| I wish I could've put it into a shorter title, but this is getting downright frustrating. I cannot tell you how many times I have looked at reviews for ecchi titles such as Kiss X Sis, Testament of New Sister Devil, or Val X Love, and seen that half of the fucking reviews are complaining about otaku pandering, that it doesn't have enough plot, or that all the female characters exist solely to be love interests. Seriously, cut it out. I don't fucking watch yaoi and then complain about how gay it is. I just don't watch yaoi. I don't complain about yaoi's existence just because I have no interest in watching it. I just don't watch it. And I especially don't watch yaoi shows seemingly for the sole purpose of hitting them with a low score and a whiny review. For Ecchi fans like myself, I'd seriously like to go onto an ecchi anime and actually see reviews from fellow ecchi fans who can specify how intense the ecchi is and what kind of people it should appeal to. It is pure exposure ecchi? Is it an intimacy based borderline hentai type ecchi? Is the focus on panty shots or nudity? Is there yuri in it? What are the characters like? Are there any relatable characters for horndogs such as myself or do they have another borderline asexual MC who fights off his harem like a grade schooler who hasn't hit puberty yet and thinks girls have cooties? Instead what I'm treated to is countless reviews created by people who clearly have an inherent problem with the genre in of itself. How hard is it if you are a frigid prude who doesn't like sexy girls to not watch animes that revolve around sexy girls and then criticize that anime for revolving around sexy girls? Why is it that when it comes to every other genre, people seem to have enough common sense to avoid genres of entertainment that are clearly not meant for them, except when it comes to ecchi? And its not just reviews, because of this, fantastic animes like Kiss X Sis, Yosuga No Sora, Valkyrie Drive, and Oniichan No Koto get shitty scores because of all the frigid prudes who don't seem to know how to read genre tags or title summaries. |
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| Check out Peter Grill's score, it started at 6.00, now nearly 4. And the episode poll's got one vote raided, too. I'll never understand how people whine about a show having ecchi in it when it's clearly tagged ecchi. |
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| This. Good ecchi is good. And bad ecchi is bad. And Peter Grill is trash. |
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| Well I do agree about reviewing things that lead to misunderstandings. But I have to say that sometimes something that I think is relatively entertaining and enjoyable I will rate 4/10 or 5/10. It's stupid to rate something you supposedly enjoy low. But at least I don't write misleading reviews about anime. Reason is that it will reflect only my subjective opinion. I might recommend, but not review. |
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Tropisch said: Check out Peter Grill's score, it started at 6.00, now nearly 4. And the episode poll's got one vote raided, too. I'll never understand how people whine about a show having ecchi in it when it's clearly tagged ecchi. I didn't know about Peter Grill, but seeing those reviews is exactly what I am talking about in this thread. It makes me really want to watch that anime now and I am putting it on my PTW list because it actually does look pretty good to me. Its not even just the tags though. I mean, how the hell do you read that summary and come away with the impression that its going to be anything but a hard ecchi show with lots of sex in it? wape said: This post reminds me of Peter Grill (episode 5 as of now). What a fucking trash that is. At this point they're not even trying anymore. By the way, Kill la Kill is my favorite ecchi anime. Wish they did more like that. Ecchi does not need to be sophisticated. Ecchi is for people like me who enjoy sexual content for the sake of sexual content but don't like hardcore porn like is present in hentai. If it has a good story, then great, I'll rate it even higher. But an ecchi that is literally just sexiness and dirty jokes and that's it can still be a good show. |
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| well i rate my ecchis high i have rated interspecies reviewers 10 lol |
| Those people are little bit special in that they look for things they hate and watch them just to complain. |
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| The key is to just stop giving a shit about reviews and enjoy your ecchi. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Seriously, cut it out. I don't fucking watch yaoi and then complain about how gay it is. Because people watch ecchi/harems and then complain about..  ..how straight it is? |
mateo72 said: Monogatari is tagged as ecchi tho...If KonoSuba or Monogatari would have been tagged as Ecchi their score would go doooown |
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| tbh, why care about the score anyway, everyone has different tastes and according to popular opinion, people don't like ecchi. yeah, I guess disliking the genre just because why not, isn't so much of a valid reason especially when people go out of their way to dislike bomb all ecchi. but it is a reason nonetheless. I mean, look at the dumb anime that made it into the top 100. |
| Completely agree. There are people (especially some of my friends) who say ecchi is bad because they have nudity. Like what? If you don't like the nudity or any other sexual things, don't watch the damn show. And the same people who are saying these things are the same exact people who watch fantastic "ecchi" anime like Kill la Kill and give it around -3 points for being even the slightest bit ecchi. |
| Same goes to all genres mostly I see it in isekai. This anime might be good but it is "enter random genre" so its total trash and shouldn't even exist . Even if its strange its common in west fans, they start watching anime even when they hate genre then they watch few mins of it, drop it (sometimes they drop it just from trailer or random video) and trashtalking about it on MAL. I also can't understand why they wasting time on watching animes with genres they hate and then trashtalking about them and decreasing total rank of possible good anime this is also reason why I don't care what ranking it has when deciding what to watch because there are people like that. |
hiraishinxSep 20, 2020 4:16 AM
| Same thing with Isekais. People just don't learn. You can't come into a certain anime expecting X when it'll 99% of the times won't be X. Don't like it? Just drop it. |
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| To be fair, yaoi isn't really all that gay. Viewing the uke as a girl doesn't really effect the relationship in most shows. |
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| people need to stop getting pressed about ratings on this site |
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Theo1899 said: The key is to just stop giving a shit about reviews and enjoy your ecchi. The problem is, I would most likely ignore the shows rated below 6. Because there is a high chance they might suck. So I might miss out on a show that I would have liked. If someone reduces the score because they found fanservice in echhi anime, they really need to reconsider their life choices. |
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Ryuk9428 said: I'd seriously like to go onto an ecchi anime and actually see reviews from fellow ecchi fans who can specify how intense the ecchi is and what kind of people it should appeal to. It is pure exposure ecchi? Is it an intimacy based borderline hentai type ecchi? Is the focus on panty shots or nudity? This is the funniest shit I've read in a long time. Specially the "how intense is it" bit, the mental image of someone going "Yes, but how INTENSE was the panty exposure?" is just very funny to me. But, that's just because I don't have a big interest in "ecchi" in general. Kill la Kill for example, works the fan service into the plot and is the better for it but in general I've grown out of getting excited by anime tits and ass just for the sake of it. I get that some people enjoy it though, and I agree with you that if you don't have an interest in it (and tbh, you don't even need to watch one to know if you do or don't) then you shouldn't be leaving scathing reviews that pull a show down for things that it was never trying to do well in the first place. It's like a guy writing a review on DBZ and complaining that there was little to no romance. Yeah, mate. Cos it's a battle shounen. |
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| The worst part is that the best ecchi with a strong female lead get lower ratings than the ones with the blandest most obnoxious self insert male leads. Like how the fuck is Manyuu Hikenchou below Maken-Ki? And how do people manage to stand Rito in To-LOVE Ru? |
| I don't like ecchi barring a few exceptions. But that's because I want more then just panty shots and big boobs. If I watch an anime with ecchi elements I want my plot and multi faceted characters to go with it. Ecchi just generally cheapens an anime for me. Some like the OP want just the sexy stuff, and others between them and me want a more well rounded anime that adds and makes the ecchi better. Or maybe they even came into an ecchi based on the plot synopsis, not necessarily for the lewd parts. People can review an anime how they want. MAL is probably not the best place if you just want specific reviews on the porno stuff. |
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| Most ecchi shows just repeat the same jokes and have the same characters over and over again, as a genre ecchi is very stale. There are some good stuff like 'Golden Boy', 'Interspecies Reviewers' and 'Lupin the Third: The Woman called Fujiko Mine' but the rest are absolute repetitive trash. |
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| It's not low because it's ecchi lol. Being ecchi is usually accompanied by idiot plot armor, stupid cringe situations, overused tropes, and some sort of turn off. Ecchi correlates to certain things people don't like, hence the general low scores. I can prove that it's not because it's ecchi using Food Wars and Kill la Kill, both of which are massively popular shows above an 8 which make massive use of it. Ecchi just usually also happens to be "bad", not ecchi is "bad". |
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| This. The beauty of an anime like KissxSis is exactly the fact that it has no drama or history. It's just funny and erotic, and that's why i love it so much. If you are watching ecchis, don't expect nothing deep. |
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| And that's why i always recommend to avoid reviews on MAL. |
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FullyCharged said: This. 80% of everything man made is average or bad, ecchi is no exception. Nobody would expect more than 1 in 10 sci-fi or another "serious" genre to be good. either.Good ecchi is good. And bad ecchi is bad. And Peter Grill is trash. Ecchi for many people striving for a career in the anime industry is a necessary evil in early career stages. Unsurprisingly many ecchi are done by inexperienced staff because they are considered "easy". Quality ecchi only happens when somebody who is both talented and loves his kink embraces the tag / genre and keeps going with it, with ever growing budget and professionalism. The Russ Meyers of anime, so to say. Some names I'd associate with this are Kunihiko Ikuhara, Akiyuki Shinbou, Masamune Shirow, and Teruaki Murakami - there are probably more. Other great talent vanishes from the public eye because they continue to work in the eroge and hentai industry, for example Hiroaki Sato who was the animation director for Akira and wrote cyberpunk's most undeservedly forgotten gem, Key the Metal Idol. This guy embraced his passion and worked for legendary hentai studio AT-2, also home to Akiyuki Shinbou for a while. We can only speculate which exceptional hentai and eroge stories he wrote, because pseudonymous is so common in that part of the industry. My guess would be that guro-classic Pigeon Blood is a Shinbou/Sato product, and the Eroge White Album 2 is also by Sato. But we'll never know for sure probably. Long story short: A lot of ecchi is the trash it is because of the way it's creators are treated. This leaves the bad and the inexperienced staffers, who are not given budget either. Shit in shit out principle applies. And given the "special quality" of even bad ecchi for a horny teenage otaku audience, the industry has little incentive to change that. When shit sells well, why change the model? |
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| SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN BACK!!!! The fact that people who don't like ecchi and then go out of there way to watch it and shit on it is so weird to me. Like why are watching a show in a genre that you don't like and then complain that it has the clichés of that genre. Like what did you expect? Also I love Kill la Kill and The Monogatari Series but can people please stop using those as examples of good ecchi anime I am so sick of seeing be the only example used to represent the good of the genre. |
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| I rated alot of ecchi series high but I can't lie that I suspect that most ecchi anime is garbage, like, even more than isekai or most other kinds. It's not becuase it is ecchi but because the producers don't have as many reasons to make an effort since it will easily meet it objective of being horny. I know that the most important thing about ecchi is the lewd stuff but if you are going to give it a plot too better make it good. But let alone the reason why I'm okay when I see ecchi getting low numbers I'm sure there is alot of Dumb fucks complaning over it because it made them cringe or boobs and stuff, but that is also tru of every genre, rigth? |
N04L1TYSep 20, 2020 8:46 AM
| heh. |
Crow_Black said: Yet these same people who cry about women in ecchi being sexualised gets horny over male fanservice in free. There is a difference though (not the horny part) The male characters in free are doing a sport where they require a level of undress. And they are appreciated for the overall physique. The lingering shots do make it fanservice but it's not like they are half naked for no reason. Female characters in ecchi on the other hand get undressed or expose themselves for little reason. And are mostly appreciated for certain physical attributes not their overall fitness level. And those physical attributes are mostly localised to boobs and butts and vaginas. And often exaggerated. |
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UberBat said: Crow_Black said: Yet these same people who cry about women in ecchi being sexualised gets horny over male fanservice in free. There is a difference though (not the horny part) The male characters in free are doing a sport where they require a level of undress. And they are appreciated for the overall physique. The lingering shots do make it fanservice but it's not like they are half naked for no reason. Female characters in ecchi on the other hand get undressed or expose themselves for little reason. And are mostly appreciated for certain physical attributes not their overall fitness level. And those physical attributes are mostly localised to boobs and butts and vaginas. And often exaggerated. Lmao this is some really nice mental gymnastics. |
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AstZero said: UberBat said: There is a difference though (not the horny part) The male characters in free are doing a sport where they require a level of undress. And they are appreciated for the overall physique. The lingering shots do make it fanservice but it's not like they are half naked for no reason. Female characters in ecchi on the other hand get undressed or expose themselves for little reason. And are mostly appreciated for certain physical attributes not their overall fitness level. And those physical attributes are mostly localised to boobs and butts and vaginas. And often exaggerated. Lmao this is some really nice mental gymnastics. It's true though. Males and females are held to a different standard. |
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| Some "ecchies" didn't satisfied people.. Like, how the girl react, how the boy should do, soft hentai.. People wants the girl should react like what people's want, and the boy should do like people's want.. IMO, every anime (and every ecchies anime) have their own uniqueness on how to satisfied the watchers.. If you didn't satisfied by watching half-hearted echhies, just go watch hentai.. It solved the problem directly instead of looking for a hotter ecchies than the previous one 😅 |
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I'm on the ace spectrum so no it doesn't really turn me on. |
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| I look at this and just get overwhelmed by feelings of "Why do I bother?" I should just leave people like you to the wolves. |
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| No I don't think I will,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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UberBat said: Crow_Black said: Yet these same people who cry about women in ecchi being sexualised gets horny over male fanservice in free. There is a difference though (not the horny part) The male characters in free are doing a sport where they require a level of undress. And they are appreciated for the overall physique. The lingering shots do make it fanservice but it's not like they are half naked for no reason. Female characters in ecchi on the other hand get undressed or expose themselves for little reason. And are mostly appreciated for certain physical attributes not their overall fitness level. And those physical attributes are mostly localised to boobs and butts and vaginas. And often exaggerated. Who fucking cares, just fap to Free! and objectify the characters instead of trying to come up with some weird explanation for why its different. Murilouco said: This. The beauty of an anime like KissxSis is exactly the fact that it has no drama or history. It's just funny and erotic, and that's why i love it so much. If you are watching ecchis, don't expect nothing deep. That's one thing I really appreciated about Kiss X Sis was that they didn't feel the need to insert an unnecessary conflict into the story. There are actually a lot of values and novel ideas being supported in Kiss X Sis without shoving it in your face that that's what they are doing. Armados said: lol... what do you want people to rate Ecchi for then? All Ecchi shows rely entirely on nudety and explicit and implicit sexual situations. There aren't any other redeeming qualities for such shows. If you want sexual content this much there is always hentai. Do you want people to treat Ecchi shows as "high quality" adaptations even when the original creators have no idea what they were doing other than going with "Ohohoh boobs, oh she fell and we saw her panties, oh she fell on his face so he ended up sniffing her panties wowowowow"? How many times do I have to explain this to people? I don't like hardcore porn. Its not interesting or arousing to me. I like the soft nature of ecchi. Hard ecchi shows like Kiss X Sis and Valkyrie Drive are about as hardcore as I ever want my porn to go. |
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That is still besides the point.... |
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inim said: Quality ecchi only happens when somebody who is both talented and loves his kink embraces the tag / genre and keeps going with it, with ever growing budget and professionalism. The Russ Meyers of anime, so to say. OMG. I never thought I would see Russ Meyer reference on MAL. Now there's a man who truly loves his "ecchi" and know how to show off his kinks on film. Faster Pussycat Kill Kill is hilariously wacky and pure camp. I fucking love that film. Now that's how to do ecchi, they should make an anime of that. |
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DrSexy said: Most ecchi shows just repeat the same jokes and have the same characters over and over again, as a genre ecchi is very stale. There are some good stuff like 'Golden Boy', 'Interspecies Reviewers' and 'Lupin the Third: The Woman called Fujiko Mine' but the rest are absolute repetitive trash. That's the case here and OP didn't include it in his post. People who don't like certain stuff usually avoid watching it. I do it myself. But when I see something interesting and a legion of people claiming it to be "not a regular isekai/ecchi", I of course might give it a try. The thing is... If it ends up to be another generic isekai or ecchi of low quality (even by these genres' standards), then what? I can't do anything else than criticize its cons and leave a low score. |
Armados said: Where exactly have you seen an Ecchi show that tries to come up with something new? Say what you want about the infamous toothbrush scene from Nisemonogatari. It was definitely new. I had never seen erotic teeth brushing before. Lol. |
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