Toilet-bound Hanako-kun
Darkdaxter said: If I may interject, the point being made is that 90% of the character designs are Loli/shotas, and therefore are more likely to appeal to people with such kinks/interests. Same as how the internet became obsessed with Judy Hopps from Zootopia for a while. That movie was marketed towards a family audience, but the character designs also drew attention from the furry community. They were no less fans of the movie, and in some senses even more devoted to the source material. I don't really see a reason for all this kink-shaming to be going on. I mean so long as everything in real life is between consenting adults, who really cares; am I right? It makes no difference in my life. It's like if people find one of your family members attractive... If other people think your sister's hot, that has absolutely nothing to do with you. It doesn't mean you agree with them. Even if you did, I honestly wouldn't care as long as you were consenting adults. People you don't like are going to like the same things as you. It's just a fact of life. They aren't a representation of the artist's feelings anymore than your own. I mean generally speaking, even in the presence of excessive fan-service, people aren't setting out to make porn unless they are explicitly making porn. The primary goal is still to entertain rather than satiate lustful fantasy. I honestly think this anime is pretty bad, and my post was originally going to be how this fails as a decent shoujo Moe blob in my eyes... But everyone's opinion is different. It's perfectly okay for you to like this, and it's perfectly okay to like Monogotari. This is a very silly thing to rage about, and I guarantee you'll feel better if you stop worrying about the things you enjoy having some unintended nefarious reflection on your character. But yeah... Bad characters, boring plot, uncanny valley levels of cuteness, both too little and too much fan-service to keep things fun, really wanted to like this with the edgy atmosphere, but I don't. P.S. Also hate to break this to you, but thought crime is wrong. You can have thoughts and not desire to act them out in the real world. You can even have more extreme fantasies and choose to role-play them with an adult partner. Kink-shaming is bad, mmmkay You can have your personal opinion, like the other guy, but you can't force people to see the things according to your point of view. If you say that 90% of the characters are "lolis/shotas" as a fact, you are saying something that is obviously WRONG. Hanako and his twin are supposed to be around 13/14 years old, and shorty. Their character design reflects their age and peculiar characteristics very well. Unlike other male characters in this story, who are handsome and cool, they are supposed to look cute at best and without a flashy presence. Yashiro and Aoi to me look normal 15 years old on the immature looking side, but not all the female characters look like them.These 4 are the only characters that probably, according to your point of view, could fit the definition of "loli/shota", despite I disagree with you. I don't see how characters like Akane, Teru, Kou, Sakura, Natsuhiko, Tsuchigomori, Yako, etc. look "children". Seriously. You are free to have your opinion about how these characters look, but it's WRONG to say it's a FACT that they look how you are implying. This isn't a "moeblob shoujo", I never saw this series in this way. I admit this art style works way better in the manga, because I adore the black and white, and also the colored pictures have a very dark tone and atmosphere that the anime missed a bit. In this picture the only "loli character" that I see is Mirai (but more than"loli", I prefer to call her a chibi character)  Honestly I don't see how all the others, including Hanako, look lolis/shotas. This is how a moeblob show is supposed to look  If you guys can't see the difference, I don't know it. I can see it. |
removed-userApr 25, 2020 3:02 AM
| Another clear example of how this manga's art style actually is. In this picture you can clearly to say Tsuchigomori looks like a man in his 30s, Hanako a boy in the middle school. Kou is the same age as Hanako but he looks a bit more mature than him, since he is taller and more manly.  Every character has his unique looks and the body proportions fit their age. In real moeablob shows/manga ALL the characters look children. You can't say the difference between kids and adults. And if you want to force me to say that TBHK art style is the same that you see in typical REAL moeblob manga/anime, it's obvious I can't agree with you. This is like moeblob art style is:  Adults, children, all of them have the same body proportions. Finally, this manga isn't obviously "moeblob" because of its general topics and violence. Because of stuff like this: Plus, it's not obviously a shoujo, because of the general art style. The extreme detailed art style isn't what you find typically in shoujo. Usually in shoujo you don't even have some kind of background, here the level of detail both in the backgrounds and the character design is always impressive, every panel is a small piece of work:  Probably a different studio could have adapted this manga better. I hope that if a season 2 is made, they are able to adapt its general dark tone way better. |
removed-userApr 25, 2020 2:53 AM
Darkdaxter said: momoka16 said: You are taking stylized images from the manga with the adult characters in them lol. The chibi characters look very young to me, and I am including the background characters. The only chibi character in that pic is Mirai. The only adults are Yako and Tsuchigomori. Akane is 15 years old but he looks even older than his age. Hanako is 13/14 years old, he is short for his age (around 150 cm) but it's not like he should look 16 years old or 20 years old. He is actually VERY young. I would still classify this as Moe given that a very large contribution to the art style and theming strives for cuteness. Just because the other part strives for edgy horror does not exclude it from being Moe. This art style isn't moe, it's a unique mix of creepy/cute. By your logic, Elaine from Seven Deadly Sins isn't a Loli either since she's 2000 years old. I don't know that character, but what you are not able to understand is that the only ones who look very young (the Yugi twins, Aoi and Nene), well, are ACTUALLY very young, how are they supposed to look? Like JoJo characters, where teenagers look like people in their 30s? And the point was already made that the bulk of this target audience is young women, and the story heavily revolves around their romance and reverse harem tropes, so I'm not quite sure how you can say this isn't a shojo just because there are action elements. This isn't a reverse harem. There are only two guys interested in the female protagonist, how can you call this "harem"? At the beginning Hanako wasn't even in love with Yashiro, but you can't know it, obviously, since you don't read the manga. His flirting with her had nothing to do with romance. And this isn't obviously a shoujo since it's different from a shoujo manga under many points of view. And I explicitly stated that not everyone is going to agree with my opinion. I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that I'm forcing mine on anyone when I said it was fine for you to disagree. You should avoid expressions that make you sound how you are saying some facts. Just because they aren't quite as exaggerated as some shows, does not mean that other characters like Kaede in Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Senpai don't fall in that category. Again with these random comparisons with show that have an actual plain, common and generic moe art style, that doesn't fit TBHK. It was part of the character design for a reason (cuteness). If you ask me, the vast majority of objects, settings, and background characters that aren't an infected monster to kill are drawn in a very cutesy style. And even when gothic themes are introduced a part of that still shines through. Excluding the two adult apparitions, the majority of the main cast look extremely young. False, the majority of the main cast doesn't look extremely young, despite ALL of them are ACTUALLY very young, so it's not like they must look in their 20s. Sure the exorcist has a somewhat older face, but his body is just like the male leads. Are you serious? You are saying that Kou's body is like Hanako's body?  Despite both of them are very young (they are still middle school kids), Kou is way taller and also bulkier than Hanako. You are simply in denial at this point. Are you telling me that all these guys have the same body?  Maybe you didn't understand that Hanako is supposed to be a shorty for narrative reasons...he isn't Nene's type. Nene likes tall guys and the show/manga is full of them. Hanako is a SHORTY and this is something that is repeated and showed all the time in the manga/anime. He is the only one to be that short, so you can't say ALL the male characters are like him. Really her two older crushes are the only ones who look like actual teenagers. The rest look like preteens at best, when they aren't completely chibi caricatures. Absolutely false, how I showed you. Hanako (and his twin) are the only short guys. This just seems like a show to introduce a lot of teenage girls to anime to me, interspersing darker bits to make it look more edgy and mature. I am not a teenager, and I like this manga because it's well written. Simply this. P.S. Let's not forget that in the OP 7th Wonder is being molested by his twin brother. Can't imagine why that would draw such people in lol That scene isn't pure fanservice, since it's also a cover in a manga's chapter that suggests the possible abusive relationship between Hanako and his brother. EDIT: I added more pics, so look at all of them, please. Thanks. |
removed-userApr 28, 2020 2:09 AM
Finally, I can't believe I must show how a shoujo manga is supposed to look: Bubbles everywhere, poor backgrounds, etc. Also the system of panels is very typical and different from the ones that you see in shounen manga. Usually, shoujo manga don't have the level of detail and system of panels that you find in TBHK: |
momoka16 said: Finally, I can't believe I must show how a shoujo manga is supposed to look: Bubbles everywhere, poor backgrounds, etc. Also the system of panels is very typical and different from the ones that you see in shounen manga. Usually, shoujo manga don't have the level of detail and system of panels that you find in TBHK: This whole time I've been talking about the anime lol. You can keep defending the manga if you want. My point was that Kaede fits the Loli trope. Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions and take everything so personally. For example I never said or even alluded to you being a teenager, just that this is probably a gateway anime for a lot of them, same as Naruto was for little boys. I did actually finish this anime, and I understood its story. I hate to break this to you, but most fan-service is not just for the sake of fan-service. Most of the time those types of things are worked into the plot/characters somehow. That doesn't get rid of the fact that it's something fans want to see. Every character doesn't have to be into her for there to be reverse harem tropes. That's why I said there were merely traits of it. And there doesn't need to be love involved anyway. I really don't know what you have against the idea of a piece of media having more than one genre, not fitting squarely into one, or borrowing from a few. I don't see how it's wrong to state that. It's funny that you keep demanding things of me and others too. Ah to be young again. Have you ever seen Princess Tutu? It's a much better version of this in my opinion. Plenty of gothic themes and a more intricate style as well. It's older, so a lot of people find it pretty dated, but it's a show that I really liked. If you like this, I suggest you give it a try. So yeah... That's one that contradicts you. Well have fun obsessing over labels. This is the best screen cap I can find atm, since most are just character shots. But the further on you go, the more abstract stuff is thrown in. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/07/8e/4a078e30271b25f1f08fa1d2d188ff6e.png I forgot how refreshing it was to be talked down to through internet screeds. I mean I generally try to avoid doing that even when I disagree with people, but whatever floats your boat. You gave me a good chuckle thanks. Have a nice day. |
DarkdaxterApr 28, 2020 3:06 AM
Darkdaxter said: momoka16 said: Finally, I can't believe I must show how a shoujo manga is supposed to look: Bubbles everywhere, poor backgrounds, etc. Also the system of panels is very typical and different from the ones that you see in shounen manga. Usually, shoujo manga don't have the level of detail and system of panels that you find in TBHK: Have you ever seen Princess Tutu? It's a much better version of this in my opinion. Plenty of gothic themes and a more intricate style as well. It's older, so a lot of people find it pretty dated, but it's a show that I really liked. If you like this, I suggest you give it a try. So yeah... That's one that contradicts you. Well have fun obsessing over labels. This is the best screen cap I can find atm, since most are just character shots. But the further on you go, the more abstract stuff is thrown in. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/07/8e/4a078e30271b25f1f08fa1d2d188ff6e.png How can you say that Princess Tutu is better than TBHK if you didn't read it? Your attitude is hilarious. |
| @Darkdaxter: sorry, but at this point is really absurd for you trying to tell me why I should like some other anime/manga better than this. Unlike you, I know this story and I know why I am interested in it. It's because we have sudden plot twists like this one (DON'T READ if you could be a bit interested in this manga): And this is ONLY one of the tons of mysteries about this manga that make it so unpredictable and exciting to me. Many things are NOT like they seem. I don't mean to make you interested in this manga, but I am tired of people like you that try to tell that the ones who love this manga find it nice just because the art style is cute. If you don't know the story, you can't know what many readers find interesting in it. |
removed-userApr 28, 2020 3:55 AM
| I honestly believe this show to be overrated. The art and theme was nice but the comedy and characters were weak. The first few episodes were ok but it just got more boring the more i watched. It's probably just not for me. |
 「 To other people, I might not have changed at all, but I feel like I was able to change... 」 |
| Probably the 'Toilet' in the English title. At least that's what kept me from watching it for so long. |
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