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Hello friends,

I wanna build a PC since my laptop is getting slow. I got a laptop 3,5 years ago because i needed it for school. Now i got a job and got a macbook which i can use for daily shit. I dont use my gaming laptop for the reason why its a laptop, it never leaves its place. So i decided im better off building a PC instead of buying another laptop

I'm not very familiar with building PC's or anything. So I made a pc parts list that i thought seemed pretty good.

I don't want to spend much more than 2k. (its at like 1950 now?)

If you got any tips, tricks, upgrades OR downgrades please let me know.

What i plan to do with my PC:

play games like: league of legends, csgo, some future AAA games (GTA, COD, current xbox one games).

multi-task: 2 screens, both with a different task. lets say 1 has a youtube/anime video and the other just has a regular google chrome open. or maybe have a game and chrome open.

perhaps use it to stream stuff to my TV(in another room for example) while playing a game as well.

have it look cool in my room i guess?


I understand if my post might seem messy, but I appreciate any help.

list: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/kftTp8

edit: im not sure about the tower case yet. If you got any recommendations for one, let me know that too
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With a budget of over 2k there isn't much advice needed. Just go crazy and buy whatever, lol...



Edit: I'd drop the HDD, btw. It doesn't belong in an overkill build.
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If I were building a PC for the first time I'd probably spend considerably less money in case I cocked it up. You can always upgrade later.
 
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If I were building a PC for the first time I'd probably spend considerably less money in case I cocked it up. You can always upgrade later.


true i guess. but i feel like, isn't it more cost efficient to just build a good one immediately? And tbh i guess the only thing i would spend less on, would be the CPU or GPU. I feel like the other parts are just necessary things i would need for a good first build.
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That's a really good budget for a PC. So you can't really go wrong or have issues with certain parts because you're not cutting your losses in specific areas like the power supply or such

I looked at your PC parts picker. Everything looks great and I really like the addition of the Noctua cooler. Personally though. Is there a reason for going for the 2070 over the 2080? I think the price difference is only 80 bucks more from what I've been seeing. I know the difference isn't astronomical between the two. Just saying that I would still go for the 2080 if my budget was 2k.
 
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Daddy said:
That's a really good budget for a PC. So you can't really go wrong or have issues with certain parts because you're not cutting your losses in specific areas like the power supply or such

I looked at your PC parts picker. Everything looks great and I really like the addition of the Noctua cooler. Personally though. Is there a reason for going for the 2070 over the 2080? I think the price difference is only 80 bucks more from what I've been seeing. I know the difference isn't astronomical between the two. Just saying that I would still go for the 2080 if my budget was 2k.


Hmm idk i just feel like i dont really need a 2080 you know? im pretty sure a 2070 will be fine for me
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said:
With a budget of over 2k there isn't much advice needed. Just go crazy and buy whatever, lol...



Edit: I'd drop the HDD, btw. It doesn't belong in an overkill build.


Of course it does, for storage. That being said it'd be more useful in a four disk RAID set up. SSDs have the throughput advantage but hard disks are forever.

Back OT, I'd swap out the 9700K for a Ryzen 3700X, benches aren't too far apart but the Ryzen is almost a hundred cheaper and most B450/X470/X570 boards support NVMe as well as being less expensive than Intel boards usually are. Swap the 2.5" SSD for an NVMe SSD, which if you go for X570 could be PCIe 4.0.

Depending on what resolution you want to go for, I'd say you could get a cheaper GPU for sure. RTX stuff is bs imo, I'd go for a 16XX series card or either the 5500XT or 5700XT. You'll at least get top tier 1080p performance, and the 5700XT can probably do 1440p fairly well iirc.

AMD and Intel chips today are generally at IPC parity now. Unless you're on some real good drugs you probably wouldn't notice that 5% or less difference that benches show. At least AMD is (much more) secure and gives you tons of cores and threads by comparison, and at a significantly lower cost too.

For a case, my best advice is to check reviews and get one with just what you want/need and decent airflow to keep things cool.
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Well I can speak from pretty much having the same specs as that build that it is indeed a good one lol. One thing I will say though if you're planning on going AAA gaming I'd recommend switching to liquid cooling for your cpu. Helps a lot especially during the summer.

Another thing is what resolution are you planning on using? Like I do my stuff in 4K and those specs pretty much meet the requirements for stability, but if you're only doing 1080p you could probably save some money on some parts. PSU as well you could probably get away with a 700W and still be good. Efficiency and credibility are more important than wattage imo

One other thing is if it's available for you, you might actually be better off ordering a custom built (not pre-built as those ones are usually garbage) from a notable retailer. It's an even bigger plus when they have sales going on, as you can save a lottt of money on parts. Make sure you do proper research on the company though if you go that route
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Not really well versed in PC parts but I highly recommend Fractal Design cases. People also really seem to like NZXT cases
 
Feb 12, 6:25 PM
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Before I even give advice let alone put my own $2K list together:

What resolution are you going for, what graphics settings are you going for, do you care about frame rates above 60, and have you considered 21:9 ultrawide monitors instead of two monitors?
 
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You'd still be fine with the 750W version of the EVGA G3 to bring the cost down a little bit, but considering the price difference isn't too far off and you can afford it, I see no problem with the 850W one. Better to have more headroom for future upgrades.
 
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ItsaNico said:
Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said:
With a budget of over 2k there isn't much advice needed. Just go crazy and buy whatever, lol...



Edit: I'd drop the HDD, btw. It doesn't belong in an overkill build.


Of course it does, for storage. That being said it'd be more useful in a four disk RAID set up. SSDs have the throughput advantage but hard disks are forever.

Back OT, I'd swap out the 9700K for a Ryzen 3700X, benches aren't too far apart but the Ryzen is almost a hundred cheaper and most B450/X470/X570 boards support NVMe as well as being less expensive than Intel boards usually are. Swap the 2.5" SSD for an NVMe SSD, which if you go for X570 could be PCIe 4.0.

Depending on what resolution you want to go for, I'd say you could get a cheaper GPU for sure. RTX stuff is bs imo, I'd go for a 16XX series card or either the 5500XT or 5700XT. You'll at least get top tier 1080p performance, and the 5700XT can probably do 1440p fairly well iirc.

AMD and Intel chips today are generally at IPC parity now. Unless you're on some real good drugs you probably wouldn't notice that 5% or less difference that benches show. At least AMD is (much more) secure and gives you tons of cores and threads by comparison, and at a significantly lower cost too.

For a case, my best advice is to check reviews and get one with just what you want/need and decent airflow to keep things cool.


I understand the stuff you're saying. I was considering a ryzen instead of an intel too.

I do want an NVIDIA graphics card tho, so i'll stick with that. Not because of any special things, but I just trust the company, so i do want it.

idk what IPC parity means
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Well I can speak from pretty much having the same specs as that build that it is indeed a good one lol. One thing I will say though if you're planning on going AAA gaming I'd recommend switching to liquid cooling for your cpu. Helps a lot especially during the summer.

Another thing is what resolution are you planning on using? Like I do my stuff in 4K and those specs pretty much meet the requirements for stability, but if you're only doing 1080p you could probably save some money on some parts. PSU as well you could probably get away with a 700W and still be good. Efficiency and credibility are more important than wattage imo

One other thing is if it's available for you, you might actually be better off ordering a custom built (not pre-built as those ones are usually garbage) from a notable retailer. It's an even bigger plus when they have sales going on, as you can save a lottt of money on parts. Make sure you do proper research on the company though if you go that route


nice! would liquid cooling be that much better? is it expensive? and do u think i can easily go for fans now and perhaps switch to liquid later?

Perhaps i'll look for a more cheap PSU with good efficiency.

Hmm maybe i'll look into that! I'll first have to look what sites offer some good sales / good builds!

And I do wanna look into 4k, but i do not feel it necessary right now. I only got a regular 1080p gaming monitor, so i'll also have to buy a 2nd one and i dont want to immediately spend another salary on just 2 4k monitors you get me?
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PornstarAhri said:
Not really well versed in PC parts but I highly recommend Fractal Design cases. People also really seem to like NZXT cases

alright thank you!
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FacelessVixen said:
Before I even give advice let alone put my own $2K list together:

What resolution are you going for, what graphics settings are you going for, do you care about frame rates above 60, and have you considered 21:9 ultrawide monitors instead of two monitors?


Well for now i just have an 1080p asus gaming monitor connected to my laptop. It's fine for now, so i wouldn't need 4k right now. I do wanna look into 4k in a year or 2 tho.

Graphics? I wouldn't need ultra, but high settings would be nice. Medium on a few very heavy games wouldn't bother me.

I do care about those. I'd like to perhaps get a 120 at least? I'm not all too familiar with fps,hz,refresh rates and whatever.

hmm yeah i've looked into it, but i don't think it would be my thing. I feel like it would bother me that my stuff isn't seperated enough (like video on one monitor and game on another)
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You'd still be fine with the 750W version of the EVGA G3 to bring the cost down a little bit, but considering the price difference isn't too far off and you can afford it, I see no problem with the 850W one. Better to have more headroom for future upgrades.


Yeah this is the reason i feel like i should just immediately buy a good PC, like the list i put together. Because i feel like it's pretty future proof for quite a few years.
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LeChair said:
FacelessVixen said:
Before I even give advice let alone put my own $2K list together:

What resolution are you going for, what graphics settings are you going for, do you care about frame rates above 60, and have you considered 21:9 ultrawide monitors instead of two monitors?


Well for now i just have an 1080p asus gaming monitor connected to my laptop. It's fine for now, so i wouldn't need 4k right now. I do wanna look into 4k in a year or 2 tho.

Graphics? I wouldn't need ultra, but high settings would be nice. Medium on a few very heavy games wouldn't bother me.

I do care about those. I'd like to perhaps get a 120 at least? I'm not all too familiar with fps,hz,refresh rates and whatever.

hmm yeah i've looked into it, but i don't think it would be my thing. I feel like it would bother me that my stuff isn't seperated enough (like video on one monitor and game on another)

It just occurred to me that I forgot to ask if this is a "just gaming" build. But since you didn't mention content creation, I'll assume this is a just gaming build.

The parts you initially picked out seem fine, but I'll try to optimize it a little.

Instead of going with the 9700K, I recommend AMD's 3700X instead to spend $100 less for better performance. Unless you plan on streaming/recording your gameplay, you don't need to look for a CPU in the $400 to $500 price range or higher. Take it from someone who owns a 9900K; it barely gets utilized unless I'm either recording gameplay with OBS or transcoding videos with HandBrake. Hell, I'd even go as low as as a Ryzen 5 3600X for just gaming, but your big budget does allow for some reasonable splurging, so 8 cores and 16 threads for $300 is more reasonable for 8 cores and 8 threads for $400. Also, you won't need liquid unless you plan on overclocking, and even at that, you can overclock well enough with air.

As for graphics, frame rates and graphics cards: You picked out a 2070 Super, but you saying that you don't necessarily know about frame rates, but you also want to eventually want to upgrade to 2160p, which makes this kinda tricky. So, my one and only monitor is an Asus PG348Q which is 1440p ultrawide that can hit up to 100Hz. My experience with it has been pretty fantastic. 1440p is a noticeable upgrade from 1080p in terms of visual clarity, and the animations of a game running at 100 frames look significantly smoother than the standard 60 frames. A 2070 Super is more of a 1440p card to me; not as capable at my 2080 Ti, but it's nothing to sneeze at either. So since I'm sure that you don't want to buy a $1,200 GPU, I suggest that you look at some 1440p monitors. 2160p is still a little out of reach for a 2080 Ti with the most demanding games on the market, so 1440p a decent compromise for now. Sure, 2160p is alluring and AMD and Nvidia will certainly come out with graphics cards that can easily play games at that resolution within a year or two, but I'm of the mind that futureproffing is bullshit and people should plan for the now as opposed to either always waiting for the next best thing or overspending in an attempt to try to get ahead of the curve.

And lastly, I would just your old laptop for content consumption. Sure, my one monitor/ultrawide bias is talking, but you're realistically not going to "watch a movie" wile playing a game. The movie or whatever will just be background noise to fill in whatever downtime or grinding a game has. Even your phone would be a good option for media consumption while gaming. So I really don't see the point in going dual-monitor for a just gaming and content consumption setup as opposed to content creation and productivity, but you'll do what you think will work at the end of the day.

So, here's my $2,000 parts list which includes a single $430 1440p monitor. Sorry that I didn't work in euros; I just go with the currency and stores that I know best. Hope it helps either way.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/FacelessVixen/saved/MX4sXL
 
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LeChair said:
Short_Circut said:
Well I can speak from pretty much having the same specs as that build that it is indeed a good one lol. One thing I will say though if you're planning on going AAA gaming I'd recommend switching to liquid cooling for your cpu. Helps a lot especially during the summer.

Another thing is what resolution are you planning on using? Like I do my stuff in 4K and those specs pretty much meet the requirements for stability, but if you're only doing 1080p you could probably save some money on some parts. PSU as well you could probably get away with a 700W and still be good. Efficiency and credibility are more important than wattage imo

One other thing is if it's available for you, you might actually be better off ordering a custom built (not pre-built as those ones are usually garbage) from a notable retailer. It's an even bigger plus when they have sales going on, as you can save a lottt of money on parts. Make sure you do proper research on the company though if you go that route


nice! would liquid cooling be that much better? is it expensive? and do u think i can easily go for fans now and perhaps switch to liquid later?

Perhaps i'll look for a more cheap PSU with good efficiency.

Hmm maybe i'll look into that! I'll first have to look what sites offer some good sales / good builds!

And I do wanna look into 4k, but i do not feel it necessary right now. I only got a regular 1080p gaming monitor, so i'll also have to buy a 2nd one and i dont want to immediately spend another salary on just 2 4k monitors you get me?

liquid cooling is 99% gonna be better. You could I guess go for fan now and switch to liquid later, but I still recommend it. Most likely it'll be more expensive, but if you're going for all out with your build, might as well do that as well

Yea, make sure you don't totally skip out on the wattage though lol. but yea, efficiency/credibility of the psu is far more important than the wattage of it (like you don't want to buy an 800w PSU only to have it fry moments later)

Make sure you do lots of research on the company if you're looking into that lol. Some might look credible but have scummy services (like a pain to deliver for instance)

Fair enough if you're going for 1080p, 2070S might be a bit overkill for that lol. Depending on what you plan on playing more I'd either plan on getting a 4k or >60hz monitor. If you're going for multiplayer games (like CS:GO as you mentioned) then go for the latter, but if you're going for immersion (like maybe with some of the AAA games) then go for the former
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1. Get a monitor with 144 Hz and a VA or IPS panel. You do not want anything less than that.

2. Get 32 GB of RAM. 32 is the baseline if you plan to do any sort of work or heavy multitasking with your computer. 16 might be fine if only play games... but not only is $2000 a waste for a gaming-only machine, but even 16 GB will soon not be enough since the new consoles are dropping this fall, and even phones now hold almost that much memory. Plus, going from 16 GB to 32 GB only costs, what, $80?

3. Consider a 5700 XT for your GPU. It has the best bang for your buck ratio, with the only catch being that it doesn't have ray-tracing support... which, in 2020, is still a very experimental feature and not worth enabling to begin with.

4. Also consider getting an AMD CPU. The 3900x gives you a ridiculous 12 cores for less than $500. Intel CPUs for that price range are only 6 or 8 cores.

And yeah, I would definitely recommend that second monitor. I couldn't even imagine using a computer with only one screen.
 
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LeChair said:


Well for now i just have an 1080p asus gaming monitor connected to my laptop. It's fine for now, so i wouldn't need 4k right now. I do wanna look into 4k in a year or 2 tho.

Graphics? I wouldn't need ultra, but high settings would be nice. Medium on a few very heavy games wouldn't bother me.

I do care about those. I'd like to perhaps get a 120 at least? I'm not all too familiar with fps,hz,refresh rates and whatever.

hmm yeah i've looked into it, but i don't think it would be my thing. I feel like it would bother me that my stuff isn't seperated enough (like video on one monitor and game on another)

It just occurred to me that I forgot to ask if this is a "just gaming" build. But since you didn't mention content creation, I'll assume this is a just gaming build.

The parts you initially picked out seem fine, but I'll try to optimize it a little.

Instead of going with the 9700K, I recommend AMD's 3700X instead to spend $100 less for better performance. Unless you plan on streaming/recording your gameplay, you don't need to look for a CPU in the $400 to $500 price range or higher. Take it from someone who owns a 9900K; it barely gets utilized unless I'm either recording gameplay with OBS or transcoding videos with HandBrake. Hell, I'd even go as low as as a Ryzen 5 3600X for just gaming, but your big budget does allow for some reasonable splurging, so 8 cores and 16 threads for $300 is more reasonable for 8 cores and 8 threads for $400. Also, you won't need liquid unless you plan on overclocking, and even at that, you can overclock well enough with air.

As for graphics, frame rates and graphics cards: You picked out a 2070 Super, but you saying that you don't necessarily know about frame rates, but you also want to eventually want to upgrade to 2160p, which makes this kinda tricky. So, my one and only monitor is an Asus PG348Q which is 1440p ultrawide that can hit up to 100Hz. My experience with it has been pretty fantastic. 1440p is a noticeable upgrade from 1080p in terms of visual clarity, and the animations of a game running at 100 frames look significantly smoother than the standard 60 frames. A 2070 Super is more of a 1440p card to me; not as capable at my 2080 Ti, but it's nothing to sneeze at either. So since I'm sure that you don't want to buy a $1,200 GPU, I suggest that you look at some 1440p monitors. 2160p is still a little out of reach for a 2080 Ti with the most demanding games on the market, so 1440p a decent compromise for now. Sure, 2160p is alluring and AMD and Nvidia will certainly come out with graphics cards that can easily play games at that resolution within a year or two, but I'm of the mind that futureproffing is bullshit and people should plan for the now as opposed to either always waiting for the next best thing or overspending in an attempt to try to get ahead of the curve.

And lastly, I would just your old laptop for content consumption. Sure, my one monitor/ultrawide bias is talking, but you're realistically not going to "watch a movie" wile playing a game. The movie or whatever will just be background noise to fill in whatever downtime or grinding a game has. Even your phone would be a good option for media consumption while gaming. So I really don't see the point in going dual-monitor for a just gaming and content consumption setup as opposed to content creation and productivity, but you'll do what you think will work at the end of the day.

So, here's my $2,000 parts list which includes a single $430 1440p monitor. Sorry that I didn't work in euros; I just go with the currency and stores that I know best. Hope it helps either way.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/FacelessVixen/saved/MX4sXL


jesus christ what a lot of text.

So from what i understand from your explanation.

My GPU is pretty okay from what i've chosen?

The monitor i have right now is only a regular 60hz 1080p monitor, which is perfectly fine for now. I'll get stuff like better keyboards, monitors later. For now i just want a good PC first. I do want dual monitor tho. For example when i play games like league i can have a build setup on the other monitor. or perhaps other games like path of exile with a build.

And idk. It's just a feeling i get with NVIDIA, but i do kinda want an nvidia graphics card. for CPU i dont mind AMD or Intel as long as its good

ps: your parts list is private xd
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Short_Circut said:
LeChair said:


nice! would liquid cooling be that much better? is it expensive? and do u think i can easily go for fans now and perhaps switch to liquid later?

Perhaps i'll look for a more cheap PSU with good efficiency.

Hmm maybe i'll look into that! I'll first have to look what sites offer some good sales / good builds!

And I do wanna look into 4k, but i do not feel it necessary right now. I only got a regular 1080p gaming monitor, so i'll also have to buy a 2nd one and i dont want to immediately spend another salary on just 2 4k monitors you get me?

liquid cooling is 99% gonna be better. You could I guess go for fan now and switch to liquid later, but I still recommend it. Most likely it'll be more expensive, but if you're going for all out with your build, might as well do that as well

Yea, make sure you don't totally skip out on the wattage though lol. but yea, efficiency/credibility of the psu is far more important than the wattage of it (like you don't want to buy an 800w PSU only to have it fry moments later)

Make sure you do lots of research on the company if you're looking into that lol. Some might look credible but have scummy services (like a pain to deliver for instance)

Fair enough if you're going for 1080p, 2070S might be a bit overkill for that lol. Depending on what you plan on playing more I'd either plan on getting a 4k or >60hz monitor. If you're going for multiplayer games (like CS:GO as you mentioned) then go for the latter, but if you're going for immersion (like maybe with some of the AAA games) then go for the former


yeah i guess i'll go with fans first and perhaps switch later.

I'll try to find a good efficiency 750W for that i think.

For now i just have this 1080p 60hz monitor, but i do wanna get a 144hz monitor a few months/1year later.
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1. Get a monitor with 144 Hz and a VA or IPS panel. You do not want anything less than that.

2. Get 32 GB of RAM. 32 is the baseline if you plan to do any sort of work or heavy multitasking with your computer. 16 might be fine if only play games... but not only is $2000 a waste for a gaming-only machine, but even 16 GB will soon not be enough since the new consoles are dropping this fall, and even phones now hold almost that much memory. Plus, going from 16 GB to 32 GB only costs, what, $80?

3. Consider a 5700 XT for your GPU. It has the best bang for your buck ratio, with the only catch being that it doesn't have ray-tracing support... which, in 2020, is still a very experimental feature and not worth enabling to begin with.

4. Also consider getting an AMD CPU. The 3900x gives you a ridiculous 12 cores for less than $500. Intel CPUs for that price range are only 6 or 8 cores.

And yeah, I would definitely recommend that second monitor. I couldn't even imagine using a computer with only one screen.


1. yeah i'll get a 144hz later. not like 3 years later, but a few months later. dont wanna spend all my salaries immediately xd

2. alright i'll look into that.

3. so i guess everyone here really is a fan of AMD graphics cards huh. idk i just dont get a good feeling having a AMD graphics, idk why.

4. do more than 8 cores really matter that much if i'm only gaming / gaming and having a few tabs of chrome open on another monitor? I was considering an AMD CPU tho.

5. yeah i know. for now i'll probably just get 1 144hz monitor and use my 60hz one as the 2nd for now

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LeChair said:
jesus christ what a lot of text.

Dude, it could have been longer.

LeChair said:
So from what i understand from your explanation.

My GPU is pretty okay from what i've chosen?

Yes.

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ps: your parts list is private xd

Fixed that, and I changed a few things:
$1,800 - $1,900 for a tower. No monitor included since I'll leave that up to you to figure out/someone else can figure that out for you for your next paycheck. A Ryzen 7 3800X instead of a 3700X, though it doesn't really matter which one you pick since you're only playing games for all intents and purposes. And a 4TB 7200RPM hard drive for mass storage since file sizes for games are pretty huge these days. My 8TB drive has over 5TB worth of games on it at the moment.

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do more than 8 cores really matter that much if i'm only gaming / gaming and having a few tabs of chrome open on another monitor?

No.
 
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LeChair said:
4. do more than 8 cores really matter that much if i'm only gaming / gaming and having a few tabs of chrome open on another monitor? I was considering an AMD CPU tho.


For just gaming, not really since there aren't any GPUs powerful enough yet for a high-end CPU to be bottlenecked.

But I figured since you were planning to spend $2000, you would probably want the best of the best for your build. Personally, I would take a high-end CPU over a 2080 Ti that will likely be obsolete. Definitely keep in mind that the new generation of GPUs are coming this year and try to plan accordingly if you go Nvidia.

Anyway, as far as CPUs go, choosing a 3700X instead will get you 8 cores and will last probably close to 5 years for games. It's $300 instead of the 3900X's $500 price point, which if you also chose an AMD GPU, would bring your overall budget down from $2000 to $1500 or so.

I would recommend the AOC C24G1 for your monitor if you're planning to stick with 1080p. It's the one I currently use and it's fantastic. Extremely good performance for its price (it's only $200), glowing reviews from tech companies, and it gives you the 144 Hz and VA panel goodness that you want from a gaming monitor.
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Veronin said:
Personally, I would take a high-end CPU over a 2080 Ti that will likely be obsolete.

Ever try to play games in 1440p with a 9900K pared with a GTX 1060?

I did. I don't recommend it.
 
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You'd still be fine with the 750W version of the EVGA G3 to bring the cost down a little bit, but considering the price difference isn't too far off and you can afford it, I see no problem with the 850W one. Better to have more headroom for future upgrades.


Yeah this is the reason i feel like i should just immediately buy a good PC, like the list i put together. Because i feel like it's pretty future proof for quite a few years.


The G3 btw is pretty much a rebranded Leadex II from Super Flower, which makes quality PSUs, especially this particular model, so you can't go wrong with it.

If you want an alternative for EVGA, you can also go with Seasonic. Their Prime and Focus Plus lineups are good. (I have a 550W Focus Plus 80+ Gold.)
 
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Veronin said:
LeChair said:
4. do more than 8 cores really matter that much if i'm only gaming / gaming and having a few tabs of chrome open on another monitor? I was considering an AMD CPU tho.
I would take a high-end CPU over a 2080 Ti that will likely be obsolete

no way the 2080ti would go obsolete for a quite a while. Hell the 1080ti is still holding strong relative to other's around it and that came out like 3 years ago
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The first thing to do is to set a budget.

I'll give you three options. these are the only ones you have

1 - 300–500 - Bare minimum, you only want to play CS:GO and League, or other low draw games.

2 - 400–1500- Mid-tier, you want to be able to play everything that comes out this year and next with atlas medium settings

3 - 1500-$$$ High tier - You probably don't need this. You would have a pc of this caliber for recording GTA V at 4k on ultra at 60fps. Anything you can think of will run at high or max.

32GB Ram minimum is a must since you want to multitask.

A simple build for a starter:

CPU - i7-5930K
Motherboard - ASUS RAMPAGE V EXTREME E-ATX LGA2011v3
RAM - Two (2x) Crucial 32GB (8GBx4) DDR4 2400MHz kits
GPU - Three EVGA GTX980 Ti SC 6GB Nvidia Blower 3-Way SLI
Storage - Samsung SM951 512GB M.2 80mm PCIe x4 SSD for main (OS and most commonly used programs and games), Western Digital Caviar Black 3TB WD3003FZEX (for data and less used programs and games)
Optical - USA 16X SATA Black Internal Blu-Ray/CD/DVD Burner
Sound - Not sure if you need more than the mobo already gives. So I guess around
Cooling - Corsair Hydro H105 240mm AIO Liquid Cooling System
Power supply - EVGA SuperNOVA 1600W G2 80PLUS Gold Modular
Case - not really sure, this is very subjective, to me I don't particularly like the Alienware-like look. Prefer a cleaner understated look, you could always add decals and/or airbrushing onto such which (IMO) would surpass anything "silly" like a Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition.

So, added to above I'd go for:

Screen - at least 2 of 27" screen (note HDMI 2 is better due to the ability to work at more than 30fps at higher than HD quality, but best would be DisplayPort instead).

Keyboard - Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth (I would definitely go for a mechanical keyboard like this instead of nearly any electronic one)
Mouse - Razer Mamba
Keypad - easier to use than a keyboard when you want those quick actions in games, though strictly not needed - Razer Orbweaver

I'd probably start off with one of these: BOXX APEXX-5-8901-1 and then start customizing it to add more cores to that double 4 core Xeon, add at least 2 SLI linked Quadro cards to that, upgrade the RAM to at least 64GB, swap to a PCIe SSD instead of the SATA one, add at least 2x 3TB 7200rpm discs in RAID, including the above peripherals instead of the low-grade Logitech stuff Boxx sells as standard. Probably come in at around for that setup.

Also, download a few useful programs like FRAPS - Used for checking live framerate of your gameplay.

HWInfo - A Comprehensive software for all your needs. It records and displays multiple info about your system.

GPU-Z - Useful to recognize the problem if your GPU is running slow.

Intel XTU - Novice Overclocking Utility for Intel CPUs

NVInspector - Fine Tune your Graphics settings with a GPU overclocking utility.

NVIDIA GeForce Experience - NVIDIA ShadowPlay, a useful tool to record Gameplay videos. The advantage over other screen recording software is that it doesn't stress your CPU. So you don't have to have a beefy CPU to record High-Quality gameplay videos. If it says it doesn’t support your GPU, revert back to NVIDIA GeForce v2.11 or equivalent. There is a hack to enable NVIDIA ShadowPlay on non-supported GPUs.



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A few things and I'll try to make it concise. (i failed to make it concise)

You may want to consider just dropping the mechanical drive altogether. SSD's are considerably cheaper than they were when it was still suggested to keep a mechanical drive, so you may be operating on old information here. I don't know if you've experienced what an SSD is like, but trust me when I say it is very well worth it especially as a gamer, and even while not gaming also for applications such as Photoshop and any production software.

Your keyboard is fine. Red switches are pretty popular on keyboards. My only suggestion is to avoid getting anything with membrane keys (laptop style keys), and to avoid spending too much before you know what it is you want in a keyboard.

Noctua is a very good brand for fans. It's not the only brand that's good, but you're safe with it. Air cooling is generally better than water cooling. Water cooling is more of a specific case use type of thing, or if you just want it to look cool. I definitely suggest not doing water cooling for your first build. Stick with air cooling. The thing to know is that bigger fan = less noise. The case you have picked right now can fit 140mm size fans which you should probably go for instead of 120mm. They are slightly more expensive, but in my opinion it's worth it especially if you aren't using headphones. According to Newegg it comes with 2 140mm fans and can fit 5 total 140mm fans. 5 is definitely overkill and one of those spaces may be taken up by drive space. You may consider replacing these 2 fans it comes with with the Noctua fans, or adding to the ones already present, but I would suggest either buying 2 140mm fans or leaving it for later

Your PSU is definitely overkill, but I prefer it that way. It seems you want to target efficiency with it and it'll probably do well on that front. If you want to cut your cost a little bit you could go for slightly less wattage, but definitely stick to the 80+ Gold standard.

I'm in the group that's + AMD and - Nvidia/Intel. At the very least you have a good high end Intel CPU chosen. It's competitive with AMD and performs better for gaming, but you could save a bit by going AMD for something that's not that much worse. Personally I'm now avoiding Nvidia like the plague, but they're also still top of the line. If what you want is the best machine you can make right now, you've made the right choice, but if you want a good cost/performance ratio you may want to reconsider.

Just as a note most games don't utilize many CPU cores so high core count tends to not be very useful. It still is useful for running games and other applications at the same time so it helps out performance in that regard. Funnily enough this is actually a + for Intel, as AMD tends to target higher core count for production applications. There's also different things both brands to to try to utilize all those cores as much as possible, though some games just aren't compatible with those methods at all.

RAM is RAM. There are differences between sticks but it's probably not worth worrying about for now. You have a good pick here.

And lastly speakers are important if you don't like headphones, but headphones are pretty great. Most monitors either have trash sound or no sound at all, so you definitely need something for sound, regardless.
 
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