marrmm said: was it because the game opened up a "conversation" I just want my shit to be fun and easy like mario games lmao The game is genuinely a lot of fun, the story was interesting and keeps going when you may think it's over. It did open up a conversation in certain ways, like how "bad" and "good" isn't always as clear cut as it seems to be. For me the game worked really well aside from some pacing issues. ![]() |
HanashiD4 said: The Last of Us 2 has been named the Ultimate Game of the Year at the Golden Joystick Awards 2020. In a video following the announcement, Neil Druckmann, the game's creative director and lead co-writer, told fans that "I'm not going to lie, this is pretty sweet. It's amazing to be in the company of such amazing games," expressing Naughty Dogs' love for "every single other game on this list." He went on to say that "I could not be prouder of this game and the team that put it together, and how we lifted each other up when we needed to," and that "I especially want to give a shout out to Ashley Johnson and Laura Bailey, who killed it in more ways than one as Ellie and Abby. The game would not be what it is without your guys' contributions, your amazing performances." Finally, Druckmann issued his tanks to "every single fan that voted for us. This being a fan award, you have no idea what it means to me and the team, and we will keep working hard to make you proud." The award marks the end of an outstanding night for Naughty Dog, which claimed the title of Best Studio along with four further awards (Best Audio, Best Storytelling, Best Visual Design, and PlayStation Game of the Year), making it one of the most successful Golden Joystick Awards winners of all time. source: https://www.gamesradar.com/the-last-of-us-2-wins-ultimate-game-of-the-year-at-the-golden-joystick-awards/ My thoughts: While the Metacritic rating of TLOU 2 is 93% and the audience rating is somehow 58% (according to the Google user statistics), it seems to be conflicted that between critics and consumers alike have been mingling each other with opposite thoughts and impressions. It's really quite confusing for me to choose either of each side, but for me, I think TLOU 2 is fairly a fair game (sorry for the redundancy btw) for me with a rating of 6.5/10 due to convoluted flow of chronological narrative. It's really hard for me to distinguish every character of TLOU 2 are worthwhile because they will die in a shock-value way, and their deaths are just nothing (impactful)/meaningless towards MCs themselves However, despite all the controversy during the fresh release of the game, I will still give Naughty Dog a round of applause for creating such a beautiful game... at least in the first game tho. Only because it had gay rights pushed down our thoughts. What a joke and sinful world. ![]() |
The-Nsider said: HanashiD4 said: The Last of Us 2 has been named the Ultimate Game of the Year at the Golden Joystick Awards 2020. In a video following the announcement, Neil Druckmann, the game's creative director and lead co-writer, told fans that "I'm not going to lie, this is pretty sweet. It's amazing to be in the company of such amazing games," expressing Naughty Dogs' love for "every single other game on this list." He went on to say that "I could not be prouder of this game and the team that put it together, and how we lifted each other up when we needed to," and that "I especially want to give a shout out to Ashley Johnson and Laura Bailey, who killed it in more ways than one as Ellie and Abby. The game would not be what it is without your guys' contributions, your amazing performances." Finally, Druckmann issued his tanks to "every single fan that voted for us. This being a fan award, you have no idea what it means to me and the team, and we will keep working hard to make you proud." The award marks the end of an outstanding night for Naughty Dog, which claimed the title of Best Studio along with four further awards (Best Audio, Best Storytelling, Best Visual Design, and PlayStation Game of the Year), making it one of the most successful Golden Joystick Awards winners of all time. source: https://www.gamesradar.com/the-last-of-us-2-wins-ultimate-game-of-the-year-at-the-golden-joystick-awards/ My thoughts: While the Metacritic rating of TLOU 2 is 93% and the audience rating is somehow 58% (according to the Google user statistics), it seems to be conflicted that between critics and consumers alike have been mingling each other with opposite thoughts and impressions. It's really quite confusing for me to choose either of each side, but for me, I think TLOU 2 is fairly a fair game (sorry for the redundancy btw) for me with a rating of 6.5/10 due to convoluted flow of chronological narrative. It's really hard for me to distinguish every character of TLOU 2 are worthwhile because they will die in a shock-value way, and their deaths are just nothing (impactful)/meaningless towards MCs themselves However, despite all the controversy during the fresh release of the game, I will still give Naughty Dog a round of applause for creating such a beautiful game... at least in the first game tho. Only because it had gay rights pushed down our [sic]throat. What a joke and sinful world. Have you actually played the game? Are you really upset that the game "shoved" gay rights down your throat because I don't see you deepthroating the LGBT flag so I don't want you hear your nonsensical ramblings about the game you probably never even played beyond reading an eighth of the plot and copy-pasting whatever opinion 4chan's /v/ board had at the time. It's so fucking silly to hear trite like this continuously but it should be expected from this crowd. The literal only fucking reason most idiots are upset is that people thought Abby was trans and are trying to assume that she was shoehorned in with the plot or whatever when she was clearly not. It's like a post-hoc justification of what happened in the game to begin with. There was no actual angle to attack the story other than an imagined "Abby is trans and trans equal bad so therefore game is bad" but the thing is that she is just a muscular "butch-looking" woman in an zombie apocalypses; "oh it's unrealistic!"-my ass. The whole fucking reason this plot started was the fact that he killed her father. Not just that he killed her father, who appears to be a kind man who had to make a tough decision when Ellie showed up, but Joel butchered an entire hospital full of Fireflies, totally shattering Abby’s life. And by doing this to save a single girl, he may have also doomed the entire human race since Ellie is the only immune person anyone has ever seen or heard of, and Abby’s father is the only person left alive (that we know of) who could have potentially derived a cure from her. The Plot was perfectly fine and reasonable and I would even go as far to say that the Ending made it a 8.5/10 for me instead of a 5/10. I don't like substandard revenge-fanficton and neither should anyone else. There are more important reasons to hate a product made by a company than "oh spooky gay rights in my esophagus". Do you even know why the game was leaked in the first place? FZREMAKE said: Deep down we all know that ANIMAL CROSSING deserved the goty. SO WRONG. If you were SMART you would know that the hidden gem HADES should have won! ![]() |
Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. ![]() |
The-Nsider said: lmao a game you don't have to play is pushing down our thoughts. Grats on not using "throat" though. HanashiD4 said: The Last of Us 2 has been named the Ultimate Game of the Year at the Golden Joystick Awards 2020. In a video following the announcement, Neil Druckmann, the game's creative director and lead co-writer, told fans that "I'm not going to lie, this is pretty sweet. It's amazing to be in the company of such amazing games," expressing Naughty Dogs' love for "every single other game on this list." He went on to say that "I could not be prouder of this game and the team that put it together, and how we lifted each other up when we needed to," and that "I especially want to give a shout out to Ashley Johnson and Laura Bailey, who killed it in more ways than one as Ellie and Abby. The game would not be what it is without your guys' contributions, your amazing performances." Finally, Druckmann issued his tanks to "every single fan that voted for us. This being a fan award, you have no idea what it means to me and the team, and we will keep working hard to make you proud." The award marks the end of an outstanding night for Naughty Dog, which claimed the title of Best Studio along with four further awards (Best Audio, Best Storytelling, Best Visual Design, and PlayStation Game of the Year), making it one of the most successful Golden Joystick Awards winners of all time. source: https://www.gamesradar.com/the-last-of-us-2-wins-ultimate-game-of-the-year-at-the-golden-joystick-awards/ My thoughts: While the Metacritic rating of TLOU 2 is 93% and the audience rating is somehow 58% (according to the Google user statistics), it seems to be conflicted that between critics and consumers alike have been mingling each other with opposite thoughts and impressions. It's really quite confusing for me to choose either of each side, but for me, I think TLOU 2 is fairly a fair game (sorry for the redundancy btw) for me with a rating of 6.5/10 due to convoluted flow of chronological narrative. It's really hard for me to distinguish every character of TLOU 2 are worthwhile because they will die in a shock-value way, and their deaths are just nothing (impactful)/meaningless towards MCs themselves However, despite all the controversy during the fresh release of the game, I will still give Naughty Dog a round of applause for creating such a beautiful game... at least in the first game tho. Only because it had gay rights pushed down our thoughts. What a joke and sinful world. ![]() |
JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... ![]() |
Bernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. ![]() |
JunkYardHiro said: You criticism doesn't make any senseBernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. 1) You are a thread full of people complaining about sjw and agendas 2) you just have to go back and check the pre-release material to see people hating on the game based on the lesbian romance and the 1000 youtube videos about "get woke go broke" lol Also again The people's choice award This is a thread about TloU 2 winning fan voted awards.. ![]() |
JunkYardHiro said: Bernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. Imma have to say no. The plot was perfectly fine to most people that played it. To criticize a game for it's plot you got to first understand the plot in the first place. You barely made any valid criticisms other than a vague gesture. What the fuck is "They tried something different but it was universally disliked" as a critique of a game? You don't provide any specification that could bolster your criticisms nor say anything the game could improve on. Also, "Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate"; you clearly haven't read there thread you are in. ![]() |
slightycognizant said: JunkYardHiro said: Bernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. Imma have to say no. The plot was perfectly fine to most people that played it. To criticize a game for it's plot you got to first understand the plot in the first place. You barely made any valid criticisms other than a vague gesture. What the fuck is "They tried something different but it was universally disliked" as a critique of a game? You don't provide any specification that could bolster your criticisms nor say anything the game could improve on. Also, "Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate"; you clearly haven't read there thread you are in. This is what is the most upsetting part, people going into the game already "knowing" what it's about and hating it. And I don't want to say it but a fair amount of people that thought the story wasn't good or whatever definitely didn't understand it. I'm just glad I went into the game without any spoilers or any agenda, just enjoyed it for what it is, a game, not any political statement or whatever. ![]() |
slightycognizant said: JunkYardHiro said: Bernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. Imma have to say no. The plot was perfectly fine to most people that played it. To criticize a game for it's plot you got to first understand the plot in the first place. You barely made any valid criticisms other than a vague gesture. What the fuck is "They tried something different but it was universally disliked" as a critique of a game? You don't provide any specification that could bolster your criticisms nor say anything the game could improve on. Also, "Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate"; you clearly haven't read there thread you are in. You come across as really angry in the tone of your message, I don't know why you're upset, but please chill. If you wanted me to go more in depth with my criticisms you could have just asked. Now I'll explain further in my regards to the story. I played as Joel the main protagonist for 30+ hours, grew to love his character and understand his thought process. People were waiting for more of Joel and Ellie for years now. Then comes the second game. Now I'm supposed to care about killing Abby's father and sympathize with Abby's loss after she just murdered Joel by bashing his skull in after he saved her groups life. Joel killed a doctor, along with lots of the Fireflies who were going to murder Ellie and dissect her, with no guarantee it would stop the current plague. On our path of carnage we slaughter lots of people. But Ellie has a revelation at the end that revenge is bad and let's Abby go. That's poor writing to me and a lot of people. They could have told the story differently and still have gotten the same age old method across. Now before someone else feels like shitting on me for having an opinion, I own special editions of both games, and the first last of us was my favorite game of it's generation. I genuinely love the games Naughty Dog comes out with, just not the writing in this one. ![]() |
PrOxAnto said: slightycognizant said: JunkYardHiro said: Bernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. Imma have to say no. The plot was perfectly fine to most people that played it. To criticize a game for it's plot you got to first understand the plot in the first place. You barely made any valid criticisms other than a vague gesture. What the fuck is "They tried something different but it was universally disliked" as a critique of a game? You don't provide any specification that could bolster your criticisms nor say anything the game could improve on. Also, "Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate"; you clearly haven't read there thread you are in. This is what is the most upsetting part, people going into the game already "knowing" what it's about and hating it. And I don't want to say it but a fair amount of people that thought the story wasn't good or whatever definitely didn't understand it. I'm just glad I went into the game without any spoilers or any agenda, just enjoyed it for what it is, a game, not any political statement or whatever. I spoiled myself by reading the leaked script before playing the game which, keep in mind, I don't mind as most of the time spoilers don't give you the full experience other than a cautionary summarization of the plot. Kind of the same thing as a manga reader waiting for an adaption of their favorite manga (Horimiya <3). I was one of those people on /v/ that first read the script. The only thing it told me was that it wasn't just substandard revenge-porn where nothing happens to the previous protagonist(s) despite the shit they got away with in the first game. I personally love tragedies and TLoU2 was really good in my opinion. What frustrates me is the amount of people that dislike it without a valid reason. ![]() |
JunkYardHiro said: slightycognizant said: JunkYardHiro said: Bernrika said: JunkYardHiro said: Ghosts of Tsushima won the only reward that matters, The people's choice award. It was a beautiful game and you could see the respect that was out forward towards Japanese culture. Every other reward is decided by a handful of judges. Last of Us 2 missed the mark when it comes to it's story. They tried something different but it was universally disliked. Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate. On the contrary, everyone was looking forward to it and wanted it to be amazing. For the 100 times, this thread is about the Golden Joystic awards which are fan voted... Doesn't make my criticisms of the game any less warranted. Imma have to say no. The plot was perfectly fine to most people that played it. To criticize a game for it's plot you got to first understand the plot in the first place. You barely made any valid criticisms other than a vague gesture. What the fuck is "They tried something different but it was universally disliked" as a critique of a game? You don't provide any specification that could bolster your criticisms nor say anything the game could improve on. Also, "Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate"; you clearly haven't read there thread you are in. You come across as really angry in the tone of your message, I don't know why you're upset, but please chill. If you wanted me to go more in depth with my criticisms you could have just asked. Now I'll explain further in my regards to the story. I played as Joel the main protagonist for 30+ hours, grew to love his character and understand his thought process. People were waiting for more of Joel and Ellie for years now. Then comes the second game. Now I'm supposed to care about killing Abby's father and sympathize with Abby's loss after she just murdered Joel by bashing his skull in after he saved her groups life. Joel killed a doctor, along with lots of the Fireflies who were going to murder Ellie and dissect her, with no guarantee it would stop the current plague. On our path of carnage we slaughter lots of people. But Ellie has a revelation at the end that revenge is bad and let's Abby go. That's poor writing to me and a lot of people. They could have told the story differently and still have gotten the same age old method across. Now before someone else feels like shitting on me for having an opinion, I own special editions of both games, and the first last of us was my favorite game of it's generation. I genuinely love the games Naughty Dog comes out with, just not the writing in this one. Actually that's exactly what it did for me. I was the same at the start, why the hell should I care for Abby after she killed Joel and did all that awful stuff. After sticking with her through her story and the events that transpired you start to realize she's a person aswell and there's 2 sides to a story. It's not always as black and white as it seems to be, as you learn through her background she has a valid reason for what she did and so did Joel and Ellie through the first and second game. Expecting to get more Joel and Ellie is fine and all but to think that's a fair criticism to dislike a game is a bit far fetched. The creators wanted to tell a unique story and they did exactly that. For me it worked amazingly, I even was like "Wait who the hell would kill a dog?" That was the point I genuinely appreciated the game for what it did. ![]() |
JunkYardHiro said: slightycognizant said: Imma have to say no. The plot was perfectly fine to most people that played it. To criticize a game for it's plot you got to first understand the plot in the first place. You barely made any valid criticisms other than a vague gesture. What the fuck is "They tried something different but it was universally disliked" as a critique of a game? You don't provide any specification that could bolster your criticisms nor say anything the game could improve on. Also, "Nobody was going into the Last of Us 2 with an agenda of hate"; you clearly haven't read there thread you are in. You come across as really angry in the tone of your message, I don't know why you're upset, but please chill. If you wanted me to go more in depth with my criticisms you could have just asked. Now I'll explain further in my regards to the story. I played as Joel the main protagonist for 30+ hours, grew to love his character and understand his thought process. People were waiting for more of Joel and Ellie for years now. Then comes the second game. Now I'm supposed to care about killing Abby's father and sympathize with Abby's loss after she just murdered Joel by bashing his skull in after he saved her groups life. Joel killed a doctor, along with lots of the Fireflies who were going to murder Ellie and dissect her, with no guarantee it would stop the current plague. On our path of carnage we slaughter lots of people. But Ellie has a revelation at the end that revenge is bad and let's Abby go. That's poor writing to me and a lot of people. They could have told the story differently and still have gotten the same age old method across. Now before someone else feels like shitting on me for having an opinion, I own special editions of both games, and the first last of us was my favorite game of it's generation. I genuinely love the games Naughty Dog comes out with, just not the writing in this one. First, please don't tone-police in a thread where brainless idiots are flinging around slurs because they didn't like a muscular woman they thought was transgender beating a guy in a simple game of golf. ;) You played as Joel in the first game and now you are mad that he dies in the second game. That is legitimate story telling. The story is not a "Pretty Precure" or some other happy-go-lucky bullshit; it's a tragedy like that of "Madoka Magica". People like you simply don't understand that in tragedies, people fucking die whether you like it or not. I get it you liked Joel as a character, I did as well but I don't think he is a fucking saint like most people like to think he is. Joel is a morally gray character of which you and others projected onto, and said character did some morally questionable things. Here is the thing. Ellie, the little girl in the first game, was the only immune person that anybody has seen and the person who could have saved humanity was Abby's Father, you know the doctor Joel killed for the selfish reason of keeping his "daughter" safe? So, how the fuck is this not a good reason not to just kill him let alone all the other mayhem he caused to even reach that climax? You see this as a negative for some reason? Even with no fucking guarantee that it could solve the plague, it was the only attempt Abby's Father, you know the Doctor, had at doing so. Even during the story, Abby killed Joel in front of Ellie and let her live despite the fact that they could be considered "loose ends" and cause a major conflict between both factions (to which happened). Ellie goes on a rampage destroying multiple groups, including Abby's Dog, her friends there were formerly Fireflies, WLF members in the Seattle Civil War, both Owen and Mel while Abby only causality at the time was Joel, the man she could morally justify killing. In their first fucking confrontation with Ellie, Abby beat her and spared her fucking life and guess what Ellie does vows for revenge again despite her perfectly fine life with Dina. Then at the final encounter, Ellie wins, don't forget the fact that it had been months that Abby had been imprisoned and tortured by the Rattler Gang, and spares Abby. Ellie has done more damage to Abby than the other way around. In this sense, Ellie already got her revenge, she killed Abby's loved ones and left Abby with the same emotional scars as when Abby killed Joel right before her eyes so in what world does it make sense to kill Abby off? In a sense, it's a Pyrrhic Victory for Ellie and in essence, the game was captured what a tragedy is meant to be. The writing in TLoU2 would have been worse if it was just a childish revenge fantasy that people wanted it to be. While I don't own the special editions for both game, I show my appreciations in my better understanding in story-telling than how many toddlers on the /v/ board wanted it to be. So, clearly I don't think the criticisms you and many other put up to bat are even worth a swing but I still will swing no matter how many curveballs you guys throw at me or DUNKEY BABEEEE! ![]() Modified by slightycognizant, Jan 13, 8:26 AM |