| A lot of Anime Fans seems to dismiss the mecha genre when most have only seen Evangelion or Gundam Wing. They just seem to write everything else off as uninteresting or bad without actually giving anything a real chance. I've even seen some people on here put it into the same category as Shounen when it comes to "bottom of the barrel" genres. Does anyone else feel it's a misunderstood and under appreciated genre like I do? |
| Well, not by me at least. I find the genre to be fairly fun and enjoyable and I've seen a couple hundred mecha titles at this point. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
| Have you seen Digibro or something? He literally just put out a video talking about how underappreciated the mecha genre is earlier this week... Anyway, I guess you're right... I haven't even seen any mecha shows myself! Guess that's gonna change, I really need to watch stuff like Genmu Senki Leda ASAP. |
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Zeroflamez said: A lot of Anime Fans seems to dismiss the mecha genre when most have only seen Evangelion or Gundam Wing. ...or Code Geass. Zeroflamez said: They just seem to write everything else off as uninteresting or bad without actually giving anything a real chance. There are people who are genuinely displeased by the sci-fi aspects. But those "Using mechs in battle lowers the stakes. The pilots are in the safest place. A real fight is hand to hand where the stakes are real!" guys are kind of annoyance. Like pilots die in war mecha all the time and those characters that got horribly beaten and mutilated in battle shounen are fine in the next episode or two. Zeroflamez said: I've even seen some people on here put it into the same category as Shounen I don't get this - most of the mecha is shounen. |
| For the most part it's really one thing: mech anime are generally reliant on CG, and you know how the community feels about CG |
bledsoe60 said: and you know how the community feels about CG Yeah, the community is totally fine with 3D CGI when it pictures furry propaganda.  jk |
Takuto_Shindou said: Mecha is so gimmicky its inclusion makes no sense most of the time, like Code Geass has giant robot fights for absolutely no reason other than plot device. Give everyone laser guns and nothing changes. Like this is totally Code Geass's fault, give some other examples! But like genuine mecha not Granbelm. |
| Preach it bro, mecha has so much awesome stuff to offer and it’s sad not many people tend to see it. Oh well |
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| I definitely feel the same way. Too many people completely dismiss the who genre as boring, many saying they fights aren't interesting simply because you don't see the characters fight directly. How that makes fucking giant robot fights boring is beyond me though. |
| I hate the protective nature of the robots. If two people are fighting I want to see some blood. And deaths are usually just big explosions so we're shielded from actually seeing characters die. |
| Shoot first, think never. |
| Rather than underappreciated I feel like it's just not as popular in the West, just like sports and magical girl anime. There are a few that are very well-known and popular, and then the rest has a more niche audience. However, even those less popular anime usually have a pretty devoted fanbase. I personally find it hard to get into mecha. There's just so many I have no idea which one to watch apart from the most popular ones. It's probably the case with most anime fans. |
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| I want more hot blooded super robot shows like Gunbuster, Diebuster, and Gurren Lagann. The mecha shows recently have just been so lame. |
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| I only recently started to take genuine interest in the genre and I quite enjoy it so far. It's almost like discovering a whole new world, a new level of escapism. Surely, there are good and bad examples like with any genre. It's totally unfair to dismiss the whole thing but I also understand how it might not seem very appealing to most of the people. I avoided it before too, probably just takes the right mental state or mood to appreciate what the genre has to offer. |
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EndlessMaria said: I want more hot blooded super robot shows like Gunbuster, Diebuster, and Gurren Lagann. The mecha shows recently have just been so lame. I would say no to those type of mecha anime, I watched all three and I thought they were lame. Not the kind of mecha I like, no offense. |
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| Yeah, its really irritating how these people diss an entire genre without giving it a chance. Bleh. |
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| Back in my day it was over-appreciated; just one era of Gundam after another and multiple clones of Neon Genesis Evangelion. |
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| I get what you're saying but I wouldn't call it underappreciated. It's just that it doesn't appeal to people as much as it did in the past. Honestly, I really hate the whole underappreciated/overappreciated/underrated/overrated argument. I for one don't like watching people control giant robots to fight each other, I would much prefer them to just smash it out with their fists or maybe some weapons |
MeisterDM said: EndlessMaria said: I want more hot blooded super robot shows like Gunbuster, Diebuster, and Gurren Lagann. The mecha shows recently have just been so lame. I would say no to those type of mecha anime, I watched all three and I thought they were lame. Not the kind of mecha I like, no offense. Yikes. Those are some of the best anime I've seen lmao. |
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| Mecha is almost dead, well at least for me. Most of them use CG nowadays, even Sunrise is starting to use it more. |
Haunt-bot said: I hate the protective nature of the robots. If two people are fighting I want to see some blood. And deaths are usually just big explosions so we're shielded from actually seeing characters die. I can tell you haven't seen many Mecha Anime if any at all. Most of them show the person actually dying in the cock pit and some have them actually bleeding as well. You're kind of what I mean by Anime fans dismissing a genre they haven't even watched 5 shows from. bledsoe60 said: For the most part it's really one thing: mech anime are generally reliant on CG, and you know how the community feels about CG Not all Mech Anime use CG though. Even the ones that do, people just can't write it off cause some CG used in Mech Anime are very well done. alshu said: Zeroflamez said: A lot of Anime Fans seems to dismiss the mecha genre when most have only seen Evangelion or Gundam Wing. ...or Code Geass. Zeroflamez said: They just seem to write everything else off as uninteresting or bad without actually giving anything a real chance. There are people who are genuinely displeased by the sci-fi aspects. But those "Using mechs in battle lowers the stakes. The pilots are in the safest place. A real fight is hand to hand where the stakes are real!" guys are kind of annoyance. Like pilots die in war mecha all the time and those characters that got horribly beaten and mutilated in battle shounen are fine in the next episode or two. Zeroflamez said: I've even seen some people on here put it into the same category as Shounen I don't get this - most of the mecha is shounen. What I meant was battle shounen. My bad Fario-P said: Have you seen Digibro or something? He literally just put out a video talking about how underappreciated the mecha genre is earlier this week... Anyway, I guess you're right... I haven't even seen any mecha shows myself! Guess that's gonna change, I really need to watch stuff like Genmu Senki Leda ASAP. Nope I don't particularly like him or watch his videos. Just a coincidence. Takuto_Shindou said: Mecha is so gimmicky its inclusion makes no sense most of the time, like Code Geass has giant robot fights for absolutely no reason other than plot device. Give everyone laser guns and nothing changes. You could say that just about anything. So your point doesn't hold up at all FacelessVixen said: Back in my day it was over-appreciated; just one era of Gundam after another and multiple clones of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Yeah I really miss that era. I don't expect Mecha to be as popular as it once was but I'd damn like to see it get more attention than it has in the past decade |
| It feels like less and less anime with mecha as the main theme are coming out each year, and good ones as well. The only mecha show that's come out within the last couple of years that I've seen that's actually good was Gridman, but the rest are mainly crappy high school futuristic magical girl ecchi body suit mecha anime. (I've yet to see MSG Red Comet or Promare) |
| I wish we had more good mecha to look forward to. The only mecha I can think of I am excited about is Hathaway's flash. Atleast there are alot of great old mecha. |
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| It's just the the times have changed and technology is no longer headed onto robotics. Mecha was huge in the past it was more popular than Battle Shounen back in the 80's, there were tons of clones of Mazinger Z and Gundam back then, kids would be asking robots to Santa for Christmas. Paralel to this you had popular western shows like Transformers, the Jettson and even sitcoms like the Small Wonder, you had the original Star Wars trilogy, it was a reflect of the era. But on current times it's all about superheroes, cinema is all about marvelesque movies, the rise of MHA and One Punch Man in Japan. After all Anime is an industry and it will respond to the demands of the market, if there is not much Mecha fans, these days then it's really hard for an original non sequel Mecha anime to succeed. Also i think the rise of MMA leaded to a change in how action is perceived and reflected on the different audiovisual mediums (like having Eren Titan arm-barring the armored titan out of nowhere) Before superheroes we had zombies (that influenced the appeal of AOT, Tokyo Ghoul and such) but who knows what trends awaits for us in the future once people get tired of superheroes, trends are cyclical though so Mecha might eventually do a huge comeback. |
SoulblightJan 25, 2020 9:27 PM
| im fine if mecha evolves from giant robots to nanomachines like Iron-man power suits the recent Ultraman anime is like that although its only popular in Japan |
marinara-sauce said: I get what you're saying but I wouldn't call it underappreciated. It's just that it doesn't appeal to people as much as it did in the past. Honestly, I really hate the whole underappreciated/overappreciated/underrated/overrated argument. I for one don't like watching people control giant robots to fight each other, I would much prefer them to just smash it out with their fists or maybe some weapons I don't have a problem with people who don't watch Mecha Anime out of being completely uninterested in the genre. What I don't agree with is people that use inaccurate arguments about the genre as their reasoning to why they don't try watching it. deg said: im fine if mecha evolves from giant robots to nanomachines like Iron-man power suits the recent Ultraman anime is like that although its only popular in Japan If it evolves into that it's no longer mecha. jejehartadi said: Mecha is almost dead, well at least for me. Most of them use CG nowadays, even Sunrise is starting to use it more. Why is everyone so allergic to CG? A lot of modern Mecha CG is looking really good now days. Especially Sunrise's |
ZeroflamezJan 25, 2020 9:20 PM
deg said: im fine if mecha evolves from giant robots to nanomachines like Iron-man power suits the recent Ultraman anime is like that although its only popular in Japan That sounds like Super Sentai to me. |
Zeroflamez said: Just my personal preference. CG just looks different, the movement especially.Why is everyone so allergic to CG? A lot of modern Mecha CG is looking really good now days. Especially Sunrise's |
EndlessMaria said: I want more hot blooded super robot shows like Gunbuster, Diebuster, and Gurren Lagann. If Gunbuster got a third installment I could die content on the spot. As far as CG, I also don't get the CG hate. Frankly it has improved mecha in some ways where old animation was either expensive as hell or ugly as sin. And even when it was good it was mainly in short single cour or OVA shows. Recent memory says that some of the best mechanical animation I've seen in mecha is IBO which is CG. A few others are also good but tend towards futuristic "alien" smooth mechs which don't need a whole lot of animating or are Super Robot that tends to not be super detailed anyways. Incidentially I think Polygon did real good with Sidonia, and I love the full-CG look a lot. QE: forgot to go on topic, most people don't dislike mecha they dislike complex or baffling plot which mecha is infamous for and hence casuals and non-mecha fans avoid the genre proper. Same reason a lot of people dislike Lain and Ergo Proxy. |
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ItsaNico said: EndlessMaria said: I want more hot blooded super robot shows like Gunbuster, Diebuster, and Gurren Lagann. If Gunbuster got a third installment I could die content on the spot. It's supposedly in the works: https://myanimelist.net/anime/38273/Top_wo_Nerae_3 |
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ItsaNico said: EndlessMaria said: I want more hot blooded super robot shows like Gunbuster, Diebuster, and Gurren Lagann. If Gunbuster got a third installment I could die content on the spot. As far as CG, I also don't get the CG hate. Frankly it has improved mecha in some ways where old animation was either expensive as hell or ugly as sin. And even when it was good it was mainly in short single cour or OVA shows. Recent memory says that some of the best mechanical animation I've seen in mecha is IBO which is CG. A few others are also good but tend towards futuristic "alien" smooth mechs which don't need a whole lot of animating or are Super Robot that tends to not be super detailed anyways. Incidentially I think Polygon did real good with Sidonia, and I love the full-CG look a lot. QE: forgot to go on topic, most people don't dislike mecha they dislike complex or baffling plot which mecha is infamous for and hence casuals and non-mecha fans avoid the genre proper. Same reason a lot of people dislike Lain and Ergo Proxy. IBO doesn't use CG models though for the Mobile Suits. |
Soulblight said: deg said: im fine if mecha evolves from giant robots to nanomachines like Iron-man power suits the recent Ultraman anime is like that although its only popular in Japan That sounds like Super Sentai to me. mecha like gundam is usually a sentai/group too anyway but its more like tokekatsu if i spelled that right like the live action Garo and Masked Rider |
deg said: but its more like tokekatsu if i spelled that right like the live action Garo and Masked Rider Let's push for a Jiban anime remake, the ultimate mecha evolution! I used to watch this shit everday as a kid, what an epic Opening. |
SoulblightJan 25, 2020 10:03 PM
Zeroflamez said: IBO doesn't use CG models though for the Mobile Suits. Pretty sure Sunrise uses frame automation tools as does most of the industry, which I'd count as a form of CG. Key frames may be drawn by hand (via computer), but a lot of the animation and backgrounds are very much at minimum computer-aided as opposed to simply drawing with a computer. I do understand that some people think of things like Sidonia when they think CG, I look at it as CG being generally anything that isn't either analog animating and it's direct digital facsimile with very minor computer aid. I mean CG is just "computer graphics" or "computer generated" of which both can apply to computer-aided animation. |
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Zeroflamez said: marinara-sauce said: I get what you're saying but I wouldn't call it underappreciated. It's just that it doesn't appeal to people as much as it did in the past. Honestly, I really hate the whole underappreciated/overappreciated/underrated/overrated argument. I for one don't like watching people control giant robots to fight each other, I would much prefer them to just smash it out with their fists or maybe some weapons I don't have a problem with people who don't watch Mecha Anime out of being completely uninterested in the genre. What I don't agree with is people that use inaccurate arguments about the genre as their reasoning to why they don't try watching it. Ohhh so you're what you don't like is when people take one thing they didn't like from an anime and brand every show in the genre with it. Yeah I agree that kind of thing always sucks, not only for mecha, lots of other genres have that problem too |
ItsaNico said: Zeroflamez said: IBO doesn't use CG models though for the Mobile Suits. Pretty sure Sunrise uses frame automation tools as does most of the industry, which I'd count as a form of CG. Key frames may be drawn by hand (via computer), but a lot of the animation and backgrounds are very much at minimum computer-aided as opposed to simply drawing with a computer. I do understand that some people think of things like Sidonia when they think CG, I look at it as CG being generally anything that isn't either analog animating and it's direct digital facsimile with very minor computer aid. I mean CG is just "computer graphics" or "computer generated" of which both can apply to computer-aided animation. That's a great point and I think I think when most people think CG they think 3D CG models.So when people are talking about CG it's easy to misinterpret what they are actually referring to. marinara-sauce said: Zeroflamez said: I don't have a problem with people who don't watch Mecha Anime out of being completely uninterested in the genre. What I don't agree with is people that use inaccurate arguments about the genre as their reasoning to why they don't try watching it. Ohhh so you're what you don't like is when people take one thing they didn't like from an anime and brand every show in the genre with it. Yeah I agree that kind of thing always sucks, not only for mecha, lots of other genres have that problem too Yes, exactly. I'm all for someone to have an opinion on something, but try watching at least a few shows from the genre before you make judgement. |
ZeroflamezJan 25, 2020 10:23 PM
Zeroflamez said: ItsaNico said: Pretty sure Sunrise uses frame automation tools as does most of the industry, which I'd count as a form of CG. Key frames may be drawn by hand (via computer), but a lot of the animation and backgrounds are very much at minimum computer-aided as opposed to simply drawing with a computer. I do understand that some people think of things like Sidonia when they think CG, I look at it as CG being generally anything that isn't either analog animating and it's direct digital facsimile with very minor computer aid. I mean CG is just "computer graphics" or "computer generated" of which both can apply to computer-aided animation. That's a great point and I think I think when most people think CG they think 3D CG models.So when people are talking about CG it's easy to misinterpret what they are actually referring to. Yeah, but the thing is neither is completely wrong or right to be fair. Though a lot of the conception of what CG is in the mecha subgenre especially is based on old timers still stuck in 2003. Things like Candidate for Goddess way back when certainly did not help the reputation of computer-based animation and workflows at all lmao. |
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ItsaNico said: Zeroflamez said: That's a great point and I think I think when most people think CG they think 3D CG models.So when people are talking about CG it's easy to misinterpret what they are actually referring to. Yeah, but the thing is neither is completely wrong or right to be fair. Though a lot of the conception of what CG is in the mecha subgenre especially is based on old timers still stuck in 2003. Things like Candidate for Goddess way back when certainly did not help the reputation of computer-based animation and workflows at all lmao. I agree. The early and mid 2000's certainly didn't help the reception towards CG animated shows. A lot of trial and error back then. |
| Mecha isn't popular with western audience because it doesn't fit the self insert jesus fantasy. The western religious dogma needs a divine saviour to believe in i.e the popularity of superhero stories in the west. Eastern philosophies are about how the only one who can save you is yourself and providing the knowledge and methods to do so. The robot is just another tool to do that. Mecha is not underappreciated, its just not going to be what some people are looking for. |
Takuto_Shindou said: What about Evangelion? Watched only a bit from it than dropped it. Never understood why the people are liking it that much (well except the visuals, those were good but I hated the story and the characters.) From what I got - when you fight improbable enemies you fight them with improbable weapons. Also the terminology around those mechs was weird, sinister and symbolic. If I am not mistaking the general idea was to break the mecha fans - give them something familiar and than twist it and crank it the eleven. You must know the general mecha tropes to really get what is going on. This is like watching Madoka Magica without previous knowledge of mahou shoujo - you will ask yourself "OK, this show is cruel to little girls so what?". Takuto_Shindou said: but the entire series is a pretext to talk about teen angst and depression I am under the impression that it became that only when the money for great battle scenes ended, but never watched the entire show, this is only a rumour. Takuto_Shindou said: not robot fights You got those in any school anime, the thing is that you need some excuse for giving world destructing powers in angsty teenage hands. And you really know the main reason - Gainax wanted to draw and animate some unusual and cool looking mecha fights, give some edge to this title (that is edgy teens) and put the message "But also we know that bigger weapons don't solve big problem and mecha is stupid.". Surprisingly the resulting mess (constant changes, studio messes ect.) is beloved and regarded as classic. TTGL is practically the same but don't takes itself seriously. |
Zeroflamez said: deg said: im fine if mecha evolves from giant robots to nanomachines like Iron-man power suits the recent Ultraman anime is like that although its only popular in Japan If it evolves into that it's no longer mecha. If we are talking about Netflix's Utraman...it's actually typical takusatsu but in animated form. Same goes for SSSS.Gridman. Not much of evolution also not much of a mecha. |
alshuJan 26, 2020 8:34 AM
Fario-P said: Have you seen Digibro or something? He literally just put out a video talking about how underappreciated the mecha genre is earlier this week... Anyway, I guess you're right... I haven't even seen any mecha shows myself! Guess that's gonna change, I really need to watch stuff like Genmu Senki Leda ASAP. Maybe he watched my video instead because I actually made a similar video two weeks ago ;) |
| So many people are quick to dismiss anything mecha but chances are Code Geass, NGE or Guren Lagann are among their favorites. Those are the only mecha they've seen and they are somehow convinced everything else the genre has to offer is not worth watching. They will also tell you those three aforementioned shows are not really mecha because "they focus on the characters and not mecha so they aren't really mecha shows" This phenomenon is something I've been seeing almost daily since I started frequenting anime communities and I still can't figure out why it exists. So yes, I do think mecha is definitely underappreciated by wider anime community. |
| how about bio-mecha like on Attack on Titan lol and yep mecha is really hated to the point most do not bother watching it anymore |
deg said: Can you elaborate more on the bio-mecha stuff.All I see in AoT are 3D maneuver gears and giant masses of meat.how about bio-mecha like on Attack on Titan lol and yep mecha is really hated to the point most do not bother watching it anymore |
sonofbatmanrp13 said: deg said: Can you elaborate more on the bio-mecha stuff.All I see in AoT are 3D maneuver gears and giant masses of meat.how about bio-mecha like on Attack on Titan lol and yep mecha is really hated to the point most do not bother watching it anymore the Titan shifters think of them as piloting a biological giant robot lol |
deg said: how about bio-mecha like on Attack on Titan lol and yep mecha is really hated to the point most do not bother watching it anymore It's funny. I made that argument to AoT fans on many occasions and in most cases it felt like they got offended, upset or something by me trying to identify AoT as a mecha or at least saying it's greatly inspired by mecha like Muv-Luv (which is also funny because the mangaka himself cites Muv-Luv as one of his greatest inspirations for Attack on Titan). People really do have an irrational disdain for mecha. |
Tsarko said: deg said: how about bio-mecha like on Attack on Titan lol and yep mecha is really hated to the point most do not bother watching it anymore It's funny. I made that argument to AoT fans on many occasions and in most cases it felt like they got offended, upset or something by me trying to identify AoT as a mecha or at least saying it's greatly inspired by mecha like Muv-Luv (which is also funny because the mangaka himself cites Muv-Luv as one of his greatest inspirations for Attack on Titan). People really do have an irrational disdain for mecha. agreed i will preach it from now on that Attack on Titan is a bio-mecha lol |
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