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ssjokg said: Kish0 said: Haha, ofc ofc Quetzalcoatl isn't dead yet, let them have a nicending, I just wonder why they don't just include Ereshkigal while they're at it. Well it seems Fujimaru has someone that will protect his virginity. So that's where Gilgamesh arrogance comes from, although in this show, even after that event he's not as arrogant as he is in FSN or FZ, so that is still a plot holes. Yes character development is a plot hole. Seems, you didn't get what I'm trying to say, well not that it matters since probably this plot hole will never be plugged. |
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Kish0 said: Seems, you didn't get what I'm trying to say, well not that it matters since probably this plot hole will never be plugged. Do you even get what you are saying? No. please explain to this stupid fan, why is it a plothole that older Gil isnt as arrogant as his FSN/FZ version. |
Kish0 said: So that's where Gilgamesh arrogance comes from, although in this show, even after that event he's not as arrogant as he is in FSN or FZ, so that is still a plot holes. Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. |
astroprogs said: Kish0 said: So that's where Gilgamesh arrogance comes from, although in this show, even after that event he's not as arrogant as he is in FSN or FZ, so that is still a plot holes. Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. Hmmm......ok that clears my confusion. Although, I guess this series should've made it clearer between different version of Gilgamesh for anime-viewer only, but I guess it's a marketing strategy, thx anyway for clearing things up. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
ssjokg said: Kish0 said: Seems, you didn't get what I'm trying to say, well not that it matters since probably this plot hole will never be plugged. Do you even get what you are saying? No. please explain to this stupid fan, why is it a plothole that older Gil isnt as arrogant as his FSN/FZ version. Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. That's the answer to your question. |
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Kish0 said: ssjokg said: Do you even get what you are saying? No. please explain to this stupid fan, why is it a plothole that older Gil isnt as arrogant as his FSN/FZ version. Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. That's the answer to your question. What does copying another users's post even answer? Why is it a plot hole? |
Kish0 said: astroprogs said: Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. Hmmm......ok that clears my confusion. Although, I guess this series should've made it clearer between different version of Gilgamesh for anime-viewer only, but I guess it's a marketing strategy, thx anyway for clearing things up. The show explained this at least twice both at the beginning and at the end. |
Kish0 said: astroprogs said: Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. Hmmm......ok that clears my confusion. Although, I guess this series should've made it clearer between different version of Gilgamesh for anime-viewer only, but I guess it's a marketing strategy, thx anyway for clearing things up. They kinda did. One of the first things we hear about Gilgamesh in Babylonia is that this is after the death of Enkidu. We hear this as early as episode 2 when Merlin attacked Kingu for claiming to be Enkidu. Merlin dropping the bit of info about Enkidu being dead serves both a purpose in the story and for the viewer, as it nudges them to understand where Gilgames's character stands at this point in time. |
ssjokg said: Kish0 said: Hmmm......ok that clears my confusion. Although, I guess this series should've made it clearer between different version of Gilgamesh for anime-viewer only, but I guess it's a marketing strategy, thx anyway for clearing things up. The show explained this at least twice both at the beginning and at the end. astroprogs said: Kish0 said: Hmmm......ok that clears my confusion. Although, I guess this series should've made it clearer between different version of Gilgamesh for anime-viewer only, but I guess it's a marketing strategy, thx anyway for clearing things up. They kinda did. One of the first things we hear about Gilgamesh in Babylonia is that this is after the death of Enkidu. We hear this as early as episode 2 when Merlin attacked Kingu for claiming to be Enkidu. Merlin dropping the bit of info about Enkidu being dead serves both a purpose in the story and for the viewer, as it nudges them to understand where Gilgames's character stands at this point in time. Yes, I know that but they didn't explain what version Gilgamesh is when he appears as a Servant to save the day, the same could be said to FZ and FSN that it's not explained. |
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Kish0 said: astroprogs said: They kinda did. One of the first things we hear about Gilgamesh in Babylonia is that this is after the death of Enkidu. We hear this as early as episode 2 when Merlin attacked Kingu for claiming to be Enkidu. Merlin dropping the bit of info about Enkidu being dead serves both a purpose in the story and for the viewer, as it nudges them to understand where Gilgames's character stands at this point in time. Yes, I know that but they didn't explain what version Gilgamesh is when he appears as a Servant to save the day, the same could be said to FZ and FSN that it's not explained. It is pretty obvious who is what version from their attitude. Doesnt need any explanation. |
Kish0 said: astroprogs said: Have you read the Epic of Gilgamesh? The change in Gil's personality as a direct result of losing both Enkidu and the potion of immortality is an essential plot point in that ancient story. Basically, he stopped being an ass after losing the only friend he ever had and having to face his own mortality. As a result, he returned to Uruk to rule it as a wise king. This all takes place before the events of this show, so Gil has already gone through his Epic of Gilgamesh character development, unlike in F/SN and F/Z. Hmmm......ok that clears my confusion. Although, I guess this series should've made it clearer between different version of Gilgamesh for anime-viewer only, but I guess it's a marketing strategy, thx anyway for clearing things up. It was mentioned by Merlin, and Gilgamesh explains it here, though. Servants are copies of records in the thrones summoned on their peaks. As Archer, he's summoned when he was strongest physically. That was his youth when he was a tyrannical ruler who just wanted adventure. He has memories of his life, but the personality and emotional maturity manifested is in his youth. The one in Babylonia is (until Tiamat kills him), alive and after his journey. This shouldn't be a spoiler, because it has thousands of years of background. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh was a tyrant but after Enkidu's death and his failed quest matured to become a wise monarch, building walls to protect his people. He does the same here, gives context which walls he built. Fate is all about the different sides of legends. That's why you get Arturia as the antagonist in the previous Singularity to this one (very clear in Camelot movies trailer so I don't consider it a spoiler), Gilgamesh is the hero in Babylonia. Even if those roles were reversed in FSN/FZ. |
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Sapphixd said: It's Gilgamesh's spirit.I rewatched the last episode again and couldn't figure out who was the servant who faded out on top of a cliff when the little kid looks over |
| Hand itching to summon all servants from this arc now ;-; |
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| Wouldn't be too crazy too think that some apocalyptic shit like that happened for real in Uruk. To me whole show felt like the writers kinda knew what really happened there in the past lol. Anyways this was a great series, probably up there with Fate/Zero, except in the music department, cause that Fate/zero ost composed by Yuki Kajiura was perfect. Show is highly re-watchable, can't wait for that Solomon arc. |
| Honestly, the whole Tiamat ordeal was probably my favourite fight sequence out of any of the shows. She truly felt on a completely different level. And this Fate has the best version of Gilgamesh. Plus Ereshkigal is too good. |
| I guess I can settle on giving this show a 4/10. The randomness, the conveniences, the forced attempt to draw emotion from the viewer that was not earned in the slightest, nothing worked at all for me. This show might have been well animated (outside of Tiamet anyway, the CGI was awful) but everything else sucked. Oh but it did well to give people their blushing anime girls, did that very well. If only it did as well with characters and story. Right at the, Gilgamesh offered the two nothings of leads a drink and they say they are underage. GTFO. You can risk your lives but can't have a little alcohol. Honestly, this stupidity really was the cherry on top of this nothing of an anime. |
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| I will need that gif of gilgamesh drinking off the holy grail. 8/10 Well that's mostly it. |
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| Meeting Quetz, Taiga, Merlin, Ishtar, and King Gilgamesh again and having a conversation was so satisfying. my only gripe was with the pacing regardess it was a fun ride. |
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| Quetzalcoatl = best fate girl by light years |
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| this series reminds me of Magi saga starting with Magi: Sinbad no Bouken |
| I'm a bit late to the whole thing but Babylonia anime was actually the reason I started playing FGO. I give Babylonia 10/10 but only because I enjoyed it incredibly despite disliking a lot of things. BUT I do have to admit I fast-fowarded a lot of fighting scenes and stuff in the beginning because the MC and Mashu are incredbily boring. But that's to be expected from a mobile game character. I'm a big fan of the Fate franchise and I love Fate Zero. I found UBW boring back when it was released but now that I have knowledge why things happened the way they did I rewatched UBW twice this year and found it incredibly entertaining, enjoying every tiny moment (especially my favorite Lancer that dies every single time...). Heaven's Feel movies were great as movies but Sakura is insanely annoying as a character. So with all that said, I treated Babylonia as Gilgamesh's story. His attitude, the reason things happened the way they happened, the reason he didn't fight in the front lines most of the time, his tiny interactions and memories with Siduri and Enkidu, etc etc. I found all that to be very precious. I understand that the Archer Gil is summoned from when he was in his prime, meaning that he didn't get that immortality plant stolen yet. But basically we got to see what kind of king he turned into once he came to terms with his life and human mortality. Gil's words about what being a king means, his view on humans and civilization, the way he ruled. I find it all very fascinating as it adds to all the complexity that his character is. The thing I find sad about Fate in general is.... death is one of the main topics. Holy Grail War is fought to death, heroic spirits are summoned even though they're aleady dead and have already lived their lives, yet they are forced into the real world again but have no right to move on their own or to try and start a new life. I think it's torture. Seeing how Gil died in the end of Babylonia was also very sad. I'm not sure if non-players know but the Gil that appeared at the very end of the story is only a ghost, Gilgamesh died when Tiamat attacked. He used his death as a catalyst to summon himself as an Archer. I also really loved "Prover" and "Tell Me" as well as ending animation. To sum it up, rather than the story, I looked at the characters (Merlin was also incredibly interesting as well as Kingu). Loved that moment when Kingu cried because of Enkidu's emotions and wish to talk to Gil but knew that wish could never ever come true. To me it summed up the whole Babylonia singularity. |
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| Honestly, there were many parts of the show that needed more explaining for a non-gamer like me to comprehend but I'd a lot of fun watching the dynamic characters and cluster of battles so I'm more than satisfied right now. A couple of hours surfing on reddit and/or quora will do the trick much like the other Fate entries will do, xD. A chill episode for the finale but a fitting end considering the long fight over the previous few episodes. Quetzacoatl's surprise appearance was nice but it's sad that she'd to depart again though. Jaguarman's presence certainly made things a little more lively, lol. Final moments with the ED theme in the background and Gilgamesh passing over the grail (cup) sequence was brilliant. I was just smiling like an idiot throughout. I was expecting something about the Old Man, btw. I didn't really understand the whole purpose behind his existence. For the most bit, I was convinced he will play out the antagonist role but he somehow ended up playing a winger role for the MC. All in all, the story department felt fairly inconsistent and incomprehensible but the characters carried through for me. Hats off to Cloverworks for a good portion of the action sequences though, they really nailed it and were on certain scene on par with Ufotable imo and that's something! Op and ED themes were a pleasure to tune in as well, special mention to milet for those wonderful tracks. I actually had both the themes downloaded already but listening to it here felt like getting the full package lol. Gilgamesh turned out to be a lot different in this route and, quite frankly, I found it to be very intriguing. In particular, his interactions with Siduri and Enkidu plus Fujimaru this episode were fantastic. The contrast between his condescending attitude and caring self was a treat, lol. Definitely one of my fav characters from this season. Ereshkigal and Ishtar, I was expecting more screentime of the two together but it turned out to be just the end there that took the spotlight. Ueda Kana-san sure nailed both the roles though, I don't think they were all that different in the first place but somehow there was enough of a difference to tell the two apart. Got to say, Ishtar and Tohsaka from the OG had a very similar vibe from the start and it added a new flavour to the show for me. Ana and Merlin were really fun to keep up with as well. Ana in her true form definitely went down way too fast, I remember I was just about getting hyped for something but it didn't turn out to budge Mother all that much, sadly. MCs in Fujimaru and Mash were probably my least interesting characters in all fairness but they weren't annoying by any means so no demerits for that from my end. Ushiwaka stood out to me quite a bit as well, it's a pity how she was darkened and killed off too early however. Going to settle with a very generous 8/10. Looking forward to Solomon next! I incorrectly thought Babylonia was the last singularity all this time, lol. So I'm more curious to see now what that's got in store for us. |
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| That was a fun watch. Googled the order and it shows the First order as the starting point, which is obv right, but it is such a downgrade of introduction so not even sure if it is worth starting with it. So crazy and cool how people come up with such stories, but need to take all of this for granted as FSN already gave you like summoning different famous people as servants. This one goes even further beyond into future with time traveling and whatever more. Not that bad, just goes more and more weird. The biggest problem for me, the constant switching between comedy and serious plot. I think the comedy is not (all the time) that bad, but the amount of it really breaks the serious flow. And i think this series should be considered serious with all the fighting and blood spilling. Also mb another comedy part, the little romance scenes felt so out of place ... Siduri - best character in this one! Fou - the best character in FGO =/ Don't know that much about FGO, but watching the end thought that Gilgamesh could soloed whatever coming at him if he wanted. Merlin is OP. Have no idea why Ishtar was there, for fanservice i guess and future Rin. Don't know if people like Fujimaru, his character feels so underwhelming, mb a little bit better impression for the last episodes. Don't really know how to make him better, but what's his character is really like "let's go", "let's do it". Mb that is Master's job. Also don't know much about "technical" part, but how he supplies Ishtar and Quetzacotl, shouldn't there be like "official contract". Overall 7/10 very fun ride, gotta watch whatever left. Gugulanna! Gugulanna!!! |
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| They kind of lost me a little bit at the end, everything seemed so grandiose and over the top, jampacked with action, explosions and cool sounding attacks lol. I guess when it's at the scale of Goddesses, it'll have to be pretty epic. The fight formula and structure isn't the greatest though here, a lot of convenience throughout, I enjoyed the 1-1 fights in other Fate anime more. I love the characters of Fate, except the male MCs it seems lol. 8/10. |
| Just a wrapup episode basically with people complimenting the main character again what a cool dude he is. Which sums up this show pretty well actually, the protagonist has the personality of a wooden stick but everyone loves him. Mash is completely useless unless he tells her to do something. The story was quite generic with huge plot holes like people just randomly appearing. In my opinion definitely the worst Fate story I've watched so far. 3/10 |
| It was a fun journey! All hail for the awesome characters in this show. I absolutely enjoyed it until the end. Ishtar best girl (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤ |
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| What a great, action-packed extravaganza this turned out to be. Only complaints would be the 'Jaguar' character and how the protagonists don't actually end up contributing much to the battles (beyond Fujimaru frequently serving as a mana battery). |
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