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I didn't care for it when I was young. I am 23 now and it's really pissing me off. In nearly every episode the male characters get punched, kicked etc for the dumbest reason, by both the male and female characters.

Even if it's warranted, shouldn't this be a bad lesson to teach the viewers as it obviously says it's OK to hit boys for whatever you want.

I just watched Fruit Basket 2019 till ep 3 when Kagura starts beating the crap out of Kyo but he just stands there and doesn't hit back.

I had enough of it, this is how I turned into Yaoi and Shounen Ai.
 
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Yeah I agree, it's really annoying.
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yeah that does piss me off, whenever I see this I wanna see the guy just punt the girl. Still, though, this trend extends beyond just shoujo into all kinds of genres (especially in shounen).

also there are no shortages of violent tsunderes in BL idk what ur reading
 
 
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belka1213 said:
yeah that does piss me off, whenever I see this I wanna see the guy just punt the girl. Still, though, this trend extends beyond just shoujo into all kinds of genres (especially in shounen).

also there are no shortages of violent tsunderes in BL idk what ur reading


In BL its different as its two guys, they hit each other. And I can't remember any violent tsunderes in BL. What BL are you talking about?

But in straight romance it's s gender thing.
 
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Is this something that disproportionately occurs in shoujo anime/manga? I don't watch much shoujo, but I sure see that trope played out a lot. I really doubt it's significantly overrepresented in shoujo than it is in non-shoujo.
 
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Is this something that disproportionately occurs in shoujo anime/manga? I don't watch much shoujo, but I sure see that trope played out a lot. I really doubt it's a significantly overrepresented in shoujo than it is in non-shoujo.


Yes, it happens all the time in Shoujo.

It's less prevelant in other genres outside of the romance genre as thee are shows where male hits back
 
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It's annoying, cringy and not funny.

But I think it happens a lot more in shounen romcoms, because from the 20 or something shoujo anime I watched most of them don't really have that kinda thing.
 
 
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It's annoying, cringy and not funny.

But I think it happens a lot more in shounen romcoms, because from the 20 or something shoujo anime I watched most of them don't really have that kinda thing.


It happens all the time in Fruits Basket and Toradora, both popular shoujos
 
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it is annoying but that is why I take breaks. seeing it after a long time actually makes me smile
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I don't like this trope either but I don't think I've been seeing it in shoujo actually. It happens more often in shounen or some cheap rom coms.
 
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Mark_Jason said:
Momokiki20 said:
It's annoying, cringy and not funny.

But I think it happens a lot more in shounen romcoms, because from the 20 or something shoujo anime I watched most of them don't really have that kinda thing.


It happens all the time in Fruits Basket and Toradora, both popular shoujos



Toradora is actually not a shoujo. I think it's a romcom
 
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I don't like this trope either but I don't think I've been seeing it in shoujo actually. It happens more often in shounen or some cheap rom coms.


It happens in most romantic comedies. Less in dramas.
 
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It happens all the time in Fruits Basket and Toradora, both popular shoujos



Toradora is actually not a shoujo. I think it's a romcom


It happens in most romantic comedies
 
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Mark_Jason said:
Momokiki20 said:
It's annoying, cringy and not funny.

But I think it happens a lot more in shounen romcoms, because from the 20 or something shoujo anime I watched most of them don't really have that kinda thing.


It happens all the time in Fruits Basket and Toradora, both popular shoujos


Toradora isn't considered a shoujo; it's the magazine they are published in that makes them that. So Natsume Yuujinchou, which isn't romance, is also shoujo. I think thats why I disagreed with you on one part.
 
 
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It happens all the time in Fruits Basket and Toradora, both popular shoujos


Toradora isn't considered a shoujo; it's the magazine they are published in that makes them that. So Natsume Yuujinchou, which isn't romance, is also shoujo. I think thats why I disagreed with you on one part.


I worded my question wrong.

It happens in romantic comedies instead, but romance and shoujo are used interchangeably.
 
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Mark_Jason said:
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yeah that does piss me off, whenever I see this I wanna see the guy just punt the girl. Still, though, this trend extends beyond just shoujo into all kinds of genres (especially in shounen).

also there are no shortages of violent tsunderes in BL idk what ur reading


In BL its different as its two guys, they hit each other. And I can't remember any violent tsunderes in BL. What BL are you talking about?

But in straight romance it's s gender thing.


I don't keep track of manga so thats the best we have rn
 
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in FB's case, it does explain later on Kyo's reasoning for why he doesn't do anything about it (as well as why Kaguya does what she does)



but otherwise, yea that's honestly one of the worst tropes tbh, most of the time can't really see the entertainment in that kinda stuff. It's especially worse in cases like High Score Girl or Isuca where the main pairing have barely anything going for them anyways, just makes the abuse look more ridiculous
 
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belka1213 said:
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In BL its different as its two guys, they hit each other. And I can't remember any violent tsunderes in BL. What BL are you talking about?

But in straight romance it's s gender thing.


I don't keep track of manga so thats the best we have rn


He's not hitting him so it's different.
Guys hit each other rarely in BL like they do in romantic anime.
 
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yeah it's very annoying we should definitely have a new tag called "slapstick humor" so that i can avoid watching them except if the anime is really incredible
 
 
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in FB's case, it does explain later on Kyo's reasoning for why he doesn't do anything about it (as well as why Kaguya does what she does)



but otherwise, yea that's honestly one of the worst tropes tbh, most of the time can't really see the entertainment in that kinda stuff. It's especially worse in cases like High Score Girl or Isuca where the main pairing have barely anything going for them anyways, just makes the abuse look more ridiculous



You can't excuse violence though. It doesn't make it any better in my opinion.

This is extremely disappointing for FB, because I was excited for it and liked Kyo a lot.

Shame. What a way to ruin an anime.
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yeah it's very annoying we should definitely have a new tag called "slapstick humor" so that i can avoid watching them except if the anime is really incredible
Doc21 said:
yeah it's very annoying we should definitely have a new tag called "slapstick humor" so that i can avoid watching them except if the anime is really incredible


Excellent idea, I would agree to it.
 
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I tolerate it in older anime. Probably why I prefer older anime so much more. I forgive a lot of "cliches" in older anime because at the time they were made they weren't necessarily cliche. New anime that keeps making the same jokes from 20 years ago over and over again definitely put me off.
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I tolerate it in older anime. Probably why I prefer older anime so much more. I forgive a lot of "cliches" in older anime because at the time they were made they weren't necessarily cliche. New anime that keeps making the same jokes from 20 years ago over and over again definitely put me off.


Yeah, take Hana Yori Dango for example. I know people who didn't watch it or read it because the female gets hit several times by the male lead and gets beat up and nearly raped by other guys.

This could never happen in today's romantic or shoujo anime for example.
I thought it was amazing how they handled it.
 
 
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Mark_Jason said:
belka1213 said:


I don't keep track of manga so thats the best we have rn


He's not hitting him so it's different.
Guys hit each other rarely in BL like they do in romantic anime.


ok this


ya i know that ur right in this but I need to validate myself a little bit ok
 
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no in fact it turns me on
i wasnt interested in these anime until now
 
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belka1213 said:
Mark_Jason said:


He's not hitting him so it's different.
Guys hit each other rarely in BL like they do in romantic anime.


ok this


ya i know that ur right in this but I need to validate myself a little bit ok
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no in fact it turns me on
i wasnt interested in these anime until now
belka1213 said:
Mark_Jason said:


He's not hitting him so it's different.
Guys hit each other rarely in BL like they do in romantic anime.


ok this


ya i know that ur right in this but I need to validate myself a little bit ok
belka1213 said:
Mark_Jason said:


He's not hitting him so it's different.
Guys hit each other rarely in BL like they do in romantic anime.


ok this


ya i know that ur right in this but I need to validate myself a little bit ok


Haha, I like that. Sure, do whatever you need to validate yourself babe.
 
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no in fact it turns me on
i wasnt interested in these anime until now


Go ahead.

I get turned on by men controlling and using girls and boys too.
 
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I vaguely remember a case where the usual scene happens, but the guy has a very hard face or something like that and doesn't feel anything, and the girl hurts her hand instead. But I can't place the anime. Anyone?

 
 
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in FB's case, it does explain later on Kyo's reasoning for why he doesn't do anything about it (as well as why Kaguya does what she does)



but otherwise, yea that's honestly one of the worst tropes tbh, most of the time can't really see the entertainment in that kinda stuff. It's especially worse in cases like High Score Girl or Isuca where the main pairing have barely anything going for them anyways, just makes the abuse look more ridiculous



You can't excuse violence though. It doesn't make it any better in my opinion.

This is extremely disappointing for FB, because I was excited for it and liked Kyo a lot.

Shame. What a way to ruin an anime.

eh, having at least some sort of proper justification for why characters behave the way they do is a lot better than all those characters who just brainlessly wack the dude every time

in Kagura's case,




so yes, you can't excuse violence, but a character who's violence is properly explained is far better than a character who's violence is just used for "shits and giggles" (at least with intense violence, not like Chuunibyou levels violence)
 
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I do think it's refreshing when the boy hits the girl back. There are several series that have this.
 
 
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It's a trope I'm a bit tired of, but it doesn't bother me any more than other anime tropes.

Also shoujo ≠ romance. There are shoujo stories with no romance, and romance stories that aren't shoujo. They aren't interchangeable terms.
 
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Yeah I dislike it too, the girls then blush or something, cringe


 
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In Shoujo (Young Female Demographic) isn't that used. It's usually in the Romance for Shounen (Young Male Demographic) were that trope is more used.

In Shoujo the guy been kinda mean or rude is the Trope that is most associated with this Demographic.

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Personally with none of those tropes mentioned for Shounen and Shoujo Romance. I enjoy them to be honest.
 
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I generally don't mind it if it isn't overused or if the female character isn't too squeaky. It can get annoying sometimes when it is overused. If I compared anime cliches and tropes to things I hate or disapprove of in real life, I wouldn't be watching anime.
 
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I do think it's refreshing when the boy hits the girl back. There are several series that have this.


Excellent, give me the names please.
 
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You can't excuse violence though. It doesn't make it any better in my opinion.

This is extremely disappointing for FB, because I was excited for it and liked Kyo a lot.

Shame. What a way to ruin an anime.

eh, having at least some sort of proper justification for why characters behave the way they do is a lot better than all those characters who just brainlessly wack the dude every time

in Kagura's case,




so yes, you can't excuse violence, but a character who's violence is properly explained is far better than a character who's violence is just used for "shits and giggles" (at least with intense violence, not like Chuunibyou levels violence)


EH,not sure. I think that reasoning is really stupid. Just an excuse to promote violence against boys so little girls can laugh.

Fruits Basket was made for little girls anyway, so what can I say?

It's cringy at its best, and Kagura deserves to be slapped.
 
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I didn't care for it when I was young. I am 23 now and it's really pissing me off. In nearly every episode the male characters get punched, kicked etc for the dumbest reason, by both the male and female characters.

Even if it's warranted, shouldn't this be a bad lesson to teach the viewers as it obviously says it's OK to hit boys for whatever you want.

I just watched Fruit Basket 2019 till ep 3 when Kagura starts beating the crap out of Kyo but he just stands there and doesn't hit back.

I had enough of it, this is how I turned into Yaoi and Shounen Ai.

Glad they only have rape and absolutely toxic boyfriends in a lot, or at least too many, BLs. Welp.
 
 
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I didn't care for it when I was young. I am 23 now and it's really pissing me off. In nearly every episode the male characters get punched, kicked etc for the dumbest reason, by both the male and female characters.

Even if it's warranted, shouldn't this be a bad lesson to teach the viewers as it obviously says it's OK to hit boys for whatever you want.

I just watched Fruit Basket 2019 till ep 3 when Kagura starts beating the crap out of Kyo but he just stands there and doesn't hit back.

I had enough of it, this is how I turned into Yaoi and Shounen Ai.

Glad they only have rape and absolutely toxic boyfriends in a lot, or at least too many, BLs. Welp.


That's true, it's represented the same way as violence is in romantic straight anime.

And there are tons of toxic boys and girls in shoujo, Seinen, and romance anime.

But physical violence bothers me more tbh.
 
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yeah it is really beyond cringey ngl and its very oversaturated too

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Shounen AI isn't much better either what with all the rampant sexual assault and overly-possessive behavior. It's sad because the genre has stories with genuine heart but most people are understandably put off by it's rapey reputation.
 
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A bad lesson ? I wouldn't say so, If you take lessons from jokes in anime then you're doin something wrong, The comedy is amped to make it more funny, So basically instead of someone screaming or arguing with someone why doesn't he just falcon punch him to the sky ?, This isn't a formula for a funny joke but it's not like they're even attempting a useful moral in the first place, It's just a joke.

If you take this as "abusive" then you probably take Batman as a terrorist and Patrick as a mentally ill individual whom needs medical help
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Shounen AI isn't much better either what with all the rampant sexual assault and overly-possessive behavior. It's sad because the genre has stories with genuine heart but most people are understandably put off by it's rapey reputation.


It is sad. Some stories are amazing and a welcome departure from typical cliched romance when you want something different. Themes can range from sweet to dark.
 
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You know, people keep complaining about sexualized lolis, retrograde representation of women or gays, rapeshit, sexual or degrading jokes, etc... And I must say I don't have these problems.

'Cuz I watch 80s shows. AH!

Screw modern anime. I'm currently watching and reading Maison Ikkoku and it destroys every crappy modern romcom I endured before. Also Japan felt more modern in the 80s than 2020s, great...
 
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A bad lesson ? I wouldn't say so, If you take lessons from jokes in anime then you're doin something wrong, The comedy is amped to make it more funny, So basically instead of someone screaming or arguing with someone why doesn't he just falcon punch him to the sky ?, This isn't a formula for a funny joke but it's not like they're even attempting a useful moral in the first place, It's just a joke.

If you take this as "abusive" then you probably take Batman as a terrorist and Patrick as a mentally ill individual whom needs medical help


That's what feminists and some people say when guys hit girls for a joke in anime, so what is your point?

It's sexism teaching girls and boys it's OK to hit men because they don't care.

No, I don't see Batman as a terrorist. Now that was a strange comment.
 
 
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Shounen AI isn't much better either what with all the rampant sexual assault and overly-possessive behavior. It's sad because the genre has stories with genuine heart but most people are understandably put off by it's rapey reputation.


That's true, they are both wrong, but with Shounen Ai, there is no sexism at least unlike in straight romance, and it's between two guys so the dynamics are different.

So I prefer it over cringy romance, comedy or shoujo and seinen. There is a different issue I see with shounen ai and especially yaoi.
 
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Mark_Jason said:
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A bad lesson ? I wouldn't say so, If you take lessons from jokes in anime then you're doin something wrong, The comedy is amped to make it more funny, So basically instead of someone screaming or arguing with someone why doesn't he just falcon punch him to the sky ?, This isn't a formula for a funny joke but it's not like they're even attempting a useful moral in the first place, It's just a joke.

If you take this as "abusive" then you probably take Batman as a terrorist and Patrick as a mentally ill individual whom needs medical help



That's what feminists and some people say when guys hit girls for a joke in anime, so what is your point?

It's sexism teaching girls and boys it's OK to hit men because they don't care.

No, I don't see Batman as a terrorist. Now that was a strange comment.

One, Not because feminists say it that means it's right, I also think that many of them take these jokes way too seriously like it's some kind of movement for abusing women, It seems like you're trying to fight fire with fire, So basically I disagree with both you and many of the feminists since it doesn't matter who says it, What matters is the context of the "abuse"

Two, Bruh, Why are you trying to find lessons in anime jokes !? Not because it's in the show and the good guy does it means that you should too, Not everything is lesson.
The idea of everything should be morally right works in children stories where the knight saves the princess but in stuff like comedy, It's extremism IS one of the reason it's funny, And most people who don't take anime shows like moral guidebooks won't think "Oh the guy hit his friend in this joke, I'll go punch my friend in the face"

Also, I said the Batman part just to comment on you looking too deep into things and turning a lighthearted joke that most people will forget to some sexist abusive attack.
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Mark_Jason said:
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A bad lesson ? I wouldn't say so, If you take lessons from jokes in anime then you're doin something wrong, The comedy is amped to make it more funny, So basically instead of someone screaming or arguing with someone why doesn't he just falcon punch him to the sky ?, This isn't a formula for a funny joke but it's not like they're even attempting a useful moral in the first place, It's just a joke.

If you take this as "abusive" then you probably take Batman as a terrorist and Patrick as a mentally ill individual whom needs medical help


That's what feminists and some people say when guys hit girls for a joke in anime, so what is your point?

It's sexism teaching girls and boys it's OK to hit men because they don't care.

No, I don't see Batman as a terrorist. Now that was a strange comment.

Heh I knew "le evil feminazis" was the actual subject from the beginning.

I'm here since 5 years and it's like the 100th thread like yours I read, and I didn't read a single one made by a "feminist" to complain about the opposite.

Watch better shows?

 
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Of course. This is the reason why I hate Toradora and Shigatsu wa kimi no uso (not a shoujo but the point is still there).
 
 
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That's what feminists and some people say when guys hit girls for a joke in anime, so what is your point?

It's sexism teaching girls and boys it's OK to hit men because they don't care.

No, I don't see Batman as a terrorist. Now that was a strange comment.

Heh I knew "le evil feminazis" was the actual subject from the beginning.

I'm here since 5 years and it's like the 100th thread like yours I read, and I didn't read a single one made by a "feminist" to complain about the opposite.

Watch better shows?



No, feminism wasn't the foundation of this topic, I am just saying they are the ones who complain about using violence on females as a humour.

Many other people wouldn't watch a guy hit a girl as a humour as well, but they don't mind girls abusing boys.

It's sexism ingrained in the society.
 
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Mark_Jason said:
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Heh I knew "le evil feminazis" was the actual subject from the beginning.

I'm here since 5 years and it's like the 100th thread like yours I read, and I didn't read a single one made by a "feminist" to complain about the opposite.

Watch better shows?



No, feminism wasn't the foundation of this topic, I am just saying they are the ones who complain about using violence on females as a humour.

Many other people wouldn't watch a guy hit a girl as a humour as well, but they don't mind girls abusing boys.

It's sexism ingrained in the society.


Have them watch Barakamon then (lovely anime, by the way), where the MC kicks a little girl and an old man. Equal abuse to all, no sexism or ageism!
 
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