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Jan 19, 2020 6:07 PM
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Didn't see any discussion, so I figured I'll make one since I live here.

Thousands of pro-gun rights protestors are expected to demonstrate in front of the Capitol building on Monday, and officials have learned of “credible” threats to public safety from out-of-state militias and hate groups.

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam issued an executive order declaring a state of emergency on Wednesday, and has banned all fire arms and weapons from the Capitol grounds starting Friday and ending Tuesday. (The state’s General Assembly had banned weapons inside Capitol buildings on Jan. 10) A judge upheld the executive order on Thursday, and on Friday gun rights groups filed an emergency appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court. The court upheld Northam’s executive order in a Friday evening decision.


https://time.com/5767354/what-to-know-about-the-pro-gun-rally-richmond/

Don't these people realize Charlottesville & this are EXACTLY why so many Virginians want gun control? Your not exactly changing my mind with these murder plots the FBI is apparently discovering.

Don't suppose you guys could explain to me why we have so many non-Virginians bieng so invested in our laws?
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Tap_Dancin_Kaiju said:
Your not exactly changing my mind with these murder plots the FBI is apparently discovering.
Aye, feds are so good at making discovering terrorist schemes. I wonder how they do it.
Jan 19, 2020 6:59 PM
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I'm just curious if anything would happen or nothing at all.
Jan 19, 2020 7:21 PM
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All this was ignited around a shitty statue in a depressive town. Pathetic...
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Jan 19, 2020 7:29 PM
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I will not state any sort of opinion on this but I will just come by and drop something I found.




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Jan 19, 2020 9:07 PM
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I will not state any sort of opinion on this but I will just come by and drop something I found.


A different location at a different time..
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These people are tripping balls trying to reach. Charlottesville didn't involve firearms it was a Dodge Charger assault vehicle. Which spawned the Dodge Demon. The official car of the alt-right.



I doubt anyone was attempting to protest/rally in full tactical gear anyways. They are just terrified a counter group will show up (antifa) and the police will be forced to intervene between guns rights activist (which implies being armed) and antifa.
If the counter protesters want to bus in outside agitators then the other side can do the same. Because...

But the local Antifa chapter and other left-wing groups indicated they intended to march with the pro-gun protesters, rather than against them - seemingly reducing the likelihood of violent clashes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51170252

As far as that goes I will believe it when I see it.
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Jan 20, 2020 2:19 AM
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I read that they shat themselves and gave in on the AR15 ban, so much for not giving in to terrorists.
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With dozens of Virginia counties declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, some Democratic lawmakers have said the governor should use the National Guard to enforce future gun control legislation — but can he?

Virginia Democrats, who control the legislature and governorship, have proposed several measures, including an “assault weapons” ban, universal background checks, and a red flag law. In response, 75 counties vowed they will not enforce future gun control legislation. Virginia Democratic Rep. Donald McEachin told the Washington Examiner on Thursday that Gov. Ralph Northam “may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law” if local authorities refuse to do so themselves.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/yes-virginia-the-governor-really-can-use-the-national-guard-to-enforce-gun-control

Only the US would create 2nd Amendment no go zones. If this is true, there are 95 counties in Virginia. This is just short of open revolt.
Good luck with that nationalizing of the National Guard Donald McEachin.

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How this is being handled not to mention the fears that somebody would try to do anything bad there are completely ridiculous. A crowd of thousands of armed gun enthusiasts would actually be just about one of the safest places I could think of lol I mean come on that is the last place on earth anybody would think of committing a crime. It's like when that guy who tried to shoot up a catholic church...in TEXAS. It was over in literally three seconds lol multiple people immediately started firing back at him.

True enough. I know plenty of gun enthusiasts and they are some of the strictest people in the world when it comes to safety and discipline. I blame hijackers ruining their message rather than the gun owners for the hysteria.
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I'm just curious if anything would happen or nothing at all.
Slightly rowdy despite 70% of everyone showing up with a gun. Just put it in the same folder as the "Joker will cause mass shootings" frenzy lol
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Tap_Dancin_Kaiju said:
Kyotosomo said:
How this is being handled not to mention the fears that somebody would try to do anything bad there are completely ridiculous. A crowd of thousands of armed gun enthusiasts would actually be just about one of the safest places I could think of lol I mean come on that is the last place on earth anybody would think of committing a crime. It's like when that guy who tried to shoot up a catholic church...in TEXAS. It was over in literally three seconds lol multiple people immediately started firing back at him.

True enough. I know plenty of gun enthusiasts and they are some of the strictest people in the world when it comes to safety and discipline. I blame hijackers ruining their message rather than the gun owners for the hysteria.
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I'm just curious if anything would happen or nothing at all.
Slightly rowdy despite 70% of everyone showing up with a gun. Just put it in the same folder as the "Joker will cause mass shootings" frenzy lol

And yet the Rally went actually pretty well.
No violence (or almost no violence) or any other disruption. So in other words the rally went quite peacefully.

But sadly there were also alt right asshats that came there purely in the hopes of highjacking it and media outkeds used them just to smear the entire rally despite....
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protesting their guns being "taken away"... when they can have guns, yall got guns, nobody is taken away, the nra has a massive lobby to ensure they can keep paying off lawmakers so you can keep your fucking thousand guns,, shut the fuck up, you fucking pricks

they must be those obese hicks who think they can form a "militia" and overthrow the govt
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they must be those obese hicks who think they can form a "militia" and overthrow the govt

It happened once actually. The Wilmington insurrection of 1898.
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PATHETIC idiots who are sooo gun obsessed and LITERALLY think that if one day the government becomes tyrannical their guns can withstand the fucking U.S MILITARY can easily annihilate their ass before they knew what was going on!

Americans are too fucking stupid for their own good.

The gun culture in this country is embarrassing and thousands of innocent people will continue to die every single year, and these retards will still question why it happens.
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PATHETIC idiots who are sooo gun obsessed and LITERALLY think that if one day the government becomes tyrannical their guns can withstand the fucking U.S MILITARY can easily annihilate their ass before they knew what was going on!

Americans are too fucking stupid for their own good.

The gun culture in this country is embarrassing and thousands of innocent people will continue to die every single year, and these retards will still question why it happens.


I mean we allow the killing of babies so either way it looks bad on both sides.
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BlakexEkalb said:
--ALEX-- said:
PATHETIC idiots who are sooo gun obsessed and LITERALLY think that if one day the government becomes tyrannical their guns can withstand the fucking U.S MILITARY can easily annihilate their ass before they knew what was going on!

Americans are too fucking stupid for their own good.

The gun culture in this country is embarrassing and thousands of innocent people will continue to die every single year, and these retards will still question why it happens.


I mean we allow the killing of babies so either way it looks bad on both sides.

"killing of babies".....you mean abortion?

And you mean zygotes not "babies".

Also, you forgot that the entire first world also allows abortion, not just the U.S.
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--ALEX-- said:
BlakexEkalb said:


I mean we allow the killing of babies so either way it looks bad on both sides.

"killing of babies".....you mean abortion?

And you mean zygotes not "babies".

Also, you forgot that the entire first world also allows abortion, not just the U.S.


Ah well the entire world is pretty screwed over again then, huh? Then again what’s new.
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Most of the time the people involved in the shootings have a legal right to own the guns.
They also plan these shootings well in advance.

I don't see how more regulation would stop a formerly law abiding citizen from carrying out a massacre.
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Good for Virginians standing up for their 2nd amendment rights and protesting these assholes in office trying to infringe on the 2nd amendment. I am glad pro-2nd amendment groups like the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation and many others exist.
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at least nobody has gotten shot so far.
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Guns should be banned...period!

I don’t give a fuck anymore, there is ZERO reason to own a in the modern times we live.

And FUCK this “tyrannical government” argument...mother fucker, the U.S has the most deadliest military in existence...your retarded guns will do NOTHING if the government ever became tyrannical.

A BIG FUCK YOU to the 2nd Ammendment!!

Millions of innocent lives lost due to bullshit “gun rights”.
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--ALEX-- said:
Guns should be banned...period!

I don’t give a fuck anymore, there is ZERO reason to own a in the modern times we live.

And FUCK this “tyrannical government” argument...mother fucker, the U.S has the most deadliest military in existence...your retarded guns will do NOTHING if the government ever became tyrannical.

A BIG FUCK YOU to the 2nd Ammendment!!

Millions of innocent lives lost due to bullshit “gun rights”.


¡Ayayay! ...a nerve has been stricken. LMAO

Yes, the mightiest bar none; and we -Active Duty, National Guard, Reserve, and Veterans- all solemnly swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Reevaluate your perceived allies, champ.

Ok...so your argument just makes MY argument even stronger.

IF all members of the military would defend the constitution even against the government itself...

Then why the fuck does the general population need guns?!

No matter how you cut it...guns are NOT needed.

The government is NOT going to turn tyrannical because the military would stop them...so we’re safe.

And on the other side, IF the government DOES turn tyrannical and the military joins them...then your guns are WORTHLESS against the most advanced military in the history of humanity!

Or do you think your precious guns will save you from a tank? RPGs? Missiles?

Japan has a FULL ban on guns on civilians...how’s that going for them?

Oh right, they don’t have a mass shooting every day like America does...they are probably the most peaceful society on this planet.
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Japan has a FULL ban on guns on civilians...how’s that going for them?


You missing fact, they also have legal loli porn. You can't exactly compare USA have guns - bad, Japan don't good. Try to give Americans loli bobies, high school girls boobies. Then check what's going on.
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shirakawa_megumi said:
--ALEX-- said:

Japan has a FULL ban on guns on civilians...how’s that going for them?


You missing fact, they also have legal loli porn. You can't exactly compare USA have guns - bad, Japan don't good. Try to give Americans loli bobies, high school girls boobies. Then check what's going on.


I see you are a man of culture as well.

Lol at people thinking if they just ban all the guns like Japan has that we will be like them. Japan would have a tiny crime rate regardless of whether guns are legal or not because Japanese people just aren't nearly as prone to committing crimes as Americans are. Liberals seem to think the only way to reduce crime is to remove tools instead of addressing the root cause. But, as we all know, pretty much anything can become a weapon. Ban guns, and the same nutjobs will just start poisoning people, setting buildings on fire, or creating bombs.
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shirakawa_megumi said:
--ALEX-- said:

Japan has a FULL ban on guns on civilians...how’s that going for them?


You missing fact, they also have legal loli porn. You can't exactly compare USA have guns - bad, Japan don't good. Try to give Americans loli bobies, high school girls boobies. Then check what's going on.

But that's legal in the US too. It's part of freedom of expression. There is only a few exceptions to that. Anyway your logic makes no sense. Those two things aren't even remotely related.


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Lol at people thinking if they just ban all the guns like Japan has that we will be like them. Japan would have a tiny crime rate regardless of whether guns are legal or not because Japanese people just aren't nearly as prone to committing crimes as Americans are. Liberals seem to think the only way to reduce crime is to remove tools instead of addressing the root cause. But, as we all know, pretty much anything can become a weapon. Ban guns, and the same nutjobs will just start poisoning people, setting buildings on fire, or creating bombs.


I've probably already told you before Tokyo police have been strongly suspected to falsify crime reports to keep numbers artificially low to make the public feel safe. Japanese honour/shame culture and their culture of minding their own business also makes it so crimes that took place being reported is lower. Also in the not so long ago past Yakuza had ties to the government and of course many of their crimes would go unpunished as result. Oh yeah and it also isn't uncommon for any gangs to threaten people if turning any one of them in to kill them or their whole family.
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traed said:
shirakawa_megumi said:


You missing fact, they also have legal loli porn. You can't exactly compare USA have guns - bad, Japan don't good. Try to give Americans loli bobies, high school girls boobies. Then check what's going on.

But that's legal in the US too. It's part of freedom of expression. There is only a few exceptions to that. Anyway your logic makes no sense. Those two things aren't even remotely related.


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Lol at people thinking if they just ban all the guns like Japan has that we will be like them. Japan would have a tiny crime rate regardless of whether guns are legal or not because Japanese people just aren't nearly as prone to committing crimes as Americans are. Liberals seem to think the only way to reduce crime is to remove tools instead of addressing the root cause. But, as we all know, pretty much anything can become a weapon. Ban guns, and the same nutjobs will just start poisoning people, setting buildings on fire, or creating bombs.


I've probably already told you before Tokyo police have been strongly suspected to falsify crime reports to keep numbers artificially low to make the public feel safe. Japanese honour/shame culture and their culture of minding their own business also makes it so crimes that took place being reported is lower. Also in the not so long ago past Yakuza had ties to the government and of course many of their crimes would go unpunished as result. Oh yeah and it also isn't uncommon for any gangs to threaten people if turning any one of them in to kill them or their whole family.


Bro c'mon that's bullshit and you know it. Try walking down the street in a poor area of Tokyo and then walk down the street in a shitty part of London or Paris and talk to me about "falsifying crime stats." Elderly people walk around Japanese cities and towns at all hours of the night in any neighborhood they want and its perfectly safe because street crime is virtually non-existent in Japan. Now I've been to several cities even in Europe where it is significantly safer than the United States, and I've still seen neighborhoods I wouldn't want to be walking around at night in.

If there even is any falsifying going on, which I quite frankly don't believe, it probably only changes the property crimes a bit. I can say with strong certainty though that there's no major cover-up of violent crime going on under people's noses.
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Bro c'mon that's bullshit and you know it. Try walking down the street in a poor area of Tokyo and then walk down the street in a shitty part of London or Paris and talk to me about "falsifying crime stats." Elderly people walk around Japanese cities and towns at all hours of the night in any neighborhood they want and its perfectly safe because street crime is virtually non-existent in Japan. Now I've been to several cities even in Europe where it is significantly safer than the United States, and I've still seen neighborhoods I wouldn't want to be walking around at night in.


No one can accurately compare an ethnically homogeneous country like Japan that is an actual nation-state and doesn't just profess in the 21st century a state ideology of civic nationalism, "citizenship-based" national identity/passportism and multiculturalism which is the norm in the settler countries of the New World from North America to Australia and increasingly many parts of post-WWII Europe under U.S. influence.

The U.S. is a country, but it isn't a nation-state in the same way as an ethnostate like Japan. And a lot of neoliberal fanatics want to promote a bunch of propaganda in every business editorial around the globe about Japan's low birth rate, aging population, "Japan is dying!" overhyped sensationalism to convince them to follow the Western model, expand work visas, and ultimately with the end goal of creating a more laissez-faire, open borders regime. If Japan wants to avoid a tidal wave of crime, Tokyo would do best to ignore these pleas whenever and wherever they rear their head.

You can also see the stark difference in the response of ordinary civilians on the ground to the 2005 Hurricane Katrina natural disaster in New Orleans, U.S. and the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami natural disaster. As far as looting galore. The U.S. is filled with people who don't even identify with being part of the same culture, community, or country and increasingly don't even speak the same language any more. And perception of being forced to compete for resources like jobs and services with out-groups builds animosity and foments unrest every time. One needn't even look to East Asia. It's like comparing American urban ghettoes to places like Finland and the Baltic republics.
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Lol at people thinking if they just ban all the guns like Japan has that we will be like them. Japan would have a tiny crime rate regardless of whether guns are legal or not because Japanese people just aren't nearly as prone to committing crimes as Americans are. Liberals seem to think the only way to reduce crime is to remove tools instead of addressing the root cause. But, as we all know, pretty much anything can become a weapon. Ban guns, and the same nutjobs will just start poisoning people, setting buildings on fire, or creating bombs.

That wasn't necessarily my argument.

I'm fully aware culture has a lot to do with crime and whatnot.

BUT....guess what?

If you took EVERY gun away from America....it would literally be impossible to have mass shootings.

And I really don't want to hear we'd have "Mass stabbings" or other retarded arguments as that.

Besides....I'd take my chance against a dude with a knife, than a dude with a rifle.

My chances of survival are much higher with the former.
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Ryuk9428 said:
Lol at people thinking if they just ban all the guns like Japan has that we will be like them. Japan would have a tiny crime rate regardless of whether guns are legal or not because Japanese people just aren't nearly as prone to committing crimes as Americans are. Liberals seem to think the only way to reduce crime is to remove tools instead of addressing the root cause. But, as we all know, pretty much anything can become a weapon. Ban guns, and the same nutjobs will just start poisoning people, setting buildings on fire, or creating bombs.

That wasn't necessarily my argument.

I'm fully aware culture has a lot to do with crime and whatnot.

BUT....guess what?

If you took EVERY gun away from America....it would literally be impossible to have mass shootings.

And I really don't want to hear we'd have "Mass stabbings" or other retarded arguments as that.

Besides....I'd take my chance against a dude with a knife, than a dude with a rifle.

My chances of survival are much higher with the former.


Oh trust me, mass stabbings are the least of your worries if guns are banned. I agree, knives are nowhere near as dangerous as AR-15s.

But tell me this, would you rather go up against a guy with an AR-15, or would you rather be in a situation where the entire water supply of your neighborhood has been poisoned and you didn't even know it? An AR-15, or a guy who has made a homemade bomb and is blowing up your school? An AR-15, or a guy who has set the entire building you are in on fire? An AR-15, or an insane pilot who has just decided to crash the plane with you and everybody else on it?

Not many people know it, but China has a pretty big problem with rampage killers as well (not as bad as America's though), and these are the kind of things they do. Four different rampage killers in China have managed to kill over a 100 people with tactics such as these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(other_incidents_in_China)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_in_China

I'd rather the rampage killers just use guns than having to deal with the threat of bombs in public places or mass poisonings, a lot of the other things rampage killers can do are stuff you'll never see coming. At least a guy with a gun is something you can prepare for.

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I've thought the exact same thing. US citizens have become extremely competitive towards each other to the point where I believe a lot of Americans would be perfectly willing to help a foreign power remove another American they thought was competition or an obstacle to them.

I think the primary root cause of all the crime in America, is the fact that so many Americans see each other as enemies. Because of how hyper-competitive our society has become, a lot of Americans believe someone or some group of people is standing in the way of their success and they come to hate them. The rampage killer problem is essentially people who have abandoned all hope of living a normal life and just decide to kill as many of whatever group they think is responsible for their misery as possible.

That's why I think a lot of people want the solution to just be "ban the guns." Because banning guns is a much more simple solution than trying to fix the fact that our hyper-competitive ethics/norms have turned so many Americans against each other to the point where it is fueling violent hatred. The problem with banning guns is that its just putting a band-aid on the wound and ignoring the fact that there's a much more serious issue festering underneath that we are ignoring. The competitiveness that I mention is honestly way more engrained in our culture than guns are. I think convincing people to ban guns would be way way way easier than trying to convince people that we've got to fundamentally change the way we treat each other.

But if people really want the gangs, the domestic violence, and the rampage killers to stop (be significantly reduced), that's the only way to do it. Banning guns will not solve the problem. Japan's ability to dodge these issues which plague the US is not because they banned guns, but because there's little to no hatred and animosity in their society towards one another.
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this is why we can never have a proper disscussion about is, because one side is "ban them completely!!! REEEEEE!!" the other side is "NO gun control REEEEEE!!"

and here i am just wanting the same level of security for guns that we have for cars

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japan being a "ethnostate" is a myth. they have a population of europeans and blacks not to mention koreans and chineses. aslso the Ainu. They also have multiple different religious just like the U.S while chrsitanity is in the minority in japan you still have churches there. not to mention Taoism, Shintoism and Buddhism and all there different variants still exist in japan. and before you try to pull the "oh but those religious are so similar." strawman. let me point out that so are the abrahamic religions which by the way encompasses Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.


you've been drinking the alt-reachade if you think japan is anywhere close to "ethnostate." status.



@Ryuk9428

had a better point then you.

america culture is made to be super competitive. like EXTREMELY competitive.

it's not a matter of race, but any america regardless of what race they are love to compete over things.

you can see it by how much we will argue in politics and even over who gets x seat in theaters.

even in competitive games american players tend to spend most the time fighting and competing against there own team then cooperating.

however that being said

little to no hatred and animosity in their society towards one another.
Not actually true social bullying is a big problem in japan.


people really need to stop looking at japan through the lenses of the weeb and actually do research on it. because it's not a paradise.


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this is why we can never have a proper disscussion about is, because one side is "ban them completely!!! REEEEEE!!"

For years I was always saying “we need sensible gun control, more background check, etc, etc.”

Now I KNOW I was delusional because the United States government is NOT made up of politicians who represent the people.

The U.S government is made up of CORRUPT politicians who represent their DONORS!

And no one donates more money than the NRA.

We will NEVER get anything done unless by some miracle we get rid of the way the U.S government currently works.

The biggest irony is that Gun nuts are ALWAYS talking about how they need guns because one day the U.S government might become tyrannical...

The U.S government is ALREADY tyrannical!

Think about it...the U.S government does NOT represent the people, they do as they please around the world, including starting illegal wars, torture, coup d’etas, and other SHADY business that no other government would get away with...we have a president that is serial criminal and his party will LITERALLY let him get away with it because they do NOT care about the country, only their political careers!

People think UNLESS we have government like the one presented in “1984” then it’s ok...and it’s NOT!

Hell...the U.S government spies on its own citizens already...thanks to Snowden we know they do all types of shit against their own people.

So...all you gun idiots...guess what? Your retarded guns did NOTHING against a government that is HIGHLY corrupt, does not represent you, SPIES on you, tortures people, and thinks of you as nothing more than a source to get more funding for their illegal activities.

So I’m DONE pretending that “sensible gun control” is going to happen.
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japan being a "ethnostate" is a myth. they have a population of europeans and blacks not to mention koreans and chineses. aslso the Ainu. They also have multiple different religious just like the U.S while chrsitanity is in the minority in japan you still have churches there. not to mention Taoism, Shintoism and Buddhism and all there different variants still exist in japan. and before you try to pull the "oh but those religious are so similar." strawman. let me point out that so are the abrahamic religions which by the way encompasses Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.


It is not a myth. I'm well aware of the existence of minority religions and ethnic groups in Japan like those on a work visa regime, Koreans and some other East Asians, even some Brazilians, etc.. I never said it is 100% ethnic Japanese Shinto or anything of the sort as no country in the world is so pure. Even historically closed countries like Bhutan, North Korea, etc. have some foreigners living there. The differences lies in scale and percentages. You can't begin to compare it to the New World countries like the U.S., Canada, and Australia, or even countries like France and Britain in Western Europe.

And I wouldn't be lumping in an animistic religion indigenous to Japan with a borrowed Indian religion and in fact, all the Dharmic faiths. Please do not assume my arguments or speech for me beforehand based on an erroneous misconception about what you believe I do or do not know.

And there is a much different conception of nationhood and the nation-state, as well as what makes one Japanese there. One that isn't rooted in ethnically blind patriotism/civic identity/passport nationalism like many modern Western countries. In many cases ethnic foreigners are still seen as foreign gaijin, including even Koreans who are just about the closest likely blood cousins to the Yamato there are. Even ethnic Japanese born in Japan who speak Japanese fluently and as their native language are sometimes perceived as too foreign or coming under undue foreign influence after becoming bilingual or returning from a long career stint abroad.
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this is why we can never have a proper disscussion about is, because one side is "ban them completely!!! REEEEEE!!" the other side is "NO gun control REEEEEE!!"

and here i am just wanting the same level of security for guns that we have for cars

@WatchTillTandava

japan being a "ethnostate" is a myth. they have a population of europeans and blacks not to mention koreans and chineses. aslso the Ainu. They also have multiple different religious just like the U.S while chrsitanity is in the minority in japan you still have churches there. not to mention Taoism, Shintoism and Buddhism and all there different variants still exist in japan. and before you try to pull the "oh but those religious are so similar." strawman. let me point out that so are the abrahamic religions which by the way encompasses Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.


you've been drinking the alt-reachade if you think japan is anywhere close to "ethnostate." status.



@Ryuk9428

had a better point then you.

america culture is made to be super competitive. like EXTREMELY competitive.

it's not a matter of race, but any america regardless of what race they are love to compete over things.

you can see it by how much we will argue in politics and even over who gets x seat in theaters.

even in competitive games american players tend to spend most the time fighting and competing against there own team then cooperating.

however that being said

little to no hatred and animosity in their society towards one another.
Not actually true social bullying is a big problem in japan.


people really need to stop looking at japan through the lenses of the weeb and actually do research on it. because it's not a paradise.




I have done research on it.

Bullying is definitely nowhere near as bad in Japan as it in the US, France, Germany, the UK, or pretty much any of the countries studied by OCED.

Bullying affects 30 out of 1,000 students in Japan, or exactly 3%. In both the US and the UK, it affects 1 out of 5, or 20%. So we have almost seven times more bullying than they do. In France, about 12% of students are bullied each year and in Germany it is 16%. The OCED average among countries studied for bullying is 18.7%.

Not only that, but almost 80% of the bullying cases at Japanese schools were primary school students. Out of about 400,000 bullying cases studied by the Japanese schools, 310,000 involved primary school students, 80,000 involved junior high students, and 14,000 involved high school students.
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this is why we can never have a proper disscussion about is, because one side is "ban them completely!!! REEEEEE!!" the other side is "NO gun control REEEEEE!!"

and here i am just wanting the same level of security for guns that we have for cars

@WatchTillTandava

japan being a "ethnostate" is a myth. they have a population of europeans and blacks not to mention koreans and chineses. aslso the Ainu. They also have multiple different religious just like the U.S while chrsitanity is in the minority in japan you still have churches there. not to mention Taoism, Shintoism and Buddhism and all there different variants still exist in japan. and before you try to pull the "oh but those religious are so similar." strawman. let me point out that so are the abrahamic religions which by the way encompasses Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.


you've been drinking the alt-reachade if you think japan is anywhere close to "ethnostate." status.



@Ryuk9428

had a better point then you.

america culture is made to be super competitive. like EXTREMELY competitive.

it's not a matter of race, but any america regardless of what race they are love to compete over things.

you can see it by how much we will argue in politics and even over who gets x seat in theaters.

even in competitive games american players tend to spend most the time fighting and competing against there own team then cooperating.

however that being said

Not actually true social bullying is a big problem in japan.


people really need to stop looking at japan through the lenses of the weeb and actually do research on it. because it's not a paradise.




I have done research on it.

Bullying is definitely nowhere near as bad in Japan as it in the US, France, Germany, the UK, or pretty much any of the countries studied by OCED.

Bullying affects 30 out of 1,000 students in Japan, or exactly 3%. In both the US and the UK, it affects 1 out of 5, or 20%. So we have almost seven times more bullying than they do. In France, about 12% of students are bullied each year and in Germany it is 16%. The OCED average among countries studied for bullying is 18.7%.

Not only that, but almost 80% of the bullying cases at Japanese schools were primary school students. Out of about 400,000 bullying cases studied by the Japanese schools, 310,000 involved primary school students, 80,000 involved junior high students, and 14,000 involved high school students.


i said social bullying not school bullying

you make it sound like it can only happen in a school setting.

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hazarddex said:
Ryuk9428 said:


I have done research on it.

Bullying is definitely nowhere near as bad in Japan as it in the US, France, Germany, the UK, or pretty much any of the countries studied by OCED.

Bullying affects 30 out of 1,000 students in Japan, or exactly 3%. In both the US and the UK, it affects 1 out of 5, or 20%. So we have almost seven times more bullying than they do. In France, about 12% of students are bullied each year and in Germany it is 16%. The OCED average among countries studied for bullying is 18.7%.

Not only that, but almost 80% of the bullying cases at Japanese schools were primary school students. Out of about 400,000 bullying cases studied by the Japanese schools, 310,000 involved primary school students, 80,000 involved junior high students, and 14,000 involved high school students.


i said social bullying not school bullying

you make it sound like it can only happen in a school setting.



If you say bullying, most people are going to think of the school context. "Social" bullying is not a very specific term. I thought you just meant verbal and passive aggressive forms of bullying instead of physical bullying.

But yeah, looking it up it says 37.5% of Japanese employees have experienced bullying in the workplace and only 27% of American employees did, so it is a decent bit worse there.

Still though, it seems to me like almost all of Japan's major problems can be linked specifically back to office life. Office life and not enough housing space. The overwork phenomenon, the suicide rates, and the workplace bullying are all primarily linked to office problems. To be fair though, Japan has been doing a lot to address these issues lately. A number of labor reform bills were passed last year to address power harassment and excessively long working hours.
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