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Jun 10, 2020 8:33 PM
#1
| Crunchyroll ask us to let them know if we are looking for season 2, let them know! https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2020/06/10-1/loyalties-are-tested-in-tower-of-god-episode-11 |
Jun 10, 2020 9:57 PM
#2
| Great that they're thinking about it, let's comment everyone!! :))) |
Jun 10, 2020 9:58 PM
#3
| Oh boi, cant wait to see the studio crammed 337 chapters to 12 episodes |
Jun 10, 2020 10:13 PM
#4
| S2 would be great but I hope it has more episodes, S1 while very enjoyable is rushed. The source material deserves better |
Jun 10, 2020 11:28 PM
#5
| When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleast 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) . Which can be divided into 4-5 anime season. first part of which should cover up to workshop arc (which would be best place to end a season) of about 24 eps. 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) |
ZombiedubJun 11, 2020 8:28 AM
Jun 11, 2020 7:51 AM
#6
| I just hope a different director will continue the series. |
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Jun 11, 2020 8:00 AM
#7
Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with |
Jun 11, 2020 8:24 AM
#8
ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with Well I don't mean animes s2 will get 100 episodes. Webtoon s2 will take 100 eps. Webtoon s2 can be divided into 4-5 arcs. So that won't be a problem though my wordings are giving wrong sense. I will edit it |
ZombiedubJun 11, 2020 8:29 AM
Jun 11, 2020 8:39 AM
#9
TheNamelessGuy said: I just hope a different director will continue the series. Ya I not been impressed with the directing they add unnecessary stuff while skipping important stuff. Also changing tension in scenes has also been bad. |
Jun 11, 2020 9:30 AM
#10
ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). |
hd_nexusJun 11, 2020 9:43 AM
Jun 11, 2020 11:51 AM
#11
hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general |
Jun 11, 2020 12:43 PM
#12
| Honestly, I would much rather want a reboot of the series. The show already created so much confusion about the world of ToG and anime-only plotholes in such a way that what will happen in season 2 will make the anime-onlies even more confused. Also, there is no way they can explain Shinsu, everyone should know about it at that point in the story. However, if they do adapt season 2 I hope it's not from the same studio, especially the director( Just fire that guy already.) |
Jun 11, 2020 12:52 PM
#13
Manhwa is on a hiatus. Whenever I hear Tower of God, I feel depressed, oof.  |
Jun 11, 2020 2:43 PM
#14
| I hope they’ll do a second season. I want to see some parts animated. |
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Jun 11, 2020 4:00 PM
#15
GhostRO123 said: Honestly, I would much rather want a reboot of the series. The show already created so much confusion about the world of ToG and anime-only plotholes in such a way that what will happen in season 2 will make the anime-onlies even more confused. Also, there is no way they can explain Shinsu, everyone should know about it at that point in the story. However, if they do adapt season 2 I hope it's not from the same studio, especially the director( Just fire that guy already.) We don’t need a reboot. Just tell them to read the webtoon |
Jun 12, 2020 4:09 AM
#16
| Rather watch paint dry than watch the incredibly talentless staff at Telecom Animation FIlm continuing to ruing Tower of God. |
Jun 12, 2020 2:19 PM
#17
Kendosuck said: Rather watch paint dry than watch the incredibly talentless staff at Telecom Animation FIlm continuing to ruing Tower of God. you know nothin' its one of best anime adaptation ever made (: |
Jun 12, 2020 3:22 PM
#18
rousseau888 said: Kendosuck said: Rather watch paint dry than watch the incredibly talentless staff at Telecom Animation FIlm continuing to ruing Tower of God. you know nothin' its one of best anime adaptation ever made (: That has to be either a joke or the biggest KEKW |
Jun 12, 2020 7:32 PM
#19
| I would say that the direction was commendable, not great but fine. Problems: 1. No beautiful BG art at least 50% of the time. I mean, Crunchyroll handled Dr. Stone. I am pretty sure they could have used their imagination since the author was pretty bad at art at this point and hence there were less BGs in the manhwa. 2. Very less Sakuga moments 1 or 2 / episode. Is it Black Clover or what? I am not saying Black Clover is bad, rather Black Clover is a weekly anime and still produces few rare good scenes. 3. Music is good but cuts abruptly in many scenes. I could never miss this. Its like stopping a good music midway. I think this is the only anime I have seen something like this happen. |
ioisroJun 12, 2020 7:46 PM
Jun 12, 2020 8:58 PM
#20
| Lets just hope they make the Workshop arc around 24 episodes. At that pace I can expect the rest of 'Season 2' to be adapted with around 96 episodes, that would be a pretty well paced episode count. At this point in the season I am liking the first season of the anime better than the first season of the Webtoon. However they will need to change the art-style somewhat next season, mostly due to the fact that TOG's artstyle has changed so much since it first started. Other than that I think the next season is in capable hands. |
removed-userJun 12, 2020 9:05 PM
Jun 13, 2020 6:03 AM
#21
ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. |
ZombiedubJun 13, 2020 6:19 AM
Jun 13, 2020 5:04 PM
#22
Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it |
Jun 13, 2020 6:20 PM
#23
ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it You're wrong. 1 - There is no way to know how many subs Crunchyroll got with ToG, but probably they got quite a few. ToG is their most popular anime this season and this is undeniable, just look at the number of reviews and votes for each episode compared to other animes that have been on their platform for over a year. If you compare with animes that were very popular on Crunchyroll like Dr.Stone, Shield Hero, Haikyuu, Re:Zero, Goblin Slayer, JoJo, you will see that number of votes are not so different. And not only that, whenever ToG launches an episode it reaches the top of popular animes, and remain on top 1-2 throughout the week. 2 - It is not just a matter of "earning new subs with the anime", it is a matter of having content for your previous subscribers, new subscribers are just an extra. Crunchyroll is losing a lot of titles to other streaming companies, and telling the truth, if it continues like that how many animes will they have per season? 2-3?. If they don't invest in animes that are successful on their platform, soon subscribers will lose interest and go to other platforms that have more interesting names. 3 - Japan has a lot of importance in the anime industry? Yeah, but streaming is getting bigger, especially in China. Blu-ray DVD's sales are getting lower every year. And you can see that animes that were not successful in Japan are receiving new seasons, something that you didn't see years ago and that will probably be more and more normal. 4 - Did the pandemic help ToG? Yes, that is a fact. But it would probably still be popular without it, the anime only ended up becoming even more popular because of it. And that's bad? Of course not, the more popular, the more people will be interested in a second season. So I don't see how this is a problem for a possible second season. 5 - It is not only Crunchyroll that dictates whether there will be a second season or not. We have: A - The profit that NAVER WEBTOON will get with the anime. It had 4 million subs globally, and probably after the anime will have 1.5 million new subs. On the English webtoon website, the manhwa went from 1.6M subs before the anime to 2M, and also went from 22M ratings to 29M. So it is interesting for them if they produce a second season? Yes, since this is the worst season of the manhwa, adapting S2 will bring even more readers. B- Chinese streaming profit plus Korean streaming profit plus streaming profit in Asia. - Indonesia and Thailand have together 1.4M subs on their Webtoon website-. C - Finally, what would be an extra for the producers: The profit in japan with sales of BDVD + sales of the manhwa chapters. And I think ToG has a considerable fanbase there, from what I've read the manhwa have 300k followers. .... I took information from reddit and myanimelist .... |
hd_nexusJun 13, 2020 7:22 PM
Jun 13, 2020 6:23 PM
#24
| It seems made with a second season in mind. |
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Jun 13, 2020 6:42 PM
#25
| Hate to be that guy but I'm hoping it gets better by the 2nd Season (if it gets confirmed) because holy fuck, I'm so BORED of this show. Shounens don't usually bore me but this show right now is equivalent to taking sleeping pills. |
jc9622Jun 13, 2020 6:46 PM
Jun 13, 2020 6:44 PM
#26
| @Zombiedub Didn't said that you're wrong, said that @ayaan692 is wrong. I quoted him XD. jc9622 said: Hate to be that guy but I'm hoping it gets better by the 2nd Season (if it gets confirmed) because holy fuck, I'm so BORED of this show. Shounens don't usually bore me but this show right now is equivalent to taking sleeping pills. I don't blame you, it's totally understandable. I also found the first season boring when I read it. I only started to like the manhwa at the very end of the first season onwards. |
hd_nexusJun 13, 2020 6:56 PM
Jun 13, 2020 6:56 PM
#27
hd_nexus said: [quote=hd_nexus message=60008394]@Zombiedub Didn't said that you're wrong, said that @ayaan692 is wrong. I quoted him XD. Oops!! Sorry for that I will delete it. And I completely agree with you there. |
Jun 13, 2020 7:31 PM
#28
ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) |
ZombiedubJun 13, 2020 7:53 PM
Jun 13, 2020 9:42 PM
#29
Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade |
ayaan692Jun 13, 2020 9:53 PM
Jun 14, 2020 1:18 AM
#30
ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. |
ZombiedubJun 14, 2020 1:40 AM
Jun 14, 2020 4:57 AM
#31
Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned |
ayaan692Jun 14, 2020 5:02 AM
Jun 14, 2020 6:02 AM
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ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls |
ZombiedubJun 14, 2020 7:25 AM
Jun 14, 2020 6:48 AM
#33
| They've basically confirmed we're getting an S2 by asking "Are you excited for season 2?" at the bottom of the article. So no need to debate whether we'd get an S2 or not. |
Jun 14, 2020 7:28 AM
#34
Inferno792 said: They've basically confirmed we're getting an S2 by asking "Are you excited for season 2?" at the bottom of the article. So no need to debate whether we'd get an S2 or not. Well it is not just about that. My point is that it is a hit(not a mega hit or something but is surely profiting for sure) for sure and he's point is that it is barely on the gain side. |
Jun 14, 2020 7:41 AM
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| Watch them absolutely butcher this series, it'll genuinely make me laugh |
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Jun 14, 2020 9:55 AM
#36
Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls 1. i was explaining to you why shield hero, promised neverland and dr stone are much bigger than tog and shouldnt be compared to. and why they are getting a season 2 while tog might not. you misunderstood it as me comparing their CR performance which i was not. i also never said that tog is doing bad on cr i just said that it needs a lot more for an anime to be successful then doing decent on 1 streaming site. CR itself wont make a lot of profit with it.if you watched the video you would see how badly it is doing on other streaming sites 2. i didnt said mal isnt reliable either just stop putting words in my mouth my critic was on judging the success of a series on its score. pretty sure i even gave an example for it. but you cant ignore the member difference doubling tog and i did consider that the last 2 episode will have raise the count a bit but i guarantee you it wont be even close to the other 3 series im sure even you will agree with that. mal is not a deciding factor of course but it does give a perspective how big the audience of the series is. the deciding factor is the performance in japan which tog has to almost 0 did you watch the video? 3. lol anitrends just gave weekly trends on the best characters of the season if we go to the top airing anime this season tog isnt even in the top 2 you kinda shot yourself in the foot here the last time they were at the top was may 10 it was also the only time this season. you didnt replied to most of my previous points at all so first answer to that then i can answer to the "stats" you are so proud of also if you want me answer to these "stats" then post it here im discussing with you right now not with hd_nexus so dont see the point of looking at his claims and then answer it to you. im also getting tired of all these little taunts im assuming we both are old enough to have a discussion without getting toxic |
Jun 14, 2020 12:03 PM
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ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls 1. i was explaining to you why shield hero, promised neverland and dr stone are much bigger than tog and shouldnt be compared to. and why they are getting a season 2 while tog might not. you misunderstood it as me comparing their CR performance which i was not. i also never said that tog is doing bad on cr i just said that it needs a lot more for an anime to be successful then doing decent on 1 streaming site. CR itself wont make a lot of profit with it.if you watched the video you would see how badly it is doing on other streaming sites 2. i didnt said mal isnt reliable either just stop putting words in my mouth my critic was on judging the success of a series on its score. pretty sure i even gave an example for it. but you cant ignore the member difference doubling tog and i did consider that the last 2 episode will have raise the count a bit but i guarantee you it wont be even close to the other 3 series im sure even you will agree with that. mal is not a deciding factor of course but it does give a perspective how big the audience of the series is. the deciding factor is the performance in japan which tog has to almost 0 did you watch the video? 3. lol anitrends just gave weekly trends on the best characters of the season if we go to the top airing anime this season tog isnt even in the top 2 you kinda shot yourself in the foot here the last time they were at the top was may 10 it was also the only time this season. you didnt replied to most of my previous points at all so first answer to that then i can answer to the "stats" you are so proud of also if you want me answer to these "stats" then post it here im discussing with you right now not with hd_nexus so dont see the point of looking at his claims and then answer it to you. im also getting tired of all these little taunts im assuming we both are old enough to have a discussion without getting toxic 1&2. First why did TOG have to be on top to be even considered it is making profit. That just doesn't make sense . And about your video it didn't give any reliable info just assuming things (and it did say that It will be enough to fund future seasons at least.so it just adds to my point). And so according to you tog will never catch 500k-600k like shield hero and Dr. Stone. Just for your info kaguya s1 member count is ~600k but s2 is now at 300k (with 2 episodes remaining like TOG) so is it just average? Nope, it is big hit and with time it will eventually cross 500k or 600k (not all people watch when a series is airing) in same way TOG members will rise and it will also reach around 500k or 600k (like shield hero or Dr. Stone) . To back up that fact is that it is just 20k behind kaguya (which has huge advantage of pre s1 loyal fans from the start). So your logic is meaningless. If Arifureta wasn't successful then why did it get s2 announcement? And why is deciding factor is performance in Japan? CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN. That's why they didn't even put much effort in advertisement in JAPAN. From start their main scope was west.if it were deciding factors CR would have gone all out there and have put more money in advertising TOG there which they don't. Vinland SAGA was flop in JAPAN but did good in west and in CHINA and other Asian countries and get s2. On CR TOG is doing way better than DR. STONE and The PROMISES NEVERLAND. And is doing similar to SHIELD HERO (expected to catch up to it in future or atleast get close it). 3.lol so KAGUYA is way bad than TOG by your logic. Again why it have to be on 1st in every way just to prove it is a hit (that bar is for something like best anime of the season or AOTY. I don't recall that to have anything with this discussion unless u believe it is contender for it). Your remark here is funny. If anything you are hammering nail in your foot there lol. If anything it is doing good everywhere (except Japan, VINLAND SAGA also did terrible though is a success and CR didn't expect much from JAPAN to begin with .).TOG every week get 1st position on CR as most popular anime (it did drop to 3rd and vice versa).i believe it is enough. Though will hear you out again (but not if you ignores all these positives stats) Though if you still want to believe that TOG is not doing good then be satisfied with it cuz then I don't think I will be able to convince you. And if you are offended in anyway, then it's not my purpose. |
ZombiedubJun 14, 2020 12:23 PM
Jun 14, 2020 2:07 PM
#38
Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls 1. i was explaining to you why shield hero, promised neverland and dr stone are much bigger than tog and shouldnt be compared to. and why they are getting a season 2 while tog might not. you misunderstood it as me comparing their CR performance which i was not. i also never said that tog is doing bad on cr i just said that it needs a lot more for an anime to be successful then doing decent on 1 streaming site. CR itself wont make a lot of profit with it.if you watched the video you would see how badly it is doing on other streaming sites 2. i didnt said mal isnt reliable either just stop putting words in my mouth my critic was on judging the success of a series on its score. pretty sure i even gave an example for it. but you cant ignore the member difference doubling tog and i did consider that the last 2 episode will have raise the count a bit but i guarantee you it wont be even close to the other 3 series im sure even you will agree with that. mal is not a deciding factor of course but it does give a perspective how big the audience of the series is. the deciding factor is the performance in japan which tog has to almost 0 did you watch the video? 3. lol anitrends just gave weekly trends on the best characters of the season if we go to the top airing anime this season tog isnt even in the top 2 you kinda shot yourself in the foot here the last time they were at the top was may 10 it was also the only time this season. you didnt replied to most of my previous points at all so first answer to that then i can answer to the "stats" you are so proud of also if you want me answer to these "stats" then post it here im discussing with you right now not with hd_nexus so dont see the point of looking at his claims and then answer it to you. im also getting tired of all these little taunts im assuming we both are old enough to have a discussion without getting toxic 1&2. First why did TOG have to be on top to be even considered it is making profit. That just doesn't make sense . And about your video it didn't give any reliable info just assuming things (and it did say that It will be enough to fund future seasons at least.so it just adds to my point). And so according to you tog will never catch 500k-600k like shield hero and Dr. Stone. Just for your info kaguya s1 member count is ~600k but s2 is now at 300k (with 2 episodes remaining like TOG) so is it just average? Nope, it is big hit and with time it will eventually cross 500k or 600k (not all people watch when a series is airing) in same way TOG members will rise and it will also reach around 500k or 600k (like shield hero or Dr. Stone) . To back up that fact is that it is just 20k behind kaguya (which has huge advantage of pre s1 loyal fans from the start). So your logic is meaningless. If Arifureta wasn't successful then why did it get s2 announcement? And why is deciding factor is performance in Japan? CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN. That's why they didn't even put much effort in advertisement in JAPAN. From start their main scope was west.if it were deciding factors CR would have gone all out there and have put more money in advertising TOG there which they don't. Vinland SAGA was flop in JAPAN but did good in west and in CHINA and other Asian countries and get s2. On CR TOG is doing way better than DR. STONE and The PROMISES NEVERLAND. And is doing similar to SHIELD HERO (expected to catch up to it in future or atleast get close it). 3.lol so KAGUYA is way bad than TOG by your logic. Again why it have to be on 1st in every way just to prove it is a hit (that bar is for something like best anime of the season or AOTY. I don't recall that to have anything with this discussion unless u believe it is contender for it). Your remark here is funny. If anything you are hammering nail in your foot there lol. If anything it is doing good everywhere (except Japan, VINLAND SAGA also did terrible though is a success and CR didn't expect much from JAPAN to begin with .).TOG every week get 1st position on CR as most popular anime (it did drop to 3rd and vice versa).i believe it is enough. Though will hear you out again (but not if you ignores all these positives stats) Though if you still want to believe that TOG is not doing good then be satisfied with it cuz then I don't think I will be able to convince you. And if you are offended in anyway, then it's not my purpose. tower of god season 1 wont ever reach 600k period everybody will forget about it once the next season starts and the seasonial hype is over it hasnt the classic value kaguya sama shield hero promised neverland or dr stone has if it ever even comes close to 600k i will be glad to accept my defeat 2."CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN" exactly that is the reason why tower of god is not hugely successful ok i admit that tower of god is doing good on CR(even when i never said its doing bad but whatever) the fact that this is their only source of income proves my point that its only scraping by you said vinland saga flopped in japan guess what even then i did a lot more than tog in japan its that bad there 3.i dont care about the anitrend site heck i didnt even knew it existed what i was pointing out was that even on your hand picked site where you are boosting about tog being soo popular it still didnt managed to get to the top position in a PANDEMIC season where everything hugely popular got delayed. dude there is barely anything good airing this season on CR so tower of god taking the first place there is nothing to boost about. lets cut all the and Mal bullshit here. FACTS are that -Tower of god is doing terrible in JAPAN - -we dont know how well it is doing in china and korea so its a ? -we know that its doing good in CR + but -we dont know how many exclusive members tog has on CR who only subbed because of it or will unsub if a season 2 dosent happen ? so my conclusion is tog is doing decent not much profit but not a loss either if you have any stats that shows that tog is actually doing amazing money wise then pls show it if you dont then no opinionated argument will change my mind that tog is not a money spinner im convinced i cant change your perspective on it either right? if so then lets end it right here good day to you |
Jun 14, 2020 2:16 PM
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MAL before COVID19: (For more info, please see https://myanimelist.net/news/59535681 and https://myanimelist.net/news/59656869) Niconicodouga(currently): https://anime.nicovideo.jp/ranking/view-total.html?from=nanime_rank-daily_rank&fbclid=IwAR1Xem-hEM0LsBcX36AdtGGIljrQgR2ds-ol0kIdFNPNtAteFz2Dlqa2EVo I have no comment on CR stuffs and how long their webtoon->anime gonna last. I know for sure it's a licensor not a producer. They rely on more membership for whatever they're doing since they're competing against other streaming services. The question is how many people sign up for CR, let's look at their data. |
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Jun 14, 2020 2:58 PM
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ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls 1. i was explaining to you why shield hero, promised neverland and dr stone are much bigger than tog and shouldnt be compared to. and why they are getting a season 2 while tog might not. you misunderstood it as me comparing their CR performance which i was not. i also never said that tog is doing bad on cr i just said that it needs a lot more for an anime to be successful then doing decent on 1 streaming site. CR itself wont make a lot of profit with it.if you watched the video you would see how badly it is doing on other streaming sites 2. i didnt said mal isnt reliable either just stop putting words in my mouth my critic was on judging the success of a series on its score. pretty sure i even gave an example for it. but you cant ignore the member difference doubling tog and i did consider that the last 2 episode will have raise the count a bit but i guarantee you it wont be even close to the other 3 series im sure even you will agree with that. mal is not a deciding factor of course but it does give a perspective how big the audience of the series is. the deciding factor is the performance in japan which tog has to almost 0 did you watch the video? 3. lol anitrends just gave weekly trends on the best characters of the season if we go to the top airing anime this season tog isnt even in the top 2 you kinda shot yourself in the foot here the last time they were at the top was may 10 it was also the only time this season. you didnt replied to most of my previous points at all so first answer to that then i can answer to the "stats" you are so proud of also if you want me answer to these "stats" then post it here im discussing with you right now not with hd_nexus so dont see the point of looking at his claims and then answer it to you. im also getting tired of all these little taunts im assuming we both are old enough to have a discussion without getting toxic 1&2. First why did TOG have to be on top to be even considered it is making profit. That just doesn't make sense . And about your video it didn't give any reliable info just assuming things (and it did say that It will be enough to fund future seasons at least.so it just adds to my point). And so according to you tog will never catch 500k-600k like shield hero and Dr. Stone. Just for your info kaguya s1 member count is ~600k but s2 is now at 300k (with 2 episodes remaining like TOG) so is it just average? Nope, it is big hit and with time it will eventually cross 500k or 600k (not all people watch when a series is airing) in same way TOG members will rise and it will also reach around 500k or 600k (like shield hero or Dr. Stone) . To back up that fact is that it is just 20k behind kaguya (which has huge advantage of pre s1 loyal fans from the start). So your logic is meaningless. If Arifureta wasn't successful then why did it get s2 announcement? And why is deciding factor is performance in Japan? CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN. That's why they didn't even put much effort in advertisement in JAPAN. From start their main scope was west.if it were deciding factors CR would have gone all out there and have put more money in advertising TOG there which they don't. Vinland SAGA was flop in JAPAN but did good in west and in CHINA and other Asian countries and get s2. On CR TOG is doing way better than DR. STONE and The PROMISES NEVERLAND. And is doing similar to SHIELD HERO (expected to catch up to it in future or atleast get close it). 3.lol so KAGUYA is way bad than TOG by your logic. Again why it have to be on 1st in every way just to prove it is a hit (that bar is for something like best anime of the season or AOTY. I don't recall that to have anything with this discussion unless u believe it is contender for it). Your remark here is funny. If anything you are hammering nail in your foot there lol. If anything it is doing good everywhere (except Japan, VINLAND SAGA also did terrible though is a success and CR didn't expect much from JAPAN to begin with .).TOG every week get 1st position on CR as most popular anime (it did drop to 3rd and vice versa).i believe it is enough. Though will hear you out again (but not if you ignores all these positives stats) Though if you still want to believe that TOG is not doing good then be satisfied with it cuz then I don't think I will be able to convince you. And if you are offended in anyway, then it's not my purpose. tower of god season 1 wont ever reach 600k period everybody will forget about it once the next season starts and the seasonial hype is over it hasnt the classic value kaguya sama shield hero promised neverland or dr stone has if it ever even comes close to 600k i will be glad to accept my defeat 2."CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN" exactly that is the reason why tower of god is not hugely successful ok i admit that tower of god is doing good on CR(even when i never said its doing bad but whatever) the fact that this is their only source of income proves my point that its only scraping by you said vinland saga flopped in japan guess what even then i did a lot more than tog in japan its that bad there 3.i dont care about the anitrend site heck i didnt even knew it existed what i was pointing out was that even on your hand picked site where you are boosting about tog being soo popular it still didnt managed to get to the top position in a PANDEMIC season where everything hugely popular got delayed. dude there is barely anything good airing this season on CR so tower of god taking the first place there is nothing to boost about. lets cut all the and Mal bullshit here. FACTS are that -Tower of god is doing terrible in JAPAN - -we dont know how well it is doing in china and korea so its a ? -we know that its doing good in CR + but -we dont know how many exclusive members tog has on CR who only subbed because of it or will unsub if a season 2 dosent happen ? so my conclusion is tog is doing decent not much profit but not a loss either if you have any stats that shows that tog is actually doing amazing money wise then pls show it if you dont then no opinionated argument will change my mind that tog is not a money spinner im convinced i cant change your perspective on it either right? if so then lets end it right here good day to you Every series goes up, when Shield hero was airing it didn’t have 600k Lol. The anime aired almost a year ago which is why it has the numbers it has while TOG has almost half of that while still airing. Note that shield hero had 24 or 25 episodes while TOG has 13. I am not saying that TOG is more successful than Shield hero or anything. What I am saying is that every series goes up in numbers as time goes by, shield hero did not start with 600k nor did it end with 600k right after it ended airing. |
InbredJun 14, 2020 3:03 PM
Jun 14, 2020 4:13 PM
#41
| @Inbred i get it my assumption is that it will reach around 400k-450k max unlike shield hero which managed to left a mark on the viewers tog will be forgotten when the packed summer season will start imo its just a seasional hype anime similar to darwins game, fire force etc if it ever reaches the 600k mark then feel free to make fun of me here lol |
Jun 14, 2020 7:12 PM
#42
ayaan692 said: @Inbred i get it my assumption is that it will reach around 400k-450k max unlike shield hero which managed to left a mark on the viewers tog will be forgotten when the packed summer season will start imo its just a seasional hype anime similar to darwins game, fire force etc if it ever reaches the 600k mark then feel free to make fun of me here lol Even 400-450k is considered very good (just for your info) |
Jun 14, 2020 7:31 PM
#43
ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls 1. i was explaining to you why shield hero, promised neverland and dr stone are much bigger than tog and shouldnt be compared to. and why they are getting a season 2 while tog might not. you misunderstood it as me comparing their CR performance which i was not. i also never said that tog is doing bad on cr i just said that it needs a lot more for an anime to be successful then doing decent on 1 streaming site. CR itself wont make a lot of profit with it.if you watched the video you would see how badly it is doing on other streaming sites 2. i didnt said mal isnt reliable either just stop putting words in my mouth my critic was on judging the success of a series on its score. pretty sure i even gave an example for it. but you cant ignore the member difference doubling tog and i did consider that the last 2 episode will have raise the count a bit but i guarantee you it wont be even close to the other 3 series im sure even you will agree with that. mal is not a deciding factor of course but it does give a perspective how big the audience of the series is. the deciding factor is the performance in japan which tog has to almost 0 did you watch the video? 3. lol anitrends just gave weekly trends on the best characters of the season if we go to the top airing anime this season tog isnt even in the top 2 you kinda shot yourself in the foot here the last time they were at the top was may 10 it was also the only time this season. you didnt replied to most of my previous points at all so first answer to that then i can answer to the "stats" you are so proud of also if you want me answer to these "stats" then post it here im discussing with you right now not with hd_nexus so dont see the point of looking at his claims and then answer it to you. im also getting tired of all these little taunts im assuming we both are old enough to have a discussion without getting toxic 1&2. First why did TOG have to be on top to be even considered it is making profit. That just doesn't make sense . And about your video it didn't give any reliable info just assuming things (and it did say that It will be enough to fund future seasons at least.so it just adds to my point). And so according to you tog will never catch 500k-600k like shield hero and Dr. Stone. Just for your info kaguya s1 member count is ~600k but s2 is now at 300k (with 2 episodes remaining like TOG) so is it just average? Nope, it is big hit and with time it will eventually cross 500k or 600k (not all people watch when a series is airing) in same way TOG members will rise and it will also reach around 500k or 600k (like shield hero or Dr. Stone) . To back up that fact is that it is just 20k behind kaguya (which has huge advantage of pre s1 loyal fans from the start). So your logic is meaningless. If Arifureta wasn't successful then why did it get s2 announcement? And why is deciding factor is performance in Japan? CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN. That's why they didn't even put much effort in advertisement in JAPAN. From start their main scope was west.if it were deciding factors CR would have gone all out there and have put more money in advertising TOG there which they don't. Vinland SAGA was flop in JAPAN but did good in west and in CHINA and other Asian countries and get s2. On CR TOG is doing way better than DR. STONE and The PROMISES NEVERLAND. And is doing similar to SHIELD HERO (expected to catch up to it in future or atleast get close it). 3.lol so KAGUYA is way bad than TOG by your logic. Again why it have to be on 1st in every way just to prove it is a hit (that bar is for something like best anime of the season or AOTY. I don't recall that to have anything with this discussion unless u believe it is contender for it). Your remark here is funny. If anything you are hammering nail in your foot there lol. If anything it is doing good everywhere (except Japan, VINLAND SAGA also did terrible though is a success and CR didn't expect much from JAPAN to begin with .).TOG every week get 1st position on CR as most popular anime (it did drop to 3rd and vice versa).i believe it is enough. Though will hear you out again (but not if you ignores all these positives stats) Though if you still want to believe that TOG is not doing good then be satisfied with it cuz then I don't think I will be able to convince you. And if you are offended in anyway, then it's not my purpose. tower of god season 1 wont ever reach 600k period everybody will forget about it once the next season starts and the seasonial hype is over it hasnt the classic value kaguya sama shield hero promised neverland or dr stone has if it ever even comes close to 600k i will be glad to accept my defeat 2."CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN" exactly that is the reason why tower of god is not hugely successful ok i admit that tower of god is doing good on CR(even when i never said its doing bad but whatever) the fact that this is their only source of income proves my point that its only scraping by you said vinland saga flopped in japan guess what even then i did a lot more than tog in japan its that bad there 3.i dont care about the anitrend site heck i didnt even knew it existed what i was pointing out was that even on your hand picked site where you are boosting about tog being soo popular it still didnt managed to get to the top position in a PANDEMIC season where everything hugely popular got delayed. dude there is barely anything good airing this season on CR so tower of god taking the first place there is nothing to boost about. lets cut all the and Mal bullshit here. FACTS are that -Tower of god is doing terrible in JAPAN - -we dont know how well it is doing in china and korea so its a ? -we know that its doing good in CR + but -we dont know how many exclusive members tog has on CR who only subbed because of it or will unsub if a season 2 dosent happen ? so my conclusion is tog is doing decent not much profit but not a loss either if you have any stats that shows that tog is actually doing amazing money wise then pls show it if you dont then no opinionated argument will change my mind that tog is not a money spinner im convinced i cant change your perspective on it either right? if so then lets end it right here good day to you It is doing good in CHINA and other South Asian countries. Source is Reddit. @xkazutox shared this link which shows ranking in JAPAN https://anime.nicovideo.jp/ranking/view-total.html?from=nanime_rank-daily_rank&fbclid=IwAR1Xem-hEM0LsBcX36AdtGGIljrQgR2ds-ol0kIdFNPNtAteFz2Dlqa2EVo From this you can definitely see that TOG is doing better than many current anime seasons and even some popular title like kingdom etc in JAPAN. So it is clear that it is not a a flop there but atleast doing average(if not better). (And If you are planning to say that those lower to TOG there like kingdom and some other are super flop or something similar then I want to remind that by your previous logic atleast TOG is atleast getting back it's production cost and only from Japan without much input on advertising TOG there) . Though data seem to say TOG is atleast on gain side in JAPAN. And how many people are exclusive members of TOG? That's something that can't be known and doesn't even have significance(AS it can't be known ). Or can you show me data of same For any other anime on CR(you won't be able to). Do you know any more popular weekly poll platform (other than anitrenz) on which no. Of people who vote is close to 60k -100k . Again your remark about "it didn't even get 1st position "(are we talking about AOTY!? .if not then what is that logic) . It did and is continuously in top 3 (for your info original reason I give that data was bcuz you claiming only just a minority actually care about it. And the result there prove you completely wrong. Remember your point if you forget it). And overall even there data say TOG is among one of most favourites this season. Edit - BY adding above JAPAN anime ranking I believe that even your point about JAPAN is gone. And I can find nothing now to back your claim. Be stick to all your previous logic and say if you are yet right. And reply with logic and stats if You yet disagree over this and not just empty assumptions |
ZombiedubJun 14, 2020 8:22 PM
Jun 14, 2020 7:33 PM
#44
Inbred said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: ayaan692 said: hd_nexus said: ayaan692 said: Zombiedub said: When you comment make sure to point out what they have done wrong with s1. So we want s2 (but not if they are planning to proceed same way they did with s1). Tell them our complete opinions. 1. S2 should not be rushed . If they are planning to adapt complete s2 then it should have atleat 100 episodes (as latter half of s2 is on average 2.5 times larger than s1) 2. We want adaptation which strictly follow source material and which also cover up info which s1 left. 3.Better action studio. As we can tell s1 animation studio lacks in that field. These are major points which everyone (atleast webtoon reader should point out) . We will love to see second season animated and are in favour. 2nd point is most crucial. So please evryone should let them know and in with these specs (as we will be more disappointed then happy if s2 come out to be like rushed like s1) this is not going to happen no anime ever gets an 100 episode guarantee it just dosent happen the most you could hope for is a 52 episode series and even that is highly unlikable crunchyroll dosent really have a lot of budget to play with this season didnt gave them a lot of funds either so the quality will probably be the same as s1 maybe even worse because they have more episodes to work with It is impossible to know how many episodes the S2 will have. But there is the possibility of having many episodes. Crunchyroll is not really big, but it is not small either, it probably currently has about 3 million subs, plus 8 million free users and 60 million registered accounts. 12-13 episode animes average cost is like 1.5 million dolars, and 24 episodes is like avg 3 million dollars. And you know that they are funding the anime together with NAVER WEBTOON (which is part of a billionaire conglomerate). And you have Chinese streaming + korean streaming + asia streaming ( indonesia and thailand) + japan profit In my opinion all the Crunchyroll Originals animes will have 12-13 episodes, because they're all a test ( And they obviously will select the most profitable ones). It's benefical for both ( Crunchyroll + Webtoon), if they do well the next season, it will bring a lot more users and readers for their platforms. Given the success that ToG is making on their platforms, I don't see why they won't invest heavily in an anime that is sure to be a long-term hit ( given the fact that the next seasons are wayyyyy better). tower of god is making success? what do you think how many subs are only subscribed because of tog? and how many would quit crunchyroll if a season 2 dosent happen? pretty sure not that many the japan profits will be peanuts because it did terrible there rating wise. dont know how well its received in korea/china but i would assume they arent that satisfied with it either since it didnt adapted the webtoon well and rushed a lot of stuff even as an anime only guy i could easily see how many important details were left out the art/animation wasnt that impressive either also there is no guarantee season 2 will do well no matter how good the webtoon s2 was if it isnt adapted well people wont like it im still hoping for the best though maybe god of highschool will do so well that crunchyroll think about investing more in tower of god and in webtoons in general It is successful(with 100% surety ). Hard to say same in Japan though. It is most popular among new anime titles this season. In terms of popularity only Kaguya is ahead (in MAL) (TOG is ahead in AP and few others). Even on MAL in terms of watching numbers TOG is beating Kaguya. Though overall (when we include Japan too) Kaguya is doing better. But that doesn't mean TOG is not doing good. It's definitely a hit without a doubt. Question is how much(SUCCESSFUL) ? Is it enough to give green light to S2 . I think if CR decided to do S2 like s1 (low budget type) then can go with it without a problem but if they want to adapt it well ( deserving budget) then it will depend on answer of above question as s2 would require a comparatively high budget. its funny how you are defending this 1. having the second highest members on mal in a pandemic season with all popular shows being cancelled is nothing to brag about. no one would care about tog if sao re:zero and snafu would air this season like they were supposed to the fact that it couldnt get top position even after all that hype is downright embarrassing. 2.and lets say even if it is "popular" on mal how exactly is it getting crunchyroll money? do you think they care how popular it is in mal? thats what success is about its money it clearly dunked in japan so almost no money there (which is btw the main source of income for almost every anime) then there is crunchyroll which didnt got much new subs either since Tog started airing overall its a wash they might have retained the investment since it was a low budget production but thats about it It's funny how you keep assaulting it (very funny) . And by your logic if a good anime sequel is airing then all other dozens of anime airing at same time already a failure (every season there comes dozens of anime) . If your logic were true anime industry should have been closed a very long time ago ***So is popularity means nothing?? ***popularity has nothing to do with money?? ***And how do CR get money is related to popularity?? Do I really need to explain all these?? If you don't know how these things works say so then I will try to provide an explanation. There are many ways to judge success of anime (and the most indirect, simple yet reliable way is popularity. By simple logic More the no. Of watchers == more will be profit (it doesn't matter where and how they watch (exception -illegal source) (not necessarily CR) CUZ CR is the one to provide it (so for every legal watch CR will be profitted)) Rating also doesn't give info about margin of profit (an anime may get a decent rating but will have no profit if watchers are very less) 1.im not assaulting it at all actually enjoyed the last couple of episodes just trying to erase your false believe that this anime is crushing it right now. also i never said its a failure i said that it must have recovered its cost but thats about it there wont be huge profit numbers period. 2.popularity only helps you out when there is a positive reception to make the consumer spend money be it on merchandise or on blu ray sales here the anime is mostly criticised from webtoon reader for cutting out stuff and from the anime onlys being confusing/boring there is only a minority of die hard fans who will spend money in tog(the anime) atleast in my opinion. something being kind of popular dosent amount to it being successful i hope you understand that. 3.these dozens of anime you are talking about are backed by japan and while not being that popular can recover their cost from tv ratings etc mostly nobody in japan even knows what tower of god is because it wasnt advertised there at all. so that rescue pillow falls out of the window 4. now how CR gets its money from tower of god is related to "success" you know that was our original point remember? not really interested in your business explanations hopefully we can continue this discussion without throwing these pitiful jabs at each other. 5.yeah illegal watchers can provide profit too but they need to be recurring watchers who actually care about it and go out of their way to support this anime i dont think tog earned a lot of them this season 6. i actually agree with the last part ratings on mal dont mean much if something is successful or not big example would be sao which has only a 7.36 rating but was one of the most successful anime in the last decade Sure I'm on for discussion. But let me tell You are the one who starts throwing pitiful jabs saying thing like it being embarrassing etc without any logic. 1. I or nobody here ever says TOG is mega hit or something. I did say if is definitely profiting and stand on it. For your point @hd_nexus explained it well and clearly So if The rising of shield hero and Dr.Stone do good on CR then TOG is doing similar (rating and comment wise with just 11 episodes. Will probably catch to it or even surpass it at this rate. ) .not just that every details he gives is enough to prove it. 2.i disagree with you here completely.what you are reffering is extra benefits (you seem not to get my little explanation about how popularity effects income. Why is SAO is doing good bcuz it's popular (directly implies large no. Of people are watching it which meant large no. people are contributing in it's income). However you see it more the numbers of people are watching it more income it gets. It's kind of very simple logic (hoping you get it) . For reference you can check that every popular anime is successful (do check if you have any doubt). The one who are actually criticizing anime are webtoon reader and the reason is "it could have been way better". And peoples like that are minority. Majority are enjoying it. Large no. of people are enjoying it (the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it) . If majority have been disliking it then you wouldn't have find good rating and such high popularity almost at every platform. On anitrenz polls charts TOG always in top 3 since its release , Khun is always in top 3 male characters (currently at 1st ) , Endorsi is always on top 3 female characters(currently at 1st), OP top is at always on top 3 OP(currently at 1st), ED SLUMP is always on top 3 ED as well. People don't vote for something they don't like. So, peope are clearly loving TOG and not just watching it. So plz don't say only a bunch of die hard fans are enjoying it. In all articles and interview on TOG I only see claim of it being a hit among audience and never did I see something like average or failure. I sure that me and @hd_nexus has given enough stats of it being successful(again I'm not saying it's megaaaaa hit or something). So if you are going to argue over it plz come with stats and not just words. 3.if just showing on TV channel in Japan can recover it's cost then TOG is also being shown there(lol) . In that medium also it depends on how many people's are actually watching it (after all money comes to tv channel through advertising of products so if people are not watching it then advertisers will not invest on that tv channel. (By advertising here I'm not reffering to advertisement of anime but your general advertisement of different product) . So again it comes to show that popularity impact money). Though TOG is not among popular anime this season there. But they are advertising it (here I mean advertisement of TOG in Japan) . SOURCE of it being true is from reddit. So by your logic if those dozen of anime can regain there cost then TOG is among those dozens too. Though I'm not satisfied by your logic and discussion over this point is kinda meaningless. 4.i believe above points already clarify it. 5.well I wasn't saying illegal watchers can give profit too(you mistook it) Though it's true. And my point 2. Proves that there are lot of people who are recurring watchers who actually cares 6.since we both agree. No need to go further over this. I'm hoping that you would reply with logic and stats if you disagree over any points. lol the anime not reaching top position after all the hype was more a jab at the anime and not at you why are you taking it personally? i dont think i ever insulted you in my post its just not my style and i hope for the others to not do that aswell. 1. first off rising of the shield hero had A LOT more hype than tower of god has prove is the member count which is about 650k or something tog dosent even have half of it. promised neverland and dr stone had a much better reception than tog 8,40 and 8.60 and are also in a member count of around 600k. and they were doing much better in japan too because they already had a japanese manga fanbase established there. so overall these are all a lot more successful than tog season 1 ever will be. i wouldnt mind replying to hd_nexus either but if someone starts the reply with "you are wrong" kinda gives me the vibe they dont really want a discussion so i just let him be lol 2. nah disagree there something being popular dosent directly amount it to be successful examples would be arifureta which was popular for negative reasons(the its so bad its good effect) or ishozuko reviewers which got popular because of shock value. dosent really mean it was successful hell ishozuko even lost funimation and other broadcasting supporters over its run. im not on anitrends how big is the site? and how many people voted there for khun and endorsi? was it seasonal or overall? would be great if you could send me the link to that poll. if there are over 8000-10000 voters for tog then i would retract my point about tog(the anime) not having a lot of die hard fans 3. again most anime have a japanese manga and a japanese fanbase established who are looking forward to see their series get adapted so they have advantages that tog dosent anime fans in japan have actually no idea that tower of god even exists this youtube video explains it well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOzHYv8XtQ watch it from 9.30 min onwards 4."the rating are good everywhere I see. So stats prove it" you mean the mal ratings? tog had a score of 8.26 even before the first episode aired now its a 8.02 and constantly gettng down that should give you the idea how the perception of this series is. can you also give me the links from these interviews and articles calling tog a big success? if these people being interviewed are directly working on the anime then they might be naturally a bit biased so i would take it with a grain of salt. tog might have been a success if the target was getting exposure for the webtoon but as a stand alone anime i dont really think it can be counted as a 100% success like you mentioned I don't see why it's a jab. And it doing good already but I would talk about this at the end 1.you asked about how CR would be benefitted and is it even doing good at CR. We give you data and stats of how good TOG is doing there. But then you can't seem to understand (or maybe you even forget about your own claims of how TOG is doing on CR) that TOG is doing good on CR (it is doing similar to Dr. Stone and Shield hero). You look like just forget or didn't even remember your own claims. And you earlier keep saying how stats on MAL is not reliable but now to defend yourselves you yourself is taking MAL stats as judging factor. I don't see your point to change your own claims and points and ignored all stats given by me and @hd_nexus . And now you come with members count and ratings on MAL (so now you started judging if MAL is deciding factor) Still let me give you some logical info which your logic didn't even considered. *did you believe that members counts finished increasing as the last episode of anime aired? * did you even know what was total members counts of animes you have mention when it was still airing and few episodes were left to be aired? If you don't know then pls know it as it will give you explanation why you are wrong with coming with these facts. I'm confident that I can prove you wrong there (so first understand my question) So rego through data I and @hd_nexus give (seems like you haven't go through any of it ) And do check and compare these stats. And reread your earlier points (as you seem to forget them) And then reply. Then I will answer rest of your points(stick to your own claims bro) Edit - anitrenz as far as I know is most famous (I may be wrong) which holds weekly and seasonal poll. The data I provided is of weekly polls. Seasonal poll held at end of season so there is time for it. Link is https://anitrendz.net/polls 1. i was explaining to you why shield hero, promised neverland and dr stone are much bigger than tog and shouldnt be compared to. and why they are getting a season 2 while tog might not. you misunderstood it as me comparing their CR performance which i was not. i also never said that tog is doing bad on cr i just said that it needs a lot more for an anime to be successful then doing decent on 1 streaming site. CR itself wont make a lot of profit with it.if you watched the video you would see how badly it is doing on other streaming sites 2. i didnt said mal isnt reliable either just stop putting words in my mouth my critic was on judging the success of a series on its score. pretty sure i even gave an example for it. but you cant ignore the member difference doubling tog and i did consider that the last 2 episode will have raise the count a bit but i guarantee you it wont be even close to the other 3 series im sure even you will agree with that. mal is not a deciding factor of course but it does give a perspective how big the audience of the series is. the deciding factor is the performance in japan which tog has to almost 0 did you watch the video? 3. lol anitrends just gave weekly trends on the best characters of the season if we go to the top airing anime this season tog isnt even in the top 2 you kinda shot yourself in the foot here the last time they were at the top was may 10 it was also the only time this season. you didnt replied to most of my previous points at all so first answer to that then i can answer to the "stats" you are so proud of also if you want me answer to these "stats" then post it here im discussing with you right now not with hd_nexus so dont see the point of looking at his claims and then answer it to you. im also getting tired of all these little taunts im assuming we both are old enough to have a discussion without getting toxic 1&2. First why did TOG have to be on top to be even considered it is making profit. That just doesn't make sense . And about your video it didn't give any reliable info just assuming things (and it did say that It will be enough to fund future seasons at least.so it just adds to my point). And so according to you tog will never catch 500k-600k like shield hero and Dr. Stone. Just for your info kaguya s1 member count is ~600k but s2 is now at 300k (with 2 episodes remaining like TOG) so is it just average? Nope, it is big hit and with time it will eventually cross 500k or 600k (not all people watch when a series is airing) in same way TOG members will rise and it will also reach around 500k or 600k (like shield hero or Dr. Stone) . To back up that fact is that it is just 20k behind kaguya (which has huge advantage of pre s1 loyal fans from the start). So your logic is meaningless. If Arifureta wasn't successful then why did it get s2 announcement? And why is deciding factor is performance in Japan? CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN. That's why they didn't even put much effort in advertisement in JAPAN. From start their main scope was west.if it were deciding factors CR would have gone all out there and have put more money in advertising TOG there which they don't. Vinland SAGA was flop in JAPAN but did good in west and in CHINA and other Asian countries and get s2. On CR TOG is doing way better than DR. STONE and The PROMISES NEVERLAND. And is doing similar to SHIELD HERO (expected to catch up to it in future or atleast get close it). 3.lol so KAGUYA is way bad than TOG by your logic. Again why it have to be on 1st in every way just to prove it is a hit (that bar is for something like best anime of the season or AOTY. I don't recall that to have anything with this discussion unless u believe it is contender for it). Your remark here is funny. If anything you are hammering nail in your foot there lol. If anything it is doing good everywhere (except Japan, VINLAND SAGA also did terrible though is a success and CR didn't expect much from JAPAN to begin with .).TOG every week get 1st position on CR as most popular anime (it did drop to 3rd and vice versa).i believe it is enough. Though will hear you out again (but not if you ignores all these positives stats) Though if you still want to believe that TOG is not doing good then be satisfied with it cuz then I don't think I will be able to convince you. And if you are offended in anyway, then it's not my purpose. tower of god season 1 wont ever reach 600k period everybody will forget about it once the next season starts and the seasonial hype is over it hasnt the classic value kaguya sama shield hero promised neverland or dr stone has if it ever even comes close to 600k i will be glad to accept my defeat 2."CR doesn't actually even hope for much in JAPAN" exactly that is the reason why tower of god is not hugely successful ok i admit that tower of god is doing good on CR(even when i never said its doing bad but whatever) the fact that this is their only source of income proves my point that its only scraping by you said vinland saga flopped in japan guess what even then i did a lot more than tog in japan its that bad there 3.i dont care about the anitrend site heck i didnt even knew it existed what i was pointing out was that even on your hand picked site where you are boosting about tog being soo popular it still didnt managed to get to the top position in a PANDEMIC season where everything hugely popular got delayed. dude there is barely anything good airing this season on CR so tower of god taking the first place there is nothing to boost about. lets cut all the and Mal bullshit here. FACTS are that -Tower of god is doing terrible in JAPAN - -we dont know how well it is doing in china and korea so its a ? -we know that its doing good in CR + but -we dont know how many exclusive members tog has on CR who only subbed because of it or will unsub if a season 2 dosent happen ? so my conclusion is tog is doing decent not much profit but not a loss either if you have any stats that shows that tog is actually doing amazing money wise then pls show it if you dont then no opinionated argument will change my mind that tog is not a money spinner im convinced i cant change your perspective on it either right? if so then lets end it right here good day to you Every series goes up, when Shield hero was airing it didn’t have 600k Lol. The anime aired almost a year ago which is why it has the numbers it has while TOG has almost half of that while still airing. Note that shield hero had 24 or 25 episodes while TOG has 13. I am not saying that TOG is more successful than Shield hero or anything. What I am saying is that every series goes up in numbers as time goes by, shield hero did not start with 600k nor did it end with 600k right after it ended airing. Agreed fully with you there. |
Jun 14, 2020 8:11 PM
#45
| @Zombiedub fyi food War current season got postponed since ep 2. They're airing again in summer 2020. You could check the news for anime affected by coronavirus. |
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Jun 14, 2020 8:16 PM
#46
xkazutox said: @Zombiedub fyi food War current season got postponed since ep 2. They're airing again in summer 2020. You could check the news for anime affected by coronavirus. Yep! . I did hear that but forget for a moment. Thanks for reminding.i will edit that . |
ZombiedubJun 14, 2020 8:23 PM
Jun 24, 2020 2:45 PM
#47
| So I know this could be a little to early but U guys have any info on next season? Just Dieing to know haha. |
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Jun 24, 2020 3:03 PM
#48
| if the same director and the same pace neih we are good |
Jun 24, 2020 3:05 PM
#49
| I hope it gets a second seaon. I'm willing to buy merch to support it :D It for sure has the potential to be a 10/10 :) |
Jun 24, 2020 3:05 PM
#50
| Read the manhwa. You will never care about the second season again. Although, the manhwa is on hiatus, so, welp… |
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