| And so ends the rein of Ishuzoku Reviewers as the best anime ever made. It was a good run lads but everything is back where it should be lol. |
| Removing some obvious bot/brigading votes on a select few animes is always a good thing (so people new to anime dont see Pingu with 9+ thinking its the best anime ever lol). But honestly this isn't going to change much imo, there is simply no way for an algorithm to detect less obvious vote bridaging, or when an anime just gets released, how exactly does the system differenciate between overhype (which is pretty common) and troll votes or vote brigading telling people to give a high rating (without necessarily being as polarizing as 1 or 10) ? It also doesn't really change the fact that everyone has their own views on anime and ratings, and that people generally won't agree with everyone else (which is what those average scores represent, an average of very different viewer populations), so the scores are gonna be considered highly innacurate / worthless by many people. Removing cheaters is good tho, I just dont feel like it's really improving the quality of the site. |
| Hunter x Hunter best anime and Killua Zoldyck best boy <3 Addicted to cute shotas and teens with special powers in fantasy manga and manhua |
Kineta said: Ishuzoku Reviewers' score is returned to ~7.6—nearly identical to the score from January 31. This is not "frozen" and can still rise to 8+ if voting and account behaviour proceeds as usual. No accounts involved in the brigade were banned or deleted. If these "brigading accounts" continue to watch and vote normally, their scores will be counted like all normal accounts. I'm a little confused about these statements. If the "brigading" accounts vote up other anime their original vote of 10/10 will return? Or is it even possible for their vote to count? Are they essentially banned from voting on a brigaded anime once they "participated" in the brigading? Also how did you determine who wasn't and was part of the brigade? Was it essentially just new accounts or was there some form of algorithm or was it more of just a removal of all 10/10 Also if an anime is hyped is that vote brigading? Honestly I think it would be a better idea to have a more weighted system for votes. I.e. say 50k people watched an anime and 90% of those 50k people voted it a 10 but also like 50% of those people just so happened to have dropped the anime after episode 4 but still leave their rating. And even if you make it so their vote doesn't count it still should because they dropped the anime. In fact maybe doing simple things like sending reminders to rerank the anime may be good if you don't want an algo to decide how they view it. Also respected reviewers wouldn't be a bad idea either or something like it Or if you're afraid of messing with the top 10 just have a weighted and unweighted version |
AntionFeb 17, 2020 5:44 PM
| I'm still in the minority who thinks you guys care way too much about a dumb arbitrary number. Also, if admins are able to control scores to this level, why is nobody worried about them manipulating scores in other ways to match their own opinions of a show? It's certainly within their power. |
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Kineta said: I was away for the weekend and didn't read every post since I left. If you have a question that hasn't been answered, feel free to mention me. Dogemy said: No. The system does not detect brigading. Only duplicate/rating troll accounts which are newly made. This is why the scores were all recalculated.I wonder what this will do for new anime going forth when they have wow factors episodes. Like demon slayers episode 19, or vinland sagas last episode, both of which made a hefty dent in their overall scores. will an algorithm accidentally detect that as brigading? From my post: Kineta said: Entries will still be vulnerable to YouTube voting raids due to the participation of legitimate user accounts. If new entries receive organized voting brigades, we will apply the second system to these entries (to readjust their scores) and will inform the community that we have done so. Please let Ishuzoku Reviewers be the last of it. Edit: In case it's not clear, we don't want to apply the second system and will only do so in cases where we're forced to. Legitimate users should be allowed to score however they want. However, getting a tiny bit of internet fame shouldn't allow you to deliberately manipulate the score either. At the same time, a LOT of anime get a surprising boost in score in the long run due to big Youtuber legitimate recommendations (Gigguk comes to mind every season, fortunately for good reasons). And several of the times him or his other fellow anime reviewer friends that actually aren't just trying to meme-boost scores into infinity for the heck of it boost both number of watchers of the series talked about by them considerably, as well as their score going up or down, much like any the effect of any Aggregator site like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic has in the arguments talked about by their audience users. I hope you don't limit Ishuzoku Reviewers's score in that front with that second check up just because it got raided, most of all popular credible anime reviewers I know of really enjoyed the show, and naturally so will a big number of their followers to an extent, this Nux guy basically cemented this show into irrelevancy in the site if even legitimate scores from legitimate users are being taking into account as unreliable in the staff's eyes, and that's not something I would like to see happening. |
DanpmssFeb 17, 2020 3:46 PM
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Diyeeshe said: liamhabib said: It didn't though, at least for a little bit, Reviewers past it and was 9.28 for a time No it did not, I was following it closely and the highest Reviewers managed to get was one below FMAB but it never overtook it. Regardless, my comment was about after recalculation anyway. That's where you're wrong. It did actually take the #1 spot for a brief moment.  |
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Kineta said: I was away for the weekend and didn't read every post since I left. If you have a question that hasn't been answered, feel free to mention me. Dogemy said: No. The system does not detect brigading. Only duplicate/rating troll accounts which are newly made. This is why the scores were all recalculated.I wonder what this will do for new anime going forth when they have wow factors episodes. Like demon slayers episode 19, or vinland sagas last episode, both of which made a hefty dent in their overall scores. will an algorithm accidentally detect that as brigading? From my post: Kineta said: Entries will still be vulnerable to YouTube voting raids due to the participation of legitimate user accounts. If new entries receive organized voting brigades, we will apply the second system to these entries (to readjust their scores) and will inform the community that we have done so. Please let Ishuzoku Reviewers be the last of it. Edit: In case it's not clear, we don't want to apply the second system and will only do so in cases where we're forced to. Legitimate users should be allowed to score however they want. However, getting a tiny bit of internet fame shouldn't allow you to deliberately manipulate the score either. OH, ok yeah, i can dig it, keep up the good work |
coreynj said: Diyeeshe said: No it did not, I was following it closely and the highest Reviewers managed to get was one below FMAB but it never overtook it. Regardless, my comment was about after recalculation anyway. That's where you're wrong. It did actually take the #1 spot for a brief moment. Isn't this screenshot fake? I was F5-ing the top page every 30 seconds after it reached 80k members up to when it held 9,21 with 100k+ and didn't see this happening at all. |
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Meusnier said: liamhabib said: It didn't though, at least for a little bit, Reviewers past it and was 9.28 for a time When Lelouch is lying, at least he has some elements to back up his claims. The maximal score was 9.20 and below FMAB (at 9.22 at the time). It never reached the top spot. @Dogemy This seems quite hard to implement an algorithm that can take the residue modulo hype, and I wonder why it would be desirable to do so. Most of shows benefit from hype, but to quantify exactly how much this counts into the final score seems very difficult, as it is just one of the components of the subjective appreciation of a piece of art (or rather craft here). Furthermore, popular successes also attract salty individuals who will downvote series for the sake of contradiction and proof of self-independence. Although they are not as many as the previous group, an algorithm should also deal with them, right? In a word, I do not really think that there is a good way to make scores more "objective" since personal ratings differ a lot. Therefore, the votes should be taken equally into account unless one could find a good theory to explain what it an acceptable vote and what is not. Edit: @DomineLkira Sorry for the double refutation, I was writing my message at the same time so that yours did not appear. Yeah i guess, i mean i dont really have issue with this system, but in due time every raid dissipates and hype goes down. look no further than part 5 when it was announced and where it is now. |
Danpmss said: Isn't this screenshot fake? I was F5-ing the top page every 30 seconds after it reached 80k members up to when it held 9,21 with 100k+ and didn't see this happening at all. This might be form nux's video because he did pop that up for a second. take his reputability as you may. |
Dogemy said: It's from a dozen different places. At the very least I saw it myself at a 9.25, but I didn't take a screenshot. I know for a fact that it passed it, if only for like an hour.Danpmss said: Isn't this screenshot fake? I was F5-ing the top page every 30 seconds after it reached 80k members up to when it held 9,21 with 100k+ and didn't see this happening at all. This might be form nux's video because he did pop that up for a second. take his reputability as you may. |
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coreynj said: Dogemy said: It's from a dozen different places. At the very least I saw it myself at a 9.25, but I didn't take a screenshot. I know for a fact that it passed it, if only for like an hour.This might be form nux's video because he did pop that up for a second. take his reputability as you may. this whole thing wack, i think it did get to number one but what does it matter in the long run? it likely (without any intervention) was not gonna pierce the top 10, so the fact that it got to the 2nd is crazy. we all just need to let hentai be hentai :( |
coreynj said: Dogemy said: It's from a dozen different places. At the very least I saw it myself at a 9.25, but I didn't take a screenshot. I know for a fact that it passed it, if only for like an hour.This might be form nux's video because he did pop that up for a second. take his reputability as you may. I'm guessing this happening super early on then just after the video got uploaded and the raid started then? Because I was awake the entire night enjoying that ridiculous shitstorm it caused once I realized the score was close to a 9 out of nowhere, I wouldn't possibly have missed it being at first place for a minute, let alone an hour. |
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Dogemy said: coreynj said: It's from a dozen different places. At the very least I saw it myself at a 9.25, but I didn't take a screenshot. I know for a fact that it passed it, if only for like an hour. this whole thing wack, i think it did get to number one but what does it matter in the long run? it likely (without any intervention) was not gonna pierce the top 10, so the fact that it got to the 2nd is crazy. we all just need to let hentai be hentai :( Some hentai are worth of praise, just look at the holy dominance in market shares of otaku consumism a porn game like Fate has nowadays. It has a reason, and it's not just because it had memetically bad long sex scenes on it (I THINK!) Ishuzoku Reviewers may have a lot of explicit sexual content, but it's a great and well executed ecchi comedy with clever humor and imaginative plotlines. For a show with the entire premise being based on reviewing sexual life with different species, that's a shiny achievement, as it is literally its main element (things could easily have gone very wrong in absolute trash levels of terrible). |
DanpmssFeb 17, 2020 4:09 PM
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Dogemy said: yea this is a fake image created by someone in nuxs twitter comments there was a guy in one of the threads that proved it was fake the highest IR actually got was 9.21 to FMAB 9.22 then it started droppingDanpmss said: Isn't this screenshot fake? I was F5-ing the top page every 30 seconds after it reached 80k members up to when it held 9,21 with 100k+ and didn't see this happening at all. This might be form nux's video because he did pop that up for a second. take his reputability as you may. |
| Incredible. I'm glad that mods are protecting the scores and essence of this community so well. Thank you for the hard work! |
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coreynj said: I'm still in the minority who thinks you guys care way too much about a dumb arbitrary number. Also, if admins are able to control scores to this level, why is nobody worried about them manipulating scores in other ways to match their own opinions of a show? It's certainly within their power. Because its not normal to care about score of particular show that much. Im sure admins have better things to do. |
| About time. Good work, keep it up. |
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| LOGH will finally be #! again |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
-MEHMET- said: And where is your proof that it's fake? I don't see you with a screenshot showing how high it went, and you clearly aren't a moderator/admin. I saw the score go to 9.25 myself with my own eyes. Where's your proof that it didn't and that my eyes were lying to me?liamhabib said: It didn't though, at least for a little bit, Reviewers past it and was 9.28 for a time 9.28 screenshot is fake. Ishuzoku Reviewers' highest score was 9.21 |
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| I honsetly don't get why people are fussing over this & making a big deal out it.. A series was mass voted top 1 due a youtuber flexing on dem haters. Now it's removed & everything is resolved. Great! Now move on.. |
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coreynj said: i never saw ishuzoku reviewers go past 0.00 on the site with my own eyes, clearly it never went past that. where is your proof that i'm wrong.And where is your proof that it's fake? I don't see you with a screenshot showing how high it went, and you clearly aren't a moderator/admin. I saw the score go to 9.25 myself with my own eyes. Where's your proof that it didn't and that my eyes were lying to me? i also saw with my own eyes that someone ran the image through a software and found evidence of editing, where is your proof that i'm wrong |
Aure0linFeb 18, 2020 11:18 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Kinfin123 said: Still think the site needs critic scores to give context to the fan scores since those are still subject to massive bias, especially if you insist on allowing multiple seasons to have separate ranking (Gintama, looking at you) Drop it into the suggestions thread. |
| The Pickled Cactus Himself. |
errenos said: MAL is a very popular and reliable site and can create waves of demand for promising anime with the driver being user ratings. Hopefully they come to their senses! That's why people were mass voting IR, you silly goose. Funimation dropped it for some ridiculous reason and people wanted to show their support for the anime by rating it high. The statement has been made. |
coreynj said: And where is your proof that it's fake? I don't see you with a screenshot showing how high it went, and you clearly aren't a moderator/admin. I saw the score go to 9.25 myself with my own eyes. Where's your proof that it didn't and that my eyes were lying to me? 9.21 was the highest, scores don't grow and decrease by 0.5+ in a matter of minutes or an hour like you said. After reaching 9.21, the 1/10 ratings started to come and it started to go down. |
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DemonCoach said: You all have such problems with these completely irrelevant things. It literally doesn't matter. I still would prefer a toggle to remove scores and reviews entirely if possible, but until then I'll just close my eyes lmao *Slow clap* A man who talks sense. |
| this is such a great improvement! I'm so glad to see that y'all are able to make something like this without sacrificing the integrity of the scores. Yay algorithms lol. (I gotta put an F in chat for pingu in the city tho) but fr, keep up the good work, every day this website improves, an angel gets its wings |
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| While people are spergin out I'm just glad to see all these other downvoted series finally getting fixed |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
edelgord said: Can't wait for MAL to have enough balls to punish users who went with the fucking interesting rating system aka 1 = bad 2-10 = good (what the hell?). That kind of users are multiplied each day passes from what I've seen and MAL still doesn't do anything about it. If MAL changes their wanking scores properly to the actual descriptions it would be hilarious. Krunchyman and who else does this? |
| Just want to say that whoever was behind the DDoS shit yesterday, or even if you secretly support it: Fuck you. You're getting mad over something ridiculous while inconveniencing hundreds if not thousands of people. Get a life. |
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| So after this cluster fuck of whatever happened yesterday, is anyone having issues with their pics not showing up in their blogs? The site I use is perfectly since other pics from it are showing up. It's just random cards from clubs I am in. At least so far that's it. I haven't tried other places like my profile yet. Please let me know if I should put this in a different forum. It's just they were working just fine until this crap happened yesterday. I agree with NickRedMachine. Just because a few people wanted to do something stupid, you ruined it for thousands of people. So it's images site wide. None of the cards I add to my blogs nor my pics for my profile/signature show up. Thanks for fucking shit up for everyone whoever the hell you are. |
foxxykat1223Feb 19, 2020 11:19 AM
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| Jesus christ, literally first world problems... |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Ok,I'm confused. I have had this (mal) account for over 5 years I'm sure the mods can check. Because I upvoted a certain anime that some YouTubes asked their fans to go to mal to also upvote that anime you all just decided to throw us all in a basket? I'm 32 years old, I don't listen to my wife when I should... let alone some youtuber. I could be wrong but even if all the upvotes did come from YouTube people, how can you tell if people really didn't just liked the show. I Wonder how many of the "brigading" people is now using mal now when they didn't before. If you want to ban me fine ... I guess freedom of speech is another norm to fall. |
bluemuffin69 said: Ok,I'm confused. I have had this (mal) account for over 5 years I'm sure the mods can check. Because I upvoted a certain anime that some YouTubes asked their fans to go to mal to also upvote that anime you all just decided to throw us all in a basket? I'm 32 years old, I don't listen to my wife when I should... let alone some youtuber. I could be wrong but even if all the upvotes did come from YouTube people, how can you tell if people really didn't just liked the show. I Wonder how many of the "brigading" people is now using mal now when they didn't before. If you want to ban me fine ... I guess freedom of speech is another norm to fall. Read the first post. You're not getting banned, unless you go on a spree of trolling and abusing users. |
bluemuffin69 said: To be fair, you didn't update your list for 5 years, until you very conveniently gave Interspecies Reviewers a 10/10 on the same day this youtuber who you claim you don't watch uploaded a video instructing his viewers to go give Interspecies Reviewers a 10/10. Very strange coincidence.Ok,I'm confused. I have had this (mal) account for over 5 years I'm sure the mods can check. Because I upvoted a certain anime that some YouTubes asked their fans to go to mal to also upvote that anime you all just decided to throw us all in a basket? I'm 32 years old, I don't listen to my wife when I should... let alone some youtuber. I could be wrong but even if all the upvotes did come from YouTube people, how can you tell if people really didn't just liked the show. I Wonder how many of the "brigading" people is now using mal now when they didn't before. If you want to ban me fine ... I guess freedom of speech is another norm to fall. Not that I have any issue with that, godspeed, but at least don't lie about it. |
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coreynj said: LOL. Good call on that one.bluemuffin69 said: To be fair, you didn't update your list for 5 years, until you very conveniently gave Interspecies Reviewers a 10/10 on the same day this youtuber who you claim you don't watch uploaded a video instructing his viewers to go give Interspecies Reviewers a 10/10. Very strange coincidence.Ok,I'm confused. I have had this (mal) account for over 5 years I'm sure the mods can check. Because I upvoted a certain anime that some YouTubes asked their fans to go to mal to also upvote that anime you all just decided to throw us all in a basket? I'm 32 years old, I don't listen to my wife when I should... let alone some youtuber. I could be wrong but even if all the upvotes did come from YouTube people, how can you tell if people really didn't just liked the show. I Wonder how many of the "brigading" people is now using mal now when they didn't before. If you want to ban me fine ... I guess freedom of speech is another norm to fall. Not that I have any issue with that, godspeed, but at least don't lie about it. |
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bluemuffin69 said: Ok,I'm confused. I have had this (mal) account for over 5 years I'm sure the mods can check. Because I upvoted a certain anime that some YouTubes asked their fans to go to mal to also upvote that anime you all just decided to throw us all in a basket? I'm 32 years old, I don't listen to my wife when I should... let alone some youtuber. I could be wrong but even if all the upvotes did come from YouTube people, how can you tell if people really didn't just liked the show. I Wonder how many of the "brigading" people is now using mal now when they didn't before. If you want to ban me fine ... I guess freedom of speech is another norm to fall. It seems to me that you were a part of the brigade as well. Last update in 2014 and suddenly 10/10 to Ishuzoku right after the brigade started. Coincidence? |
Fortune favours the bold! |
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