69ImNotAtroll69 said: Hyperactivy said: my guy what you are doing rn is quite literally dodging, can you not on your own construct an actual argument as to why its "objectively the worst ever"? and no it wasnt the first few words it was 3/4 of what you wrote, the rest was labeling it as an hentai... despite it not being one. "but this animation needs to go better series like (just as an example) Berserk or AOT, or any other series that has a meaningful message i.g Rokka no yuusha the future seasons" so you mad at this series because it has good animation that could have gone to other series... my guy why are you here? studios exist animation isnt as simplistic as you think, if the studio who animated this would have animated something else it wouldnt be berserk or AOT... Ugly bastard hentai but with good animation:Isekai ittara lolicon narimasu A. not hentai B. are you going to actually give me an argument, or are you going to dodge again and tell me to read other peoples arguments? |
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69ImNotAtroll69 said: FrozenSheep said: I'll just say this: The perverted stuff makes me feel extremely uncomfortable due to their age. I partially read the manga (almost caught up to where I was), so I knew what was coming, to some extend. It still made me feel extremely uncomfortable. While not trying to excuse his terrible behavior, we have to remember that this is a fantasy setting and that our "norms and standards" don't apply there. I personally think that the show would be even better if they just... had their more extreme perverted stuff happen at a later age (I'm well aware that they can't do it. It's just a general critic of it). I get that bad habits may transcend a lifetime, but it's still, like I said, extremely uncomfortable. Regardless, it's still my favorite Anime this season, right alongside Wonder Egg. Bruh! What about AOT?! Love it, but I feel like it's a bit slow right now. Rating is subject to change once we reach the climax. Still salty about my favorite girl. |
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69ImNotAtroll69 said: Hyperactivy said: A. not hentai B. are you going to actually give me an argument, or are you going to dodge again and tell me to read other peoples arguments? Unless you don't know what the (Ugly bastard) flair resemble, then you should have an idea on why i don't like it by now, is it so hard for a jobless fan to actually realize it? All what this fandom is capable of is reporting i guess. He's 34 years old, and molests children which makes me want to puke. It's trash but isn't treated as the trash should be treated. Many life-changing series deserve this amount of budget more than this trash, fanservice, self-insert, harem, power fantasy, cash grab garbage. And above all of that the fandom justifies his pedophile attitude "Unless you don't know what the (Ugly bastard) flair resemble" so you dont like the MC before the reincarnation...? ok? "All what this fandom is capable of is reporting i guess." I guess you assume I reported you... going to ignore that pathetic remark, waiting for you to use it as to why you dont want to keep arguing. "He's 34 years old, and molests children which makes me want to puke." he isnt even 34... by the standards set on these forums hes either: overall 44, mentally 44 physically 10, overall 10, theres no option thats 34 unless all you watched is the first episode... "It's trash but isn't treated as the trash should be treated." theres actual reasons for that, you may not be happy with them since they are admittidly just plot conveniences, but they exist... yet you act as if they dont. "Many life-changing series deserve this amount of budget more than this trash, fanservice, self-insert, harem, power fantasy, cash grab garbage." trash... wouldnt call it that overall, in several aspects? yeah. fanservice... lots of them out there, and yes there are some that have fanservice on loli characters, tend to avoid them but sometimes its inevitable. self-insert... ok? harem... how do you know its an harem? it only turns into an harem very late into the series to a point the anime doesnt stand a chance at reaching for now... did you like, read comments from other people and decided thats how it is without watching? power fantasy... shows you havent actually watched or heck even read the show, there are several instances where rudy cash grab... how? "And above all of that the fandom justifies his pedophile attitude" the fandom is torn apart into factions who believe it is by default not/is pedophilia, which stems due to the age+reincarnation bit, the fandom didnt reach a conclusion everyone agrees on, due to that many dont even think of it as pedophilia... let alone the fact that many dont even defend his actual sexual abuse, he has done it more than once... and I have seen more than several people who defended the series agree that hes a vile character due to that, only the trolls justify such actions... just like how some trolls only watch 1 episode, read the forums and decide exactly how the series is... just a small disclaimer, I dont expect you to actually respond with decent arguments if at all to this, if you will I will be bloody surprised, just know that whatever you use to dodge will make me laugh regardless so go for it. |
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69ImNotAtroll69 said: FrozenSheep said: Love it, but I feel like it's a bit slow right now. Rating is subject to change once we reach the climax. Still salty about my favorite girl. Ok then, all the set-up episode are done, the following few episodes of aot will show everyone how trash this show is in comparison. oh yeah a story that barely even started vs a story nearing its end, thats such a good comparison lmfao, besides the community agree, look at the ratings, im sure you follow those religiously |
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69ImNotAtroll69 said: Hyperactivy said: oh yeah a story that barely even started vs a story nearing its end, thats such a good comparison lmfao, besides the community agree, look at the ratings, im sure you follow those religiously LMFAO i don't have to follow them to distinguish the trash from the masterpiece, also, wait for a long ass rant I'm gonna be writing. you do have to actually experience them to distinguish... and based off what you said you have no idea about anything in the series other than the fanservice, ill be waiting, hoping it actually comes, if not then oh well another evade. |
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| I like going into Anime as blind as possible. I generally have a much better experience, as a watcher, when I don't know what's going to happen. Once I learn that someone will get an adaptation, I simply just stop reading it. I still get this sense of discovery since I haven't read the Manga in such a long time. --- In any case, there's no defending his actions. I'm pretty sure it's meant to be a redemption story. MC was a useless PoS in his previous life. The point of this show, aside from the fantastic fantasy world, is to watch the MC grow into a changed man. He was a shut-in garbage of society. Now, he got his first job, is actually sociable and have dreams of his own (going to University with Elf Girl). He still has terrible flaws from his previous life, obviously. |
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69ImNotAtroll69 said: Hyperactivy said: "Unless you don't know what the (Ugly bastard) flair resemble" so you dont like the MC before the reincarnation...? ok? "All what this fandom is capable of is reporting i guess." I guess you assume I reported you... going to ignore that pathetic remark, waiting for you to use it as to why you dont want to keep arguing. "He's 34 years old, and molests children which makes me want to puke." he isnt even 34... by the standards set on these forums hes either: overall 44, mentally 44 physically 10, overall 10, theres no option thats 34 unless all you watched is the first episode... "It's trash but isn't treated as the trash should be treated." theres actual reasons for that, you may not be happy with them since they are admittidly just plot conveniences, but they exist... yet you act as if they dont. "Many life-changing series deserve this amount of budget more than this trash, fanservice, self-insert, harem, power fantasy, cash grab garbage." trash... wouldnt call it that overall, in several aspects? yeah. fanservice... lots of them out there, and yes there are some that have fanservice on loli characters, tend to avoid them but sometimes its inevitable. self-insert... ok? harem... how do you know its an harem? it only turns into an harem very late into the series to a point the anime doesnt stand a chance at reaching for now... did you like, read comments from other people and decided thats how it is without watching? power fantasy... shows you havent actually watched or heck even read the show, there are several instances where rudy cash grab... how? "And above all of that the fandom justifies his pedophile attitude" the fandom is torn apart into factions who believe it is by default not/is pedophilia, which stems due to the age+reincarnation bit, the fandom didnt reach a conclusion everyone agrees on, due to that many dont even think of it as pedophilia... let alone the fact that many dont even defend his actual sexual abuse, he has done it more than once... and I have seen more than several people who defended the series agree that hes a vile character due to that, only the trolls justify such actions... just like how some trolls only watch 1 episode, read the forums and decide exactly how the series is... just a small disclaimer, I dont expect you to actually respond with decent arguments if at all to this, if you will I will be bloody surprised, just know that whatever you use to dodge will make me laugh regardless so go for it. I have problems with him before and after being Isekai'd, because he was jacking off to child porn, and after being Isekai'd he started to become worse and started to sexually assault them without restrictions due to plot convenient. What i meant by the ugly bastard flair is that his age is 44 yet he sexually harasses 15 yrs old wither before or after being Isekai'd His age is either 10 or 44 or 34; some people say that he was isolated for 10 yrs from the outside world; thus we shouldn't add these ten years, whatever it was, he's an ugly bastard before and after being Isekai'd. "I have problems with him before and after being Isekai'd, because he was jacking off to child porn, and after being Isekai'd he started to become worse and started to sexually assault them without restrictions due to plot convenient." thats fine, hes an actual character he isnt flawless and has bad sides, not to say hes mostly good, no one is defending his sexual abuse either, at least excluding trolls. However, hes still an actual character disgusting or not, not giving him a bad side would be incredibly poor writing, he would just end up a generic isekai MC. "What i meant by the ugly bastard flair is that his age is 44 yet he sexually harasses 15 yrs old wither before or after being Isekai'd His age is either 10 or 44 or 34; some people say that he was isolated for 10 yrs from the outside world; thus we shouldn't add these ten years, whatever it was, he's an ugly bastard before and after being Isekai'd." few things here, first of all I kinda guessed you were referring to him before reincarnation, you are however starting to show incredibly inconsistencies showing you didnt actually understand what you watched in the first episode, assuming you even did so ill clear some things out before responding to this in full. his age is either 10, 44 or both during the latest episodes, 34 is only for the starting episode for his mental age and ends at that point, he was isolated for more than 10 years although I couldnt tell you exactly how many years, the reason people use that as an argument tho is because during said time he had no interaction with society, he gained knowledge but didnt mature, I dont think the argument is worth much but thats that and this is this. "yet he sexually harasses 15 yrs old wither before or after being Isekai'd" he hasnt done anything before being reincarnated, in some versions of the story in I believe the WN or LN he did, but we arent talking about those right now, correct? now for the rest: you having a problem with the character is fine, it doesnt mean the writing is poor, it just means you disilke the main characters actions. he didnt sexually assault characters with no restrictions, let alone the fact every time he actually did he got beat up, it doesnt excuse his actions, its just correcting your misunderstanding. so much for a whole rant, if theres more later on ill respond, all I can say is... you should watch it before actually deciding..? I guess? |
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| I'm just going to bring Game of Thrones for a hot minute. In GoT, we saw some messed up actions from plenty of characters. Attempted child murder, incest, murder, etc. It still didn't change the fact that a lot of people loved the show or the characters (up until the last few seasons anyway). Just because someone does disgusting things does not make the show garbage. It doesn't mean that we're defending their behavior. It just means we can watch how a character evolve and, ultimately, decide if it's a character we appreciate or not. The writing and the animation will ultimately decide if it's a good show or not. If you don't appreciate it, then it's fine. Others do appreciate it. It doesn't make it overrated. It just means it's not for you. |
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| Ya it is kinda off-putting some of the things involving him, not that I'm gonna drop it or anything. It feels somewhat of an Araragi situation where there's things with the MC that makes me think "aight Japan that's kinda fucked ngl". |
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skysurf said: \HigekiTragedy said: If you've read Lolicon for example you're not supposed to "understand" or "root" on the MC. When you read Heart of Darkness you're not supposed to cheer the MC as he went down the insanity rabbit hole. If you read crime and punishment you're not supposed to think "Man I want to be like the MC!" Is this by chance your very first series you've know with shitty protagonist? Not something done for a joke like what cheap mainstream media did but something that REALLY have shitty protag with shitty personality? Then welcome to the new page of your literature horizon. Get used to it. ah yes, here we can see the protagonist fighting his inner demons as he goes down inside the insanity rabbit hole while groping a sleeping child and wondering intellectually complex questions about the future breast size of his victim in his creepy 40+ years old mental voice, everything being portrayed in a serious dark atmosphere and TOTALLY NOT as the generic "tsundere hits pervert" cheap joke everyone knows in anime: Truly the horizons of literature have been expanded!  .[/i] I believe you utterly failed to understand my point OR any of those novel I mention for that matters My point is flawed MC is not a problem. A lot of great or famous literature featured a flawed MC or deuteragonist with questionable character but still deliver a great story. From classics like Machbeth, works by Dostoevsky, recent series like broken empire trilogy to even popular Light Novel like Youjo Senki or Overlord. To name few Japanese seinen manga we got stuff like Hommunculus, I was a trash, Onanie-master Kurosawa, Aku no Hana or works by Kazuto Okada like Ibitsu or Sundome. ALL of them have gut wretching protag that doesn't lose to Rudeus but most of them are great in their own way. That is to say the protag managed to actually deliver what the author wanted to deliver to them by the end of the stories. The problem is that people are too used to the "sterile" environment of mainstream media where the author avoid making the hero too controversial in order to cater to the easily triggered mob. Living in this kind of "sterile" literature environment people tend to react harshly to anything beyond their comfort zone. The worst thing is that people tend to wish for conclusion that are "acceptable" for them, e.g Evil should be punished, or happy ending. Sometimes this ruin a series ending such as the finale of Broken empire which feels really forced for me which goes against the villainous tone of the MC from previous 2 books, or the finale of Yuuki Yuuna which.. again feels really forced and went against everything the shows stood for. While going against the popular wish doesn't makes you good but some author actually did that. Dostoevsky works always ends with the evil protag get away with his crime physically but he opt instead to show how crime torment the mind. That is basically his theme. Mushoku Tensei took different route, this series shows that how utter bottom of the bottom human trash can actually be happy if he worked hard and stayed on the correct path. To deliver this narrative the author made him to be the lowest of the low, scummiest man you can imagine. Someone who even bottom rung of society can look down into. For me at the very least any kind of moral crusade is just resistance for someone to expand their horizon. I know because once upon a time I was there. The more you get used to this the less you nitpick and the more you look at the big picture. |
| "You're a virgin" "No, you're a virgin" "No, you're a virgin" Lmao, this thread is amazing |
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| Even with all of the impassioned bleating of those supposedly shocked, outraged, and so on by the minor comedic scenes of a sexual nature, I still think they are as funny as can be. The purity of those who have marched forth from their Ivory Towers to educate the unwashed masses and show the ignorant the one true way is truly breathtaking. I continue to think the series is very funny, including the depantsing scene. It's truly sad that the Lords in the Tower have filled their acolytes with hatred of comedy and a genuine fear of themselves in general and females in particular. In the long run this sterile philosophy will go by the wayside and be mocked. To wrap up, Rudy is my hero, I'd do exactly the same thing, and maybe more if I thought I could get away with it. I sort of wish his mother would go swimming and take him to the changing room with her and the other ladies. That would have been fanservice galore, and the squeals of the shocked would have been a fine symphony to my ears. |
NoviSun said: Even with all of the impassioned bleating of those supposedly shocked, outraged, and so on by the minor comedic scenes of a sexual nature, I still think they are as funny as can be. The purity of those who have marched forth from their Ivory Towers to educate the unwashed masses and show the ignorant the one true way is truly breathtaking. I continue to think the series is very funny, including the depantsing scene. It's truly sad that the Lords in the Tower have filled their acolytes with hatred of comedy and a genuine fear of themselves in general and females in particular. In the long run this sterile philosophy will go by the wayside and be mocked. To wrap up, Rudy is my hero, I'd do exactly the same thing, and maybe more if I thought I could get away with it. I sort of wish his mother would go swimming and take him to the changing room with her and the other ladies. That would have been fanservice galore, and the squeals of the shocked would have been a fine symphony to my ears. I can not agree enough with this sentiment. |
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| I have read some of the posts on this thread.And many people here defend Rudeus, arguing that the events take place in the Middle Ages. But why does everyone forget that Rudeus is not from the Middle Ages. He is from our time. Why is he just accepting new rules of the game? Once in a time that has a critical difference in morality and ethics from his era, he feels great. We are not shown a very important conflict between a person from the future and a person from the past. You can say that he had a psychological trauma, and his psychological settings were knocked down. Therefore, it is easier for him to adapt. This is a fair point. But there is one caveat. Looking at Rudeus. Can you say that he is a downtrodden and withdrawn person who has experienced bullying in his past life? After one single episode with Roxy, he is "healed" of a psychological wound. From a wound that has been inflicted on him for decades. In real life, people need years of work with a psychologist to get rid of such wounds. And Rudeus in one episode completely gets rid of all the consequences associated with this. Rudeus becomes very sociable, emotional and can perfectly feel the atmosphere between people. Where did all these qualities come from in a person who had spread rot for years? He literally isolated himself from everyone. How was he able to adapt so quickly? This is why the OP believes that Rudeus is a sociopath. He has all the qualities of a normal person, but at the same time does not have any moral brakes. This is literally a real sociopath. The author tried to explain this by his persecution. But the person who survived the bullying could not acquire all these skills without proper psychological help. He didn't just get them. He's pretty damn good at them. This whole conflict around Rudeus' behavior happened due to the fact that the author could not correctly spell out the character. We have an absolutely normal person to whom the author artificially gave the qualities of a sick ba***rd. He couldn't come up with a normal backstory for him. And I just limited myself to a story about bullying. But the bullying story doesn't fit this character. She cannot explain its features. |
Xopgoblin45 said: I love Rufus, and wish him a long an successful career. If I was in his shoes, I'd be doing exactly the same thing. I don't have any weird sexual hang ups, like so many 'people' around here. I guess this is the age of tenderness, except for Fat Bastards, those guys can apparently be exterminated on sight. Considering that most readers of this forum don't miss many meals, I have to chalk a lot of this hatred up to pure self loathing.I have read some of the posts on this thread.And many people here defend Rudeus, arguing that the events take place in the Middle Ages. But why does everyone forget that Rudeus is not from the Middle Ages. He is from our time. Why is he just accepting new rules of the game? Once in a time that has a critical difference in morality and ethics from his era, he feels great. We are not shown a very important conflict between a person from the future and a person from the past. You can say that he had a psychological trauma, and his psychological settings were knocked down. Therefore, it is easier for him to adapt. This is a fair point. But there is one caveat. Looking at Rudeus. Can you say that he is a downtrodden and withdrawn person who has experienced bullying in his past life? After one single episode with Roxy, he is "healed" of a psychological wound. From a wound that has been inflicted on him for decades. In real life, people need years of work with a psychologist to get rid of such wounds. And Rudeus in one episode completely gets rid of all the consequences associated with this. Rudeus becomes very sociable, emotional and can perfectly feel the atmosphere between people. Where did all these qualities come from in a person who had spread rot for years? He literally isolated himself from everyone. How was he able to adapt so quickly? This is why the OP believes that Rudeus is a sociopath. He has all the qualities of a normal person, but at the same time does not have any moral brakes. This is literally a real sociopath. The author tried to explain this by his persecution. But the person who survived the bullying could not acquire all these skills without proper psychological help. He didn't just get them. He's pretty damn good at them. This whole conflict around Rudeus' behavior happened due to the fact that the author could not correctly spell out the character. We have an absolutely normal person to whom the author artificially gave the qualities of a sick ba***rd. He couldn't come up with a normal backstory for him. And I just limited myself to a story about bullying. But the bullying story doesn't fit this character. She cannot explain its features. |
| Which is why I merely ask this to you "How can you tell when you haven't even seen 1/10th of the whole series yet?" Or to put it more directly: "Read it first before criticizing it, otherwise you'll ask obvious question that I need to answer with long ass useless answer". You paint your position on Roodeus' psychological problems in a very cool way. But to do so, you use moments from the ranobe. And in the aftermath, you just point out that it's worth going to read the ranobe. But that's a little unfair. It's obvious that even if the author was able to get his point across more accurately in the ranobe, the anime has a problem with that. And one should separate the evaluation of an anime from an ranobe. I apologize if in the argument you've already moved on to discussing the plot of the ranobe. And another question. You say he doesn't get rid of all the problems after one episode. And that's correct. You could say that as such he didn't have any problems. Emotionally, Rudeus doesn't even have a hint of a hammering. He is at ease with everyone in his small starting environment. And his agoraphobia seems farfetched. It all looks very strange. It's like the author is just missing some of the implications of his backstory. And he also misses the psychological consequences. Selectively leaving out only what he needs for the story. It makes the character look like a chimera. |
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