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Oct 16, 2020 11:06 AM

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Dat happiness flex was cruel af, ignorance can be bliss after all. And as others have already mentioned, the Kino vibes were strong in this episode, even tho, I think most Kino storys had definitely more subletely and finesse. Still my favorite episode so far, hope we get more of thatand some guro doujin featuring Nino
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Oct 16, 2020 11:10 AM

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Wasn't expecting it to go as dark as it did. Like it really surprised me. Mind you, it's a show about magic and a witch traveling, so not everything would be super happy go lucky.
 
Oct 16, 2020 11:16 AM

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But she is a human, and she has no empathy for other humans cause "flowers are pretty"? That's straight up psycho, sorry.

Wow that's like saying if you saw a tiger eat a human near a rural village you would kill it. Look don't bring human ego in this. You can't just end somethings life cause he ate one of your same species you should only care if that thing he ate was important to you. I don't see the government going out of there way to save some random village on some island filled with natives. That's honestly not just a waste of time but also extremely rare Us humans like to ignore the problems of the world or simply write it down.

But I would kill a tiger, cause it clearly is dangerous. And yes, I can end somethings life for that, even if I never knew this guy - it would not be from anger cause I lost someone precious, but it would be a cold logic - disposing of a threat while minimizing damage done. While IRL most of the cases that are "brushed off" are cause someone if profiting from it, corruption and bribes are not something new. And yet when a massive problem arises that threatens people - we tend to unite. Even USSR agreed to recieve help with Chernobyl and neighbrouring countries were willing to provide it. So yeah, if she took care of it for a reward - I would get it. If she would help on her way out without asking for anything - I would get it. But she just abandoned the city to its grim fate without a single thought. How is it normal?
 
Oct 16, 2020 11:21 AM

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I don't know how to feel about this. At first the character was good and I felt empathy for her while she struggled to get an apprenticeship. But this episode I feel she nosedived into full sociopath territory and perhaps making her a full fledged witch was a bad idea.

She even confirmed the field of flowers were in fact poisonous and leading people to there deaths. Witnessing first hand the bouquet she had taken to the city was wrapped in a cloth from a missing person, and the missing persons family had then went to the field and she watched as the plants consumed him.

I'm going to keep watching as this is some seriously wild shit, but MC has such disregard for life (enmass given the walkers towards the city), while the show so far seems about a young witch finding her powers and exploring the world for enjoyment and fun as totally juxtapose viewpoints.

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Oct 16, 2020 11:34 AM

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It started to get wired. Elaina is becoming the witch of disaster (So shes not like the The Ashen Witch that's getting reborn from ash but instead she's turning everything to ash).
 
Oct 16, 2020 11:36 AM

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This episode caught me by surprise, I thought they were going to be stories with cheerful and happy characters all the time but I saw the opposite, I love it
 
 
Oct 16, 2020 11:45 AM

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A very interesting episode indeed.
I initially thought that the plant segment would be something that gets picked up again later on in the series, but now I doubt that.
And admittedly, the more I think about it, the more I question Elaina's character in that segment.

The second segment on the other hand was great. Even though we aren't entirely sure how it concluded, it doesn't feel incomplete. Not to mention, it was a rather dark segment (though the end of the plant segment was pretty disturbing too).
And at least in this scenario, I can understand Elaina not taking any action. Not to mention, her not doing anything adds more depth to her character in comparison to how she reacted (or lack thereof) in the first segment.

Despite a slightly questionable first half, this episode has assured me that this series will likely be the highlight of the season for me, assuming it continues to spread its wings and experiment with a variety of settings and stories.
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Oct 16, 2020 11:57 AM
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So is this episode going to be the tone of the rest of the anime or is the a nod to the source material and to show she just a traveler not a hero?
 
Oct 16, 2020 12:02 PM
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This turned dark pretty quickly. Jeez
I still liked it tho.
 
Oct 16, 2020 12:11 PM

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I see a lot of people missing the point of this episode, I think it was pretty clear what happened here and why Elaina decided "not to give a fuck".

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what did i just watch
i thought this anime will be great but maybe i was wrong

this ep was horrible
a witch traveling trough the world. watching ppl suffer and dying and doesnt give a single fuck


The tale talked about flowers absorbing magic, do you think Elaina's magic would have actually helped the town? There was nothing she could do about it and if she did something it could have been for the worst, she's still a kid and know nothing of the world she's travelling around.

The second story made pretty clear that overwhelming others with help isn't always for the best.

Just give them a pair of over sized breasts and a happy ending and they'll oink for more every time


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Oct 16, 2020 12:12 PM

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The amount of dumbassery with most people here in this damn forum thread being unable to comprehend why Elaina didn't go out her ways to solve the issues in this episode.....it just really bewilders me to no limits.
 
Oct 16, 2020 12:25 PM
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I think the plot is similar to Violet Evergarden. Every chapter, there's a new character and a new setting. The animation is so clean specially in that part where Elaina fixed the broken pitcher.

I hope Nino can find her happiness.




Not really..Violet actually grows as a character, and the episodes are complete, self contained stories that hold up on their own. All that Elaina has given us is interesting concepts but unsatisfactory conclusions.
 
Oct 16, 2020 12:42 PM

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Well, I think everytime we watch new episode of this anime, we must remember three promises of Elaine to her mother. From those, we can understand every choice that Elaina took on every event.

And also remember, Elaine start her travel not to become a wandering hero, but to learn new thing along her journey and write it down.
 
 
Oct 16, 2020 12:52 PM

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Strong Kino no Tabi vibes this episode, loved it
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Oct 16, 2020 12:55 PM

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Seeing the forum here where some people are not fans of Elaina's lack of action in the episode for saving/helping in the first half, and I'm guessing a lot of them haven't either seen or liked Kino's Journey given the lack of action taken by Elaina.

She like Kino are purely observers and travellers, not superheroes who save the day everywhere they go. Especially for stuff beyond their control.

This was a more grim episode than the previous two but I'm glad this aired. That Kino feeling strikes even stronger with me and the production continues to deliver really nicely.

"The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."


Well. Kino is actually just a human, Elaina is a magical witch...
She -Elaina- is more than enough powerful to change things if she did actually care.
 
Oct 16, 2020 12:58 PM

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That was a pretty messy and dark episode.

The first part was like it was skipped for some reason.
And the second part was just f*cked up.

That slave girl is basically a s*x slave, and the young boy has no idea that his father is a scumbag who's been r*ping his loved one, and that he's just making things worse with his behavior.
Or even if that fat ugly bastard didn't actually r*pe her yet, he's definitely been molesting her since the beginning.

Btw, author previously said not to show any panties, so there won't be anything ecchi, making it safe for all ages to watch.
Sure that's all good, but I guess it's okay to secretly /not so secretly show signs of domestic abuse and r*pe.
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Oct 16, 2020 1:07 PM

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this sure was a gloomy episode. I want to cry.
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:08 PM

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i like that it's getting darker, but the first story was too short
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:30 PM

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So is this show going to be mostly of watching people suffer one way or another and having a MC that doesn't give a fuck? I don't particularly care if she helps or not but seems pointless if that is the case of the show. I'm not a fan of dark themes so I'd like to know.
 
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:31 PM
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Because I have was reading the Light Novel I wondered how they were going to portray the next few stories in the anime as there is a big shift from episode 2 to a much darker path.

They combined Chapter 2 and 6 from the LN although both could have really stood on their own as episodes.

Again this is a wonderful adaptation albeit the jumping around chapters which IMO is actually better for progression than the Light Novel.

Am I the only one feeling like this is similar to Kino's Journey?

Some happy endings and some not so happy to be sure.
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:31 PM

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Yep, strong Kino no Tabi vibes in this episode. However, Elaina is not a character as interesting as Kino and these two stories didn't really give anything to think about (even more so with the cheap morals at the end). It was pretty disappointing in the end.

I hope the next episodes will be better.
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:34 PM

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People, am I actually psycho because I don't find anything wrong about Elaina's actions? I'm actually worried.

Why do we expect people to always be saviours? It may sound cruel to stay a bystander, but actions have consequences. If you are not ready to bear them, then don't do anything in the first place. That's reality.

I think the fact that she is a witch makes it kind of hard to see things from Elaina's point of view. We take her as a blessed being which is more than an ordinary human. And because she has the power to do so, she should help everyone who is in need of help. Like some Jesus.

She never wanted to help anyone. She didn't become a witch to be an almighty OP saviour everyone would worship. She wants to travel. If you have a problem with that, then you should become doctors or something like that. I mean you have a power to become one, there is nothing stopping you (only if you have financial problems or injury). I never wanted to be a doctor, I don't feel any need to help people with physical problems. Does this make me a cruel and sadistic psycho? If yes, then tell me, please.

You all are saying she is selfish and cruel, but it's not like she never helped anyone. She did the flower girl the favour of bringing the flowers to that town, she fixed that mug or whatever the slave girl dropped. You are talking as if she didn't do a shit. She helped them. She isn't that selfish that she wouldn't do anything for others. But she won't save them. Because she isn't a saviour. Go read a Bible or some generic isekai if you want OP characters saving people and world.

And I also don't get why are you calling her arrogant and selfish. Yes, she thinks highly of herself, but what's wrong with that? I never really got the impression that she was belittling others (only in the first episode). Is it wrong to have high self-esteem? I envy her for having something like that. I don't want to think badly of myself.

She also isn't emotionless. Either you have low EQ to see that or I am a psycho for seeing emotion in her sadistic acts. In both cases, I felt that it had an effect on Elaina. She wasn't like I don't give a crap. It was painful for her. But there was nothing she could do. (I mean, that field was huge af, could she actually destroy it or something?)

But I have to say, that the first story felt a little rushed, the ending was quite abrupt. But I see that many of you find an open ending to be incomplete. I didn't feel any need to know more about these stories. Just like Elaina was, it's better to not know the end, that way you actually can have hope for the better. Knowing that their lives didn't go well will not make you feel better.

Neither do I think these stories are pointless. At least, I can see some message behind them, but even without that, these are stories about Elaina's journey. It's about what she experienced. There actually doesn't have to be any deeper meaning. Are you writing in your diary only things which do have a point?

I'm sorry for writing something this long, I don't think anyone will even bother reading this. I just felt that I had to state my opinion. You are free to think whatever you want, I just don't get the way you, who are hating on Elaina, think. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, neither that mine is right. There are no such things among opinions.
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:41 PM
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Yawn. No new spells this episode. The stories were also too short for me to leave any emotional impact.
 
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:47 PM

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I feel as if a lot of people are missing the point of this episode.

While the two stories weren’t directly connected, they both followed the same themes “kindness and beauty can sometimes be cruel”. Elaina attempted a kind deed by bringing the flowers to the town. While this lead to the brother reconnecting to his sister, it also cost him and many others their lives.

This theme was mirrored in the second half where the Son attempted to impose happiness on his Slave crush but inadvertently made her feel more isolated and imprisoned. Actions of good will may not lead to a happy consequence.

The world is notably more grim this episode. There isn’t any light hearted charming interaction between witches, but a harsh look at the misery that exists in the world. I for one welcome the change.

As for Elaina, a lot of people are misinterpreting her character. She’s not a narcissist, merely a travelling observer. Her Mother asked her to stay safe and she’s doing just that. They weren’t her fights, and what right does she has to impose her justice boner on an outside community. If she were to rescue the slave, then what? Will she go out of her way to move her to a safe location? No, she’d make an enemy of the town and make a name herself. This would likely impose on her own travelling possibilities.

I enjoyed the more philosophical tones and less straightforward stories. I hope the anime can keep up this mix of episode styles we’ve seen so far.
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:50 PM
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like one of the messages his mother gave to Elaina. do not consider yourself special, yes. when meeting with Nino, Elaina chose not to interfere. Sometimes giving kindness and help to others actually makes him even more desperate because he/her is aware of his helplessness
 
 
Oct 16, 2020 1:53 PM

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This show is actually very dark beneath its cheerful and innocent exterior... The more we see of Elaina's adventures, the more obvious it becomes, it's not just a cute slice of life. The stories depicted touched me so much, but at the same time I'm getting really worried because of how it seems to get gradually darker. First we had Flan's and Elaina's sometimes messed up relationship, then we had Saya who was lying and stealing in fear of being alone, and then it was this brother and his sister who died poisoned by the beautiful flowers, and finally Nino the slave who for all we know might have killed herself due to her husband's attempt at making her happy actually making her even more depressed than she already was.
Not to mention how the conclusions seem to have a more and more hopeless kind of feeling. I'm afraid to see what will be next.

Also, is it me or are the lessons taught actually pretty disturbing ? If you think about it, the first two weren't the best ones you can actually learn despite what it first looks like, and the last two don't even hide how messed up and depressing they are.

And finally, let's talk about Elaina herself. I already had my doubts in the very first episode, doubts that grew bigger last ep, and now have been pretty much confirmed : she is clearly portrayed as an apathetic/insensitive and self-centered person. In the first ep she was sometimes being very cold towards Flan, last ep she was very harsh towards Saya, and in this one we first saw her leaving a guy to die without even trying to make him snap out of it and then turning a blind eye to a slave's suffering, while literally saying she "doesn't want to know" what happened to her.
This last scene, combined with her very vain and even pretentious behaviour, really makes her come out as someone who only cares about herself and refuses to pay much attention to all the harm that can be caused around her as long as it doesn't impact her directly. She is moved by what she sees, but she refuses to focus on that. She's always been doing that.

Writing it down really makes me think that I just figured what the show really is about. It's only cute and cheerful on the surface because of Elaina, but the truth is that it keeps telling darker and darker tales, a darkness that Elaina refuses to see.
Did I watch too many "cute at first glance/dark beneath the surface" shows that now make me see this kind of thing everywhere or did I really just got tricked into another one while genuily thinking about watching an heartwarming SOL with magic ? (To those who read the novel, please don't answer me, I want to find out by watching the rest, not through spoilers.)
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Guys, read the second chapter of the manga if you want to know the whole flower story.

I don't know how it was in the novel but in manga things are actually explained. And there is no zombie scene, what doesn't make Elaina look like a cruel bitch. I don't understand why did the studio adapt this sotry as it did. I hope they don't butcher up more stories like this.
 
Oct 16, 2020 2:21 PM

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People, am I actually psycho because I don't find anything wrong about Elaina's actions? I'm actually worried.

Why do we expect people to always be saviours? It may sound cruel to stay a bystander, but actions have consequences. If you are not ready to bear them, then don't do anything in the first place. That's reality.

I think the fact that she is a witch makes it kind of hard to see things from Elaina's point of view. We take her as a blessed being which is more than an ordinary human. And because she has the power to do so, she should help everyone who is in need of help. Like some Jesus.

She never wanted to help anyone. She didn't become a witch to be an almighty OP saviour everyone would worship. She wants to travel. If you have a problem with that, then you should become doctors or something like that. I mean you have a power to become one, there is nothing stopping you (only if you have financial problems or injury). I never wanted to be a doctor, I don't feel any need to help people with physical problems. Does this make me a cruel and sadistic psycho? If yes, then tell me, please.

You all are saying she is selfish and cruel, but it's not like she never helped anyone. She did the flower girl the favour of bringing the flowers to that town, she fixed that mug or whatever the slave girl dropped. You are talking as if she didn't do a shit. She helped them. She isn't that selfish that she wouldn't do anything for others. But she won't save them. Because she isn't a saviour. Go read a Bible or some generic isekai if you want OP characters saving people and world.

And I also don't get why are you calling her arrogant and selfish. Yes, she thinks highly of herself, but what's wrong with that? I never really got the impression that she was belittling others (only in the first episode). Is it wrong to have high self-esteem? I envy her for having something like that. I don't want to think badly of myself.

She also isn't emotionless. Either you have low EQ to see that or I am a psycho for seeing emotion in her sadistic acts. In both cases, I felt that it had an effect on Elaina. She wasn't like I don't give a crap. It was painful for her. But there was nothing she could do. (I mean, that field was huge af, could she actually destroy it or something?)

But I have to say, that the first story felt a little rushed, the ending was quite abrupt. But I see that many of you find an open ending to be incomplete. I didn't feel any need to know more about these stories. Just like Elaina was, it's better to not know the end, that way you actually can have hope for the better. Knowing that their lives didn't go well will not make you feel better.

Neither do I think these stories are pointless. At least, I can see some message behind them, but even without that, these are stories about Elaina's journey. It's about what she experienced. There actually doesn't have to be any deeper meaning. Are you writing in your diary only things which do have a point?

I'm sorry for writing something this long, I don't think anyone will even bother reading this. I just felt that I had to state my opinion. You are free to think whatever you want, I just don't get the way you, who are hating on Elaina, think. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, neither that mine is right. There are no such things among opinions.


I completely agree. I feel like a lot of the viewers think because she is extremely powerful and capable that she should have the responsibility to save and help people. However, if that was expected of any person with immense power, why would some people get the power in the first place. Not everybody has the mentality of a hero which is a very common archetype among anime protagonists in general. Why should we expect Elaina to be morally obligated to help everyone when she as a character was most likely not mentally prepared for the grim reality of the world? We have to take into account that she is still relatively naive about the world, after all she is the youngest witch out there.

As you said, Elaina became a witch to explore the world and document her travels. With her extreme talent and skill, she was able to become a witch in order to do just that. However, what we will probably see later on in the story are most likely morally ambigious scenarios depicting the darker realities of the world and Elaina's interactions in them.
 
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This was a pretty dark episode but a great one as well! I really love how elaina didnt interfere in both stories. It seems the author likes leave the viewer to imagine how things go after elaina leaves which is pretty interesting. AOTS for me so far
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Went back and reread the chapters adapted this episode and there are 2 differences between the anime and LN in this episode that are rather strange for them to have added in, as it makes each story significantly darker and they're already dark enough in the source material.

In the plant story, the light novel ends with Elaina noticing one zombie plant-person heading in the direction she is going (i.e. away from the town from the story) carrying a bouquet of flowers. This implies a continuation of the cycle of a person at a time being lured towards the field, which is a dark ending indeed. Why the anime decided to ramp it up to about 10 of them and have them all moving as a pack to the same town from the story I don't know, as that gives the impression the town will soon be wiped out, which is considerably worse.

Similarly, in the second story, there was nothing in the LN about Nino fixing up her clothes when she first appears and in fact, both she and the chief appear with no explanation of where they came from so the implication from them coming through the same door isn't there either. Tbh I didn't even pick up on this until reading some comments in here so I'm not sure if the anime really was trying to imply she was sexually assaulted or if we're reading too much into it but it seems an unneccessarily cruel addition if so. Admittedly, this could have been in the Japanese version and Yen Press took it out in the translation process, though you would hope that wouldn't happen. The only line I can see that might in any way imply something is:
“Ah, um… He is in his study now, working…,” she said, gripping the hem of her dress. “Um, did you have some business with him?” but it seems a bit of a stretch to infer anything just from that without the further hints the anime added in.

A good addition they made though was the scene where Elaina seems like she's going to blast a spell at the chief, whereas in the novel she just repairs the . This was a good way to make up for the loss of Elaina's inner perspective that we get in the novel which shows her increasing disgust towards the chief throughout the scene. She largely keeps her emotions concealed externally and we only get to see them through her first person perspective in the novels & I think this is the area in which the anime is struggling the most, in conveying her personality properly without that narration, but they did it well in that scene at least.

Aside, from those 2 changes I thought this episode was great though, the best so far for me. I personally really enjoy the darker chapters in the novels, and that Elaina isn't your typical must-help-everyone Shounen hero(ine). I think the fact that the series mixes a variety of happy and sad stories & ones where Elaina decides to help out with problems versus ones where she remains an observer is one of it's biggest strengths. It means you actually don't know exactly how a story will play out at its beginning, unlike many LN/anime where the end is immediately apparent from the beginning. I can understand how the expectation built up by the two fairly light & happily resolved opening episodes would make the shift in tone this episode rather jarring for some though.
 
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Kahirama said:
Guys, read the second chapter of the manga if you want to know the whole flower story.

I don't know how it was in the novel but in manga things are actually explained. And there is no zombie scene, what doesn't make Elaina look like a cruel bitch. I don't understand why did the studio adapt this sotry as it did. I hope they don't butcher up more stories like this.


Interestingly, aside from the point I mentioned above, the anime adapted this story from the LN pretty faithfully. It's the manga which differed massively in this case. Maybe they merged the story with another that happens later in the LN but I'm not sure about that.

I think the manga version was actually better though, not sure if the LN author had any input on those changes or not.
 
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i see a lot of people trying to draw a comparison to kino but i would like to remind you. very few of the awful people in kino no tabi get away with it

the bandit that sold slave got killed by kino

the other slavers with photo got poisoned.

kino topple an entire kingdom because the king was a tyrantical asshole.

so in my book Kino is at lest better then this main character.
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Bruh this just made me sad. I didn’t like this episode as much as the other two. Mainly because Elaina didn’t do ANYTHING. She just kinda watched as every little fucked up thing happened
 
Oct 16, 2020 3:25 PM
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Nino came out of the fat bastard's room still getting dressed...


when I realized that I felt a strong discomfort, I wonder if the next episodes will also be dark
 
 
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This anime is a gem in my opinion, it reminds me of Kino no Tabi
 
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ODST-300 said:
MrAwesome2018 said:
Nino came out of the fat bastard's room still getting dressed...


when I realized that I felt a strong discomfort, I wonder if the next episodes will also be dark


yes you will find quickly that the main character is kinda an asshole just as some one whos read the LN.

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This anime is a gem in my opinion, it reminds me of Kino no Tabi


except kino no tabi is still better in my opinion.
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
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“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

 
 
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Pretty disappointing episode.

This time we had two stories in one ep, which really made each very short in time and story.

The first one ended in a cliffhanger for some reason. And I'm not sure why the hell Elaina just got the hell out of there when she saw the guard.

Then we see the zombie people marching towards town and... that's it? What's next? What's gonna happen?

The second story as well, she saw the abuse Nino is receiving, and again just up and left like that.

Is this what we're going to get all season now? Incomplete stories?


You're evidently not getting the moral of the story and how certain elements are developed to aid the theme.

The stories concluded abruptly for a very specific purpose. The purpose was to emphasize that things aren't so black and white and your interruption in affairs in spite of good intentions may backfire. Her leaving of the garden and at the end emphasized this point.

However I agree with the notion that two separate stories could be split into two episodes, however there is only 12-13 episode slots a season.
 
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I couldn't take the second half of the episode seriously after watching Tejina-senpai, given Elaina and Emil (bowl cut guy who wanted to gain Nino's love) are voiced by the seiyuus of the main characters of that show lol.
 
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Looks like it's going to be one of those animes where we see a new character for the period of the episode.
Really loving this anime so far, art is really nice, can't wait for next ep

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Oct 16, 2020 3:40 PM

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ODST-300 said:


when I realized that I felt a strong discomfort, I wonder if the next episodes will also be dark


yes you will find quickly that the main character is kinda an asshole just as some one whos read the LN.

danyanime200 said:
This anime is a gem in my opinion, it reminds me of Kino no Tabi


except kino no tabi is still better in my opinion.
Visually I prefer this but Kino no Tabi was more deep
 
 
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Similarly, in the second story, there was nothing in the LN about Nino fixing up her clothes when she first appears and in fact, both she and the chief appear with no explanation of where they came from so the implication from them coming through the same door isn't there either. Tbh I didn't even pick up on this until reading some comments in here so I'm not sure if the anime really was trying to imply she was sexually assaulted or if we're reading too much into it but it seems an unneccessarily cruel addition if so. Admittedly, this could have been in the Japanese version and Yen Press took it out in the translation process, though you would hope that wouldn't happen.
Yeah I didn't personally think of it as her being raped... But in hindsight it can definitely appear that way and very well could be intended so for the anime. Don't recall this ever being hinted at in the novel either, nor the scene happening in a way to imply that.
 
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danyanime200 said:
hazarddex said:


yes you will find quickly that the main character is kinda an asshole just as some one whos read the LN.



except kino no tabi is still better in my opinion.
Visually I prefer this but Kino no Tabi was more deep


not to mention the main character was more likable.
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This episode was really good.
I didn't expected this anime to show dark themes like this, i guess looks can be deceiving.
Also i was expecting that Elaina would try to help the man who was turning into a flower like the majority of anime MC would do, but it turns out she's more of a realist who minds her own buisness and doesn't stick her nose where she doesn't need to, it is refreshing a MC like this.
This episode made me like this anime more.
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This was so dark and depressing but I have learned a great lesson and I lIke this epsode
 
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Not gunna lie, I absolutely love this. The pace is a little weirdly written but the realness and questions in ethics and morals is pretty damn good.

As for people complaining about her actions? I would've probably done the same thing and so would a lot of people watching regardless of what is said in the comments.

There are loads of debates coming out from this episode but here are my thoughts on it:

Firstly, there's no guarantee Nino would've lived a better life if Elana "freed" her, also she never asked to be "freed" nor asked Elena for "help". In the end, that's just people doing uncalled for "nice deeds" in the sense of personal justice.
So you save her from one hardship? Are you now going to take responsibility for all the other hardships Nino will face? She's a slave, her life isn't exactly going to be 5 star rated but it's not that bad, she has shelter, a place to sleep, looks well fed, her owners could be a lot worse. Yes I feel bad for her but compared to other kids during that period of time. She's looks pretty well off for a slave. Those were probably the thoughts which Elena had running through her head as she stayed with them for the afternoon.
Besides it's not up to Elena to motivate the Nino to live. She would just end up dependent and useless, similar to the 2nd episode where Elena said "No" to staying with Saya during her training for the magic exam. She can provide assistance but she's not willing to hold someone by their hands and guide them through life. That's a different form of "kindness". Nino needs to live for herself likewise what Elena is doing. Elena is a kid, just started her life and I doubt she's ready to be responsible for every slave she meets on the road.

If you're going to go and argue with my point, go and pick up the next homeless/orphan you see and look after them and then come back to me. xD

As for the first part with the Zombie plants, I don't see why Elena should kill off one to save the other. So what's the issue? You can call me heartless but like both are just trying to live, I don't see why it should be Elena's decision on who gets to live out of the two. Personally I don't know if I 'd have saved the guard or not either. The guard was an arsehole, the plant girl was actually nice and the guard looked a lot happier being in the arms of his "sister".

Very interesting episode tho, I do look forward to seeing what other dark shits comes out from this.
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Hanfos said:
what did i just watch
i thought this anime will be great but maybe i was wrong

this ep was horrible
a witch traveling trough the world. watching ppl suffer and dying and doesnt give a single fuck

i might drop soon if she keeps staying completely useless

So much this. This episode really makes me rethink this anime. She fucks things up in the first episode then leaves. Couldnt concentrate on the second part TBH. She seems like a worthless bystander that's just going to mess things up and leave.
 
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So basically Kino's Journey, but with a cute witch.

Sure, let's roll with that!
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Am i the only one who appreciated the realism of the story here?? There was nothing Elaina could do for the girl. If she had killed her master, she would be executed, his son would be orphaned and the girl would be no better for it, she might have been sold to another master, but that's no guarantee or necessarily any better. The way I saw it, it was Elaina witnessing cruelty and rightly determining that nothing she could do would make any difference. She isn't a hero, she is a travelling witch. This wasn't her being cynical or non-empathetic, this was here being realistic, knowing what she can and can not do. There was nothing for her to do, so she left. The same can be said in the flower field, the guy was clearly past the point of no return and Elaina didn't have some miracle in her back pocket as I (and clearly others) thought because that wouldn't be realistic, not "in-universe" nor IRL. Most people would just come to terms with the fact that the world sucks and move on, if not why is poverty a thing?
Yet so many people are accustomed to anime protagonist being walking talking "ex machinas" to the point where they judge Elaina to be a bad person even when there was nothing she would do. Tomorrow some of these people will be walking in the city, choosing not to help the beggars they see completely oblivious to the hypocrisy they are spewing on the internet. This isn't a shounen show where to protagonist can just "want" harder and come out on top, even if it were "impossible" for them.
 
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Am i the only one who appreciated the realism of the story here??


No you're not the only one, here. In fact, one of the things I appreciate about this show, compared for example to Kino's Journey, is the realism involved - and how the focus is on relatable human circumstances rather than some weird cultural gimmick (like "in this city everything's decided by a scoring system based on how well we play golf" or ridiculous crap of that kind).
 
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Am i the only one who appreciated the realism of the story here?? There was nothing Elaina could do for the girl. If she had killed her master, she would be executed, his son would be orphaned and the girl would be no better for it, she might have been sold to another master, but that's no guarantee or necessarily any better. The way I saw it, it was Elaina witnessing cruelty and rightly determining that nothing she could do would make any difference. She isn't a hero, she is a travelling witch. This wasn't her being cynical or non-empathetic, this was here being realistic, knowing what she can and can not do. There was nothing for her to do, so she left. The same can be said in the flower field, the guy was clearly past the point of no return and Elaina didn't have some miracle in her back pocket as I (and clearly others) thought because that wouldn't be realistic, not "in-universe" nor IRL. Most people would just come to terms with the fact that the world sucks and move on, if not why is poverty a thing?
Yet so many people are accustomed to anime protagonist being walking talking "ex machinas" to the point where they judge Elaina to be a bad person even when there was nothing she would do. Tomorrow some of these people will be walking in the city, choosing not to help the beggars they see completely oblivious to the hypocrisy they are spewing on the internet. This isn't a shounen show where to protagonist can just "want" harder and come out on top, even if it were "impossible" for them.


Talking about the guy in the field, she can reverse fucking time. He is not beyond saving if that is the case at least with the magic and the rules of magic that we know about. Hence she's a selfish bitch of a protagonist. Do not forget she also screwed up by bringing the flowers in town before hand resulting in this situation. She is not some bystander in the first story.
 
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