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| Well that was unexpected. I like how this show turns the themes and atmospheric elements that are predictable on their heads. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
Dang man, no need to be a fanboy We get it, you love the D on anything that is japanese animation. |
KimurahMar 16, 2020 9:33 AM
| nice insert song also 1 ep left |
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Ramcius said: Well isn't connected to people's heads, it's a copy, director literally says he kills himself, so well couldn't be updated later, you know, to avoid Narihisago issue that we've seen just couple episodes ago... It's a copy that still requires the Mizuhanome to be powered up in order to keep his "concience" alive inside a well. What's going to happen if the people outside the Kura are smart enough to cut all power to the building? My point that the director kills himself to avoid the sand storm sounds like a paradox, his body isn't alive anymore, but his concience or mind as you want to call it lives inside an artificial well that should be easy to just cut off the power. The other divers like Hondomachi or Narisago were provided proof that they needed a living creature to dive into these wells. If any AI was able to dive in in the same matter as the director does by killing his own body, then why wasn't set up so that AI programs would dive into these wells, rather than send actual people into these dangerous dives. Ramcius said: It doesn't require team to send someone in well, it was shown that they can enter it, when Hondomachi and Narihisago entered wells inside the wells That's just an inconsistency that became a staple a few episodes ago. If these divers that have no tech training in order to operate a complex machine can turn them on and sync into the very specific well they want to dive can operate them with just a few button smashes, then what's the point of having a whole dozen of technicians monitoring their advancement on each dive? Ramcius said: Momoki was visiting Kiki in hospital, so he obviously knew about helmet and experiments, he was investigating her disappearance too, but why anyone else should be involved? They had nothing to do with Kiki This wasn't shown at all, it was a short part of Momoki's sidestory presented in a fast infodump in previous episodes. Just because he "said" he investigated her case doesn't equate to him actually knowing everything vital to put Kiki in check, it's a very poor "tell don't show" scheme, let the "kiddies" fill in the blanks rather than actually show how deeply involved Momoki was in this case. Him being the only one involved in this particular case sounds quite farfetched, there's a good reason why investigators have partners to back up their investigation rather than let one single man misuse evidence in order to throw a case because of a bad cop. Also there's always documentation to fill in regarding closed cases or even cold cases, at least someone else in the Kura should had heard of such a bizarre case where a dozen of nurses went into coma. Pulling out this magical helmet that was never shown in prior episodes is the exact definition of an asspull Momoki being the sole and only soul in the Kura knowing about kaeru/Kiki's case is so ridiculously convenient. The same can be duplicated on Hondomachi's deduction to pin the director as the culprit. Her deduction was based on how many employees of the Kura worked night shifts and it happened to be only one, the director, not even a single other detective or any kind of staff such as technicians or even cleaning services happened to work those particular nights that the conveniently self proclaimed ocd math wiz genius happened to remember just one episode ago |
KimurahMar 16, 2020 9:40 AM
Kimurah said: Ramcius said: Well isn't connected to people's heads, it's a copy, director literally says he kills himself, so well couldn't be updated later, you know, to avoid Narihisago issue that we've seen just couple episodes ago... It's a copy that still requires the Mizuhanome to be powered up in order to keep his "concience" alive inside a well. What's going to happen if the people outside the Kura are smart enough to cut all power to the building? My point that the director kills himself to avoid the sand storm sounds like a paradox, his body isn't alive anymore, but his concience or mind as you want to call it lives inside an artificial well that should be easy to just cut off the power. The other divers like Hondomachi or Narisago were provided proof that they needed a living creature to dive into these wells. If any AI was able to dive in in the same matter as the director does by killing his own body, then why wasn't set up so that AI programs would dive into these wells, rather than send actual people into these dangerous dives. Ramcius said: It doesn't require team to send someone in well, it was shown that they can enter it, when Hondomachi and Narihisago entered wells inside the wells That's just an inconsistency that became a staple a few episodes ago. If these divers that have no tech training in order to operate a complex machine can turn them on and sync into the very specific well they want to dive can operate them with just a few button smashes, then what's the point of having a whole dozen of technicians monitoring their advancement on each dive? Ramcius said: Momoki was visiting Kiki in hospital, so he obviously knew about helmet and experiments, he was investigating her disappearance too, but why anyone else should be involved? They had nothing to do with Kiki This wasn't shown at all, it was a short part of Momoki's sidestory presented in a fast infodump in previous episodes. Just because he "said" he investigated her case doesn't equate to him actually knowing everything vital to put Kiki in check, it's a very poor "tell don't show" scheme, let the "kiddies" fill in the blanks rather than actually show how deeply involved Momoki was in this case. Him being the only one involved in this particular case sounds quite farfetched, there's a good reason why investigators have partners to back up their investigation rather than let one single man misuse evidence in order to throw a case because of a bad cop. Also there's always documentation to fill in regarding closed cases or even cold cases, at least someone else in the Kura should had heard of such a bizarre case where a dozen of nurses went into coma. Pulling out this magical helmet that was never shown in prior episodes is the exact definition of an asspull Momoki being the sole and only soul in the Kura knowing about kaeru/Kiki's case is so ridiculously convenient. The same can be duplicated on Hondomachi's deduction to pin the director as the culprit. Her deduction was based on how many employees of the Kura worked night shifts and it happened to be only one, the director, not even a single other detective or any kind of staff such as technicians or even cleaning services happened to work those particular nights that the conveniently self proclaimed ocd math wiz genius happened to remember just one episode ago He's in Kiki's head, so cutting power doesn't work. Apparently they don't have that much advanced AI, we haven't seen any at least, so you can't make up one for your one convenience Yes, they were monitoring, cause no one knows how exactly this technology works and what might go wrong, they never said it requires complex launching mechanisms They showed helm in "fake" world, when Narihisago visited Kiki, so it's safe to assume that something similar happened in real world. Momoki wasn't alone, who knew, but he was alone, who was involved with Kiki - he saved her and Kura wasn't a thing back then. What documentation you expect, when Momoki was just visiting victim, Kiki was witness at most, but Challenger was dead, so it most likely was needed either It wasn't night shift, it was work trip to different country with different timezone. Also, I like your imagination - cleaning service guy knowing how to use Mizuhanome... |
| I don’t know how to feel about this episode, I didn’t like it. The previous three episodes were definitely better. |
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| Nice insert song. But I have so many questions!!! |
Now you're tripping over your own words. You just said that all those wells were copies, but now conveniently for your own messed up rant it's inside Kiki's head. Ramcius said: Apparently they don't have that much advanced AI, we haven't seen any at least, so you can't make up one for your one convenience Apparently with what? the show has been very piss-poor to world building for 12 episodes. We know absolutely nothing of the outside world outside of Kura, but now you're claiming that "apparently" they don't have that much advanced AI, but can create a huge machinery that can create copies of wells from criminal's mind using a cheesy rip-off of a PKE meter from Ghostbusters. Quit your bullshit, you're the one pulling excuses out of your ass for pure convenience. Ramcius said: Yes, they were monitoring, cause no one knows how exactly this technology works and what might go wrong, they never said it requires complex launching mechanisms They never stated that they don't know how their tech works. For christ sake, even the director mentioned they have been using it for years. This isn't some sort of prototype tech. Ramcius said: They showed helm in "fake" world, when Narihisago visited Kiki, so it's safe to assume that something similar happened in real world. Momoki wasn't alone, who knew, but he was alone, who was involved with Kiki - he saved her and Kura wasn't a thing back then. hurr durr It popped up in the fake world, therefore it should be 100% real hurr durr. And also the fake world was able to produce inverted gravity fields where Narisago could run over them in inverted position, could create an almost videogame like enviroment with dismembered people. Could create a city dvided by a pit of brimstone, and even in kiki's world she would die over and over due to JW's buddies but she would be alive the next day. Yeah, the asumptions weren't anything you'd use as hardcore evidence. Lets even ignore that Kiki never actually met Narisago's family, yet she was able to recreate them and a whole city out of her own imagination. Ramcius said: What documentation you expect, when Momoki was just visiting victim, Kiki was witness at most, but Challenger was dead, so it most likely was needed either A proper police report either on paper or on a server. Officers on duty must report everything they do in order to avoid foul game on an investigation. Specially on a witness who was also a victim of a murder attempt Hondomachi's deduction was a complete asspull. She pulled out of nowhere that the culprit was someone within the Kura organization and that it was someone operating on a different time zone (wich also brings even more questions if there are more than one Mizuhanome) but it's ridiculous that a huge organization that has such a diverse staff to have only one and no more staff operating at different timezones Ramcius said: But a cop with no tech skills/education can actually operate a complex machine with just a few button smashes, right? That goes double for the Gravedigger couple that knew how to create an untraceble zombie stream without being tracked not to mention they were also experts in explosives and triggering devices, but the series never stablished what kind of job they actually had. Also, I like your imagination - cleaning service guy knowing how to use Mizuhanome... Nice way of shooting yourself on the foot. |
KimurahMar 16, 2020 7:05 PM
| More than John Walker being Chief Hayaseura behind all this, it seems that he's using Kiki Asukai for his own benefits, destroying all ID:Wells in a flash and turning Kura into a Mizuhanome all at once with her. With the inclusion to the ID:Well, remembering all those Monday to Sunday names last episode are all John Walker's and his alone, with Hondomachi and Sakaido entering into his ID:Well. Furthermore, the catalyst of all that is Kiki herself, and the Kura employees have no choice but to directly ask Matsuoka for last-minute help with Director Momoki to land the final blow on Kiki. With that said, the combination of John Walker's ID:Wells with everyone else's is threatening their lives, just like with Episode 1 when Sakaido entered into an ID:Well with the same optimism: to find the cause of Kaeru, now with John Walker and defeating him once and for all. Surprising that Fukuda made it into John Walker's ID:Well without the cockpit, but it's nice to see them reconcile after all that's happened. With the brain-drilled hole and his subsequent death from Inami, Fukuda actually implied that death was knocking on his door, but it's just harrowing to see him go like this. And knowing John Walker, Inami didn't live to see Kazuta. From now, it's both Hondomachi and Narihisago's effort to bring Chief Hayaseura to an end, despite his own suicide in the real world, to be hidden in his ID:Well and remain the mass serial killer never brought to justice. What a brilliant episode to draw the penultimate finale next week. |
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I Reject My Humanity JOJO! ngl, I almost dropped this show, but its way better now! |
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| Man, Fukuda has been such a nice supporting character. Seriously, I'm actually quite impressed with how relevant his character ended up being. Such a shame he died tho... there's still a chance of seeing him again in the real world but I highly doubt it considering he really wanted to die. Anyways, nice episode. Lots of things happened and a few questions are still unanswered but the overall handling of events has been quite satisfactory so far. My only "complaint" would be Kiki's psychic ability not having a "reasonable" explanation and just being presented as a plot necessity but honestly, it isn't really a big problem since Sci-Fi shows using supernatural elements are normally common. This said, there's just one more episode to go and I can't wait to see how the Narihisago/Hondoumachi duo will manage to stop chief Hayaseura/John Walker. |
Kimurah said: Now you're tripping over your own words. You just said that all those wells were copies, but now conveniently for your own messed up rant it's inside Kiki's head. Ramcius said: Apparently they don't have that much advanced AI, we haven't seen any at least, so you can't make up one for your one convenience Apparently with what? the show has been very piss-poor to world building for 12 episodes. We know absolutely nothing of the outside world outside of Kura, but now you're claiming that "apparently" they don't have that much advanced AI, but can create a huge machinery that can create copies of wells from criminal's mind using a cheesy rip-off of a PKE meter from Ghostbusters. Quit your bullshit, you're the one pulling excuses out of your ass for pure convenience. Ramcius said: Yes, they were monitoring, cause no one knows how exactly this technology works and what might go wrong, they never said it requires complex launching mechanisms They never stated that they don't know how their tech works. For christ sake, even the director mentioned they have been using it for years. This isn't some sort of prototype tech. Ramcius said: They showed helm in "fake" world, when Narihisago visited Kiki, so it's safe to assume that something similar happened in real world. Momoki wasn't alone, who knew, but he was alone, who was involved with Kiki - he saved her and Kura wasn't a thing back then. hurr durr It popped up in the fake world, therefore it should be 100% real hurr durr. And also the fake world was able to produce inverted gravity fields where Narisago could run over them in inverted position, could create an almost videogame like enviroment with dismembered people. Could create a city dvided by a pit of brimstone, and even in kiki's world she would die over and over due to JW's buddies but she would be alive the next day. Yeah, the asumptions weren't anything you'd use as hardcore evidence. Lets even ignore that Kiki never actually met Narisago's family, yet she was able to recreate them and a whole city out of her own imagination. Ramcius said: What documentation you expect, when Momoki was just visiting victim, Kiki was witness at most, but Challenger was dead, so it most likely was needed either A proper police report either on paper or on a server. Officers on duty must report everything they do in order to avoid foul game on an investigation. Specially on a witness who was also a victim of a murder attempt Hondomachi's deduction was a complete asspull. She pulled out of nowhere that the culprit was someone within the Kura organization and that it was someone operating on a different time zone (wich also brings even more questions if there are more than one Mizuhanome) but it's ridiculous that a huge organization that has such a diverse staff to have only one and no more staff operating at different timezones Ramcius said: But a cop with no tech skills/education can actually operate a complex machine with just a few button smashes, right? That goes double for the Gravedigger couple that knew how to create an untraceble zombie stream without being tracked not to mention they were also experts in explosives and triggering devices, but the series never stablished what kind of job they actually had. Also, I like your imagination - cleaning service guy knowing how to use Mizuhanome... Nice way of shooting yourself on the foot. Copies of wells are in Kiki's head, is it too hard to comprehend for you? Or I should say mental imprints of people's unconscious minds If they had advanced AI, they'd used those, so it's logical conclusion that they don't. Technology was created by dead professor and it relies on Kiki's supernatural abilities, not on actual very advanced technologies. Yes, they said they don't know how tech works, have you actually watched this anime? The discussion at funeral, when they concluded that JW is one of them Why it's impossible to recreate world from Narihisago's memories? Also, don't mesh together Well inside well world and Kiki's dreams in that world or wells Fine, but why rest of the Kura should care about Kiki or these documentation? Where you get "no education"? They don't know how machine works, but they know what button to press, while cleaning staff wouldn't know. Like, do you know how your laptop/PC works in great details? I doubt, yet still you know how to post on the internet |
Kimurah said: The director's logic makes no sense. He will get inside his own well, but will also kill himself in the process of it. The whole base of these wells has been that it's the creation of a living person because afterall it's their own ID. If that person is no longer living the well shouldn't exit either. In something more sci-fi hardcore like GITS I can understand it because Lt Kusanagi was mostly cyborg and her psyche was mixed with someone else's in a sea of information. In here it just doesn't add up. Also if everyone got into a coma state due to kiki running havoc in the building, it's ridiculous how Narisago & hondomachi can easily jump in the Mizuhanome when the whole staff of the Kura was needed in order to initiate the complex procedure to insert and eject these brilliant detectives in all the prior cases. This world is ridiculous with it's laws and arrest warrants. Momoki was held in custody a few minutes after they found out that the director was the culprit, wich allegedly should had only issued an arrest warrant, but as soon as Matsuoka loses communication with the Kura whomever has Momoki in a cell just decides "oh my bad you can go now, go get the bad guy". Also how the hell do they know that kiki is the one responsible for all the mayhem with just a few still shots from the surveillance and how did Matsuoka knew about Kiki putting in coma all those nurses inside the double well if he was outside of the Kura (this kind of info leak that was just obtained a few moments ago sounds awfully farfetched to had been broadcasted to someone outside the building in such a quick manner) I mean, the true gravedigger and the fake one were able to outsmart the police department and the kura by making their streams completely untraceable, but broadcasting direct and live feed info to Matsuoka's phone is a totally safe issue? It's awfully convenient for both Hondomachi & Sakaido to know where to find the right mask of each well in order to follow JW in this huge mess. Fukuda must have teleportation skills in order to catch the bullet for Hondomachi despite both of them facing backwards to Inami (meh, the shiping of these two is so ridiculously forced) Oh right, this magical helmet nobody but Momoki knew about it, and also he knew it was able to stop Kiki in a prior incident but after that not a single sould knew what happened to the girl. How convenient... These plot twists in the later stage of the series have bigger holes than the one's on Hondomachi & Fukuda's forehead. Though I think this anime is, generally, a good effort.. I have to agree. Plotholes as big as potholes *smh* |
Kimurah said: Oh right, this magical helmet nobody but Momoki knew about it, and also he knew it was able to stop Kiki in a prior incident but after that not a single sould knew what happened to the girl. How convenient... In episode 10, Between min 4:00 and 5:00. Momoki saw the helmet on that girl in the hospital, the doctor was with her, Momomki went after the doctor and it was only shown that he asked his name, however, Narihisago seemed to talk to kiki for a while before Momoki comes back, so it looks like he asked the doctor some other questions about that helmet, before he returns back to the room (Or that what I got so far lol). |
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SenpaiMars-Barz said: So.....am I the only one who has absolutely zero idea what the police chief is trying to accomplish with his whole scheme? He said something about wanting justice and wanting to investigate on a whole other level....but how does anything he's doing accomplish that? As a matter of fact what IS he actually trying to accomplish? God, it is so hard to understand anything that happens in this show. They do a really bad job explaining anything. Like what even was all that random talk between Hondomachi and the hole guy about 3 and 7? They talk about it like it's somehow relevant, but I fail to understand how.....so much red herring philosophical mumbo-jumbo and no actual dialogue actually guiding the plot. 3 is Fukuda's favorite number, 7 is related to chief, 7 serial killers made by him for every day of the week |
| Omfg, I swear if Fukuda is dead in the real world I will riot! I love him so much and I really ship him and Hondomachi so he needs to LIVE! Can't believe we're only a week away from the finale! Next weeks ep is gonna be fire! I hope that Momoki doesn't have to kill Kiki, but I'm sure she'd rather die than live as the inhuman thing she feared she'd become. |
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| such complicated plot within 1 cour is insane. or is it the production team's intention to confuse people? |
| Okay , while the episode was enjoyable to watch , this shit is getting too complicated too fast. I don't know how they are going to resolve the things in a 24min episode. I am fucking scared that they are going to fuck this up. Here hoping for a nice finale. |
| I still have no fucking clue what is going on, but its good. |
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| First of all, at the beginning when Hayaseura shot Narihisago was really quick and unexpected lmfao. I immediately jolted awake when that happened. Also Hayaseura pulled off the dick move by killing himself and then running around in his own ID wells and others lmfao. However, I'm still confused about the chance of survival if one dies in a well. |
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| I know that this is too late but this is such a great underrated show! 5/5. |
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| I don’t know how i feel about this episode. It was pretty chaotic. And they killed my fav character...so sad. |
| they should left her alone...... |
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
| It all became a mess by two facts, the chase of Hayaseura that is leading us to follow him through multiple wells and that every employ from Kura is in that wells thanks to Asukai. Practically, Hayaseura died, but his mind is still in the wells, and his reasons were, to catch more serials killers?. And there’s a probability not to go back to the reality, and especially for the ones that died, I think. |
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| I don't understand everything but the show is still cool, one more episode to wrap this up. |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
| Some deaths this episode. Didn't really care for the woman, but man, I really do hope to see Fukuda again once they leave the well. Things are heating up! I'm interested to see how this will end. |
| Why did the drill guy ever become good in the first place? |
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| Nah, i was praising it for becoming better but it went full dive again. Gotta say, the OST is once again onpoint tho. |
 「 To other people, I might not have changed at all, but I feel like I was able to change... 」 |
| So he gets caught and bails to the well to chill? Yeah that won't end well for him. That's an odd twist though. |
| I haven't updated in years but now I have changed that. I'll be free soon. |
| I hope they will explain more on why Hayaseura did all of this because I find the reason, to create memory network between all serial killers to catch them before they do it, a bit lacking. Can't believe 'hole-man' Fukuda did that, hope he will live after this ordeal is over. |
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| When the insert song came in, I just thought about how awesome that entire sequence felt, especially visually. Fukuda, you're still a serial killer and we can't brush that off, but that was a great move. Taking one for the team, even if it means he might never wake up again. Really didn't expect to like him this much when he first appeared. Although I don't fully understand, I think what Chief Hayaseura wants is basically creating the conditions where the Kura and the Mizuhanome can't be disregarded anymore. Basically, by creating some of the serial killers that the Kura caught, he's increasing the Kura's reputation and hopes that through his efforts, it'll sort of balance out with how many serial killers in the future that he didn't make that the Kura will catch. That's what I think for now at least. Narihisago and Hondoumachi make an awesome team. Really thought Hondoumachi was going to be the annoying and melodramatic idealist type that gets herself into trouble again and again, but it turns out she's one sharp and intelligent detective. |
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| As much as Fukuda was a serial killer his intentions for doing so was not so bad i guess? So if he does die in the real world then that'll be sad. Damn, what does the chief actually intend to do by staying inside the well, we'll probably find out in the last episode. Hondomachi, Narihisago and Fukuda were definitely the best characters of the show, sad Fukuda is out of commission right now but, let's fucking go Hondomachi and Narihisago. |
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| Everything just turned out so quickly on these episode. There were so many event happened. After revealing himself, the Chief gone crazy by suicide and entering his own Ido! Kiki's stated was wrong too. It seems she was in a sleeping walk condition that made the whole building turned out into a giant Mizuhanome! The result? Yeah, everyone just put in a comma state, even the whole Ido crew, and the hole head guy too! Romantic scenesfrom Hondomachi was a bit overwhelming. Still, it had a good impact in the end, knowing the fact of Inami's fate gladly same as her beloved guy. Even the information about her secret somehow shocked. Well, i may still think that the hole head buddy still alive. So, the real problem is ti defeated that crazy old man. Could they did it? While in the real world, the Director and Matsuoka tried hard to stopped the incident from the outside. Thats it for now. Maybe there were some unwritten story that might be too lazy to write it off, here. So, i must say, even in these fast pace, the episode visualized a nice sceneries that concluded everything pretty enjoyable. If you wanted to feel the intensed moment, just enter it by yourself! So, let me end it! |
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| Noooo not Tamotsu :< |
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| One more episode to go, thank god. I appreciate Ei Aoki for his directing efforts and showing rather than telling a little more than in previous episodes with some of the backgrounds and artistic choices, but other than that, meh. I'm mentally checked out now trying to give this story a chance since it's just convoluted for me. |
| well its gets the deal done pretty well. |
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| I don't understand what this show is going for with Fukuda's character. He's literally a serial killer, and yet the show seems to think I'll feel sad about his death? I have no sympathy for him. Same for Inami, but her last moments might be id:invaded's best scene. |
cam_eleonJul 9, 2022 10:27 AM
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| What a Wild Episode. Kiki Walking around and sending everyone into a dream... The whole building turning into a Mezu. Our favorite Numbers Boy rescuing Hondomachi twice. And that bitch getting a proper ending, enough I almost felt bad for her getting what she deserved. The onset of the lyrics and music seemed a bit strange to me, it didn't seem like it was really highlighting anything that significant tbh. |
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| Things felt underwhelming this episode :/ But I hope I can see more of Akusai next episode |
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