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Sep 22, 2020 3:57 AM

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What a great episode! What a great season!
The words can't describe how amazing and wonderful this season is! and no one hate or dislike this episode (at least till this moment)

Episode after another we are shocked with a new surprise and this time the surprise about Akito.
Looking forward to the final season <3
Sep 22, 2020 4:29 AM

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Now to prepare for the endgame
Don't believe the hype.
Sep 22, 2020 4:36 AM
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What a perfect way to end this season, it was just as I expected too.
So they only need one more season for the final chapters. This season had all the chapters I wanted, but there's still a lot of good ones to come so I'm super excited!

After seeing how they handled Kyo and Yuki's arc, there's no doubt in my mind that this is the perfect adaptation.

I'm going to really miss watching every week, this basically held me through quarantine. Hope the next season will air soon enough.
Sep 22, 2020 4:40 AM
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Doubts about AKITO being a female got cleared.
Gonna have to read the manga now ; don't wanna wait.

Thank You :)
Sep 22, 2020 4:56 AM

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man this episode was so packed and akito being a woman? never expected it wow. kinda cried. can't wait season 3
Sep 22, 2020 6:30 AM

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An Amazing final episode!
Akito is a girl !!
I really enjoyed watching this season and I am looking forward to the final season.9/10
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Sep 22, 2020 7:25 AM

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Don't have much to say beside 10/10 I was spoiled about her gender from a discord bot lol idk if it was much of a big shock but she still looked like a girl from many sides.

I can't wait for S3.
Sep 22, 2020 7:36 AM
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Unfortunately had the Akito thing spoiled for me on a forum during season 1, so no reaction there. Also think the Kureno Arisa "romance" is one of the dumbest developments in this series. Kureno providing hope to Tohru to be able to break the curse sounds nice but the evil parents of this season has really soured me on the whole show. Even if the curse is broken that doesn't reverse the damage done by all the horrible parents to their kids or the damage that happened to the parents mentally. This series is already a tragedy. Also Yuki giving up on Tohru already ruins any romance, though that was already ruined when smelly cat happened at the end of season one.
Sep 22, 2020 9:07 AM

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I wonder which is the "worst twist after so many hints and foreshadowing" in anime...

Akito being a girl or FSN's Archer true name?

I would be lying if I said I was surprised. I just kept saying "SAY IT. SAY.IT" during those last seconds.
Sep 22, 2020 9:44 AM
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LiterallyRising said:
Majority of the people in this thread going insane about Akito being a girl but they already mentioned in the episodes before this one that Akito was a girl.


No, they haven't. Akito's gender is never mentioned before this moment in the series. Akito is only ever referred to with he/him pronouns or by name in the English subtitles.
Sep 22, 2020 10:11 AM

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Tv Tropes spoiled Akito's gender to me but it doesn't matter, the execution couldn't have been better! This series is well on its way to become one of my favorites. The final season will probably not ve better than this one and even being just as good will be tough, so let's hope it's somewhere in between the first and second season quality wise.
Sep 22, 2020 10:30 AM

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Such an emotional season ending!

I loved it and I really liked this season more than the previous (guess I must be the only one haha) because we saw more character development for the rest of the members too, during all season and without many fillers.

I don't mind that they gave more screen time to Yuki and others because they gave enough to Kyo X Tohru in the first one and I guess will give more in the final.

But I was honestly more surprised by the fact that Kureno somehow broke the curse and did'nt transform when he hugged Tohru rather than the reveling that Akito was a girl.

It feels indifferent but they had to show it somehow. At least now, after clarifying it, is this maybe, also a reason why the rest of the zodiac members, transform and can't hug another girl?

Even if Akito felt lonely, it doesn't explain why she's still such a selfish, possessive and abusive bitch with everyone. I mean, being alone was her choice after all. Since she could have Shigure who loves her, yet she chose to force herself to Kureno by begging him to stay, having pitying sex and make Shigure jealous.

Can't wait to see the explanations in the next season!
Sep 22, 2020 11:04 AM

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that was so awesome will really miss this show
Sep 22, 2020 11:29 AM

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LilyGinnyBlack1 said:
LiterallyRising said:
Majority of the people in this thread going insane about Akito being a girl but they already mentioned in the episodes before this one that Akito was a girl.


No, they haven't. Akito's gender is never mentioned before this moment in the series. Akito is only ever referred to with he/him pronouns or by name in the English subtitles.


Actually you are correct, I got it wrong. I thought they mentioned Akito by pronouns in the beach episodes but looking back at it, I've completely got it wrong.
Sep 22, 2020 2:30 PM

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What a great episode to end S2 on.I can't wait for season 3 to air.
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Sep 22, 2020 2:35 PM

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That gender reveal was hilariously tacky and stupid, done in quite possibly the worst way they could have managed to go about it. So stupid, in fact, that it pretty much took me out of the show completely and ruined all the good work and major revelations of Kureno's backstory. I do hope there's a better explanation for the curse breaking than just "because reasons" but I'm sure the final season will cover that.

In the meantime, this was a notable improvement on season 1, with a far better balance between drama and comedy, some excellent character development throughout the cast alongside some interesting if occasionally frustrating new additions (*cough* student council *cough*). The beach arc was perhaps a little longer than it needed to be, but it was a highly interesting arc for sure.

8/10. Definitely looking forward to season 3 and seeing how this all comes to an end.
Sep 22, 2020 3:06 PM

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What a season! It was already understood that Akito was female several episodes ago, more than anything else I would like to know if she loves Kureno or not, it's clear she cares about him much more than the other members of the zodiac. The twist is the fact that the curse for Kureno is over, even if we don't know how, but the fact that he wants to stay the same by Akito's side doesn't make me understand their relationship well, it seems too unreasonable to stay close to her just because she started crying in front of you begging not to leave. I look forward to the final season for a clarification.

As for the whole season 2, my rating is 9/10. The characterization and development that Yuki has had this season is excellent, he has become one of my favorite characters, while in the first season he didn't appeal to me much. Little space for Kyo, but the scene during the trip to the sea in which he understands the feelings for Tohru is worth a lot.
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Sep 22, 2020 3:45 PM

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The scene where their bond broke literally gave me goosebumps... it was so good in a multitude of ways..

this season was amazing!! (although there was way too much focus was on yuki, rather than kyo)
Sep 22, 2020 3:49 PM

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I knew it... I knew it. That the day would come, that day.
Yes. The day I'd cry for Akito-san.
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Sep 22, 2020 4:04 PM

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Since the dumb spergs on mal couldn't keep their mouths shut mid way through season 2 I wasn't surprised by the reveal at the end. I had managed to suppress it enough that I didn't recall until we were getting the bath scene and I was like "Oh, I see where they are going."

Anyway fantastic season of Fruits Basket. This show really rubbed on me this season. I wasn't too hype back in the first cour of season one, but at this point I'm a major fan. I especially loved everything they did with Yuki this season was fantastic. Very excited for the final season and I'm sure Kureno will play a larger part given what we just found out.

Sep 22, 2020 4:21 PM

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For the last episode they adapted chapters 96-97. They wanted to end it with a big cliffhanger, because it needs 1 more episode, these are 4 connected chapters. I really don't like it that they did this, separating those 4 chapters into 2 seasons. It should have been the beginning of the 3rd season, the more serious stuff about Akito and the curse. Because it will take most of 3rd season to cover it. They should have ended the 2nd season with the 4 skipped chapters about Tooru's parents (those have some pretty schocking revelations too).

Ok, so about the episode. At 02:46 they didn't show the Kureno-Akito kiss from close up and showing Akito's back (in the manga it's obvious it's a kiss), but instead they drew them so far away and showing Kureno's back, so it looks like a hug and not a kiss. They probably didn't want us to think they are gay because they wanted to shock us with the revelation that Akito is a girl at the end of the episode. Pretty dumb, because we have seen Akito being touchy-feely with the male zodiacs a lot of times, so the anime-onlys can IMO only have 2 conclusions: 1) Akito is gay, 2) Akito is female. So why not show the kiss, LOL?

Moving on. Momiji is taller in the manga. He is as tall as Tooru now. I have already mentioned this before, Momiji also grew during the summer vacation, it has been showed multiple times in the manga that he's now as tall as Tooru, but they keep drawing him a lot smaller than Tooru in the anime, it's friggin' annoying.

Anyway, we see Rin getting along better with Tooru. We see Shigure being jealous of Kureno, because Akito "chose Kureno". We also see Shigure suspecting that Kureno isn't a zodiac anymore. Kureno watches the Cinderella-ish video and decides to tell Tooru about himself and Akito. He's no longer a zodiac, his curse was lifted. But he wants to stay by Akito's side because he can't stand seeing her cry. So he won't see Uotani ever again. Although he loves her.

And the 2nd season ends with "GASP, AKITO'S A GIRL?!". Well, I'm glad there are still people who were surprised by that, although a lot of anime-onlys have guesses it aready that Akito's a girl. Or they were spoiled by the manga readers who couldn't keep their mouths shut and watch what they were writing. I don't remember if I was surprised when I read it in the manga, because I 1st read it a looong time ago. I think I was. Since Akito looks like a pretty boy, like Yuki in the manga. And she dresses and talks and behaves like a boy.

Anyway, can't wait for the 3rd season. It should have 22 episodes based on the number of chapters left. Maybe they will add some filler and make it 25 episodes too, like first 2 seasons. Both is fine with me.
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Sep 22, 2020 8:06 PM
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This episode, this season was meant to end with what was the most amazing plot twist. Unfortunately several manga-readers had already ruined it in so many episode discussions, using pronouns without spoiler alerts. All I could feel was sadness and frustration towards the end, and it wasn't even all about Kureno, I pitied myself as well as all the other anime watchers who got this spoiled way too early.

For the minority that insists on flouting spoilers with abandon: please, Please do better.It really is quite a jerk move, and no one appreciates your superior knowledge. Use spoiler tags like all the other decent folk who've read ahead.

I'll get off my soapbox now. See you all in the final season.
Sep 22, 2020 10:42 PM

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What a last ep.. i cant even say anything bad about the last ep. Holy shit. Cant wait for Season 3
Sep 22, 2020 11:43 PM

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Wow an amazing season finale. Surprisingly, in the beginning of the series I assumed that Akito was a tom-boyish girl but with how everyone interacted with her during the first season, the show convinced me that she was actually a guy. So the show actually managed to trick me until this episode and the reveal was really effective and it blew my mind. Really can't wait for season 3 now.
Sep 23, 2020 12:35 AM

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Absolutely beautiful season, one of the few drama/SoL-genre anime I've watched that gave me so much feels and made me sad after finishing every episode, this one being no exception. Perfect finale with the shocking twist involving Kureno (I already got spoiled early on about Akito's gender). I wonder how he broke the curse. All I can say for sure though, is that he's the centerpiece and biggest clue among the zodiac family for breaking the curse. 9/10 and definitely my AOTY. This series is staying in my favorites for a good while, unless the final season surpasses it. Definitely believe it could. Seriously can't wait for the next season!


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Sep 23, 2020 5:22 AM
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Absolutely beautiful season, one of the few drama/SoL-genre anime I've watched that gave me so much feels and made me sad after finishing every episode, this one being no exception. Perfect finale with the shocking twist involving Kureno (I already got spoiled early on about Akito's gender). I wonder how he broke the curse. All I can say for sure though, is that he's the centerpiece and biggest clue among the zodiac family for breaking the curse. 9/10 and definitely my AOTY. This series is staying in my favorites for a good while, unless the final season surpasses it. Definitely believe it could. Seriously can't wait for the next season!


Kureno didn't 'break the curse' as a lot of people are phrasing it. Kureno's curse broke. There's a big difference in meaning between those two statements despite how similar they are. Kureno says in this episode that he doesn't know why the curse broke and that it just happened one day without warning.
Sep 23, 2020 9:26 AM

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Honestly Akito being a girl changes nothing. She committed way too many crimes and is a real stuck-up bitch. Imo she deserves to die a really agonizing death (along with her supporters) after being abandoned by everyone.
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Sep 23, 2020 9:44 AM

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Yoooo I didn't expect Kureno's curse to be already broken but my mans was doing pity sex with her all along, dang.

But honestly, I haven't really been a fan of the Uo & Kureno couple. Everything just happened extremely quickly and they act like they've found the love of their lives while in reality they actually don't know shit about each other. I dunno man I don't feel it.

I don't feel the Haru & Rin couple either but that's because I don't like neither of the two.

I kinda felt sad for Akito because she's surrounded by so many people yet she's the loneliest. I wonder if her horrible attitude is also related to the curse or something... But breaking the curse also means no more cursed harem of pretty bois and gals that exists exclusively for her. Tough choice..


true they kinda forced this love between uo and kureno makes it look dumb and i dont get it as well but how can u not like haru. He actually a cool character haha
if u say tohru then i will agree hahaha


I liked Haru in the first season but this season both he and Rin kept getting on my nerves. Dark Haru is fun but the other Haru is meh. And for Rin, she thinks her sad past gives her the right to treat everyone else like trash (but they don't confront her, they just overlook ot because she's Rin) and I hate it.
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Sep 23, 2020 11:18 AM
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Such a revelation and therefore a cliffhanger. Can’t wait till 2021 Season 3 finale.
Sep 23, 2020 11:21 AM

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NamelyLight said:
AllIsManga said:
Absolutely beautiful season, one of the few drama/SoL-genre anime I've watched that gave me so much feels and made me sad after finishing every episode, this one being no exception. Perfect finale with the shocking twist involving Kureno (I already got spoiled early on about Akito's gender). I wonder how he broke the curse. All I can say for sure though, is that he's the centerpiece and biggest clue among the zodiac family for breaking the curse. 9/10 and definitely my AOTY. This series is staying in my favorites for a good while, unless the final season surpasses it. Definitely believe it could. Seriously can't wait for the next season!


Kureno didn't 'break the curse' as a lot of people are phrasing it. Kureno's curse broke. There's a big difference in meaning between those two statements despite how similar they are. Kureno says in this episode that he doesn't know why the curse broke and that it just happened one day without warning.


Lol I was thinking of fixing that phrase when I typed that out, but I'm not the best with words and didn't know how to word it better so I just let it be. Now that you pointed it out though, yes, there is a huge difference in what I implied and "Kureno's curse broke" is definitely a better way to phrase it. Thanks for the correction!


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Sep 23, 2020 11:30 AM

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Damn, didn't expected that but then again was never been a hard-core fan of the show but the episode was nice.
8/10 for season (+1 for the last episode)
Sep 23, 2020 5:42 PM
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In the last minute during the episode about Arisa, I remember when Kureno entered a room inside the Soma estate to have seen some random woman approaching him and holding his face with her hands before the door was shut and it was all dark. Then, I went back a little and replayed that scene to have found that was Akito. But now that it was revealed he is a she, I thought I was right about assuming she was a woman in that episode. Wow, I was not wrong, afterall.

But that does not change the fact that she is a monster from the inside. But does that help in changing how to deal with her and the curse? Do the other characters know she is a woman? I wonder...
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They left this revelation as closing of this act, interesting ... Now I'm going to enter "to be continue..." mode.
Sep 23, 2020 8:04 PM

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Brilliant way to end it. So many revelations. Kureno has broken the curse, and does not know how? Akito is a woman??????

I will be very much looking forward to the third season. They did brilliantly with this one.
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Sep 23, 2020 8:08 PM
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Kind of underwhelming reveal for me because I had a suspicion she was a girl since so many people in the episode discussions called her "she." Otherwise, I don't know that I would have noticed. I was too busy hating her to wonder about her gender.
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NamelyLight said:
Valyrian1124 said:
Welp. Season 1 had a lot of plot progression in the first 7 episodes, and most of the rest of the season was filler. Whereas season 2 was very uneven, with episodes that were half filler, half plot. I feel like very little happened this season outside of the beach trip, the Momiji episode, and the Kureno stuff. If season 3 is just 13 episodes, then hopefully there will be a lot of plot packed into it, but if it's 25 episodes like seasons 1 and 2, then I'm guessing there will be just as much filler. I haven't read the manga so I don't know if the manga is backloaded with plot, so maybe I'm wrong.

I feel like if you had cut the filler out of the show, you could have told all of the plot up until this point in about 16-18 episodes.

Anyway, (season 2 finale) I was initially thinking that Kureno gave the rooster spirit to Akito so that Akito might fly, but it appears that the Rooster spirit is just straight up gone. Forever. Kureno lost the rooster spirit years ago, and apparently the rooster spirit hasn't manifested in any newborns within the Souma clan since then.

We still don't have a straight answer on whatt drives Akito to be an asshole, besides the stress of pretending to be someone you are not. If Kureno left Akito, I'd imagine that Akito would probably commit suicide. Who's idea was it to force their daughter to be a man in the first place, again? If you want your firstborn child to become the next clan leader, does it have to be a he? Can't go the matriarch role? If it has to be a man, then just pass the mantle onto the next most closely related heir in the family? Or someone you trust? There are hundred better ways to handle this than the crap that last Souma chose.


Such a misguided approach to this series. Fruits Basket is not a plot-driven shounen, it's character-driven. What you dismiss as "filler" is actually crucial character development, without which the story wouldn't be half as brilliant as it is. The only real filler chapter in Fruits Basket is the haunted house one.


Character driven doesn't equate to random events floating around padding character growth. Character driven shows can be concise rather than being wishy washy showcasing minor characters that aren't the focus of the character driven story (Like the setokai on Yuki's school) Filler is the right word to describe such a mishmash of a show that could had been told in half or less than the actual episodes with good directing and adecuate editing. Just because the source was meant to be a long running manga doesn't make it a "concise" one, with every single chapter being totally eventful and key to the growth of the main cast.

Fans love to bullshit others on what filler and is and what is not
Sep 24, 2020 12:14 AM
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NOW I understand why Akito called Tohru "ugly". Hearing those words from a man in that context always struck me as weird... But as a woman, it was her way of saying she was kind of jealous of her
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This season seemed to me more drawn-out and full of over-the-top melodrama than the previous one, but it was still good enough for me to give exactly the same rating. Perhaps the long-awaited continuation of the story and the appearance of new characters also played a role. Either way, I still don't regret continuing to follow this. I'm looking forward to the final season.

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NOW I understand why Akito called Tohru "ugly". Hearing those words from a man in that context always struck me as weird... But as a woman, it was her way of saying she was kind of jealous of her


Who even takes her words seriously? Her abusive behavior was always so cheesy and childish that I was always amazed at how the other characters took it painfully.
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NamelyLight said:


Such a misguided approach to this series. Fruits Basket is not a plot-driven shounen, it's character-driven. What you dismiss as "filler" is actually crucial character development, without which the story wouldn't be half as brilliant as it is. The only real filler chapter in Fruits Basket is the haunted house one.


Character driven doesn't equate to random events floating around padding character growth. Character driven shows can be concise rather than being wishy washy showcasing minor characters that aren't the focus of the character driven story (Like the setokai on Yuki's school) Filler is the right word to describe such a mishmash of a show that could had been told in half or less than the actual episodes with good directing and adecuate editing. Just because the source was meant to be a long running manga doesn't make it a "concise" one, with every single chapter being totally eventful and key to the growth of the main cast.

Fans love to bullshit others on what filler and is and what is not


Dang, you got me. Yes, the Student Council chapters that include the secondary protagonist Yuki's best friend and love interest are filler. They have absolutely nothing to do with his character driven story about breaking free from abuse and finding the connection and love he always yearned for.

There is not a single aspect of the character development that we have seen so far in Furuba that doesn't come to fruition later in the series. If you take out any of it you lose crucial understanding of the characters and the story's overarching themes suffer as a result. It's okay if you don't like the pacing and prefer concise stories but to pretend that you understand the relevance of individual events so far when you haven't experienced the endpoint is somewhat foolish. Furuba doesn't aim to be concise, but everything IS meaningful, and if you prefer concise stories then perhaps this one just isn't for you.

Funny you mention the directing and editing. Those are frequent complaints of mine as well. The use of music in this anime is particularly blunt and lacks sophistication. They don't do a great job with how they rearrange chapters either (they like to move chapters around without adding any connective tissue to maintain characters' internal states from previous chapters-- see Kyo's nonplussed attitude at NYE after the emotional turmoil of Cinderella, the result of them skipping four Kyo PoV chapters that should have come directly after Cinderella, in order to create this Akito/Kureno dramatic finale), which perhaps contributes to your feeling of it as 'mishmash'. These are all problems of the anime, which unfortunately lacks vision though it chugs along well enough to please newcomers. The manga is superior in every way, and the story as told there is brilliant.
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Baah! I would have find that last revelation of Akito's sex to be quite remarkable if some people in Fruits Basket forum didn't call her a "she."

She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did!
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damnnn i thought when kureno and akito kisses it's fucking yaoiii , but i'was totally wrong since i watch this series at beginning !!
Sep 24, 2020 11:04 AM
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And so, the truth of several not-so-well-kept secrets finally comes to light... well-played, Fruits Basket 🧐 See you in Season 3 😌
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Baah! I would have find that last revelation of Akito's sex to be quite remarkable if some people in Fruits Basket forum didn't call her a "she."

The fact that the subs went out of the way to avoid using gender pronouns first tipped me off... though i could swear there was one or two times when she/her actually snuck in there, but i could be wrong 🤔
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The ending was one of the few things I remembered from the manga. This remake is honestly just beautifully done all across the board.
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NamelyLight said:
Kimurah said:


Character driven doesn't equate to random events floating around padding character growth. Character driven shows can be concise rather than being wishy washy showcasing minor characters that aren't the focus of the character driven story (Like the setokai on Yuki's school) Filler is the right word to describe such a mishmash of a show that could had been told in half or less than the actual episodes with good directing and adecuate editing. Just because the source was meant to be a long running manga doesn't make it a "concise" one, with every single chapter being totally eventful and key to the growth of the main cast.

Fans love to bullshit others on what filler and is and what is not


Dang, you got me. Yes, the Student Council chapters that include the secondary protagonist Yuki's best friend and love interest are filler. They have absolutely nothing to do with his character driven story about breaking free from abuse and finding the connection and love he always yearned for.

There is not a single aspect of the character development that we have seen so far in Furuba that doesn't come to fruition later in the series. If you take out any of it you lose crucial understanding of the characters and the story's overarching themes suffer as a result. It's okay if you don't like the pacing and prefer concise stories but to pretend that you understand the relevance of individual events so far when you haven't experienced the endpoint is somewhat foolish. Furuba doesn't aim to be concise, but everything IS meaningful, and if you prefer concise stories then perhaps this one just isn't for you.

Funny you mention the directing and editing. Those are frequent complaints of mine as well. The use of music in this anime is particularly blunt and lacks sophistication. They don't do a great job with how they rearrange chapters either (they like to move chapters around without adding any connective tissue to maintain characters' internal states from previous chapters-- see Kyo's nonplussed attitude at NYE after the emotional turmoil of Cinderella, the result of them skipping four Kyo PoV chapters that should have come directly after Cinderella, in order to create this Akito/Kureno dramatic finale), which perhaps contributes to your feeling of it as 'mishmash'. These are all problems of the anime, which unfortunately lacks vision though it chugs along well enough to please newcomers. The manga is superior in every way, and the story as told there is brilliant.


Color me surpised, a manga fanboy that sings the same tune of "you haven't seen the end game so you can't claim that even the pettiest insignificant comedic bits in the show aren't meaningful to the finale"

I can easily call the whole episode of Ayame's cosplay store that has no real meaning other than light fanservice. Nothing in that particular episode feels meaningful when it just belches the same old story of Yuki gainig microscopic confidence on his self, wich backups my claim of being redundant and nothing but padding. Most of the comedic bits like Tohru getting lost in the forest and Yuki along with Kyo looking out for her while bickering also contributes nothing to Yuki or Kyo's character development, it's just comedic relief and more padding to sell more volumes and keep it's gullible audience entertained.

Among all your verbal fanboyish diarrea, you're right in one thing. I'm not the kind of target neither the hackjob as a writer Takaya nor the current director of the adaptaion have in mind. The kind of audience for these teen dramas are already deluded and brainwashed people that love to be bullshited with long repetitive stories that beat around the bush. I do admit I prefer a good concice story, quality over quantity is my motto.
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So uh.....is it supposed to be a surprise that Akito was a girl? I could tell she was one after just a couple scenes with her. I mean ig it might be different in a manga vs an anime, but she sounded very obviously female and acted like it too....
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NamelyLight said:


Dang, you got me. Yes, the Student Council chapters that include the secondary protagonist Yuki's best friend and love interest are filler. They have absolutely nothing to do with his character driven story about breaking free from abuse and finding the connection and love he always yearned for.

There is not a single aspect of the character development that we have seen so far in Furuba that doesn't come to fruition later in the series. If you take out any of it you lose crucial understanding of the characters and the story's overarching themes suffer as a result. It's okay if you don't like the pacing and prefer concise stories but to pretend that you understand the relevance of individual events so far when you haven't experienced the endpoint is somewhat foolish. Furuba doesn't aim to be concise, but everything IS meaningful, and if you prefer concise stories then perhaps this one just isn't for you.

Funny you mention the directing and editing. Those are frequent complaints of mine as well. The use of music in this anime is particularly blunt and lacks sophistication. They don't do a great job with how they rearrange chapters either (they like to move chapters around without adding any connective tissue to maintain characters' internal states from previous chapters-- see Kyo's nonplussed attitude at NYE after the emotional turmoil of Cinderella, the result of them skipping four Kyo PoV chapters that should have come directly after Cinderella, in order to create this Akito/Kureno dramatic finale), which perhaps contributes to your feeling of it as 'mishmash'. These are all problems of the anime, which unfortunately lacks vision though it chugs along well enough to please newcomers. The manga is superior in every way, and the story as told there is brilliant.


Color me surpised, a manga fanboy that sings the same tune of "you haven't seen the end game so you can't claim that even the pettiest insignificant comedic bits in the show aren't meaningful to the finale"

I can easily call the whole episode of Ayame's cosplay store that has no real meaning other than light fanservice. Nothing in that particular episode feels meaningful when it just belches the same old story of Yuki gainig microscopic confidence on his self, wich backups my claim of being redundant and nothing but padding. Most of the comedic bits like Tohru getting lost in the forest and Yuki along with Kyo looking out for her while bickering also contributes nothing to Yuki or Kyo's character development, it's just comedic relief and more padding to sell more volumes and keep it's gullible audience entertained.

Among all your verbal fanboyish diarrea, you're right in one thing. I'm not the kind of target neither the hackjob as a writer Takaya nor the current director of the adaptaion have in mind. The kind of audience for these teen dramas are already deluded and brainwashed people that love to be bullshited with long repetitive stories that beat around the bush. I do admit I prefer a good concice story, quality over quantity is my motto.


Mate, you didn't say that you thought comedic moments were filler. You called the Student Council characters filler, which they categorically are not. Stop moving the goalposts.

Ayame's cosplay episode deepens the relationship between Ayame and Yuki by showing that they have more in common than Yuki thought, introduces an endearing character in Mine and allows Yuki another chance to awkwardly flirt with Tohru, which is tied directly to his confused feelings and need to understand what she means to him.

If you know you're not the target audience of this story then perhaps you can stop hate watching Fruits Basket or at least refrain from declaring yourself and your opinions enlightened compared to the rest of us who enjoy it. Such bad-faith criticism from someone who does their best to unironically channel the hubris and self-aggrandizement of Simon Cowell is ultimately devoid of any meaningful point.
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So uh.....is it supposed to be a surprise that Akito was a girl? I could tell she was one after just a couple scenes with her. I mean ig it might be different in a manga vs an anime, but she sounded very obviously female and acted like it too....


Yes, this twist worked a lot better in the manga, where the lack of a female VA made it next to impossible to know that Akito was a woman.
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Oh sweet baby Jesus, I did not see the Rooster having already broken the curse. Without even knowing how. Given that plot twist at the end though mayhaps Akito throws out some pheromones. Lets face it, most the zodiac male and it would explain the horse girl being anti zodiac from the start. Damn, this is a major cliff hanger and if we dont get another season I'm going to mobilse the BLM movement to burn down some more cities until we get it!
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Oh sweet baby Jesus, I did not see the Rooster having already broken the curse.


I know it is a small thing, but the passive voice is important here. The Rooster (Kureno) didn't break his curse. His curse was broken.
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