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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Heh, I didn't know this show even celebrates Christmas. They even got a damn Santa there lmao Too bad the episode isn't really cherring as our main characters gets caught into more troubles again. This show just can't seem to give them a break lately. I find the second half of this episode to be pretyty intense. Moriarty is also becoming quite a daredevil... |
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| RIP Moriarty ? the end was great |
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| The end was a shock, I wonder if Moriarty survived. |
| ofc John Watson is alive. This episode was great. The thing the annoyed me was when that SWAT team used the elevator. Like really? I bet this will not be the end of Moriarty. |
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| That last scene made me scream "just die already!" bet he's still alive lol. |
| Oh God! such a heavy episode! i guess this is the endgame for Moriarty...??? 5/5. |
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| Wait what? There are three episodes left, and the antagonist is already dead? This can either go horrible next episode, or it can be quite amazing. Situations like this really excites me for some reason. lol. If Lucy and Mary weren't sisters, I'd ship them! What was supposed to be 大 (big) turned into 犬 (dog). haha!! I thought the Sherlock vs Moriarty thing would go a bit longer, and end with them both "dying". I am slightly annoyed by the fact that I am kind of attracted to Moriarty. Why would Production IG make Moriarty, out of all people, attractive? And they are going to do it again with the new Moriarty series! |
| Well this whole arc with Moriarty as the antagonist was quite a wild ride. For some reason though I doubt he's dead, especially with 3 episodes left, but I hope I'm wrong tbh. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| Using the elevators was a pretty big fail. Anyway this felt like it could have been a finale. I'm guessing either James survives from some bs plan (I hope not) or Sherlock is gonna have to deal with his "teapot" being broken as it were. Still don't know what the numbers mean either. |
Yikes Is there anything you don't rate a 5/5 ? Leo said: I loved the ending with Moriarty understanding he was the one for Sherlock. Honestly I hate yet love Moriarty. He's a really great antagonist. Angsty kid turns psycho because mommy hugged him too much. Wow, what a great antagonist |
KimurahMar 7, 2020 7:55 PM
Kimurah said: Leo said: I loved the ending with Moriarty understanding he was the one for Sherlock. Honestly I hate yet love Moriarty. He's a really great antagonist. Angsty kid turns psycho because mommy hugged him too much. Wow, what a great antagonist This. LOL Moriarity's backstory was pretty much garbage. I feel zero sympathy for him. Most people rooting for him are simply attracted to him because he's a bishounen. However, I doubt Moriarity is dead. No body, no death. |
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Bibimbapski said: Kimurah said: Angsty kid turns psycho because mommy hugged him too much. Wow, what a great antagonist This. LOL Moriarity's backstory was pretty much garbage. I feel zero sympathy for him. Most people rooting for him are simply attracted to him because he's a bishounen. However, I doubt Moriarity is dead. No body, no death. They're born with it guys (Moriarty and Sherlock) Psychopathy, how the mummy raised him is irrelevant 7 out of 10 people are on the spectrum but not necessarily mean you are or can be classified a psychopath With Sherlock and Moriarty's case, there's no spectrum with Moriarty, it's maxed out 100% while Sherlock probably only at 90% and is why he can manage with his disorder |
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| This is the kind of confrontation that I was expecting for the last, or at least penultimate, episode to be honest, but here we are. I wonder if Moriarty is really dead. It seems almost certain, but you never know. And I wonder if he is going to get what he wants. If his death is going to shatter Sherlock's "tea pot." He was important to him after all. Maybe even more than Watson is. I don't know what to expect from these last few episodes now. |
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| Not a damn surprised that the Pipecat Bar Detectives have been thrown into turmoil with what happened with Moriarty, James and Mary. And yet...Christmas is still a thing, with mass criminal Albert and Moriarty on the loose. Good thing's Watson is still alive to tend to Sherlock, with Kabukichou's police team. Darkcommander said: For safety? More like for "fictional" purposes. What a big fail. The elevators in the building should've stopped working as soon as the fire alarm went off after the explosion, that's just pure health and safety. Yet somehow as it's going off Sherlock and Watson are going up in one. And then meeting the criminal itself: Moriarty. The self-proclaimed mass murder has no sympathy at this point, and even Watson wants to resolve this without violence (what a wimp). But above all, Sherlock's "teapot", more than taking strides in his life and meeting young James to "full his teapot", strives for the best in everyone's lives. In the end, their BTS action was splendid, and Kobayashi (in all of his wisdomness) ended their farce, but that number came back up again. That "great-turned-dog" figure was very apt, as what defined Moriarty's plan: to his "death" at the expense of cold revenge. Will not expect him to "die" that quick, but see how does the remainder turn out. |
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| So that's it for James I guess, the ending scene was great. I want some quality Mary x Watson in this last three episodes. I hope they give them some sweet screentime together before this anime ends. |
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SaltyReinn said: To the people saying that his backstory was bad, really don't understand that the answer is as simple as it gets. Sometimes villains don't need to have motives or grand plans on why they perform violent acts. The thing with Moriarty that the show set up pretty well tbh is that he has psychotic tendencies. That's quite a reductive and very conformist way of putting it together. Just because you can get a D on any paperwork by doing the bare minimun and because the subject is too simple or too unnapealing doesn't mean you shouldn't make the effort to make something extraordinary about it I watched last night Joker movie, and the way the whole Arthur's psychosys is presented from the highest point to the rock bottom ones where he loses it and becomes Gotham's number one most wanted criminal, but you still feel attached to Arthur because you can connect to some level with all the karma that just piles on. There's a lot of empathy in his story despite the crude message With Moriarty story, there isn't that empathy on him killing all his family and close people to them along with all the people he met inside in the big house. His story is presented in a very lazy and "boxed" way after losing the high that he had when he killed Jack the Ripper. The writers and director truly dropped the ball by adding so many filler episodes just to present the multiple suicides of his partners in crime, it totally lost the momentum gained. Not to mention there wasn't any immersion when Moriarty finally took the podium to finally cough up his very expected sob flashback, wich sadly is a unimaginative and very cliche way to present an expected twist and a story that should explain a character's motivation. SaltyReinn said: So no, it does not have to be logical, because such severe mental illness ignores logic and that was portrayed very well in the scene where he saw dead fish electrocuted and then tried to recreate the scene with his mother. Subtle hints were thrown a lot throughout the entirety of the show to those that chose to see them. The fact his father hated him and the subtle hints that he is responsible for something happening to his mother, the butterfly scene, the scene where he killed Jack. There was nothing sublte regarding his remorse towards his father and quite frankly his dissociation with human values was pretty poorly portrayed. Like I said, in my original post it was all based on being loved too much by his family and him not being able to reciprocate. There was no immersion on to what he was seeing or thinking while he dropped the hair dryer on his mother's bathtub or when he killed Jack or shot everyone on his own manor (wich is why I called the immersion quite boxy as in watched thru a TV set of him doing stuff but not showing the emotions or thoughts he had while doing them) adding empty metaphors of empty pots for a cheap sense of depth and moral. In comparisson in Joker we can see several sequences where Arthur's dementia kicks in and we as the viewers get bamboozled and can only see how things went thru after the sequences on his mind were played. SaltyReinn said: It's not a masterpiece, but this show is definitely very underappreciated, it did a lot of things right. And the OP is a banger that I'd never dare skip. Doing "some" things right is a sure way to make a show quite forgetable, just like a D student. |
| I really liked this episode. I felt kinda sad with the situation between Sherlock and moriarty. You just can't hate him. Looking forward to the next one |
| I wasn't surprised about Moriarty's turn about, after all, I've read Sherlock Holmes books, as well as seen the BBC adaptation, so I already knew. However, I am very impressed with how it was portrayed in this anime. Even so, I was 'partially' fooled into believing they had made his character the good guy (I said partially). In the beginning, the cases were light and somewhat comedic, as well as Moriarty's back story and his sister. But him going to jail was my wake up call. Whatever I imagined during the first few episodes did not do this anime justice. Kabuchiko Sherlock is definitely much deeper than one would think. |
| I love a morally bankrupt, sociopathic chessmaster villain, but Moriarty is cringe-inducingly corny and unbelievable. I get secondhand embarrassment every time he compares his heart to a broken teapot. Every time he repeated the word "teapot" in his atrocious monologue, I was closer to dropping the show mid-sentence. The writing is terrible for his "big reveal". So he's a sociopath who accidentally killed his mom, then got "awakened" by the fact that he realized he would have wanted to kill his sister. HOW does that make him a master manipulator / hypnotist etc within the span of a year or so in prison? James builds up all of this leverage against his father only to simply murder him? Why even bother with ruining his father's campaign and business opportunities while making himself look like an angel in the public eye only to execute his whole household? Shouldn't the point be to make yourself come out on top while tearing your father down? Isn't the greatest revenge to make yourself continue to be the hero in the public eye while permanently staining your father's reputation? If James was actually clever, he'd arrange for his dad to commit suicide after a failed campaign, all the while stringing Sherlock along, not revealing enough damning evidence to ever be arrested. Then in the end he'd be the head of his incredibly wealthy household, and have control over both the West and East sides via his connections. Sherlock would remain suspicious, but never have enough info to take James out. So they continue their cat and mouse game + friend/enemy status, constantly chasing after each other, WHICH IS WHAT MORIARTY WANTS. James literally wants Sherlock to continue to "play" with him, so why didn't he do it properly???? Instead, all James does with these very obvious and public murders of his own estate is tank his own reputation. We all knew this villain reveal was coming, him being MORIARTY and all, so why didn't the show focus more on developing his rise to criminal mastermind status instead of this weak infodump? They tried so hard to make it edgy they forgot to actually make Moriarty SMART. Maybe Moriarty is going to be revealed as alive after this, and somehow this whole thing was planned, seeing there's 3 more episodes after this "finale", but I don't care anymore. He's a weak ass villain. |
whitherOct 23, 2020 4:41 PM
| Despite Moriarty turning out to be one hell of a psycho, that was one hell of a way to end his life. Kinda wished there was something more on him turning out to be a criminal mastermind than just being born like one. |
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