense.Just because the visuals and the song is beautiful doesn't make it a perfect ending.The ending already has many flaws.
I mean your favorites are also meh and predictable. So going off that, Vivy should be up there with your favorites.

Also, can you explain how it's not technically a masterpiece?
Jun 25, 2021 1:25 PM
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I think that would have been too cruel; at least let her finish the song!

It's mostly fine. The last scene is much more calm but I mean something good should happen in the end given all the bad stuff that did happen and I didn't really want the last image of the show to be our heroine collapsed on the floor, dead. Even in shows where the hero dies, they usually get at least a satisfied look on their face. Not here.

Though what is common with these things that bother people is it's intentionally ambiguous, and I get that.
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Judgment526 said:
BlakexEkalb said:


You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.


Basically what I wanted to say. For some reason people are always looking for endings with mind-bending twists or defy their expectations in some way, while disregarding the fact that an expected/predictable but fitting ending that serves as a proper culmination of the events and themes introduced in the series is just as good an ending.
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What do you even gain to point out my favourites?Only assholes and those with superiority complex do that.So many people are saying "It's a masterpiece" when it's technically not.The word "Masterpiece" has nearly lost it's meaning when people just throw it around everywhere.Also,the ending doesn't even make sense.Just because the visuals and the song is beautiful doesn't make it a perfect ending.The ending already has many flaws.
I mean your favorites are also meh and predictable. So going off that, Vivy should be up there with your favorites.

Also, can you explain how it's not technically a masterpiece?
calm down bro, everyone can clearly see who has superiority complex here...get a life
Jul 27, 2021 10:24 PM
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I loved the end credit scene at least we know she can still fulfill her mission
Aug 2, 2021 4:16 AM
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the story should have kept vivy memory i guess she will just start recovery again XD

please don't think that is A.I haven that's like worser..
Aug 2, 2021 4:22 AM

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[No matter how it ended, I still don't like it (your vote)] since the entire last episode was so generic
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[No matter how it ended, I still don't like it (your vote)] since the entire last episode was so generic


Ngl the irony of having Naruto and MHA in your favorites is quite hilarious

Just because something is “generic” doesn’t mean bad, pea brain.
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MegaStride said:
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[No matter how it ended, I still don't like it (your vote)] since the entire last episode was so generic


Ngl the irony of having Naruto and MHA in your favorites is quite hilarious

Just because something is “generic” doesn’t mean bad, pea brain.



Ah ofc, classic line. Funny how you cry over a small thing

Being generic is not a bad thing if it's still fun to watch
but if it's just become tiring to see, that's when it gets bad

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Its doesn't matter because the ending turned it to be my favorite anime ever!!
Aug 3, 2021 1:45 PM
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Nah bro , ending it with vivy's death would literally tear me apart , probably going to make me freaking depressed for a week or so , im glad they showed us atleast some part of her still alive , i mean shes not fully herself which would make it a bittersweet ending , whichever ending it is , this anime will probably be one that ill remember in 10 years in the future :))
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The post credit scene was a bad attempt to make a happy ending on my opinion, Vivy was forced to shutdown when she sang to shutdown the archive but has we can see with Beth there's no need to be connected to the archive to store data, so why did the Vivy in the end feel like just a random AI with her name and not actually Vivy when for what we know there should be a way to have an AI with Vivy's data bringing the sense that she was still alive, what we saw was Vivy not showing a connection to Matsumoto, something that wouldn't happen if she had her data, just proving Vivy actually "died", i couldn't really tell if that was actually Matsumoto or not as he did already act that way after Vivy froze on the metal float, but nonetheless ending right at the credits would give our imagination the chance to say that her data was recovered.
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Scordolo said:
MegaStride said:


You know what is also predictable? Haikyuu and My Hero Academia. Predictable isn’t bad, especially when it’s done WELL, which it did in Vivy’s case.

What do you even gain to point out my favourites?Only assholes and those with superiority complex do that.So many people are saying "It's a masterpiece" when it's technically not.The word "Masterpiece" has nearly lost it's meaning when people just throw it around everywhere.Also,the ending doesn't even make sense.Just because the visuals and the song is beautiful doesn't make it a perfect ending.The ending already has many flaws.


U don't have HeroAca in your favourites. He literally just guessed it. You're just insecure and stuck up. GTFO
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Some people felt like the post-credits scene ruined the ending, like, saying it was pretty much an unnecessary happy ending, saying it could have ended perfectly without it.


First of all you're misinterpreting it because that wasn't the same Vivy. Vivy is dead and cannot be copied because she's the only self-aware AI to ever exist. If Vivy could be revived then that's the same as saying people have become immortal because consciousness can be transferred. The story didn't care about this. Vivy died.

Second of all, the point was to show that humans and AI found peace in the future which was the entire point of the story. So it was obviously necessary to show it, otherwise it would be an open ending where people could be extremely traumatized by the AI and chose to live without them. This was not the purpose of the story and the post-credit scene made that clear.
Aug 30, 2021 8:39 AM

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Doesnt really matter...The ending was underwhelming and rushed..
Mainly because the final song too was quite meh...compared to vivy s previous songs tbh
NOt to mention no good action or something like that happened..It wasnt emotionally elevating like episode 6 for example.., A satisying answer to what the heart was not even given tbh...There were so many things the writer could have pulled of but what ever i guess
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The post-credit scene is logically consistent with the plot and common sense. It's not like Vivy died and was revived all of a sudden, she just had her data wiped. She is, after all, a machine.

And it's a perfect ending for this story because this Vivy is not the Vivy we know, but basically, just a seedling of her consciousness in the form of a somewhat vague "mission". They're laying it thick but this is a smart ending.
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Doesnt really matter for me, both ways can be impactful if done right. I don’t really have an opinion when it comes to the ending, it’s just there...Vivy as a whole for me was just there, barely had any impact, probably cuz I thought the series didn’t try to create anything new when it comes to AI apocalypse themes that we’ve seen thousands of times.

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