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Poll: Kyokou Suiri Episode 12 Discussion

Mar 29, 2020 1:16 PM

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I'm torn about this anime. It wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be but I also did still enjoy it. I feel like the Steel Lady Nanase arc really didn't need to be that long and overall, it could've done with a bit more oomph... like either adding some action or making the romance between Iwanaga & Kuro more prominent.

As a side note, I really liked hearing Mamoru Miyano take on a more serious role though, that was great!
Mar 29, 2020 1:23 PM
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Satisfying ending to the show. I agree the second arc dragged out too long and the pacing was slow. Great wrap up overall.

Mar 29, 2020 3:10 PM

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Yawn. The Steel Lady Arc was like reading a fucking book. The action wasn't even that good.
The only good thing out of this anime were the Opening, The Ending, an Saki.

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Mar 29, 2020 3:25 PM
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Too good in the beginning and went down in the latest episode.. if ur searching for a romantic anime I recommend not watching it but if your searching for something like detective conan then I highly suggest you watch it
Mar 29, 2020 3:40 PM
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Mar 29, 2020 5:12 PM

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SoraSenpai said:
Yawn. The Steel Lady Arc was like reading a fucking book. The action wasn't even that good.
The only good thing out of this anime were the Opening, The Ending, an Saki.

geez it's almost like this isn't a action show it's a mystery/romance show. the trailers even said that it's a MYSTERY romance show. Not a shonen battle anime. holy shit you people are dense.
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Mar 29, 2020 6:31 PM

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Ashhk said:
Yeah pacing was a bit too slow but it's a part of the show, I really enjoyed all the explanations and even if it was slow all the episodes felt like 5 minutes, for me it was really great, I want to read the manga now.

Thats just it,for me,the dialogues were just one of the things that made this series,along with the excellent music,OP/ED titles,and the characterization was on point.If you read the manga,you'll see what I mean.The manga does seem to flow at the same pace as the anime,but it just pulls you in anyway.

The thing for me that really shone was the characters,Kotoko especially,I found her to be cute,witty,sassy and slightly mesmerizing,which i think was down to the author and also the voice actress.I also think that nearly all the CV's in this did an excellent job,as did the animators.
Heres to hoping we see more of Kotoko and Kuro in the near future.
On a quick side note,I thought that skeleton yokai was hilarious scaring Saki like that,and of course the banana joke,Kotoko just had to do it :)
Mar 29, 2020 6:34 PM

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ZKisara said:
AddaeAkono said:
I enjoyed this anime even though there were times that I felt like the anime was dragging in the Steel Beam Nanase arc. Kotoko having no filter makes the anime worth watching.

I give this series a 7/10 because Kotoko is best girl.

Out of curiosity, is the manga worth reading?

If you can tolerate all the talking then yeah, Steel lady nanase arc is a long one and the normal mysteries usually go for 1 chapter or 2, the next arc of only consist of 4 chapter which is way way shorter than Steel lady nanase.
Tbh, the manga does it better than the anime, there is a lot more explanation and it’s much more clearer. There were also bonus chapters which consist of skits that were not animated so that’s something to look forward to.

I have to agree with you there,the bonus chapters do tend to break up the long arcs in the main stories in the manga(esp the exorcism bonus in Vol 4,that had me in tears),and the manga is well worth reading.
Mar 29, 2020 6:48 PM

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biggest disappointment of winter 2020. could've been so good but went to shit.
Mar 29, 2020 7:14 PM
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Pacing was brutal on this one, didn't really feel a genuine connection between Kuro and Iwanaga. 6/10 for me.
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Mar 30, 2020 5:31 AM

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As much as many hated on this show for objective reasons, being the minority I liked it for what it was: a story akin to that of fiction books whilst fighting for what's right and wrong. The manga's still better in pacing and explanation, but the anime did a decent job at adapting the source material.

With the Steel Lady Nanase gone (albeit for the anime), everything seems at peace. The post-trauma after that, not so much. The "monster of the imagination", as long as that's feasible, she can return back to life based on people's judgements whilst Rikka albeit defeated for now. A moment of recluse for Saki becomes a moment of resolution knowing the yokai world and Kotoko keeing the balance of it all.

The bond between Kotoko and Kuro has not been the greatest these 12 episodes, but overtime it was definitely built up to forge the bond between each other as yokai specialists upholding the balance with logic and faction.

A good wrapup, and low-key one show that is a niche amongst the niches.

Mar 30, 2020 5:54 AM

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This is a frustrating show, in all honesty. Conceptually, the ideas and set-up around the Nanase arc are extremely interesting and clever, but in reality it proved to be boring and tedious when dragged out over nine episodes. It could have easily cut off three episodes at least to provide more room for more minor cases, where we'd actually see Kuro and Kotoko's relationship properly develop and properly build to Rikka as an antagonist, rather than using a time skip to cheat past showing all that development.

That's before even discussing Rikka's motive which, now that we've learned it, seems pretty weak: she's basically using her powers just to be able to eventually stop using them and die. But surely, with her powers, she doesn't need to do all this operating in the shadows and creating monsters of the imagination in pursuit of a god-like being, as she could just become one herself: that seems far easier to control and lead to her desired outcome than using the Internet and her powers to create a god.

Truth be told, the pacing kills the show, but I can appreciate its ideas on a conceptual level. Plus, Kotoko being such a gremlin does make up for a lot of the slog.

Mar 30, 2020 6:57 AM

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Nice ending but the majority of the show felt like someone struggling to fill a word count on an essay. I liked the concept initially but episodes just kind of devolved into Iwanaga talking bollocks for hours and it was a slog to take it all in. Still was worth watching though and there is still decent bit to enjoy
Mar 30, 2020 10:56 AM
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Nurguburu said:
Bro, the second arc was really long lol.

I am a bit disappointed with this anime. It had such a strong start and the dialogue from the second episode, which many did not like, seemed quite entertaining and consistent. Too bad when they introduced Rikka's character in person (ep 8), the show went downhill quickly. All 4 solutions lack coherence and it didn't help that we only saw Kuro being beaten while I was listening to idiots and a loli arguing in a forum. And Rikka hurting herself was so unnecessary that it made me laugh.

Disappointment! 5/10 for the anime

I think this perfectly sums up my own thoughts on the anime. I loved Iwanaga and Kuro's interactions, but that was about as much enjoyment as I got out of the show :\
Mar 30, 2020 6:50 PM

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banana joke *grins like a perv* 'nuff said

Ok putting that aside....Like most people they dragged out Nanase arc waaay too long in all the wrong places....I mean the last 3 or so eps with the wiki forum showdown had decent pacing (felt like the animators went "OH SNAP....we're almost out of eps for this season, let's go a little quicker) but the intro & setting up before the internet showdown definitely should have been cut in half time-wise in my opinion....

Also that Kuro X Iwanaga tease at the end. GAWD....Idk....can I crai in despair or something? I dunno what to make of that "forced but not really..?" increased developing of their relationship...idk...

If this gets a second season I hope it's more like the first few eps and the focus is back to character interactions rather than "Dang, Iwanaga isn't the 'goddess of wisdom' for nothing"
Now time to go heal my brain from thinking too hard...
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Mar 30, 2020 7:53 PM

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I liked this anime, really good!
It was fun from start to end, not sure why the score is low

I hope it gets a sequel
Mar 30, 2020 9:51 PM
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The arc was too long for me and halfway I got bored. I was supposed to give it 6/10 but the ending made me change my mind.

If you are not a fan of long dialogue and less action series, this isn't for you.
Mar 31, 2020 3:09 AM

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If mass imagination can make or break youkai there would be much more than just Nanase.

Has a nice relevant message and good characters(I like Kurou better than most of you here) but the main content not being particularly fun and exciting to watch hindered the show a lot. 6-7/10
Mar 31, 2020 6:10 AM

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SoraSenpai said:
Yawn. The Steel Lady Arc was like reading a fucking book.

You do know that this series is originally a one-shot light novel (Aka a storybook)? Lol

Ikano said:
If this gets a second season I hope it's more like the first few eps and the focus is back to character interactions rather than "Dang, Iwanaga isn't the 'goddess of wisdom' for nothing"

Don't worry, Season 2 will be like the first three episodes with SoL stuffs and reveal a bit of Kotoko's past when she's studying at high school lol (There's still have a lot of talking like SL arc did).

I doubt they will ever announce S2 with how there's lack of story progresses after this arc (Well, saying "little-to-no progress" would be more accurate), let alone the fact there's so many people complains about the anime.
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Mar 31, 2020 8:12 AM
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Was a pretty decent one at first and really got going during the steel lady nanse arc, seeing Iwanaga come up with somany stories was very entertaining and different from the typical battle shounen I've seen a hundred times.
Apr 1, 2020 12:47 AM

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It was fine cause I like Kotoko, but for the first arc to be three episodes but the second to be nine episodes is just weird. And the 2-3 year time skip, lame. So now all I need is a good amputee tag dojinshi with Inagawa.
Apr 1, 2020 9:24 AM

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One of the main reason why I watch this show is just to listen to
Miyano Mamoru (Light from Death Note for the unaware).

His voice is just captivating. oh and that ED song is just... <3

I like the romance and dialogue between Iwanaga and Kuro. Doesn't fell that rushed. They are both straight to the point and not embarrassed much.

Apr 1, 2020 6:10 PM

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Kotoko looks like 10 yrs old while Kuro hold her lol

It's good to see that Kuro have feelings for Kotoko too. That's what I like in this anime, the romance between them ❤️ but the case are only few and Nanase is too long so it got boring, very heavy dialogue.. I hope next season, it will be one case per episode.
Apr 2, 2020 10:42 PM

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4/10 overall. Production value was ok but I just didn't find it entertaining. Main guy was drab. Main girl was kind of a nerd. Saki-san was sexy, should've had more fanservice from her. She was drab though.

Way too much dialogue and monologues in this show. And the pace was glacial. One case in 12 episodes?
Apr 3, 2020 11:57 PM
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Rikka and Saki carried this show for me..

Apr 4, 2020 5:04 AM

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In the nicest way possible: I wouldn't have missed anything if I had chosen not to watch this anime.

I don't regret watching it, I just put the expectation of more into the wrong one - it had potential to be so much more.

My stubbornness and both the OP & ED made me reach the finishing line.
Apr 4, 2020 8:04 AM

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This is why I wait until a season is complete before watching an Anime. I'm sure if I had watched it from week to week I'd have been annoyed with it's super slow pacing. But since I binge watch it doesn't really bother me.

Everything up until the steel lady arc was great. Korou and Kotoko proved to be a killer dynamic. They are so fun to watch interact that the story doesn't really matter. I say that because I found the steel lady arc to be quite boring. It just dragged for too long and never got any emotional investment from me. If not for Korou/Kotoko, this Anime would have came very close to being dropped.

Overall I rate a 7/10. Before the lady steel arc it was a 9. During the arc it was a 6. The last episode put a big ol' smile on my face and gave me that warm sensation I get like drinking a cup of cocoa on a cold winters day. Kotoko Iwanaga is officially on my top 10 all time favorite female characters list. I'd down to see a 2nd season.
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Apr 4, 2020 11:18 PM

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I still give this an 8 out of 10 because I was entertained by the witty writing and Kotoko as a character. I loved her dry wit.

But that said all the criticisms about the story being dragged out are vaild and that hurts my score for this.

Still worthy of going on my blu ray shelf.
Apr 5, 2020 8:12 AM
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I was liking this show the first couple of episodes but my god those last 4-5 episodes moved so slow and killed my enjoyment. At least this episode was a good finale.
Apr 5, 2020 9:05 AM
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all i can say is, I'm disappointed. but it was still good.

Apr 5, 2020 9:36 AM

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What a peculiar anime, and I don't mean that in a possitive way, it feels derivative, outdated and outclassed by previous anime despite being new, also it was so boring. The interactions between the leads was somewhat fun in earlier episodes but beyond that, there was nothing.
Apr 5, 2020 10:18 AM

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Overall, didn't like it much. The real mystery is never uncovered Kotoko simply comes up with theories that would satisfy the curiosity of those involved. Not to mention Kotoko was the worst girl this season, I'm definitely not pleased with Kurou loving her back.
Apr 8, 2020 7:53 AM

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Loved the second half of this episode so much, Kuro x Iwanaga.

Series was pretty unique, overall enjoyable with really good character design, though felt a little stale towards the end. Whoever looks like Nanase in real life now will probably get harassed if someone who's present during this whole discussion on the web saw someone like that.. this whole lie will get someone in trouble for sure which is why I am not particularly fond of it.

Still gonna read the manga though, hopefully I won't get drown out by the excessive dialogues.
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Apr 9, 2020 3:54 PM

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Lol Kotoko made a dirty joke

Cute interactions between Kuro and Kotoko this episode.

I guess that's the end. I came in with decently high expectations and after seeing the first episode I thought this would be a pretty good watch. Unfortunately, I was unimpressed. This went from being a shounen-esque series to an overdone mystery starting at the second episode. Seriously, judging from what happened in the first episode, I was expecting something of a totally different scale. Instead it turned out to be a series that crammed in as much dialogue per episode as possible. There's a limit to how much dialogue works, and this anime far exceeded those limits.

Moreover, what's with it taking a full 20 minute episode to explain one "solution"? Just when I thought this anime was going poorly it got even worse because of how drawn out the final episodes were. Everything here could've been easily condensed.

It didn't meet my expectations. 3/10.
Apr 13, 2020 6:04 AM

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Honestly, the best part of this show is Kotoko and Kuro's relationship, and while the main mystery was fine, I just wish they showed a little more. Then again, a part of why the relationship is so good is that they sprinkle it over the mystery.

Saki, not gonna get angrier that the walking dead killed your senpai? Then again, can't exactly do much to an immortal who isn't afraid to off-themselves to see a perfect future... or the fact, you'd have to immerse yourself deeper into that world that you're completely and utterly afraid of.

Apart from that, got a little bored of steel-beam girl, but her origin was a good point, and the final battle of Kuro Vs Steel Beam, Kotoko Vs Internet/Rika was pretty unique. At least in this setting.

7/10 for me. Kotoko is enough for 4, their relationship for 2, and the mystery for another 1.
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Apr 14, 2020 8:19 PM

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I agree with what everyone is saying here. This arc was WAY longer than it needed to be and was honestly kind of a struggle to get through. It was SO mind-numbing at certain points. The dynamic between Kotoko and Kuro really does carry the show though, and is the sole reason I stayed on board.
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Who else thinks that this should have been a 24 episode series or at least a split cour with how it was paced?
Apr 26, 2020 2:40 PM

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This show was quite underwhelming. Surprisingly it started out interesting but fell apart very quickly. There was little to no development of the main character or any real insight in their past. Rather there were just bits and pieces. The main character Kuro was boringly bland except for his immortality. Iwanaga was somewhat fun to watch.

The pacing was also a major issue especially with the Steel Lady Nanase arc. And it's not like the arc was engaging either. It felt stupid too. Like how can Rikka bring people's imagination into reality?
Apr 26, 2020 2:43 PM

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I don't like how the anime was put together. I think the 12 episodes were too short and the Steel Lady arc was kinda boring. The only fun I had watching it was Iwanga because she was funny and interesting. But whatever, I enjoyed it I guess
Apr 28, 2020 12:56 AM
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It really was a good anime and I liked that touch of history and mystery, anyone who wants to criticize and opine is welcome, I can only say that this anime made me have a good time and that's more than enough.
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Apr 29, 2020 1:56 AM
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Seriously Man, I had to force myself in completing this one. I decided to watch this one because of all the commotion Crunchyroll did but I must say I'm pretty much disappointed. Plus I don't really like the character of Kotoko, I think Kuro And Saki are a good match!
May 3, 2020 8:56 PM

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I've always loved the mystery genre, even more so when the supernatural are involved so I enjoyed this.

The Nanase arc dragged on a little too long and I would have liked to see more cases being solved though.

But I appreciate the unique elements of this series; never quite seen a heroine like Kotoko. Normally clingy, jealous girls annoy me but it's always played for laughs with her so I was more amused than annoyed. xD

And did anyone find it SUPER RARE that every character was at least 19 years old and up? Adults dealing with adult problems in a youkai often does this happen?
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May 4, 2020 11:19 AM

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Those 3+ episodes they spent sitting in the car could have been condensed into 1. By the time she got to her last theory, I couldn't bring myself to care anymore, just wanted it to end. Thought this was a solid series until that point. Quite disappointed.
May 5, 2020 12:26 AM

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Damn Kuro, that was a really smooth line there at the end

Quite the dialogue heavy series, a lot of interesting conversations but also some that felt a bit too stretched and unnessary. The Nanase case felt a bit too long tbh considering we literally see Kuro getting the shit beaten out of him while Kotoko and Saki just sit in the car arguing with internet strangers for multiple episodes, which could have been reduce to fewer episodes imo. However I'm glad they didn't speedrun through the case as that would be worse than dragging it out. Overall pretty good anime in the way it feels pretty unique compared to other anime
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May 7, 2020 7:39 AM

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Its an okay series. Its interesting at the start but it dragged too much on the Steel Angel Nanase arc. I really don't find any of the characters likable, but they're okay. Not even dull. Kotoko maybe cute and smart, but her jealousy annoys me.

May 11, 2020 2:03 AM

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The end? Okay, idk if thats the truth. Since somehow the source material can not be done lately, so i guess this show right fotlr promoting that resource, eh?

Overall, this is an interesting show with a unique story linking world of soul, monster, human, god, and so on, in one universe. Obviously not my best, but can not be my bad either. The reason was easy, love the Kotoko characteristic being a legal loli with so much cute scenes with Kurou in the end. Just it, besiding every lame aspect happened in the Queen of steel Nanase arcs previously.

Sadly, with the nicest contributions aparts, their stories progression were poor, and i can say it so lack of power to control all the good moments. Their lacking keep continue until its very last. Fortunately, the end at my honest point, was an okay attempt, referring all of the problem finished, Rikka problem still going on, and Saki san feel was over. And ofc the happy ending with the relationship between Kotoko and Kurou. Whatever happen in the time skip, i can understand a little.

With that reason, and with my respect of the nice sound track in the opening, once again, 8 scores out of 10 to the over all, must be enough to keep this show alive until its real finished in the resource material. Yet, maybe im too over rated on this. However, my minds are still clear. 'Very good' statement was more than highly acceptable, rather deny myself to not liking the heroine characterization and Saki san memorable scenes pointing. Thats all i can say.

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May 23, 2020 6:06 AM

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Was only me who thought Saki was gonna get accused for the murder afterwards?
Jun 25, 2020 4:44 PM

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Did not expect this at all and I'm very pleased to say that almost after 8 years I actually found an anime that at least for me felt that it had a close resemblance to my most favourite anime being: Gosick.

From setting to pacing, characters to plot, they all had a nice connection with each other, parts remained a mystery for the viewer to either make up themselves or might find out in a future sequel as there's enough room to continue the story but the viewer also gotten enough closure for it being this single season.

Got to say that I really liked the cases and while it mostly focused on the latter part the introduction and development was kept into check without need of further information to make sure the viewer got the information they needed to tell the story they wanted.

So yea you can really say I enjoyed this anime very much, and like Gosick would love to see a sequel as I am sure even that would be great to see!

All in all it was a great watch and I really enjoyed marathoning this series!
Jul 27, 2020 5:39 AM

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While this series starts out resembling Hyouka (quickly evolving to be more like Kamisama no Memochou and Gosick), the ending stretch (which is like 50% of the runtime) curiously introduces some Kaze no Stigma vibes of all things... which I can't say improved anything in this instance.

While the central relationship is amusing the only real takeaway I have from the show as a whole is its somewhat uncommon stance regarding lies vs. truth: Mystery series generally concern themselves with revealing the truth, while this rather emphatically seeks to do the very opposite.

Ultimately I'm not sure what audience this show was supposed to reach, as it slips and slides through all sorts of different genres and foci over the course of its 12 episodes; the only real constant is the fondness for expository/explanatory dialog. It's a 'godly strategist MC' show in 'moe detective/mystery' clothing that only gets to fully show off its protagonist's skill in the second-to-last episode.

I can't even recommend it to fans of Death Note or UN-GO because of the moe romantic comedy aspects and fact the mind games show up so late.... Maybe fans of Kyoukai no Kanata?
Aug 4, 2020 4:32 AM
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I didn't hate this anime but I didn't like it either. I don't mind heavy dialogue in an anime but when its overdone and unnecessary that's where the problem is, and that is what this anime did towards the end. At the beginning I had such high hope but as I kept on watching I became more and more disinterested.

If there is another season hopeful it won't be too dialogue heavy and boring.
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