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With more launches planned, and since I know lots of you weebs adore Elon Musk ("One of us! One of us!"), I wanted your opinion on that genius scientist (lol) compromising our night sky and actual research for a profit:

https://studybreaks.com/thoughts/starlink-elon-musk/

https://twitter.com/lcjohnso/status/1196370554414125056?lang=en

And yes, they actually painted them in chrome, as far as I can tell. They promised to paint the next launches in duller colors (lol). Who the fuck plans these missions honestly?

Edit: and ofc Bezos wants to be part of this too. One megalo millionaire manchild ruining the earth for centuries isn't enough, these idiots come in groups >.>. Can someone from the real world give them a call or something?
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Starlink on one hand is interesting for the technical merits, but on the other having constellations of sats floating around dying out every couple years being constantly replaced bothers the absolute fuck out of me. It also hampers our research of deep space, and we still have no viable way to pull junk out of orbit eventually making launches extremely difficult and hazardous which will hamper our future expansion into space proper. Both LEO and HEO are already getting congested so this just compounds the problem.

Fuck both of these guys though tbh. Musk gets all the credit for the work his engineers do, a modern day Edison. I wish the guys that were willing to invest in space weren't a soulless bastard, and an attention whoring man-child looking for his next shiny toy.
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It also hampers our research of deep space, and we still have no viable way to pull junk out of orbit eventually making launches extremely difficult and hazardous which will hamper our future expansion into space proper. Both LEO and HEO are already getting congested so this just compounds the problem.


I bet Makoto Yukimura is crying. Sometimes you'd rather be wrong about the future.

 
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I have satelite internet and it's absolute shit. A thunderstorm or snow on a satelite receiving dish kills it. It randomly goes offline ever so often for no obvious reason. Speeds go to a snail pace at high traffic times. It also needs a clear view of the sky so it isn't doable in places with thick plantlife either. The places that need satelite internet are mainly poorer areas since it's rural. What would be better is perfect and set up laser signal travelled internst with a radio signal backup more along the lines of WiMax.


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not sure if I adore him lol he's more of a meme to me. anyway I doubt we'll make any major advances in astronomy or space travel in my lifetime so I couldn't be bothered. as long as the night sky is glittered with stars and looks pretty, I'm content.
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not sure if I adore him lol he's more of a meme to me. anyway I doubt we'll make any major advances in astronomy or space travel in my lifetime so I couldn't be bothered. as long as the night sky is glittered with stars and looks pretty, I'm content.


... I'm pretty sure we make major advances in astronomy more often than in any other discipline, tho.
 
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Deathko said:
Korishi said:
not sure if I adore him lol he's more of a meme to me. anyway I doubt we'll make any major advances in astronomy or space travel in my lifetime so I couldn't be bothered. as long as the night sky is glittered with stars and looks pretty, I'm content.

... I'm pretty sure we make major advances in astronomy more often than in any other discipline, tho.

I guess it was cool we got a blurry photo of a black hole last year... but maybe I'm just not interested enough in the field. I like the idea of it but I'm thinking there will be nothing groundbreaking that may affect me in the future. If Pale Cocoon taught me anything, it's to just be content with what's in front of me.
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Korishi said:
Deathko said:

... I'm pretty sure we make major advances in astronomy more often than in any other discipline, tho.

I guess it was cool we got a blurry photo of a black hole last year... but maybe I'm just not interested enough in the field. I like the idea of it but I'm thinking there will be nothing groundbreaking that may affect me in the future. If Pale Cocoon taught me anything, it's to just be content with what's in front of me.

The higgs boson particles proven, gravity waves closer to proven to name a few. It's physics discoveries that can help advance technology.
 
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traed said:
Korishi said:

I guess it was cool we got a blurry photo of a black hole last year... but maybe I'm just not interested enough in the field. I like the idea of it but I'm thinking there will be nothing groundbreaking that may affect me in the future. If Pale Cocoon taught me anything, it's to just be content with what's in front of me.

The higgs boson particles proven, gravity waves closer to proven to name a few. It's physics discoveries that can help advance technology.

I heard of those but I was talking about astronomy and space travel specifically. I guess the gravitational waves theory could be potentially utilised for this but I'm not sure what practical use the apparent existence of a 'higgs boson' would have?
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Korishi said:
traed said:

The higgs boson particles proven, gravity waves closer to proven to name a few. It's physics discoveries that can help advance technology.

I heard of those but I was talking about astronomy and space travel specifically. I guess the gravitational waves theory could be potentially utilised for this but I'm not sure what practical use the apparent existence of a 'higgs boson' would have?

Astrophysics is inseparable from astronomy. Also part of astronomy is finding inhabitable planets and tracking travelling objects that could strike the earth. It's vital for human survival.
 
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traed said:
Korishi said:

I heard of those but I was talking about astronomy and space travel specifically. I guess the gravitational waves theory could be potentially utilised for this but I'm not sure what practical use the apparent existence of a 'higgs boson' would have?

Astrophysics is inseparable from astronomy. Also part of astronomy is finding inhabitable planets and tracking travelling objects that could strike the earth. It's vital for human survival.

I still don't understand how particle physics, more specifically 'particle cosmology' and loop quantum cosmology will actually help us beyond understanding 'the early universe', as it were.
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Korishi said:
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Astrophysics is inseparable from astronomy. Also part of astronomy is finding inhabitable planets and tracking travelling objects that could strike the earth. It's vital for human survival.

I still don't understand how particle physics, more specifically 'particle cosmology' and loop quantum cosmology will actually help us beyond understanding 'the early universe', as it were.

Just because nothing comes to mind doesn't mean it's knowledge has no use at some point.
 
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Din't Elon knock up Grimes recently?

Elon is just doing the MICs Gods work by creating a defensive layer of plausibly deniable LEOs in a completely accidental Kessler constellation cascade pattern to protect actual assets.

Elon: Yo dawg I wanna put 20,000 chrome toasters with a robust navigation AI into low orbit to provide internetz to the world!
MIC: Okay that sounds like a good plan Elon!
Elon: It turns out they also disrupt pictures...
MIC: <_<
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better or cheaper internet or less junk in space? lol i personally want better and cheaper internet lol
 
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better or cheaper internet or less junk in space? lol i personally want better and cheaper internet lol

What about your dream of gay space communism?
 
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better or cheaper internet or less junk in space? lol i personally want better and cheaper internet lol

What about your dream of gay space communism?


one thing good about science and technology is they are tools to solve problems so im sure space junks can be solve too with space AI drones collecting those trash and who knows SpaceX might invest on those things too
 
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^the "green" industry in a nutshell. Pollute as much as possible, and spend more ressources cleaning the crap.

Because of physical laws tho, that's far from efficient.
 
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Btw this is the tech i was suggesting should be worked on instead of that space trash idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication
 
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@traed ok thanks for clarifying. I dunno I guess I can appreciate the efforts of scientists but I may just be selfish in this regard in that I don't care about future generations since I believe that the earth is beyond redemption at this point.

speaking of trash, hypothetically, if resources like money weren't an issue and we had the launch capability, would sending our trash into space like they did in superman iv be a solution? I would think, having already developed Parker Solar Probe we can plan a carefully calculated set of future trajectories for such missions.
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^the "green" industry in a nutshell. Pollute as much as possible, and spend more ressources cleaning the crap.

Because of physical laws tho, that's far from efficient.


welp the space junk problem is already at its worse state so its just a matter of time when space trash collectors will become a thing

but i get your point though

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Btw this is the tech i was suggesting should be worked on instead of that space trash idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication


light is limiting though unlike radio waves that can penetrate on like everything
 
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traed said:
Btw this is the tech i was suggesting should be worked on instead of that space trash idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication

isn't this technology highly reliant on good weather?
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I am vaguely amused about how close Starlink is to Skynet.




 
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Korishi said:
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Btw this is the tech i was suggesting should be worked on instead of that space trash idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication

isn't this technology highly reliant on good weather?

And so are satelites but Id say it's potentially more reliable if problems are worked out more because it has less distance to travel through the atmosphere.

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^the "green" industry in a nutshell. Pollute as much as possible, and spend more ressources cleaning the crap.

Because of physical laws tho, that's far from efficient.


welp the space junk problem is already at its worse state so its just a matter of time when space trash collectors will become a thing

but i get your point though

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Btw this is the tech i was suggesting should be worked on instead of that space trash idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication


light is limiting though unlike radio waves that can penetrate on like everything

Yeah that's why I said RF can be used as the secondary backup signal. You get high speeds in optimal conditions and decent ones in ones that aren't.
 
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Korishi said:
not sure if I adore him lol he's more of a meme to me. anyway I doubt we'll make any major advances in astronomy or space travel in my lifetime so I couldn't be bothered. as long as the night sky is glittered with stars and looks pretty, I'm content.
NASA literally plans on semi-stationing on the moon by 2024, what are you even talking about? lmao
 
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traed said:
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isn't this technology highly reliant on good weather?

And so are satelites but Id say it's potentially more reliable if problems are worked out more because it has less distance to travel through the atmosphere.

OK so it's basically like modern point-to-point telecommunications?
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And so are satelites but Id say it's potentially more reliable if problems are worked out more because it has less distance to travel through the atmosphere.

OK so it's basically like modern point-to-point telecommunications?

Yes basically. It's mainly for getting a signal far and fast. It doesn't necessarily have to be the full distance of the trip, it is just to get around cost and labour of laying out fiberoptic cable and maintaining it.
 
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electricity has no known practical uses back when it was first discovered

so science should not be about practical uses first, and the Higgs Boson for example can become like a weightless propulsion system or sort of like anti-gravity propulsion if they can find a way to turn off the Higgs Boson on things
 
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not sure if I adore him lol he's more of a meme to me. anyway I doubt we'll make any major advances in astronomy or space travel in my lifetime so I couldn't be bothered. as long as the night sky is glittered with stars and looks pretty, I'm content.
NASA literally plans on semi-stationing on the moon by 2024, what are you even talking about? lmao
that does sound good. it's nice that they're building upon the work of people who worked on Apollo. eventual moon colony is pretty exciting remind me of The Adventures of Pluto Nash lol. I'm more intrigued by NASA's Commercial Resupply program which is related to the Artemis Program. commercialisation was inevitable anyway.


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electricity has no known practical uses back when it was first discovered

so science should not be about practical uses first, and the Higgs Boson for example can become like a weightless propulsion system or sort of like anti-gravity propulsion if they can find a way to turn off the Higgs Boson on things

oh that does sound like something potentially significant. but like I said this is something I believe won't have much practical use in my lifetime
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electricity has no known practical uses back when it was first discovered

so science should not be about practical uses first, and the Higgs Boson for example can become like a weightless propulsion system or sort of like anti-gravity propulsion if they can find a way to turn off the Higgs Boson on things

oh that does sound like something potentially significant. but like I said this is something I believe won't have much practical use in my lifetime


if every generation have the mindset that science should have immediate practical uses then science will be limited and slow to progress

imagine if electricity is not developed scientifically because there is no immediate practical uses for it during its discovery then there will be no modern society as we know it today
 
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@deg yeah that's why I can appreciate their efforts. it's good thing I'm not in the field or I will just depress everyone lol. if I were immortal I would probably be extremely invested in scientific advancement
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