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Shotacons are just pedophiles. change my mind


Lemme change the title.


Shotacons and lolicons in ANIME itself, not the fans.

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Huh ?

How in hell does that even work.
 
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I am a lolicon and to a lesser extent a shotacon.

This anime has a female shotacon: (indigo hair top left)

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i mean obviously.. ?doesn't matter the gender, a minor is a minor
 
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there is a double standard alright about shotacons can get away with more stuff than a lolicon could.

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Again with this post? What do you even get out of this? Seriously I swear to god, OP really thought while writing this post "Hehe time to get 200 replies and a whole lotta attention".

And of course, the people of MAL will gladly waste their time on threads like these.

People who can't differentiate between drawings and reality, disgusting. You wanna know what's more disgusting? Attention seekers who're constantly bringing up the same topic over and over again to garner attention. "Change my mind", said OP.
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By definition, yeah. You can’t dispute fact.
 
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No doubt some paedophiles will enjoy Shota/Loli, however, to say that ALL people who like Shota and Loli are paedophiles is quite honestly a ludicrous statement; on the basis that drawings of big-eyed, disproportionate characters who're regarded as underage in a fictional, animated show are not real entities, nor even resemble real people in the slightest.
Anime characters not resembling real people is what makes them either MORE or LESS attractive than real people to a lot of people. An example would be that a straight man might weirdly have a sexual attraction to a male Anime character, but, would never, ever be attracted to men in real life-- the difference being that whilst men in real life and men in Anime share a gender, they're ultimately different on a design level, which also translates that whilst underage characters in Anime and underage people in reality both share the trait of being underage in their respective worlds, they're not in any way related on a physical or mental basis.
 
 
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Olde-Jo said:
No doubt some paedophiles will enjoy Shota/Loli, however, to say that ALL people who like Shota and Loli are paedophiles is quite honestly a ludicrous statement; on the basis that drawings of big-eyed, disproportionate characters who're regarded as underage in a fictional, animated show are not real entities, nor even resemble real people in the slightest.
Anime characters not resembling real people is what makes them either MORE or LESS attractive than real people to a lot of people. An example would be that a straight man might weirdly have a sexual attraction to a male Anime character, but, would never, ever be attracted to men in real life-- the difference being that whilst men in real life and men in Anime share a gender, they're ultimately different on a design level, which also translates that whilst underage characters in Anime and underage people in reality both share the trait of being underage in their respective worlds, they're not in any way related on a physical or mental basis.



i think i worded this wrong, shotacons IN the anime, not in real life
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And furries want to fuck real animals, violent media makes kids violent, etc. ...Solid logic there....
 
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@lajz

Ahh, yes, the wording of your thread lead me to believe you were speaking about reality.

In the case that Shotacons in Anime are paedophiles, I agree entirely. After all, they are adults being attracted to children. Although, why is your thread specifically targeting Shotacons? Lolicons are a thing as well, which is identical in the sense of it being an adult attracted to a child (in the world the Anime is based in.)
 
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yes they are, why shouldn't they be? you really have to be brainwashed to think that they are not pedophiles but lolicons are
ofc talking about characters in anime, not real people
 
Jan 13, 11:10 AM
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These are as icky as lolicons. Yes, talking about real people too. Don't come to me with your excuses.
 
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@_Maneki-Neko_

Somebody who both: ships underage characters, THEN states that both Lolicons and Shotacons are "icky", is living by the laws of contradictions.
 
 
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I mean, yeah. That's true. You're not really saying anything groundbreaking here.
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NUUUU WE MUST PROTECT MUH CHILDREN

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wait why are u forgetting about lolicons why does it only have to be shotacons. do shotas look more like kids or sosmething, because tbh they all do.




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I love Loli, shota, schoolgirl etc
I enjoy watching hentai of categories.
Stop comparing real life kiddos to drawing. Trying to protect drawings ? Gtfo and go help the children round the world or organisations that help with trafficked, raped or abused children. Yet yall be sitting there on your phones protesting against Loli (drawings) acting like your contributing to society. Go help a real child in need than some drawings. I love watching Loli and shota hentai, do I enjoy it ? Fuck yea.

You're wasting your time stating something that should be blatantly obvious. People who make this claim don't operate on logic. I should know...I've made this argument multiple times on these threads and it always falls on deaf ears, so to speak...
 
 
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FanofAction said:
And furries want to fuck real animals, violent media makes kids violent, etc. ...Solid logic there....

And then they say that you are comparing apples to oranges and the cycle repeats itself again.
 
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SilentVinyl said:
FanofAction said:
And furries want to fuck real animals, violent media makes kids violent, etc. ...Solid logic there....

And then they say that you are comparing apples to oranges and the cycle repeats itself again.

Of course they do...People will to whatever mental gymnastics they need to prove that they're right...
 
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@_Maneki-Neko_

Somebody who both: ships underage characters, THEN states that both Lolicons and Shotacons are "icky", is living by the laws of contradictions.

Maybe they can differentiate between a character, who's like 10 and another, who's like 17, but I dunno... seems to be the same for some people, especially to amis.
 
 
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@_Maneki-Neko_

14 was the youngest character I found you shipping. Answer me this question: Would you ship real 14 year olds in reality? I would adore to hear your answer. If not, then why would you ship 14 year old Anime characters?
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@lajz

Ahh, yes, the wording of your thread lead me to believe you were speaking about reality.

In the case that Shotacons in Anime are paedophiles, I agree entirely. After all, they are adults being attracted to children. Although, why is your thread specifically targeting Shotacons? Lolicons are a thing as well, which is identical in the sense of it being an adult attracted to a child (in the world the Anime is based in.)




never heard of a lolicon till now, that's why. actually never heard of shatocans until recently. then i did some research and found out there not as shat on as lolicons (which i also did some research on)
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14 was the youngest character I found you shipping. Answer me this question: Would you ship real 14 year olds in reality? I would adore to hear your answer. If not, then why would you ship 14 year old Anime characters?

Who? Homura and Madoka? Okay I give you that, but I'd never want to see lewd art of them, that's the difference there. Lolicons and shotacons lewd them and not only think "they got a good and interesting relationship / dynamics."
 
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@_Maneki-Neko_

"Lewd" art is besides the point. The point is that you're shipping underage characters. If somebody said to you that they're shipping two real 14 year old children, but, wasn't interested in seeing anything sexual happen between those 14 year olds, would you consider it paedophilic? Of course you would.

You're backing yourself into a corner with no way out. You're essentially agreeing that people shipping/being attracted to young Anime characters is irrelevant (as you're doing it yourself, therefore, agreeing that it is okay), but, you're also saying that it is disgusting if it is real children being involved instead of fictional ones, this destroys your entire argument about Lolicons/Shotacons being attracted to real children, as you have just demonstrated that you're a Lolicon yourself who's not attracted to real children.

Better luck next time. I'd avoid controversial topics from now on, as you clearly don't grasp who YOU, YOURSELF is, never mind being educated enough to make a solid statement.
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I noticed in threads like this that asking for any kind of empirical grounding for the paedophilia claim never gets me anywhere other than the speaker's vaguely defined notion of "common sense". "Art imitates life" they say, and it is totally not a huge leap to go from there to "there exists a 1:1 correspondance in the way anime portrays its characters vs. persons in actuality" Clearly, no kind of fetishism can exist exclusive to this form of medium. Everything carries over. After all, anime perfectly mirrors reality in every aspect right? Sigh..

I've grown tired of arguing this point to the point where I just wanna dig up my old posts and paste them verbatim honestly. Even if I were to grant that absolutely everything I'm saying is wrong and liking shōta/loli indeed means you're afflicted with paedophilia, what difference does this make by itself? If there are harmless avenues by which this affliction can be ameliorated, without adverse effects in regards to the general perception to child molestation (which has not been demonstrated by studies from what I've gathered), then where's the problem?
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I mean, yeah? Both lolicons and shotacons are pedophiles, no excuses. It´s kinda obvious, since they literally are the same definition but for opposite genders.
 
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I don't think anybody wants to change your mind
 
 
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I don't get it.
is OP saying that shotacons in anime are pedophiles, if so it makes no sense as they are underaged.
or is OP saying that those who like shotacons are pedophiles, if you are male then you are a pedo and gay and if you female then you're just pedo.
Or there's another where you project yourself to be as that shota (in other words being in that shota's shoes), like most shota porn games, you want to be that shota with thicc mature oneesans and obasans, which to me is the main appeal of shota in anime and hentai. I dislike kids, but would be awesome to be that kid.

maybe just me as i find real kids fucking annoying, but lolis only cute and i don't get loli hentai as they are not thicc.

dunno. this thread badly worded.
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Hey, pal. Shotacon means a person who likes Shota. Lolicon means a person who likes Loli. I can understand the misunderstanding of that (I used to do it myself), but, essentially, if "-con" is added to the end, it is referring to a person interested in that specific thing 'Shota--con', as an example.

He was saying that adult Anime characters who're attracted to Anime Shotas in their show (as mentioned above, an adult attracted to a Shota is called a Shotacon) are paedophiles.

The participants of the thread (including myself) didn't take it that the thread creator was referring to Shotacons in Anime rather than real people who identify as Shotacons.

And yes, as an example: When watching Hentai that features a MILF and a Shota, people who aren't Shotacons imagine they THEMSELVES are the Shota having sex with the MILF, however, a person who is a Shotacon imagine that they're the MILF having sex with the Shota.

I hope that clears everything up.
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I know a few people who likes shota but i don't remember them.
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Another thread like this, violent games makes you violent, right? Think for yourself

Im a lolicon and I dont like real children
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Looking at the title, you're saying that shotacons IN ANIME (not the fanbase) are pedophiles. You're saying a character that's into little guys of the same dimension is a pedo.



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I think it is. I mean people say these are anime characters but still people are fantazing sex with children which seems pretty good indication of pedophilia. I still don't care that much considering they are just drawings and people can fap to whatever the fuck they want to unless the production of pornographic material is harming someone. I will still not be comfortable with the idea of a lolicon or shotacon babysitting a child.
 
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Another bait trash thread, another day on MAL forums.


 
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