| https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/04/21/columbus-police-officer-fatally-shoots-black-teenage-girl-bodycam-footage-released/?sh=667dea726405 A teenage girl was fatally shot by police in Ohio Tuesday afternoon, minutes before a judge announced that a jury found former Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin guilty of murder and manslaughter in the the killing of George Floyd. The Columbus Division of Police dispatched officers at 4:36 p.m. after a 911 caller said someone was trying to stab and fight them. Officers arrived at 4:44 p.m., and a body-worn camera from the first officer at the scene shows a group of people, including several teen girls, standing outside a house. As the officer asked what was going on, one girl pushed another to the ground, then pushed another against a car. At a news conference Tuesday night, interim police chief Michael Woods showed a slowed-down version of some of the footage. In it, a knife is visible in the girl's hand. The officer yelled "get down, get down" multiple times, then fired four gunshots — just 10 seconds after he got out of his police car. The girl slumped to the ground, and the people around her erupted in screams. "Is she shot?" one woman cried. "She had a knife," the officer said. "She's a fucking kid, man," a man replied. Family members identified the girl who was killed as Ma’Khia or Makiyah Bryant, who was 15 or 16; relatives provided different ages and spellings for the girl's name. Police declined to officially identify her Tuesday night, saying they wanted to ensure all next-of-kin were notified beforehand. A woman who identified herself as the girl's aunt, Hazel Bryant, told reporters earlier in the evening that her niece lived in a foster home and got into an altercation with someone else at the house, the Dispatch reported. According to the Daily Beast, the girl's aunt said the teen called police, as well as her father and grandmother, for help and grabbed a knife to defend herself. She said her niece dropped it before an officer shot her multiple times. “She was a good kid. She was loving,” Hazel Bryant said. “Yeah, she had issues but that's OK. All of us go through shit. ... She didn’t deserve to die like a dog in the street.” The girl's mother Paula Bryant told reporters her daughter was an honor-roll student and a sweet kid. =============================================== Check the video linked. Shows body cam footage of the incident. Seems justified in this case because the kid was clearly armed with a knife and was about to stab someone with it. Skip to 6:42 Mod Note: Changed title to match the legitimate sources title. Salvatia: So I take it buzzfeed news & aljazeera aren't considered a legitimate source in this forum. That's a relief. I'll be taking note of this. |
SlawadiaApr 30, 2021 1:34 PM
| “She was a good kid. She was loving,” “Yeah, she had issues but that's OK. All of us go through shit.” ya right... |
| Jesus. Fucking. Christ. |
| the plan is to desensitize the USA citizens and make this so normalize that it does not matter anymore lol Clown World |
| It's sad how this isn't necessarily surprising. Rest in Piece |
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| Smh this is what they want. These fucking MAGA lives matter fucks want to start a race war! |
| What a misfortunate (((coincidence))) to happen. |
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| Jesus christ man....we couldn't even have ONE fucking day. |
| Sounds absolutely awful, but statistically speaking, 3 people get shot by police every 24 hours in the US. That is most definitely not a result of sheer misfortune. I hope Biden's community violence intervention programs work because that would ultimately reduce police shootings as well. The situation is beyond tragic. |
| Would be helpful to have the 911 call to see if there was some miscommunication somewhere or not. Regardless there was other ways to handle that. |
| US cops are psychopaths, they want to kill people. Did she drop the knife or not? That will be key on whether the cop is charged or not. She's stupid for not dumping the knife as soon as the cop showed up. |
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QPR said: US cops are psychopaths, they want to kill people. Did she drop the knife or not? That will be key on whether the cop is charged or not. She's stupid for not dumping the knife as soon as the cop showed up. Regardless of if it should have been acted on with force a tazer would have seemed more appropriate here for multiple reasons. Also a baton could relatively easily knock a knife out of someone's hand as well. |
| yeah a tazer would have been better. however the incident happened like 10 seconds after the cop got out of the car and the cop probably didn't have the luxury of switching when the girl in pink was a second away from getting stabbed  |
| If that was right before he shot, I believe the shooting was justified, she looks like she's going to kill the girl in pink. Shooting 4 times is a bit much though. |
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Slawadia said: yeah a tazer would have been better. however the incident happened like 10 seconds after the cop got out of the car and the cop probably didn't have the luxury of switching when the girl in pink was a second away from getting stabbed That could be from one problem with how police are trained. They draw their gun first thing sometimes even when nothing is occuring at the moment and just come out in a threatening manner right from the start which causes all sorts of trouble sometimes. What weapon they have them draw or if any should be drawn should be situationally based. Usually when ariving on scene their is at least some idea what is going on and while of course they have to adjust real time it at least could reduce incidents. Of course it may work both ways too where it also reduces police killed because people wont get scared and go into fight mode because they feel their life is in danger. I mean who trusts anyone just because they are wearing blue? You dont even always know they even are a cop if you don't see them roll up in a marked vehicle. |
SemillaMinoria said: Literally the only group bitching about race is brainwashed fucking sheep that support BLM/Antifa and whatever left-wing propaganda you freaks get off to.Smh this is what they want. These fucking MAGA lives matter fucks want to start a race war! When a group of people see the world entirely in "us" vs "them" and "white" vs "black" that group is without a doubt detached from reality and inherently racist. Seek help mate. |
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| Welp that was ironic |
While this really is a misfortuned event, what twitter had to say was probably even more shocking |
Cneq said: SemillaMinoria said: Literally the only group bitching about race is brainwashed fucking sheep that support BLM/Antifa and whatever left-wing propaganda you freaks get off to.Smh this is what they want. These fucking MAGA lives matter fucks want to start a race war! When a group of people see the world entirely in "us" vs "them" and "white" vs "black" that group is without a doubt detached from reality and inherently racist. Seek help mate. See that's where you fucked up. It isn't "Us" vs "Them". It's, "Them" vs "Us" and always has been. We're just trying to live in peace and integrate with society. They are the ones who want to kill us or keep us down in various other ways. Stop blaming the victim. |
SemillaMinoria said: Cneq said: Literally the only group bitching about race is brainwashed fucking sheep that support BLM/Antifa and whatever left-wing propaganda you freaks get off to. When a group of people see the world entirely in "us" vs "them" and "white" vs "black" that group is without a doubt detached from reality and inherently racist. Seek help mate. See that's where you fucked up. It isn't "Us" vs "Them". It's, "Them" vs "Us" and always has been. Well it seems diversity isn't working then. We're just trying to live in peace and integrate with society. African-Americans have the highest gang population, and are 13% of the population yet commit 56% of the homicides. That does not sound like peace and integration. |
RuneImperialist said: SemillaMinoria said: See that's where you fucked up. It isn't "Us" vs "Them". It's, "Them" vs "Us" and always has been. Well it seems diversity isn't working then. We're just trying to live in peace and integrate with society. African-Americans have the highest gang population, and are 13% of the population yet commit 56% of the homicides. That does not sound like peace and integration. I hate gangs, believe me. I grew up in a gang neighbourhood I know all too well. But do you even know the story behind the gangs and those statistics? Watch this and then get back to me. Change the subtitles to English in the settings or turn them off (it came up in Spanish or Portuguese for me). |
Figva said: While this really is a misfortuned event, what twitter had to say was probably even more shocking I mean at least she's consistent. The woman has "abolish the police" in her name. She probably doesn't want police addressing anything. OT: Okay hot take: If there's even a +5% increased chance of losing the life of the innocent by opting for a non-lethal option against the aggressor, you ought to be utilizing lethal action. 5% of an innocent's life weighs more than 100% of the guilty's. I can agree with @traed in terms of taser as it probably wouldn't increase the chance of losing the innocent, but most definitely not the baton. |
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| Where them tasters and non lethal bullets at when you need them?? Man US police is incompetent as fuck. How this is being spinned as racism and police brutality is weak though. Bitch tried to stab 2 girls and her dad was no better, kicking the fat one on the ground. Fucking clowns. Maybe if you didn't encourage your kid to be hoodrat this would've never happened. |
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Kaasfondue said: Where them tasters and non lethal bullets at when you need them?? Man US police is incompetent as fuck. How this is being spinned as racism and police brutality is weak though. Bitch tried to stab 2 girls and her dad was no better, kicking the fat one on the ground. Fucking clowns. Maybe if you didn't encourage your kid to be hoodrat this would've never happened. No time for tasers when the knife is already coming down. There's also a general rule in law enforcement and self defense that states that when someone is within 21 feet of you, they can close the gap on you (and stab you in this case) before you can draw a gun and shoot them. Police are called to a stabbing and the first cop on scene sees a girl in the middle of stabbing someone else, he's not going to go for his taser with no one else to back him up with lethal force if it was needed. Knives are deadly force. |
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_FRB_ said: Hmm I guess. Maybe he could've got out of his car with a taser ready but that's too much to ask tbh. Sucks he had no other choice but to draw his gun then.Kaasfondue said: Where them tasters and non lethal bullets at when you need them?? Man US police is incompetent as fuck. How this is being spinned as racism and police brutality is weak though. Bitch tried to stab 2 girls and her dad was no better, kicking the fat one on the ground. Fucking clowns. Maybe if you didn't encourage your kid to be hoodrat this would've never happened. No time for tasers when the knife is already coming down. There's also a general rule in law enforcement and self defense that states that when someone is within 21 feet of you, they can close the gap on you (and stab you in this case) before you can draw a gun and shoot them. Police are called to a stabbing and the first cop on scene sees a girl in the middle of stabbing someone else, he's not going to go for his taser with no one else to back him up with lethal force if it was needed. Knives are deadly force. |
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| Police shot and killed a lot more people that probably deserve it less than this girl did, she might have been dangerous. |
| Well, another reason to protest I guess? Seems like it. :) |
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shintai88 said: Do people no longer shot into the air as a warning like sheriffs in cowboy movies? Or shot the limbs to incapacitate? On a serious note, after the first shot the rest were excessive that is shot to kill mentality there. Taser could have been better, but it does seem like reaching for the gun is second nature due to their training. Also the cops after reaction to still have the gun primed for more shooting, despite the shot being on the ground and limp shows a lack of after care. That said the action he took may have saved the other girls life, as some has pointed out with a screen shot there was a knife object in the other girls hand and she was primed for deal damage. I am sorry, but this is just chock full of ignorance. Warning shots are dangerous. Cops are responsible for every bullet that leaves their gun. More relevantly, this is also why they aim for center mass and don't shoot for the legs. Shooting someone in the legs is a) about just as likely to be fatal, b) more likely to over penetrate and ricochet or otherwise hit someone else, or c) miss because legs are a harder target to hit, making it more likely to ricochet. It is not realistic or safer to shoot for the limbs or fire warning shots. That's for the movies, like you said. Ricochets are real, popping a moving target in the kneecap to immobilize is not. What proof do you have that first shot killed her, and that the after shots were therefore excessive? None. No more shots are fired after she is down on the ground. Cops don't "shoot to kill" they shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. That may take 1 bullet, it may take 4, it may take a whole magazine. People have been shot several times and still went on to kill a few people. We are also ignoring the fact that police can miss. Just because 4 shots were fired, doesn't mean that 4 shots hit her. Most studies on this subject say ~25% of shots fired in police shootings hit. Even though I cannot be sure that happened here, it is still the rule of averages. I'll let you do the math on what 25% of 4 is. Your "proof" that there was a lack of aftercare is not only ridiculous, but demonstrably false. In the 15 seconds of footage after the shots, they descend on her. Although, just because someone is not moving does not mean they cannot start moving again. In a recent police shooting, the suspect is shot once, doesn't move for 5 minutes, and then shoots at police again. More people have to arrive on scene to secure the suspect, secure the scene, etc. The lone cop that just shot cannot start aftercare in the 5 seconds after shooting someone. That is asinine. Many sources say that medics were called and aftercare was started almost immediately: https://www.npr.org/2021/04/20/989342784/16-year-old-black-girl-who-called-for-help-fatally-shot-by-police-ohio-family-sa https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/21/columbus-police-shooting-16-year-old/ https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/16-year-old-girl-shot-and-killed-by-police-officer-in-southeast-columbus/530-c77bb47e-97d1-47b5-8ed8-099c105a0f20 https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2021/04/21/makhia-bryant-columbus-police-discuss-shooting-body-camera-video/7318569002/ As for tasers: _FRB_ said: No time for tasers when the knife is already coming down. There's also a general rule in law enforcement and self defense that states that when someone is within 21 feet of you, they can close the gap on you (and stab you in this case) before you can draw a gun and shoot them. Police are called to a stabbing and the first cop on scene sees a girl in the middle of stabbing someone else, he's not going to go for his taser with no one else to back him up with lethal force if it was needed. Knives are deadly force. In addition, tasers are unreliable. They are not a magic tool. You have one shot, that one shot has to make contact with two projectiles, to the skin (not the clothes.) Literally even body fat can render tasers useless. Look any video of tasers being ineffective. That said, even if everything was perfect and you have less than lethal and lethal force at the ready, I don't believe a taser at any point during the 10 seconds between arrival and shots fired would have been appropriate. An immediate deadly threat is happening right in front of them. She has the other girl pinned against the car and is mid-swing. Police do not, and should not, use non lethal force against someone who is in the middle of using lethal force. Active shooters either surrender or are shot. The same should be said of someone actively stabbing someone else. Mass stabbings are a thing, not that I am saying that that would've happened here, just pointing to the underestimated lethality of knives. It is a disappointing situation, but at the end of the day it is one of the cleanest police shoots people have ever gotten up in arms about. You acknowledge yourself that someone's life was saved here by the actions he took. That should tell you all you need to know. |
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Auron_ said: [ OT: Okay hot take: If there's even a +5% increased chance of losing the life of the innocent by opting for a non-lethal option against the aggressor, you ought to be utilizing lethal action. 5% of an innocent's life weighs more than 100% of the guilty's. I can agree with @traed in terms of taser as it probably wouldn't increase the chance of losing the innocent, but most definitely not the baton. I dont mean beating someone with a baton just hitting certain weapons out of hand if in close range which doesn't necessarily require hitting their hand and if it is hitting their hand it doesnt require full force to be enough to make someone drop something so im not saying break their hand but yeah it can be abused or misused but some do carry batons already I mean. Tazers (well actually it's a stun gun if you want to get precise) aren't totally non lethal so of course there is risk with them but when other people are near by it's less risk of injuring or killing multiple people or a random passer by. Ive seen some suggest a blunt force object inserted into their normal guns that fires with first shot to be like a warning shot to stun but with how trigger happy cops in US are they will pull trigger more than once then regular bullets would fly out. Conceptualhero said: Shooting in the air is a hazard. The bullets that come down can kill someone, as there are real life instances where this have occurred. The woman was about to be stabbed and shooting the limbs is not a guarantee the person with the knife will be incapacitated immediately. You can do it with blanks or even just fake it with a speaker. It basically is just to get attention and shock of people by startling them with a loud noise. The only downside to this technique would be if someone else has a gun and it makes them start firing at the cop or someone else. _FRB_ said: Warning shots are dangerous. Cops are responsible for every bullet that leaves their gun. More relevantly, this is also why they aim for center mass and don't shoot for the legs. Shooting someone in the legs is a) about just as likely to be fatal, b) more likely to over penetrate and ricochet or otherwise hit someone else, or c) miss because legs are a harder target to hit, making it more likely to ricochet. It is not realistic or safer to shoot for the limbs or fire warning shots. That's for the movies, like you said. Ricochets are real, popping a moving target in the kneecap to immobilize is not. See above reply on warning shots Not even a shoulder shot? It's high up so no ricochet. Im talking when closer range where they would have to be a shit shot or the other person moving fast. Or they could carry a different gun for that use one less powerful so ricochet isnt a big risk. Also don't forget cops use bullets that burst on impact not maintain their form well. This makes them more lethal but the intent is also to help prevent it from going all the way through and hitting someone else. _FRB_ said: In addition, tasers are unreliable. They are not a magic tool. You have one shot, that one shot has to make contact with two projectiles, to the skin (not the clothes.) Literally even body fat can render tasers useless. Look any video of tasers being ineffective. They have two shots iirc. There also is blunt force weapons like beanbag guns but of course those only are used certain situations. |
traedApr 21, 2021 1:27 PM
SemillaMinoria said: There is no "us" vs "them" period and you alongside others have been brainwashed to the point that you believe it's true.Cneq said: Literally the only group bitching about race is brainwashed fucking sheep that support BLM/Antifa and whatever left-wing propaganda you freaks get off to. When a group of people see the world entirely in "us" vs "them" and "white" vs "black" that group is without a doubt detached from reality and inherently racist. Seek help mate. See that's where you fucked up. It isn't "Us" vs "Them". It's, "Them" vs "Us" and always has been. We're just trying to live in peace and integrate with society. They are the ones who want to kill us or keep us down in various other ways. Stop blaming the victim. I grew up in a low-income housing projects with a population of 99.9% Mexicans and there was never a "us" vs "them" and my best friend who'd I'd know for a decade didn't think this way either. Of course it seems your left-wing cult has started excluding Mexicans from your little victim mentality circle so no clue about that now. What can be said is that the only people thinking people are "out to kill them" are incredible disturbed and this almost fulfills a self-fulfilling prophecy because people have been brainwashed to fear another human-being if he happens to be a "cop" and then people go around circle-jerking each other when a cop kills someone lawfully after being shot at or ran at with a knife. I'd highly suggest actually watching hours upon hours of bodycam footage, learning martial arts such as Wing Chun [which is similar to the one taught when training cops] and learning US national and state laws. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g Anything less than that will leave you as a brainwashed tool of politicians trying to make you see everything in race and hate your fellow man out of a delusional fantasy of fear. |
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traed said: Auron_ said: [ OT: Okay hot take: If there's even a +5% increased chance of losing the life of the innocent by opting for a non-lethal option against the aggressor, you ought to be utilizing lethal action. 5% of an innocent's life weighs more than 100% of the guilty's. I can agree with @traed in terms of taser as it probably wouldn't increase the chance of losing the innocent, but most definitely not the baton. I dont mean beating someone with a baton just hitting certain weapons out of hand if in close range which doesn't necessarily require hitting their hand and if it is hitting their hand it doesnt require full force to be enough to make someone drop something so im not saying break their hand but yeah it can be abused or misused but some do carry batons already I mean. Tazers (well actually it's a stun gun if you want to get precise) aren't totally non lethal so of course there is risk with them but when other people are near by it's less risk of injuring or killing multiple people or a random passer by. Ive seen some suggest a blunt force object inserted into their normal guns that fires with first shot to be like a warning shot to stun but with how trigger happy cops in US are they will pull trigger more than once then regular bullets would fly out. Conceptualhero said: Shooting in the air is a hazard. The bullets that come down can kill someone, as there are real life instances where this have occurred. The woman was about to be stabbed and shooting the limbs is not a guarantee the person with the knife will be incapacitated immediately. You can do it with blanks or even just fake it with a speaker. It basically is just to get attention and shock of people by startling them with a loud noise. The only downside to this technique would be if someone else has a gun and it makes them start firing at the cop or someone else. _FRB_ said: Warning shots are dangerous. Cops are responsible for every bullet that leaves their gun. More relevantly, this is also why they aim for center mass and don't shoot for the legs. Shooting someone in the legs is a) about just as likely to be fatal, b) more likely to over penetrate and ricochet or otherwise hit someone else, or c) miss because legs are a harder target to hit, making it more likely to ricochet. It is not realistic or safer to shoot for the limbs or fire warning shots. That's for the movies, like you said. Ricochets are real, popping a moving target in the kneecap to immobilize is not. See above reply on warning shots Not even a shoulder shot? It's high up so no ricochet. Im talking when closer range where they would have to be a shit shot or the other person moving fast. Or they could carry a different gun for that use one less powerful so ricochet isnt a big risk. Also don't forget cops use bullets that burst on impact not maintain their form well. This makes them more lethal but the intent is also to help prevent it from going all the way through and hitting someone else. _FRB_ said: In addition, tasers are unreliable. They are not a magic tool. You have one shot, that one shot has to make contact with two projectiles, to the skin (not the clothes.) Literally even body fat can render tasers useless. Look any video of tasers being ineffective. They have two shots iirc. There also is blunt force weapons like beanbag guns but of course those only are used certain situations. You already answered your own question on why cops don't "fake" warning shots. The most important thing here is that time is of the essence. This is not someone standing around with a knife threatening to use it, this is someone using it that is literally seconds away from likely killing someone. She is mid-swing, as I said. A "less powerful" (???, 9mm which is used by basically all American police agencies is already about the least powerful it gets while still being able to be called a bullet) option is not feasible, especially when your case for its existence is "less likely to cause damage in misses or richochets, thereby allowing police to aim more recklessly". Beanbag rounds are shot from a shotgun, which most of the time is going to be kept in the trunk. Too much time and too much risk for someone about to die. As I said, active shooters surrender or are shot. People currently stabbing someone should be treated the same. Currently the most commonly used taser (X26) has one cartridge that needs to be reloaded after firing. There exists tasers that can fire more than once before reloading. However, less than two weeks ago, there was a report about Columbus police that confirms they use the X26 which can only shoot once: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/13/columbus-area-police-protocols-guns-tasers-confusion/7203917002/ |
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AmityBlight said: MoonDragon72 said: The pigs are back at it already, fucking hell... Fun fact first ever american cops used to be KKK members. I assume when you say cops, you are talking about the modern iteration of police, not constables. If so, then Police organisations were very metropolitian, the south where the KKK presence mostly existed, was not metropolitian. The First American police would have been in the Northeast, where their was neither the KKK or an African American population larger than a few percent. This comment shows your absolute ignorance of American history. If you mean Constables, well they would have been first created in the first British colony, Virginia, however, that would've long before the KKK existed. And even if you want to argue "US" American, well they would existed in 1775-1800, long before the KKK existed. |
RuneRemApr 21, 2021 5:09 PM
_FRB_ said: You already answered your own question on why cops don't "fake" warning shots. The most important thing here is that time is of the essence. This is not someone standing around with a knife threatening to use it, this is someone using it that is literally seconds away from likely killing someone. She is mid-swing, as I said. A "less powerful" (???, 9mm which is used by basically all American police agencies is already about the least powerful it gets while still being able to be called a bullet) option is not feasible, especially when your case for its existence is "less likely to cause damage in misses or richochets, thereby allowing police to aim more recklessly". Beanbag rounds are shot from a shotgun, which most of the time is going to be kept in the trunk. Too much time and too much risk for someone about to die. As I said, active shooters surrender or are shot. People currently stabbing someone should be treated the same. Currently the most commonly used taser (X26) has one cartridge that needs to be reloaded after firing. There exists tasers that can fire more than once before reloading. However, less than two weeks ago, there was a report about Columbus police that confirms they use the X26 which can only shoot once: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/13/columbus-area-police-protocols-guns-tasers-confusion/7203917002/ I was implying to only do a warning shot in certain scenarios where the risk someone has a gun is considered low. Plus if it was standard policy people would know it's not a live round and may react less aggressive over it. Not saying it should be something used in every situation not even every low risk situation. It doesn't even have to be a gunshot it could just be a loud sound in general which wouldn't be mistaken for a gunshot. It's just a thought spitballed out off what someone else said not some deeply researched plan but I have some prior knowledge. A similar technique is already done during raids via flashbang grenades but flashbangs are quite dangerous which is why I didn't suggest flashbangs. Officers may carry a 9mm, a stun gun, a baton and mace already (not always all them though) .. I'm just saying they already handle multiple weapons and am just throwing out another possible option to look at which is the addition of a gun to try to wound someone rather than kill them. It's not an ideal choice though I only put it out there because it can be lightweight. Yes I am aware beanbag guns are shotguns and not carried on person. Im just wondering if there is additional scenarios they can use them in when to take it out on scene arival. Officers usually work in teams so couldn't one have one type of weapon ready and another have another? Seems to be what they already do sometimes which eliminates the time it takes to switch weapons. Hm i see. |
| Seems pretty clear cut, definetly more reason absolutely no one should be anti body cam. It both captures corruption/excessive force and also actual footage of situations that could take on different narratives due to lack of or conflicting info. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Seems pretty clear cut, definetly more reason absolutely no one should be anti body cam. It both captures corruption/excessive force and also actual footage of situations that could take on different narratives due to lack of or conflicting info. You should keep in mind though cops control the cams. Sometimes i think it may be more useful if the guns had cams that get triggered when fired. They usually point their guns way before firing so it could possibly capture a fair amound and unobstructed by their arms. |
JizzyHitler said: Seems pretty clear cut, definetly more reason absolutely no one should be anti body cam. It both captures corruption/excessive force and also actual footage of situations that could take on different narratives due to lack of or conflicting info. Shooting someone holding a knife is still excessive force. That is not how police handle people in other countries, since they are normally trained to de-escalate. |
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traed said: JizzyHitler said: Seems pretty clear cut, definetly more reason absolutely no one should be anti body cam. It both captures corruption/excessive force and also actual footage of situations that could take on different narratives due to lack of or conflicting info. You should keep in mind though cops control the cams. Sometimes i think it may be more useful if the guns had cams that get triggered when fired. They usually point their guns way before firing so it could possibly capture a fair amound and unobstructed by their arms. Body cams record a buffer of footage from before it is activated. A lot of body cams are activated when the gun is drawn from the holster (and activates all other nearby body cams in a certain distance). This is made by the company that makes the bodycams and also tasers. https://www.axon.com/products/axon-signal-sidearm Basically every agency is going to enforce bodycam usage. Plus I am pretty sure every cop wants to have the bodycam recording, as it protects them if anything, and if they're able to turn it on manually, then they will. Add these things together, and you basically have what you are asking for, but better. The only downside of bodycams is that it doesn't see what the cop sees like you said. They may technically control the cameras, but to not have the cameras recording an incident just doesn't really happen in the current year. |
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_FRB_ said: traed said: You should keep in mind though cops control the cams. Sometimes i think it may be more useful if the guns had cams that get triggered when fired. They usually point their guns way before firing so it could possibly capture a fair amound and unobstructed by their arms. Body cams record a buffer of footage from before it is activated. A lot of body cams are activated when the gun is drawn from the holster (and activates all other nearby body cams in a certain distance). This is made by the company that makes the bodycams and also tasers. https://www.axon.com/products/axon-signal-sidearm Basically every agency is going to enforce bodycam usage. Plus I am pretty sure every cop wants to have the bodycam recording, as it protects them if anything, and if they're able to turn it on manually, then they will. Add these things together, and you basically have what you are asking for, but better. The only downside of bodycams is that it doesn't see what the cop sees like you said. They may technically control the cameras, but to not have the cameras recording an incident just doesn't really happen in the current year. Yeah I know they run constantly and capture 30 seconds with no audio before being turned on. Oh I didnt know they also had ones turned on that way. I only heard of them being manually turned on and off and they sometimes tried to turn it on at misleading times to fake innocence like this time some a group of investors (iirc) had planted some cocaine then pretended to discover it. Might be better head mounted maybe? Or centre chest high up at least? Or use a moderate fisheye lense to get a wider angle in case their torso is turned? |
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