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Feb 8, 2020 1:56 PM

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Pretty much how Slenderman came to be...holy shit. This series is so damn good. Also, poor Kuro...dude is such a chad but is in a sad situation. Monsters are scared of him, the girl he liked dumped him and still struggles with the grips of his reality, and the girl who likes him gets on his nerves all the time.
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Feb 8, 2020 2:26 PM

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Good episode.

Kuro's family was messed up, the way his grandmother treated him after he survived was just saddening.

The Internet is awesome and we all know it.
 
Feb 8, 2020 3:00 PM
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Oh so that how Kuro become like that, he was part of the family of the Sakuragawa who has been doing testing of exotic meats like that of a Kudan and mermaid and he's the only successful test subject.........

So is that girl from the flashback , Saki?????

Next ep will be solving Nanase's murder....


That wouldn't make snese if that was Saki as they only meet in high school.

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Gosh five minutes re-explaining the dude's powers yet again.
Yay action! anyway neither I'm not so excited that the anime would be leaning more into immortal dude fighting with bad ghosts, but 12 minute scene of them sitting on the floor having a chat it's absolutely boring. In this case that he would be the only character who can fight, so our girl MC would be displaced like THAT nun and the thousands of irrelevant girls co-protagonists of those action rom-com novel adaptations which I also hate, yep this is a dilemma


After the credits, Iwanaga says that to fight Nanasa they need to think up a story that'll surpass an actual story of a spectre, so you shouldn't worry about it leaning into Kuro fighting ghost.
 
 
Feb 8, 2020 4:01 PM

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It seems that Kuro's family was involved in some sick twisted experiments and he somehow managed to survived. However, he carries the burdened of being inhuman.
 
Feb 8, 2020 4:03 PM

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So the internet is to blame what else is new.
Makes you think what kind of other monster are lurking around, considering all the bs people believe in.
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Feb 8, 2020 4:14 PM

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this was a good ep, really love all the kotoko facial expressions added to my "kotoko reaction pic" folder cus of this ep. Also based that they brought up Kuro's past and how he became what he is. But fr tho looking forward to seeing how the character dynamic between Saki and Kotoko is now that Kuro is fully in the picture now !

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Feb 8, 2020 4:27 PM

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Nanase is a monster of imagination, a creation from the delusions and desires of humans. This really reminds me of Re:Creators and the creation of Altair! It's all the internet's fault!

So basically Kuro's abilities are explained again, but it was nice to actually see it in action again. How his head got restored the first time was nice, but I kinda wished we could see more of that restoration as most of it happened off-screen.

Great to see these 3 interact with each other. Kotoko's jealousy is nice to see!
 
Feb 8, 2020 4:54 PM

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"Is this the first time you've seen Kuro-senpai die ?" as if anyone should be used to that lol

An unexpected ending, it was much more "rational" than I would have though.
 
Feb 8, 2020 5:18 PM

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Kuro flexing his skills against Steel Lady Nanase, and seemingly not backing down against her, while Saki's over-worryingly behaviour caused panic and Kotoko analyzing on the sides.

Having the flashback in monochrome makes the manga feeling amplify multifold in the anime, it's just that good. And understanding the tradition of eating Youkai meat and essentially living immortal lives, that how the cruel life is laid bare before Kuro.

The never-ending jealousy continues when the 3 gather together, but the main focus is always going to be Steel Lady Nanase, with Kotoko's smaller Youkai helping relay information. The main exposition that said monster is a "monster of the imagination" is actually quite relevant, but depends on the ones who have the full story and experienced it whole, rather than those who know and spread rumours about it.

To add things further, the case of the found wiki page is what people intended it to be, not just by appearance alone. The Internet breaks all contradiction!

Pretty good episode I'd say, this arc should be over by the next episode.
 
Feb 8, 2020 6:12 PM

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Again,I have to say I haven't seen many other anime with such good character interaction.But what really made this ep for me(besides Kotoko)was the music.
i love the OP/ED and the animation while those are playing,but damn,the music throughout this ep was just excellent,and fit the moments so well.
 
 
Feb 8, 2020 6:21 PM
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this anime is one of the top 3 this season for sure,

By the flow of things
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Feb 8, 2020 6:42 PM
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Just when mc & fmc in relationship? I never hear mc accepted fmc confession... am I missing something?
 
Feb 8, 2020 6:52 PM
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I'm not a big fan of lolis, but Kotoko is funny and interesting. Hoping Kuro would begin to see that very soon.
 
Feb 8, 2020 7:39 PM
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Kuro flexing his skills against Steel Lady Nanase, and seemingly not backing down against her, while Saki's over-worryingly behaviour caused panic and Kotoko analyzing on the sides.

Having the flashback in monochrome makes the manga feeling amplify multifold in the anime, it's just that good. And understanding the tradition of eating Youkai meat and essentially living immortal lives, that how the cruel life is laid bare before Kuro.

The never-ending jealousy continues when the 3 gather together, but the main focus is always going to be Steel Lady Nanase, with Kotoko's smaller Youkai helping relay information. The main exposition that said monster is a "monster of the imagination" is actually quite relevant, but depends on the ones who have the full story and experienced it whole, rather than those who know and spread rumours about it.

To add things further, the case of the found wiki page is what people intended it to be, not just by appearance alone. The Internet breaks all contradiction!

Pretty good episode I'd say, this arc should be over by the next episode.


Oh trust me my friend, steel lady nanase arc is very long. I wouldn’t be surprised if lengthened to 12 episode. If you read the manga, you would know how long it takes to wrap up.
 
Feb 8, 2020 7:44 PM
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Kuro's family are the true monsters interesting theory of youkai creation
 
Feb 8, 2020 9:24 PM

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Kotoko and her smug faces XD
 
Feb 8, 2020 10:49 PM
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Wait that lady with the mask & split mouth is a real urban legend right? Lol interesting reference
 
 
Feb 8, 2020 11:36 PM

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Man, this episode was as good as always. The last half of chapter 4 and the first half of chapter 5 were in this episode. Looks like the dialogue wars will finally begin next week.

Also, this was skipped in the anime, but from what I've read here, it looks like it's an important detail that was said in the manga. For those who were like "If I believe my waifu could be real here/if you believe in any story, then you can bring the characters to life!", that's wrong. In the manga, Kotoko said people already know that video games, movies, anime, etc. are all fiction from the start, and they'll stay in their minds as fiction. As long as people's imaginations don't lead them to think that they actually might exist, it won't happen.

Rumors, on the other hand, can either be real or fake without any confirmation. They have the power to make people think that they actually exist. This is why fictional characters can't be real, but these types of spectres can. She also mentioned the possibility that all Yokai and ghosts are all monsters from the imagination that came from stories centuries ago.

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Pretty good episode I'd say, this arc should be over by the next episode.

Yeahhhhh... no. The dialogue will take so long that even I can say the arc might close up with the final episode. It would have to remove so many details to let this arc end in the next episode or even the next 3 episodes.
 
Feb 9, 2020 12:40 AM
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So they are creatures of the Warp....40k crossover confirmed. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warp
 
Feb 9, 2020 2:17 AM
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had no idea Kuro-san was so old. would be interesting to see what he got up to before now in the present day.
 
Feb 9, 2020 3:24 AM

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Shame that Kuro got worn down into agreeing that shrimp is his girlfriend. She works much better as cheeky little sister type rather than actual romantic interest. Despite her fear Saki still seems like a better fit. As for the plot (the plot plot, not PLOT plot), it was rather predictable, so without messed up family backstory and head smashing there wouldn't be much in this art. Still, this show is probably more about character chemistry than story.
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Feb 9, 2020 4:42 AM

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saifors said:
So according to this, in the world of this show things like Slenderman, the SCP's, Smiledog, Jeff the killer, Ben drowned, Sonic.exe and all the other creepypastas are real monsters that they might have to deal with. Sorry, Kuono and Kotko, our bad.


Now we need to create some hero who will save the world. xD
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- Monster #8 (Ch.29/??)
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Feb 9, 2020 6:14 AM

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It felt like this episode ended in like 5 mins, remarkable for a show where "nothing happens" and it is mostly dialogue, hate self insert MC but I think Kuro wasn't insufferable like most of them are, I liked that little bit when he was all upset when he was told he is seen hideous to youkai haha, I hope there are more moments like that giving him an actual personality.
 
Feb 9, 2020 6:36 AM

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kotoko probably the best waifu seasonal for this season with nero ofcourse !!
 
Feb 9, 2020 7:05 AM

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I really do love the chemistry between kuro and kotoko but sometimes it’s hard to feel like romance???? It feels more like a banter/friendship type, I cannot feel anything from kuro
 
 
Feb 9, 2020 7:07 AM

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Lol Kotoko just never stop being adorable especially when she show her jealousy..
 
Feb 9, 2020 7:09 AM

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Just when mc & fmc in relationship? I never hear mc accepted fmc confession... am I missing something?


There is 2 years time skip before this arc, it's probably being revealed later like using flashback or smt..
 
Feb 9, 2020 7:58 AM
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I was just thinking about how Hentai porn ghosts should exist in this world. So many people imagining Succubi and the imagination is so real to certain people...
 
Feb 9, 2020 8:02 AM

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Kurou could have been more badass in the fight if he learned a martial art or something. But, i guess i was asking for too much.

Anyway, i guess the pieces have started to come together and this case is going to be over soon. I hope we get to see nanase's face or smth. It's poor of her to not have a face :(


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Feb 9, 2020 9:51 AM
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had no idea Kuro-san was so old. would be interesting to see what he got up to before now in the present day.

More then a few people seem to be confused about this so this to be explained. Kuro is not that old, he's 24, his ancestor is the one that started the experiment and it was just continuously passed the generations until we get to Kuro and his grandma. Kuro was 11 I think when he ate the meat so it has only bee 12 years since he ate the meat. I guess people saw the more traditional cloths his family wore and thought he was alive before WWII or something.

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Kurou could have been more badass in the fight if he learned a martial art or something. But, i guess i was asking for too much.

Anyway, i guess the pieces have started to come together and this case is going to be over soon. I hope we get to see nanase's face or smth. It's poor of her to not have a face :(

We've already seen Nanase's face, in fact, she got a whole opening in the anime, she was the busty idol that they were talking about. We will see it a lot next episode.
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Feb 9, 2020 11:07 AM

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This series makes me excited more and more. Like Kuro and Saki =))
 
Feb 9, 2020 12:55 PM

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Two wildly different but equally interesting halves to this week's episode. Kuro's backstory of how he got his powers was pretty messed up, though I'm a little surprised that he was tricked into it essentially: from the way the yokai reacted to his presence in earlier episodes, it seemed like he had willingly gone out of his way to kill and consume the yokai he did.

As for the other half of the episode, using the Internet as a catalyst for the development of a malevolent spirit is a really clever way to bring such fantastical, monstrous beings into the modern age; it makes the connection between the past and present feel entirely seamless, which is a pretty impressive accomplishment.
 
 
Feb 9, 2020 1:09 PM
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I’m just gonna say it. Kotoko’s obsession with Kuro is really creepy. I seem to be in the minority with this opinion but jfc I cannot stomach their “relationship”. I love everything else about this anime but the way it tries to portray all that stalking, harassment and possessiveness as “cute” is pretty gross.
 
Feb 9, 2020 2:12 PM

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Damn, the beginning of this episode was really dark. I really didn't expect Kuro's background to be that awful and bleak.

I find it sad that Kotoko seems really care for Kuro but he doesn't seem to reciprocate it all. I hope they become closer because she completely accepts him and understands him on a level like no other person in the world could.

I love the idea that the human imagination gives power to these entities and creates the things we're most scared of, especially since I believe that to be quite true.
 
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J891319 said:
had no idea Kuro-san was so old. would be interesting to see what he got up to before now in the present day.

More then a few people seem to be confused about this so this to be explained. Kuro is not that all, he's 24, his ancestor is the one that started the experiment and it was just continuously passed the generations until we get to Kuro and his grandma. Kuro was 11 I think when he ate the meat so it has only bee 12 years since he ate the meat. I guess people saw the more traditional cloths his family wore and thought he was alive before WWII or something.

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Kurou could have been more badass in the fight if he learned a martial art or something. But, i guess i was asking for too much.

Anyway, i guess the pieces have started to come together and this case is going to be over soon. I hope we get to see nanase's face or smth. It's poor of her to not have a face :(

We've already seen Nanase's face in fact she got a whole opening in the anime, she was the busty idol that they were talking about. We will see it a lot next episode.


well that just doesn't make sense.
how is it "immortality" if his ancestors have died before him to pass it down. or are they all still alive somewhere. What's your source?
Also, he's referred to as "Kuro" in the flashback and looks exactly like him.
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well that just doesn't make sense.
how is it "immortality" if his ancestors have died before him to pass it down. or are they all still alive somewhere. What's your source?

I'm sorry, but what? They never said that his immortality was passed down to him by his ancestors, but it was by luckily surviving the two meat he ate. I don't understand how you got into that conclusion? Also not sure if it was said in the anime, but in the manga, if you eat mermaid meat, you're supposed to stay in the form of whatever age you ate it, so Kuro was supposed to stay as an 11-year old boy. But since he ate the other meat, it cancelled out, so he continued aging. With that, with how old his appearance now, he can't be really old at all, just around a young adult.

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Also, he's referred to as "Kuro" in the flashback and looks exactly like him.

That's because it is him?
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jd2001z said:
J891319 said:
well that just doesn't make sense.
how is it "immortality" if his ancestors have died before him to pass it down. or are they all still alive somewhere. What's your source?

I'm sorry, but what? They never said that his immortality was passed down to him by his ancestors, but it was by luckily surviving the two meat he ate. I don't understand how you got into that conclusion? Also not sure if it was said in the anime, but in the manga, if you eat mermaid meat, you're supposed to stay in the form of whatever age you ate it, so Kuro was supposed to stay as an 11-year old boy. But since he ate the other meat, it cancelled out, so he continued aging. With that, with how old his appearance now, he can't be really old at all, just around a young adult.

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Also, he's referred to as "Kuro" in the flashback and looks exactly like him.

That's because it is him?



yeah, exactly, I agree with you. look at the post I'm replying to. he says it wasn't him.
 
 
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yeah, exactly, I agree with you. look at the post I'm replying to. he says it wasn't him.

Ohhh. I think he was talking about how his ancestor "passed down" the experiments, not the immortality. It didn't really succeed until Kuro, after all.
 
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yeah, exactly, I agree with you. look at the post I'm replying to. he says it wasn't him.

Ohhh. I think he was talking about how his ancestor "passed down" the experiments, not the immortality. It didn't really succeed until Kuro, after all.


yeah that's what I thought. guess this is just a misunderstanding. so is Kuro only in his 20s or is he older? not so clear on that.
 
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yeah that's what I thought. guess this is just a misunderstanding. so is Kuro only in his 20s or is he older? not so clear on that.

Like @kingaron3 said, he's 24. Kotoko first met Kuro when he was 20, then they finally actually talked two years later. After that, they got into a "relationship", which went on for 2 years, so now he's 24 years old.
 
 
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yeah that's what I thought. guess this is just a misunderstanding. so is Kuro only in his 20s or is he older? not so clear on that.

Like @kingaron3 said, he's 24. Kotoko first met Kuro when he was 20, then they finally actually talked two years later. After that, they got into a "relationship", which went on for 2 years, so now he's 24 years old.


okay, that makes sense. I guess I was thrown off by his traditional household in the flashback and the black and white style. made me think it was longer ago.
 
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kingaron3 said:

More then a few people seem to be confused about this so this to be explained. Kuro is not that all, he's 24, his ancestor is the one that started the experiment and it was just continuously passed the generations until we get to Kuro and his grandma. Kuro was 11 I think when he ate the meat so it has only bee 12 years since he ate the meat. I guess people saw the more traditional cloths his family wore and thought he was alive before WWII or something.


We've already seen Nanase's face in fact she got a whole opening in the anime, she was the busty idol that they were talking about. We will see it a lot next episode.


well that just doesn't make sense.
how is it "immortality" if his ancestors have died before him to pass it down. or are they all still alive somewhere. What's your source?
Also, he's referred to as "Kuro" in the flashback and looks exactly like him.

The ancestor is the old man, not the kid who put the stick through his hand. That kid is Kuro who was 11( I think) at the time.

It makes sense because the person who stared the experiments was his ancestor, this ancestor did not become immortal. How it went down is that his ancestor wanted the predict the future so he could gain money and power. So he decided to get Kudan meat in order to feed it to his servants because the Kudan is able to predict the future and then die. After feeding the meet to his servants he got varying levels of failure from the experiment. Some people would die the instants they ate the meat, others would get sick and then die, and finally, some would predict the future and then die. The problem was that once people would predict the future they would die and couldn't predict any more futures. So the ancestor got frustrated and came up with the idea of combining the powers of Kudan and Mermaid meat because legend has it that if you eat the meat of a mermaid you will gain immortality. Once he started making people eat both types of meat the mortality rate dropped drastically. The ancestor who performed these experiments died, presumably of old age. Then the experiment was passed down the generations until we get to Kuro's grandma, who feeds him and his other young relatives both the Kudan and mermaid meat. As far as the anime has shown you there was only one survivor and this was Kuro who was 11, I think. Kuro is not over 50 years old he is only 24, his family just wore very traditional clothes.

My evidence was this episode and chapter 4 of the manga. I have read the manga I know this stuff.
 
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kingaron3 said:
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well that just doesn't make sense.
how is it "immortality" if his ancestors have died before him to pass it down. or are they all still alive somewhere. What's your source?
Also, he's referred to as "Kuro" in the flashback and looks exactly like him.

The ancestor is the old man, not the kid who put the stick through his hand. That kid is Kuro who was 11( I think) at the time.

It makes sense because the person who stared the experiments was his ancestor, this ancestor did not become immortal. How it went down is that his ancestor wanted the predict the future so he could gain money and power. So he decided to get Kudan meat in order to feed it to his servants because the Kudan is able to predict the future and then die. After feeding the meet to his servants he got varying levels of failure from the experiment. Some people would die the instants they ate the meat, others would get sick and then die, and finally, some would predict the future and then die. The problem was that once people would predict the future they would die and couldn't predict any more futures. So the ancestor got frustrated and came up with the idea of combining the powers of Kudan and Mermaid meat because legend has it that if you eat the meat of a mermaid you will gain immortality. Once he started making people eat both types of meat the mortality rate dropped drastically. The ancestor who performed these experiments died, presumably of old age. Then the experiment was passed down the generations until we get to Kuro's grandma, who feeds him and his other young relatives both the Kudan and mermaid meat. As far as the anime has shown you there was only one survivor and this was Kuro who was 11, I think. Kuro is not over 50 years old he is only 24, his family just wore very traditional clothes.

My evidence was this episode and chapter 4 of the manga. I have read the manga I know this stuff.


yeah that makes sense. I thought you were saying that Kuro in the flashback wasn't him. I see you meant the old man.
 
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Anybody make a connection to the show Supernatural and the episode with the ghostfacers and the tulpa? If you have it actually makes a decent line up of how they might kill the steel lady. In there they made the rumor contain a way to get rid of her "though it didn't quite work due to the ghostfacers being idiots". No idea if that's what their going to do here but it lines up quite well.
 
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Kuro's background was a tragic. Although I already understood that most immortal character always have a few screw loose, but this time, it's not really his fault he became a defect human being.
 
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So is that girl from the flashback , Saki?????

Nope, that's his older cousin aka


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Next ep will be solving Nanase's murder....

Nope, the next episode will mostly just about talking.
 
 
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The internet, the solution to the many problems in life, but also the cause of many problems to begin with...

Either way, this episode was very good. The fight between Kuro and Nanase was bloody, but it also showed just how brutal Kuro can be with the way he fights. However, this fight was a stalemate, of Kotoko did the right thing to call out to Kuro, which ended the fight for now.

This scene also finally confirmed that Kotoko and Kuro ARE dating. Despite that, Kuro doesn't look too pleased at all, but Kotoko's jealousy makes her look so damn cute! X3

The backstory of Kuro and how he acquired his powers was pretty sad, though. His ancestors were so hell bent on making their dreams come true that so many lives around them were sacrificed so often. =(

Either way, this plan of taking down Nanase is the best one they have, but it won't be easy. The dialogue for this episode has been informative, but also amusing, so I hope that continues into the next episode, too. It's one of the charms that I like about this series. =D
 
Feb 10, 2020 2:40 PM
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Aside from episode 2, this show has been REALLY GOOD...holy moly! It's a breath of fresh air to not have high school students as main characters. Kuro, so far is such a cool MC to watch and that's because I'm tired of watching beta male MCs

I'm also enjoying the banter going on between Saki and Kotoko and Kuro and Kotoko. Also, a female MC who doesn't have a hard time expressing her feelings? Wah? What travesty is this?

Rating for this episode: 5/5
Original Overall Rating before this episode: 8/10
New Overall Rating after this episode: 8.6/10


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This boi has still not moved on from Saki hasn't he? the sexual tension those 2 were emitting especially when Saki just gave him a can of coffee. Kotoko's interesting with her witty interactions with characters like Saki and Kuro but damn... I just cant see her and Kuro getting it on unlike Saki X Kuro.
That aside that was a pretty savage like fight but the animation wasnt any good at all. For a moment I thought Steel Lady Nanase was just a figment of imagination, turns out it really was like that in a way, caused by the internet people who spread rumors got her to exist at a faster rate due to already having an image portrayed on her existance. Pretty exciting shit, can't wait how this all wraps up. I kinda feel bad for Kuro, dude looks like he's being forced to get into a relationship with Kotoko, I don't know if that's just his way of poking fun at her but if what he says has no deeper meaning than damn.. I can't really blame Saki for this, Kuro ain't normal and not a lot of people can come into terms with someone whom you were planning to make a family with turns out he can regenerate parts of his body and show no signs of pain or anything, thats pretty scary. I did like how she's able to casually joke about the Kappa yokai thing with Kuro tho. Girl is probably slowly getting used to yokai's.
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it's so fun seeing Iwanaga getting worked-up because the two met! exbf/exgf! lolz!
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