| Pope Francis has said that he thinks same-sex couples should be allowed to have "civil unions". He made the comments, which observers say are his clearest remarks yet on gay relationships, in a documentary directed by Evgeny Afineevsky. "Homosexual people have a right to be in a family," he said in the film, which premiered on Wednesday. "They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or made miserable over it. "What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered." He added that he "stood up for that", apparently referring to his time as Archbishop of Buenos Aires when, although opposing same-sex marriages in law, he supported some legal protections for same-sex couples. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54627625 christianity is getting more liberal nice one |
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| Isn't this old news, OP? Don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty f*cked up (and very hypocritical considering the Bible's stance on homosexuality), but why does it belong in the "current events" section when it happened several years ago? :o Or am I missing some vital information here? |
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| Cringe. This pope is a clown. #NotMyPope. |
| Its not like he changing doctrine, just how the religious should view the non-religious. He is interesting but unless its changing doctrine or teaching, nothing really new in the sense as surprising. And I agree! If people have a problem with gay marriage by viewing the union as "sacred", then continue having weddings in the Church of whatever faith you belong to; if not, then your religious freedom doesn't get to rewrite that marriage outside religion is a contract between people (usually) and laws are allowed to function as well as people outside religion's purview. Civil Unions are allowed for others, and they can go to a official for it. I'm saying to the topic it might appear to be a change but its a reinforcement of the separation of governance between religious institutions and as the US is about to have a Catholic majority in its Supreme Court, its relevant to point these things out for him probably. Its how other denominations of Christianity respond as well as inner sects to this-- to which its expected to be something they are in total-against, as they view authority from "the book" more than from the papacy. |
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| Same sex unions may have already been performed by various Christian authority in the past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelphopoiesis There also isn't a very strong biblical argument against homosexual rights and marriage. https://theconversation.com/using-the-bible-against-lgbtq-people-is-an-abuse-of-scripture-110128 https://theconversation.com/to-christians-arguing-no-on-marriage-equality-the-bible-is-not-decisive-82498 |
| A better source of information: Pope Francis calls for civil union law for same-sex couples, in shift from Vatican stance What did Pope Francis say about civil unions? A CNA Explainer Most likely the pope was talking about ensuring civil law allows for bros to have certain legal rights as a spouse would in a marriage, like authority in health care decisions or visitation rights. Homosexual acts are always immoral. It is a misinterpretation to claim any kind of support for immoral acts by the pope or Catholic church. |
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| Lol. I am almost 100% certain the Catholic church was infiltrated by a Zoroastrian convert who became the Pope and doled out excommunications in the past. The man that lies with mankind as man lies with womankind, or as woman lies with mankind, is a man that is a Daeva [demon]; this man is a worshipper of the Daevas, a male paramour of the Daevas[5][6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism_and_sexual_orientation annnnddd that is how you become a anti-hero Black Templar. |
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BurntJelly said: A better source of information: Pope Francis calls for civil union law for same-sex couples, in shift from Vatican stance What did Pope Francis say about civil unions? A CNA Explainer Most likely the pope was talking about ensuring civil law allows for bros to have certain legal rights as a spouse would in a marriage, like authority in health care decisions or visitation rights. Homosexual acts are always immoral. It is a misinterpretation to claim any kind of support for immoral acts by the pope or Catholic church. No he indeed was talking about homosexuals unless by bros you mean all humanity are children of God thus siblings then yes. There is no way to misinterpret what he said in context. As for the last bit in your post read my previous post. I provided links that explain the problems with statements like that on religious grounds. |
pope benedikt was better, I don't care, my country is christian orthodox, we have the great patriarch IPS Daniel. |
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| LMFAO. Big W for the muslims. Christianity is dead as fuck boi. |
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| He can't say retarded revolting things ALL the time, he has to say decent stuff sometimes too. If someone expects me to applaude someone who excuses terrorist attacks on atheists tho... Not before he gets cold. Catalano said: pope benedikt was better, I don't care, my country is christian orthodox, we have the great patriarch IPS Daniel. He's unhappy because not enough gold. He's just in it for the gold. Please people, send this poor guy your money prayers. |
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Ghemotoc said: Catalano said: pope benedikt was better, I don't care, my country is christian orthodox, we have the great patriarch IPS Daniel. He's unhappy because not enough gold. He's just in it for the gold. Please people, send this poor guy your money prayers. what are talking about, this humble man is the lamb of god :))) totally not corrupt and evil. jokes aside, this dude was a secret agent in the time of comunist romania, he put many people in prison. wow, when was the last time we had a discussion on the forums? you're that french guy who loves rei right? |
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Catalano said: Ghemotoc said: He's unhappy because not enough gold. He's just in it for the gold. Please people, send this poor guy your money prayers. what are talking about, this humble man is the lamb of god :))) totally not corrupt and evil. jokes aside, this dude was a secret agent in the time of comunist romania, he put many people in prison. wow, when was the last time we had a discussion on the forums? you're that french guy who loves rei right? Hahaha yes it's me. That pic is funny honestly, could he look more grumpy? (^% Romanian? I wanna travel there a couple weeks at some point before the end of the year if I can :3 |
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Ghemotoc said: Catalano said: what are talking about, this humble man is the lamb of god :))) totally not corrupt and evil. jokes aside, this dude was a secret agent in the time of comunist romania, he put many people in prison. wow, when was the last time we had a discussion on the forums? you're that french guy who loves rei right? Hahaha yes it's me. That pic is funny honestly, could he look more grumpy? (^% Romanian? I wanna travel there a couple weeks at some point before the end of the year if I can :3 nice, you should go for the experience and it won't cost you that much. that dude never smiles, he doesn't even fake it, that's orthodoxism for you. |
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Ghemotoc said: He can't say retarded revolting things ALL the time, he has to say decent stuff sometimes too. If someone expects me to applaude someone who excuses terrorist attacks on atheists tho... Not before he gets cold. Do you have examples of that? |
traed said: Ghemotoc said: He can't say retarded revolting things ALL the time, he has to say decent stuff sometimes too. If someone expects me to applaude someone who excuses terrorist attacks on atheists tho... Not before he gets cold. Do you have examples of that? His whole "if someone insulted my mom I'd punch him" legendary sentence after Charlie Hebdo's killings. |
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Ghemotoc said: His whole "if someone insulted my mom I'd punch him" legendary sentence after Charlie Hebdo's killings. I am not so sure there. Looking back into it he also said religion shouldn't be used to condone violence. What he said was tone deaf and insensitive to victims but I wouldn't say it was excusing them. It sounded like he was suggesting just because something shouldn't happen doesn't mean it wont and it's best not to intentionally provoke people over things they could have explosive reactions to.. . So just another way of saying to be tolerant. |
K_Rool_Addict said: Isn't this old news, OP? Don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty f*cked up (and very hypocritical considering the Bible's stance on homosexuality), but why does it belong in the "current events" section when it happened several years ago? :o Or am I missing some vital information here? "it's fucked up."(has 11 year old girl body pillow for signature.) bruh. |
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| Tch Another based point decreased for the pope, do better next time Someone stop this man, he's literally distorting the religion |
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I'll have you know she's at least 110 years old, my good (waki-loving degenerate) sir. :o  |
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hazarddex said: The Bible doesn't say anything about lolis. If anything, only the most devoted Catholics can appreciate their presence in the church.K_Rool_Addict said: Isn't this old news, OP? Don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty f*cked up (and very hypocritical considering the Bible's stance on homosexuality), but why does it belong in the "current events" section when it happened several years ago? :o Or am I missing some vital information here? "it's fucked up."(has 11 year old girl body pillow for signature.) bruh.  |
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Fatephile said: Tch Another based point decreased for the pope, do better next time Someone stop this man, he's literally distorting the religion Not necessarily. Read my first post and the links provided. You too @k_rool_addict |
| Even when I was religious I didn't get why religious people care about gay marriage anyway, isn't, according to most of them, inside the church marriage the only true form of marriage anyway? Like, wasn't the entire point of having a priest there to make it valid in the eyes of god? |
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Bayek said: The Bible doesn't say anything about lolis. If anything, only the most devoted Catholics can appreciate their presence in the church. No. That would be a Baptist preacher (who can actually get married and have a family). While Father O'Hanahan is diddling the choir boys. The Baptist preacher will leave a trail of devastation and nakadashi in his wake (and pregnant fifteen year olds). In between delivering fiery sermons about retaking Jerusalem. |
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Soverign said: As the saying goes, Skyrim belongs to the Nords!Bayek said: The Bible doesn't say anything about lolis. If anything, only the most devoted Catholics can appreciate their presence in the church. No. That would be a Baptist preacher (who can actually get married and have a family). While Father O'Hanahan is diddling the choir boys. The Baptist preacher will leave a trail of devastation and nakadashi in his wake (and pregnant fifteen year olds). In between delivering fiery sermons about retaking Jerusalem.  |
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| even with him saying this people will still hate the HOMOSEXUALS, quite pathetic |
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| I grew up an Evangelical Christian....as in PROTESTANT. It didn't take long for me to find out Protestants are IGNORANT, BIGOTS, and straight up FRAUDS! So, I can now say....Catholics are the REAL Christians. They have more compassion, they have more acceptance, and they actually care about Jesus. Unlike the pathetic Evangelical wing of Christianity that HATES gays, looks down on the poor, and have zero compassion towards others. |
Bob-o-Dominador said: Even when I was religious I didn't get why religious people care about gay marriage anyway, isn't, according to most of them, inside the church marriage the only true form of marriage anyway? Like, wasn't the entire point of having a priest there to make it valid in the eyes of god? It's mostly just a power grab based on a slippery slope mentality. Essentially various religions have spent a long time setting up large groups or acts to be inherently evil based on specific sections of scripture. Now there's a rapidly increasing population of people who just do not care about religion or vocally don't follow any organized religion. With that shift has come a general tolerance for many of these factors which poses a threat to religious based power. To use gay marriage as an example I can even reference the recent opinion piece written by Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas on the US Supreme court. They basically stated that the existence and legalization of homosexual marriage undercuts the religious freedom protected by the first amendment because it created a methodology for the religious provisions to be challenged on a case by case basis. They even referenced the case of the women who got sued for not distributing marriage licenses to homosexual couples. Which is a running theme, basically major religions have propped up these groups as enemies and now that they're being more readily accepted it's a potential challenge to their power. Especially when people get into calling out practices like say conversion therapy which is just literal torture. |
| this is good. recognizes same-sex unions without angering the traditionalists by specifically distinguishing it as something other than marriage. the quote in the article perfectly encapsulates it "This was his position as Archbishop of Buenos Aires," said Mr Ivereigh. "He was always opposed to marriage being for same-sex couples. But he believed the church should advocate for a civil union law for gay couples to give them legal protection." |
| That's basically what I thiink too. Let gay people have a partnership for the benefits. However, there's no need to call them 'husband and husband' hahah. |
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| @--ALEX-- I'm not sure who is more true, but I can say I believe it due to where the groups get their religious rules from (scripture, leader, abstract). How the different denominations interpret and understand how to engage with their world is strongly dependent on where that faith sees as its source of authority. For Catholics, its is Papal infallibility while Evangelicals (as the name hints) see it from their distinct version of the bible, biblical inerrancy. There are even different preferred bible versions for each denomination, that vastly contrast in messages, ie Book of Mormon. Don't know if you care for that explanation but i do agree fundamentally all Christian denoms should be trying atleast to emulating their namesake's founder-- @Slawadia I was unsure, I remember reading the Archbishop of New York seemed bummed cause the quote went something like "He made a mistake..". I agree a good thing tho but not sure if traditionalists were pleased. Unsure how they feel with papal infallibility. |
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