| Cgi can be good if just utilized well. Dorohedoro is a very good example of a show that has a quite good use of cgi that also mix well with 2d moments. And the characters stays in model quite good in both versions. But then there a shows like Kengen Ashura were the combination is not as good. While the cgi works very well in fights it does not when characters talk with each other. And the characters models for some look completely different from their 3d and 2d perspective. |
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| It's kind of simple. Bad CGI deserves hate, good CGI deserves praise. We have both in anime. PS Knights of Sidonia is an example of CGI I don't like, especially the movements and the gestures. |
| People are just being tsundere. Most people actually creamed their pants seeing Kingdom and Overlord S3 CG. |
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| No, as there are some really good CGI anime out there. For example, I can't imagine Houseki no Kuni without the CGI, I don't think it'd capture how the characters are gem's very well. |
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| While there are a lot of lousy and outright terrible execution of 3D CGI in a lot of shows that aren't primarily done in CGI, there are definitely some standouts I've enjoyed like Sidonia and the Berserk movies so I can agree that anything 3D CGI shouldn't be automatically considered as bad just because of that. |
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| From the thread you guys have named 3 of the best shows CGI animation has to offer. What about the others? Kengan was pretty bad Ajin looked pretty bad, Berserk was pretty bad Golden Kamuy was very bad Levius was not the greatest I mean studios are have been experimenting with CGI and have been getting better at using this type of animation so it will get better in the future, just not atm. |
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| Honestly in most cases? i (personally) dont think it deserves it. Not just because there are some beautiful series (i also loved lustrous and beastars) The amount of times ive seen endless reviews, comments on an episode or freak outs over a short PV before a series is out mentioning The Awful Cancerous CGI? annoyingly endless. Of course not everyone words it like that but it all boils down the same to me. I really dont get what the big deal is unless its straight up really bad the entire time (berserk 2016 didnt deserve that lol the writing wasnt Too bad though for the most part, but really? someone finally decides to adapt the series past The Golden Age TM and u frick it up with really stiff CG and sound effects? rip, the movies at the very least looked great so what! was going on) Back on topic, like?? a few second shot of a automobile or ship or something being in CG is enough for groans and complaints, its bewildering to me, and most of the time doesnt even look Bad, i always thought maybe people were just getting angry bc its becoming more common and there's this underlying fear 2d will start to get stepped away from, but i think that's far away if ever and honestly by then technology will advice and itll probably look great anyway lol but i understand the love of 2d and in most cases would be just fine not putting a foot toward cg, but i dont think it deserves the hate it gets in a general case, sometimes i even like the little additions. And if we're just talking full CGI shows, i do agree in certain ways with complaints, but more towards the lack of style and personality, a lot of regular full CG shows literally look the Same, and that's my problem lol. i think everything can be summed up to: effort and budget, there would be less complaints towards it if more time was put into it. But as a concept, and minor usage, i think the general hate is a little over the top. |
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| I've seen the exact same three that OP mentioned, and yeah, they're really amazing shows. I'm just the niche kind of person that doesn't judge an anime by its animation (unless it looks like sandpaper). I've seen many well-written shows from lone artists/writers, and sure the animation isn't Ufotable tier but that doesn't mean it's bad smh. |
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| The use of CG is understandable when it comes to scenes with large crowds and stuff like that even though it usually looks pretty awkward. Some effort should be made to cover up the awkwardness. Re:Zero does a pretty good job of CG crowds. On the other hand there's some infamous CG in Overlord though that was completely unnecessary and just screams laziness on the part of the studio. Then you have shows like High Score Girl and Land of the Lusterous that are 100% CG and look great. Seems like the use of CG is more often lazy and slipshod than not. |
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| In some shows, it fits as the CGI is really well made. In some shows like Ajin, the whole show is in some wierd 3D CGI style and I think that's fine too. What I do hate is how Tiamat looks like, she is out of place, it dosen't fit. She looks dumb, when it comes down to a studio that get supported by a company making biljons each year. And they releasing a Tiamat that looks like she was made by child using paint. That's something I hate. Don't like the way that some studios out there, in the past they made awesome animation. But to save money and time they have started to use CGI. When I see that I just get so disappointed as I know what they have done in the past :( Money is everything in this world, but I think you shoud released project that you can be really proud of. If I did a Tiamat in paint, it's a work I woud never have been proud over. |
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| CG anime has come a long way.It's improved but how good it is depends upon the studio. Studio Orange made two full CGI anime and each looked beautiful. Polygon Picture came a long way.Ajin looked bad but their latest work Kuutei Dragons looked great. MAPPA blends 3D CGI with 2D really well but sometimes their models looks janky. It's very difficult to notice good CGI. The type of CGI which I hate are the ones where it stands like a sore thumb.Gorgon looked okay but Cloverworks dropped the ball with Tiamat.Both Tiamat and Beast looked out of place. I would like the CGI series to retain its anime roots.I'm disappointed that Ghost in rhe Shell SAC_2045 looks like a PS2 cutscene. I would say CGI had improved over the years.CGI is cost effective and requires few animators as compared to hand drawn works.It might be the future. |
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| Watch beserk then come back and delete this thread. |
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| CGI is hated when its obvious they try to do the same things as hand-drawn and utterly fail, when its so overt and ugly (most CGI crowds and Berserk 2016/2017), or when its used obnoxiously (Handshakers). Most people still associate CGI with laziness and ugliness and unfortunately most of the time it is. However, every anime nowadays has at least some CGI and most people hardly notice. A lot of the hate can be chalked up to bandwagoning but the initial hate was probably justified. |
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| I never understood why everyone thinks Ajin looks bad. It has extremely good action scenes and season 2 has great character acting because of this CGI. I feel people tend to hate on CGI because it is different. Studio Orange has amazing CGI too, but sometimes I feel people think Ajins dreary look means it looks bad, but a bright art style wouldn't fit its tone. Same with Sidonia (even if Sidonia is a lot more rough around the edges.) |
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| The only CGI studio I trust is Orange. MAPPA is good, JCStaff is fine at best. The others I don't care or I haven't seen them. |
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| if its bad then yes because its gross. if its good then no. |
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| The bigger issue is that 2d and 3d animation don't mesh very well together, and they are not the same art form, its a tricky mixed media approach to get right. In my case I just don't have the love for seeing 3d models moved around as I do hand drawn images being manipulated, so the medium is uninteresting to me. |
| Well, it gets hate because it´s not properly used most of the time and I can´t blame people. Anyway, I recently watched Promare, wich is an ok anime movie, but the animation was fantastic and it implements CGI. Actually, one of the best anime experiences in terms of visuals, despite a few convoluted action sections. |
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| CGI isn't really necessary in anime but I personally don't care about it as long as it doesn't look like CLANG 2016. |
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| Not the good ones anymore. Look at Demon slayer, Dorohedoro, Beastars etc... |
| I know I'm alone in this, but I think very cheap CGI can be charming and cute in its own way. I really liked Kemono Friends for this appeal, it had a lo-fi vibe that made it comfier. |
| Each and every animated Hollywood movie since Toy Story (> 20 years) is pure CGI. Whoever claims to hate CGI is not completely honest. Like in any technology there is good, neutral and bad. Most CGI probably is not even noticed these days, in anime as well. Only when a studio fucks up, saves too much money, or rushes a scene involving CGI it''s visible. And then the usual suspects cry wolf and overgeneralize it. Their bad, safe to ignore. Even mediocre and bad CGI can't hurt a good story. Watch Mardock Scramble (all 3 movies, but 2 has most CG), Koukaku Kidoutai 2: Innocence, or Malice@Doll if you don't believe me. And what Studio Orange does is pure magic anyway. Summary: No, the hate is mainly from circle-jerking haters. |
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| Watch Arifureta and you will see why it's deserve the hate. |
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Tyrannicswine117 said: No it doesn't.Does CGI anime really deserve the hate it gets? I contend that some people are just used to seeing things animated a certain way, and thus its quirks don't stand out as much to them. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| What hate? I thought everyone was going crazy over ufotable's animation and saying things like they have high budget or something. That definitely doesn't sound like hate to me. |
| Varies, but usually CGI isn’t the worst. I love ryuji masudas works (most of his shows are completely in cgi, however they look bad in today’s standards because all his stuff was made 1999-2005) but it’s still so charming. Except berserk Fuck berserk |
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| No one hates on Beastars or Lustrous because they are so well made! Most others get hate because they look horrible! |
| I used to hate CGI anime a lot. But after watching Houseki no Kuni... I felt like I could become more open to those kinds of anime. Right now I'm in the neutral zone. Still waiting for a trigger. |
| considering they will try to cut corners whenever possible, I will not support use of cgi. I've seen kengan ashura season 1, it feels awkward when they are not fighting. |
| Absolutely not. CGI is everywhere in anime, you just don’t notice it when it’s done well. The goal of CGI is to be seamless with the rest of the animation, therefore when it’s done well you don’t notice it and when it’s done badly you do notice it. |
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| Yes it does. It doesn't have that feel which hand drawn animation has. |
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| if cgi is bad it surely deserves the hate, just look at berserk and ghost in the shell 2045 if cgi is good it deserves the praise, simple as that |
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| CGI has it the hardest cause when it does a good job no one notices its CGI, but when its bad CGI then its noticeable for everyone, and there are probably a lot of examples of good cgi that we wouldn't even know are cgi cause if how good it was. The only times you're gonna notice good cgi might as well be in fully 3d shows like beastars or half 3d like dorohedoro And fully 3d animes seen to look good only when they try to play to the strengths of 3d instead of mimicking traditional 2d anime styles |
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| Some people even think that Houseki no Kuni, Beastars and Dorohedoro have bad cgi. Their opinion doesn't matter though |
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| Usually no, I've seen many people who whine about cgi even if it's barely noticeable or actually really well done. Sure there are abominations like Berserk but there's no reason to whine about Dorohedoro or the new LotGH anime. |
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| CGI and anime have a very strange relationship. Ultimately, CGI is a distinct art form that yields its own style and techniques. There are good CGI animators in Japan but only recently have we seen shows which take advantage of this. At it's worst CGI anime tries to mimic 2D animation far too much, as long as it doesn't do that and tries to express its own style then there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I even think sometimes "bad" and "dated" CGI has it's own merits, above all it's an art style and there's positives it could bring. For example, low-poly early 3D games I think have this atmospheric charm to them that modern games lack if they pursue hyper-realism. TL;DR CGI anime just needs to take advantage of the fact that it has different capabilities from 2D. |
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| CGi is awesome; I don't care what anyone else says. My favorite is the really janky CG from the late '90s and '00s; Malice@Doll visually being one of my favorite anime of all time. |
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Tyrannicswine117 said: Catalano said: GitS 2045 has only had a trailer, basing a show on that before it’s even come out is unfair to it. It could end up being just as good as the previous series.if cgi is bad it surely deserves the hate, just look at berserk and ghost in the shell 2045 if cgi is good it deserves the praise, simple as that trailers aren't mal reviews, the cgi was bad in the trailer, it's impossible that the anime will look better, ok, let's say it'll be slightly better but not convincing for the fans |
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