| MAL admins have gone mad with power, it's the only explanation. |
| I think I will have to change the Quote on my Forum signature before they think I was involved in this. |
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Touma_Mikoto said: People need to stop listening to these anime YouTubers. These Anime YouTubers need to stop using their followers to do stuff like this.Nux Taku did make a video though and he did ask to rate it 10/10 but it not like he asked to make bot/ multiple accounts or to downvote an other anime |
Touma_Mikoto said: Funny enough, I think that quote kind of reflects on what has happened to Nux's channel after his "Biggest Flexes in Anime" series and all the growth it brought him.Afloo said: I think I will have to change the Quote on my Forum signature before they think I was involved in this. but that is such a good quote "The more popular an anime becomes, the larger the fan base becomes. The larger the fan base becomes, the more weirdos are in the fan base. The more weirdos with louder voices..." -NuxTaku, 2019 also I think only users that joined yesterday/today (like me) would be in "danger" |
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Touma_Mikoto said: Reshiram_IX said: People need to stop listening to these anime YouTubers. These Anime YouTubers need to stop using their followers to do stuff like this. it is not like the Nux Taku fans did not choose themselves to vote it 10/10 or not Nux Taku only made people aware you can do that and about this website Anyone using their platform to promote something or saying that they want something/people to do something has the responsibility weigh primarily on the promoter's shoulders. If you see someone you hate in a crowd and you point them out to your million followers, you have become the leader of that mob. You would be responsible for the actions ensuing as that group's leader. |
| Not all these scores are illegitimate though - I made a MAL account just to cast my vote on this, and in my review I plainly stated that I gave this a 10 not because it's perfect, but because it feels necessary. There are a lot of good lessons about healthy sexual attitudes in this show, and the seemingly intended audience is young folk (read: late teens. That's pretty damn young to me, as an oldtaku) that need those lessons the most - for my part, I feel my vote is one for the betterment of sexual health among young anime fans, and I wholeheartedly endorse the placing of such media on a pedestal. Any anime that can affect positive change in the real world is a 10 for me. |
Afloo said: I think I will have to change the Quote on my Forum signature before they think I was involved in this. How do I add a quote? If you don't mind helping me. |
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DaraSilverDragon said: Sure not all of them, but a large majority of them areNot all these scores are illegitimate though - I made a MAL account just to cast my vote on this, and in my review I plainly stated that I gave this a 10 not because it's perfect, but because it feels necessary. There are a lot of good lessons about healthy sexual attitudes in this show, and the seemingly intended audience is young folk (read: late teens. That's pretty damn young to me, as an oldtaku) that need those lessons the most - for my part, I feel my vote is one for the betterment of sexual health among young anime fans, and I wholeheartedly endorse the placing of such media on a pedestal. Any anime that can affect positive change in the real world is a 10 for me. |
| My 10 is legit. Do they want a fucking review or something to prove it? Because I can do that. Don't weigh me less with almost five years on the site because I don't conform to the norm. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| From the moment that someone increases their score to 10 OR creates an account specifically to rate it a 10 because SOMEONE ELSE asked them to do so, that's the case of legitimate accounts with illegitimate scores, because as of right now the mean score of Ishuzoku Reviewers on MAL does not represent the true community consensus on the show - and I reiterate, precisely because most people did not rate it a 10 because they genuinely thought the series deserves a 10. Now, as for what MAL admins are going to do, IDK, but the most they can do is target the accounts that were made in the past X hours SPECIFICALLY to rate it a 10. |
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Reshiram_IX said: DaraSilverDragon said: Sure not all of them, but a large majority of them areNot all these scores are illegitimate though - I made a MAL account just to cast my vote on this, and in my review I plainly stated that I gave this a 10 not because it's perfect, but because it feels necessary. There are a lot of good lessons about healthy sexual attitudes in this show, and the seemingly intended audience is young folk (read: late teens. That's pretty damn young to me, as an oldtaku) that need those lessons the most - for my part, I feel my vote is one for the betterment of sexual health among young anime fans, and I wholeheartedly endorse the placing of such media on a pedestal. Any anime that can affect positive change in the real world is a 10 for me. And admittedly so - I saw the Nux video, but that's not what made me put this review up (I'm not even subbed to his channel - I don't really like his voice tbh). But my question is how do they distinguish the fake votes from the real ones like mine? Because while I would never argue that this show even approaches the quality of something like FMA, I also do consider it very much required viewing for sexually active anime fans, to be able to learn outside of their own perspective and become more competent partners Nostalgik said: From the moment that someone increases their score to 10 OR creates an account specifically to rate it a 10 because SOMEONE ELSE asked them to do so, that's the case of legitimate accounts with illegitimate scores, because as of right now the mean score of Ishuzoku Reviewers on MAL does not represent the true community consensus on the show - and I reiterate, precisely because most people did not rate it a 10 because they genuinely thought the series deserves a 10. Now, as for what MAL admins are going to do, IDK, but the most they can do is target the accounts that were made in the past X hours SPECIFICALLY to rate it a 10. And yet, I made MY account just to upvote this, but for entirely legitimate reasons unrelated to anituber content creators - what about my vote then? |
Touma_Mikoto said: Nux Taku did make a video though and he did ask to rate it 10/10 but it not like he asked to make bot/ multiple accounts or to downvote an other anime But he did ask to upvote this massively. Actively, multiple times. That bit is very clear. |
| Eh I don't understand the admins/mods sometimes. If a legit user gives this show a 10, it is illegitimate? How do they know? How do they decide what is legit and what is not? To me it sounds like the admins what this show to disappear, because having an ecchi being #1 would look like MAL is a troll site with nonsense scores (which is kinda already is). I mean, how would any newcomers react if they see a show upvoted by trolls to the top? They would think this site is dubious. On the other hand if you have something like FMA on top it for sure looks much more normie-friendly. |
Touma_Mikoto said: They chose to do it? The only reason they did it was because he told them. Why else do you think YouTubers are starting to be called influencers. Because they influence people into doing thingsReshiram_IX said: People need to stop listening to these anime YouTubers. These Anime YouTubers need to stop using their followers to do stuff like this. it is not like the Nux Taku fans did not choose themselves to vote it 10/10 or not Nux Taku only made people aware you can do that and about this website |
Touma_Mikoto said: Doesn’t matter if he asked them to make bot accounts he used his followers to spam fake reviews on a show half of them never even watched.jal90 said: But he did ask to upvote this massively. Actively, multiple times. That bit is very clear. He definitely did not ask to make bot accounts or multiple accounts nor downvote other anime I have seen the video in question so I know that much as fact |
Touma_Mikoto said: jal90 said: But he did ask to upvote this massively. Actively, multiple times. That bit is very clear. He definitely did not ask to make bot accounts or multiple accounts nor downvote other anime I have seen the video in question so I know that much as fact Oh yes, sorry, he didn't ask his users to make bot accounts, he asked them to expose their legitimate accounts by brigading in this crap. Not sure what's worse. And don't get me started if you believe Nux didn't predict that rating bots would be created as well for this cause. |
| Lol why am I not surprised nux was the one behind this madness? |
| Welcome to MAL, where everything is made up and the points don't matter. If anything, this is probably the least severe of MAL's history of score manipulation, because I'm pretty sure almost all of the votes for IR are legit. When you start judging the authenticity of someone's score by assuming whether or not they have been "sent" by some influencer you get to a pretty slippery slope. I don't know the formula for what MAL calls a weighted score, but I do know a score above a 9 with 35,000 votes at the time of writing this is pretty plausible simply because thats how averages work in general. The legitimacy of FMAB (obviously) with a score so high based on a whopping one million users is way more questionable, and besides knowing that its BS, we just let it happen. |
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Touma_Mikoto said: jal90 said: Oh yes, sorry, he didn't ask his users to make bot accounts, he asked them to expose their legitimate accounts by brigading in this crap. Not sure what's worse. And don't get me started if you believe Nux didn't predict that rating bots would be created as well for this cause. this is not harassment aka brigading and suggesting to vote for something is not forcing them we can think on our own like I for example have not voted at all as for bots I do not think most of the 10/10 are bots though :/ Of course, and that's how it will happen. Accounts that took part in this vote brigading will be banned or deleted. |
| Just put a delay on new accounts before allowing for them to put in a score, problem solved. If they want to take it further, sift through the reviews find the egregious ones and void them. If it were up to me I would dump the anime and then put it back on the list just to reset the rating. |
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DaraSilverDragon said: Note that this would be a temporary and yet still flawed fix to the problem, but if anything, by banishing those new accounts' scores, the people who actually kept using the website - like you - would be able to just score the series again. The people who created the account JUST to feed the meme and who'd never come back would be the only ones affected. But of course, no one can predict when Nux's video will stop being noticed and having such an effect.Reshiram_IX said: Sure not all of them, but a large majority of them are And admittedly so - I saw the Nux video, but that's not what made me put this review up (I'm not even subbed to his channel - I don't really like his voice tbh). But my question is how do they distinguish the fake votes from the real ones like mine? Because while I would never argue that this show even approaches the quality of something like FMA, I also do consider it very much required viewing for sexually active anime fans, to be able to learn outside of their own perspective and become more competent partners Nostalgik said: From the moment that someone increases their score to 10 OR creates an account specifically to rate it a 10 because SOMEONE ELSE asked them to do so, that's the case of legitimate accounts with illegitimate scores, because as of right now the mean score of Ishuzoku Reviewers on MAL does not represent the true community consensus on the show - and I reiterate, precisely because most people did not rate it a 10 because they genuinely thought the series deserves a 10. Now, as for what MAL admins are going to do, IDK, but the most they can do is target the accounts that were made in the past X hours SPECIFICALLY to rate it a 10. And yet, I made MY account just to upvote this, but for entirely legitimate reasons unrelated to anituber content creators - what about my vote then? |
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| >when an entry receives upwards of 15,000 "10" votes in less than 24 hours and those votes can be linked to one source, there is clearly a problem sounds reasonable though, we do not know how the conditions work for the system patches that they will do anyway and we might never know since it will be exploited if we know those system patches anyway, they did say they will not tamper on the scores as much as possible so relax and see the results first before complaining like this unless you are one of those exploiters and yep i saw your empty profile so nice try alt account of an exploiter |
Andigo said: That actually sounds like a good ideaJust put a delay on new accounts before allowing for them to put in a score, problem solved. If they want to take it further, sift through the reviews find the egregious ones and void them. If it were up to me I would dump the anime and then put it back on the list just to reset the rating. |
Reshiram_IX said: Yeah, these anime YouTubers, spreading to the rest of the world what anime THEY like... How DARE they! They've stolen my childhood.People need to stop listening to these anime YouTubers. These Anime YouTubers need to stop using their followers to do stuff like this. |
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Sarteck said: Nux didn't just tell what anime they liked, they ORDERED his fans to raid this animes score. He specifically told them how to do it and why they should do it.Reshiram_IX said: Yeah, these anime YouTubers, spreading to the rest of the world what anime THEY like... How DARE they! They've stolen my childhood.People need to stop listening to these anime YouTubers. These Anime YouTubers need to stop using their followers to do stuff like this. There is no ambiguity. He is trying to manipulate this animes score by using his deticated fans. |
Groenboys said: Yeah, you're totally right. I have absolutely no agency, I MUST follow Nux's orders...Sarteck said: Nux didn't just tell what anime they liked, they ORDERED his fans to raid this animes score. He specifically told them how to do it and why they should do it.Yeah, these anime YouTubers, spreading to the rest of the world what anime THEY like... How DARE they! They've stolen my childhood. There is no ambiguity. He is trying to manipulate this animes score by using his deticated fans. No, seriously here, claiming as you are that we have no agency of our own and therefore our votes don't matter... You're basically saying "You hold a different opinion and therefore it must be discarded." |
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| How do you illegitimately score something legitimately? It's all subjective taste to begin with. SkyDrop said: honestly I wished mal could had avoided this whole stressful situation by making a complicated new member register system or make another bold move by just taking scores from the mal supporters alone. Ah yes, the answer for us all is to gatekeep or pay-wall everyone out. How could that ever possibly go wrong? |
| Nico nico ni~eed a siggy like the all the cool kids Really wish we had a rep system so I could farm it and spam rep+ |
| I think they will do a system like the Steam one. Where if a lot of "changes" applied a little time, that will not count. Anyways, for me, this anime is a 8-9 of 10, i really love it but the art is not for all. :) |
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SkyDrop said: It's pretty telling when you want to discourage new membership due to wanting elitism to control vote results.honestly I wished mal could had avoided this whole stressful situation by making a complicated new member register system or make another bold move by just taking scores from the mal supporters alone. |
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| Honestly while I'm a fan of Nux, this shit he's trying to do is just making the admin's jobs harder and more time consuming. Sure it might seem funny, but it's a totally illegitimate and bogus score now compared to its already 7.57 score. I'm betting they're just gonna remove all the 10's that were put up on the day his video was uploaded. This is just utter nonsense |
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