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Jan 18, 5:21 AM
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Can someone explain to me what exactly all those things everyone said to hinata actually meant? Like all the things Hinata was thinking about when his head was between the mats? Like from what I understand, everyone is telling him it's fine how he is as he has Kageyama to set him up and that is enough for Karasuno to do well, but Hinata wants to stop becoming reliant on Kageyama and that's why he went to this camp? I just want it cleared up because i like knowing exactly what's going on and idk if its just me but sometimes I get confused by all the metaphors used to explain everything lol. Like I though Tsukki was kinda harsh on him ngl but Idk if there was some other meaning to what he said.
 
Jan 18, 5:52 AM
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tbh it wasnt that entertaining of an episode but it was okay (hinata as a ball boy is cringy and funny at the same time tho)

 
Jan 18, 6:14 AM

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Oh boi, he's actually doing a ball boy's work. That feel awful probably more than I imagined.
 
Jan 18, 7:26 AM
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IMustBeNumb said:
tbh it wasnt that entertaining of an episode but it was okay (hinata as a ball boy is cringy and funny at the same time tho)



What part of it that made u cringy?
And what part of it that u think its funny?
Genuinely curious,is ballboy position really bad?

Coz hinata himself isnt feeling happy throughout the ep in the situation he is in,he feels terrible n keep on wanting to apologize to people around for what he did .almost tearing up few times at that.
there's no ego, just pure determination taking the opportunity on the position he is at now

This is honestly hinata's lowest point yet throughout the show n haikyuu does a great job on building up hinata's character growth that will be worth it on future eps
 
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icwinner said:
IMustBeNumb said:
tbh it wasnt that entertaining of an episode but it was okay (hinata as a ball boy is cringy and funny at the same time tho)



What part of it that made u cringy?
And what part of it that u think its funny?
Genuinely curious,is ballboy position really bad?

Coz hinata himself isnt feeling happy throughout the ep in the situation he is in,he feels terrible n keep on wanting to apologize to people around for what he did .almost tearing up few times at that.
there's no ego, just pure determination taking the opportunity on the position he is at now

This is honestly hinata's lowest point yet throughout the show n haikyuu does a great job on building up hinata's character growth that will be worth it on future eps


i mean i play volleyball as well im on a team...being ballboy isnt anything that bad they make it look frustrating and sad which it clearly isnt,also it was his choice being in that position so he shouldn't take it that harshley. On another note it was funny seing him react and interact with others and on somepoints cringy (ik its anime and maybe my answer was too literal)
 
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How nice of Tsutomu to panic over Hinata when he finds out his head stuck and do nothing! He didn't give a damn and turned away. I was pretty surprised at that reaction :/

I think Hinata realized the propose of being there. Now to wait for next week... Overall, it was a great episode :)
 
Jan 18, 8:09 AM

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they should animate how later goshiki got curious what's under hinata's mattress sandwich moment.
 
Jan 18, 8:22 AM
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can't wait to see hinata's growth. i don't get why people don't like the frustration he's feeling??? he's a fourteen year old boy c'mon.

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Jan 18, 8:42 AM

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This episode seriously felt like two minutes XD
And yes after rewatching the new episodes, I now like the art style and animation a lot more!! (Still really curious about how different the upcoming matches are going to be animated)
Can't wait for next week!!!
 
Jan 18, 10:57 AM
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haikyuu feels the same from episode 1 to all the way up to here
the continuity it has is just amazing
 
Jan 18, 12:28 PM

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3 seasons have passed and I still can't bring myself to like Tsukishima -.-

Anyways, another good episode overall. Sure it's "odd" to see Hinata acting this lost but I'm sure the payoff we will receive from his character arc will be quite fulfilling in the end. So far, I'm really liking how they are handling the transition so I expect great things in the upcoming eps.

 
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I honestly can't describe with words how good Haikyuu is, something I forgot during the 3 years its been away from us.

10/10 episode without our main characters even getting to play, that's how good this is.
 
Jan 18, 2:32 PM

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feel bad for Hinata, he has been treated like a loser, but that experience, as harsh as it may be, will surely help him grow even more
 
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FuMomo-kun said:
I don't know why, but this season is feeling unbearably underwhelming. Was Haikyuu always this bad or did this season just drop in quality? Or maybe I just got too old for this anime. Because I liked the past seasons, I will see if this gets better later. Also, what's wrong with the designs? They look embarrassing when compared with the fantastic animation.


I don't know what you're smoking or drinking, because there's arguably nothing bad in these first 2 episodes, this is a training arc before the nationals and will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. The character designs are great and closer to the actual art of the manga, production still top notch too, i'm also 3 years older than you, so nah, the problem seems more about you.
 
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thebrentinator24 said:
I felt bad for Hinata this whole episode but if there's one thing we've learned from all these seasons of Haikyuu, it's that he isn't a quitter. Judging by the end of the episode, he definitely looks like he'll come out of this situation much stronger.


yeah... he's kinda the main character.... it's evident that he's gonna get stronger no matter what.
 
Jan 18, 7:35 PM
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I don't know man. But I'm not feeling the new style of the anime. It felt like everyone became a bit less human.
The reason why I was captivated by the previous installments was the art work, but now I feel like they are going easy or they aren't putting their heart and soul into the project.
All the core team players except nishinoya went through changes and it wasn't satisfying. I felt a bit disconnected, like there someone I used to know. And the art work is cheap.
*Don't feel offended, this is just my humble opinion*


The reason for the new art style is because the studio decided to match it to the current art style of the manga so yeah. I agree it's hard to deal with. I'm 50/50 on it because it's really polished and new, but there was something about the old style that was just... idk how to explain with words, but I loved it. I think we'll have to see some of the plays in the new art style to see whether or not this new art style is excellant enough
 
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I relate to Hinata on sooooo many levels. Not just in height (i'm 148 cm btw), but in the fact that I struggle starting from the bottom and having to work my way up due to being someone who is not considered "special." It's hard having to start at the bottom of the ladder. It's hard going step by step, because it takes TIME. TIME is a horrible construct when you want to improve, to become better, to progress, to be stronger... It's hard because YOU KNOW you can reach the top, but you yourself have to go through a lot more than others because of unavoidable circumstances. It sux. And that's why I totally understand Hinata, and I think that's why so many other viewers also understand that. Because normal people aren't "special." Normal people aren't Einsteins or Edisons or 2-meter dudes. Regular people like us have to start from the bottom, and that's what's hard. It makes you impatient and it makes you hungry for more.

Gosh, this episode was just absolute amazing (like always), but this episode was just the perfect episode to display Hinata's inner struggles. The complexity of his character that we haven't seen yet. I'm excited. I can't wait to see how Hinata grows and develops. I can just feel how amazing this season is going to be!
 
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ThatsNotGaming said:

Also how is he still being criticized for his skills or height and undermined when he's already proved himself and played an important role in every game they have played so far? Just seems ridiculous.


The thing is that Hinata isn't really that good. We've gotten used to seeing him as a "weapon" in Karasuno but in reality he isn't that much. While I think he can attack fairly well without Kageyama, his skills everywhere else are mediocre at best.
In Karasuno he's a regular player because the risk of his poor skills and height are outweighed by the gain of his attacks and decoys. In most other teams, even if we take his current skills and not the ones at the beggining which would be the ones he would've had when he entered, he wouldn't even make it to reserve.
And Hinata knows that, otherwise he would've left the training camp so he could get actual practice.

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thebrentinator24 said:
I felt bad for Hinata this whole episode but if there's one thing we've learned from all these seasons of Haikyuu, it's that he isn't a quitter. Judging by the end of the episode, he definitely looks like he'll come out of this situation much stronger.

True. Hinata would rather die before quitting.
 
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Shinuki_n_Reborn said:
FuMomo-kun said:
I don't know why, but this season is feeling unbearably underwhelming. Was Haikyuu always this bad or did this season just drop in quality? Or maybe I just got too old for this anime. Because I liked the past seasons, I will see if this gets better later. Also, what's wrong with the designs? They look embarrassing when compared with the fantastic animation.


I don't know what you're smoking or drinking, because there's arguably nothing bad in these first 2 episodes, this is a training arc before the nationals and will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. The character designs are great and closer to the actual art of the manga, production still top notch too, i'm also 3 years older than you, so nah, the problem seems more about you.

True. Mr. Reborn need to Reborn again to understand this simplicity. Haikyuu is just AWESOME.
Just look a little example why it's great : Nishnoya's two screen appearance in Ep 2 both make good feeling when we are feeling low about Hinata's situation. Little balance is the great sign this this anime is surely superior than others.
 
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My poor boy Hinata it hurts me to see him like this...

that ost at the end and the vibe of the scene gave me chills 5/5
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Perlita-chan said:
Because normal people aren't "special." Normal people aren't Einsteins or Edisons or 2-meter dudes. Regular people like us have to start from the bottom, and that's what's hard. It makes you impatient and it makes you hungry for more.

What you said about Hinata's "normality" can be applied to basically every other character in Haikyuu, not just Hinata.
They're all normal in one way or another, none of them was born special, and that's valid even for tall guys like Hyakuzawa or talented player like Kageyama. Despite his natural talent, Kageyama had to work his way up from the bottom like everyone else and that process took many years, it's just that, since we didn't follow his journey prior to his enrollment in Karasuno, it's easier to forget the amount of time, hard work and dedication that he put in volleyball to get where he is now. The same can be said about many other characters we've been introduced to, regardless of their height.
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Shinuki_n_Reborn said:
FuMomo-kun said:
I don't know why, but this season is feeling unbearably underwhelming. Was Haikyuu always this bad or did this season just drop in quality? Or maybe I just got too old for this anime. Because I liked the past seasons, I will see if this gets better later. Also, what's wrong with the designs? They look embarrassing when compared with the fantastic animation.


I don't know what you're smoking or drinking, because there's arguably nothing bad in these first 2 episodes, this is a training arc before the nationals and will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. The character designs are great and closer to the actual art of the manga, production still top notch too, i'm also 3 years older than you, so nah, the problem seems more about you.


Shinuki_n_Reborn said:
FuMomo-kun said:
I don't know why, but this season is feeling unbearably underwhelming. Was Haikyuu always this bad or did this season just drop in quality? Or maybe I just got too old for this anime. Because I liked the past seasons, I will see if this gets better later. Also, what's wrong with the designs? They look embarrassing when compared with the fantastic animation.


I don't know what you're smoking or drinking, because there's arguably nothing bad in these first 2 episodes, this is a training arc before the nationals and will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. The character designs are great and closer to the actual art of the manga, production still top notch too, i'm also 3 years older than you, so nah, the problem seems more about you.


I just looked at Haikyuu's manga, and I guess the designs did get similar. However, the manga's art is awful, while Production IG's animations are fantastic, and the two don't go well together. There is a thing in art where you need similar amounts of detail throughout the picture unless there is an artistic reason not to do it. Here, the details in the character designs are very low, but the details in the colouring and shading is quite high; kind of looks like two different people did it. Well, I am aware animations are made by many people, but they are required to make things have a proper balance. (I used to study 3d animation, but 2d animations aren't much different.)

Also, I think you made me realise the problem I was having with the story. This is a training arc before the an important game, which will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. . . So basically it's the same story as the previous seasons. There is nothing wrong with the season in itself, but it is just repeating the old story, but now with a different skill.
 
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Can someone explain to me what exactly all those things everyone said to hinata actually meant? Like all the things Hinata was thinking about when his head was between the mats? Like from what I understand, everyone is telling him it's fine how he is as he has Kageyama to set him up and that is enough for Karasuno to do well, but Hinata wants to stop becoming reliant on Kageyama and that's why he went to this camp? I just want it cleared up because i like knowing exactly what's going on and idk if its just me but sometimes I get confused by all the metaphors used to explain everything lol. Like I though Tsukki was kinda harsh on him ngl but Idk if there was some other meaning to what he said.


well basically all these things mean that hinata has to find something from all this to get better. tsukki told him dont waste these 5 days (so he should do something these 5 days except just being the ball boy), the coach told him not to underestimate being ball boy (so there is something good from being the ball boy we will learn in the next episodes), washijo told him that without kageyama he is nothing (which is partially true so it motivates hinata to become better and not waste this opportunity) and ushiwaka told him then what are you doing? (which means then you came here on your own so what are you doing just standing there? learn something from all this). so all these things in common have that hinata cant waste these 5 days. he is ball boy for the first time so he should find something to learn from this position because its a new experience so he should learn something so he can get better and not waste this opportunity he got
 
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This arc is so intense. I like getting more in depth character development, rather than just matches.

Players need to grow by themselves and think about how to improve. Just training more and matches isn't always the answer.

I'm so glad we get to see that for Hinata. A bit sad we don't get to see much Kageyama though. The fracture between the two is actually bitter and hurts me, they've always been together for so many years (well, for us, it's been 7 months for them).
 
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Honesty every season i'm blown away how much I can relate to Hinata's situations, I don't play any sport, I knew nothing about volleyball before this anime came about. And yet out of all the art related anime's I could never relate to them the way I relate my passion for art the way that Hinata is with volleyball.

I'm really enjoying the Tsukki development and focus, I think it's not that he's not well developed but his screen time is a bit lacking sometimes :/ so i'm glad to see him at a training camp and especially with Hinata. Him not telling Hinata off would have been out of character and besides, I feel like the venoms been coming off since his amazing block back a few seasons and hopefully it will just keep growing. I like seeing Tsukki's character, especially interacting with others and it seems that it's going to be happening more now and i'm thankful for it, once the relationships with his rivals and own teammates grows more I think more people will enjoy his character. Right now I can't remember a ton if any notable past interaction since early season 1 and his fight with Yamaguchi
 
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Suoer cute how Hinata had to stick his head in the mats like a bird. Also, I feel the pain of not being tall but wanting to play and not really being able to rebuild yourself when everyone around you is super talented. (And also, has height to their advantage). I guess the big thing to learn from this arc is that being flexible is the true skill to a talented volleyball player. But is it true, he'll never get to play in this arc? Even practice by himself on the skills he was missing?

 
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Hinata must be having a pretty hard time. It'll help him grow.

We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths.
As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are.
That's what death is, don't you think?


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this episode can be summarized by one word and one emoticon.

Hinata :(
 
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FuMomo-kun said:

I just looked at Haikyuu's manga, and I guess the designs did get similar. However, the manga's art is awful, while Production IG's animations are fantastic, and the two don't go well together. There is a thing in art where you need similar amounts of detail throughout the picture unless there is an artistic reason not to do it. Here, the details in the character designs are very low, but the details in the colouring and shading is quite high; kind of looks like two different people did it. Well, I am aware animations are made by many people, but they are required to make things have a proper balance. (I used to study 3d animation, but 2d animations aren't much different.)

Also, I think you made me realise the problem I was having with the story. This is a training arc before the an important game, which will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. . . So basically it's the same story as the previous seasons. There is nothing wrong with the season in itself, but it is just repeating the old story, but now with a different skill.


How's the manga visual awful? Can you point out what makes you form such a strong opinion with it? Every time there's a comment like this i assumed the op never took art or design classes, but with your experience you should know better that these weekly mangas have been amazingly drawn if you read and follow each chapters. I assumed you don't just take a look at a couple pages then proceed to make this comment.
 
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Sheragin said:
FuMomo-kun said:

I just looked at Haikyuu's manga, and I guess the designs did get similar. However, the manga's art is awful, while Production IG's animations are fantastic, and the two don't go well together. There is a thing in art where you need similar amounts of detail throughout the picture unless there is an artistic reason not to do it. Here, the details in the character designs are very low, but the details in the colouring and shading is quite high; kind of looks like two different people did it. Well, I am aware animations are made by many people, but they are required to make things have a proper balance. (I used to study 3d animation, but 2d animations aren't much different.)

Also, I think you made me realise the problem I was having with the story. This is a training arc before the an important game, which will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. . . So basically it's the same story as the previous seasons. There is nothing wrong with the season in itself, but it is just repeating the old story, but now with a different skill.


How's the manga visual awful? Can you point out what makes you form such a strong opinion with it? Every time there's a comment like this i assumed the op never took art or design classes, but with your experience you should know better that these weekly mangas have been amazingly drawn if you read and follow each chapters. I assumed you don't just take a look at a couple pages then proceed to make this comment.


He just doesn't like the new art style man, let him be lol.. Everyone has their own opinions.

I kind of agree with him to an extent, these last 2 episodes aren't hitting as much. It's way too early so I'll hold off on any criticism, but it feels like they're just replaying the Season 2 development.

Keep in mind I'm not just some Haikyuu hater, I have it in my favorite anime list and loved the previous 3 seasons, all 10/10. I just feel sort of disconnected thus far, personally I think they're overplaying the "underdog" factor too much. Hinata in no way shape or form should be feeling this beneath his entire team when he literally scores the most crucial spikes game in and day out, he'd even shown improvements in other aspects of the game as well.

Not only that, but this training camp isn't holding many elite players at all, he's undoubtedly better than all of them minus maybe Tsukushima. Also, the Shiratorizawa coach is such a irritable character, with his size complex and bashing of Hinata, I get the dynamic they're trying to pull but it's relatively annoying.

I've seen some comments here talking about how excited they are for his new development, but isn't it just the same thing as the previous seasons, that he wants to hone his skills and get better because he feels his peers were pulling ahead? At that point it made a lot more sense too, they'd just lost AND it was because he was underdevelopped and lacked the ability to control his own hits.

Welp, just some useless rambling on my end for some minor grievances. I'm sure this season will improve greatly and hopefully captivate me like the other training arc did. I just feel like Hinata's potrayed as being much weaker than he actually is, so that it fits the narrative of having to require this dramatic training arc. I hope it doesn't take up too many episodes and we can see some of Kageyama's training as well.
 
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He just doesn't like the new art style man, let him be lol.. Everyone has their own opinions.

I kind of agree with him to an extent, these last 2 episodes aren't hitting as much. It's way too early so I'll hold off on any criticism, but it feels like they're just replaying the Season 2 development.

Keep in mind I'm not just some Haikyuu hater, I have it in my favorite anime list and loved the previous 3 seasons, all 10/10. I just feel sort of disconnected thus far, personally I think they're overplaying the "underdog" factor too much. Hinata in no way shape or form should be feeling this beneath his entire team when he literally scores the most crucial spikes game in and day out, he'd even shown improvements in other aspects of the game as well.

Not only that, but this training camp isn't holding many elite players at all, he's undoubtedly better than all of them minus maybe Tsukushima. Also, the Shiratorizawa coach is such a irritable character, with his size complex and bashing of Hinata, I get the dynamic they're trying to pull but it's relatively annoying.

I've seen some comments here talking about how excited they are for his new development, but isn't it just the same thing as the previous seasons, that he wants to hone his skills and get better because he feels his peers were pulling ahead? At that point it made a lot more sense too, they'd just lost AND it was because he was underdevelopped and lacked the ability to control his own hits.

Welp, just some useless rambling on my end for some minor grievances. I'm sure this season will improve greatly and hopefully captivate me like the other training arc did. I just feel like Hinata's potrayed as being much weaker than he actually is, so that it fits the narrative of having to require this dramatic training arc. I hope it doesn't take up too many episodes and we can see some of Kageyama's training as well.


The op didn't have to drag down the manga art if his only complain was the anime's current character design.

Hinata is great at offense only but he also wants to expand his ability. Last season Hinata was trying to hone his spiking and quick attacks, this season will focus more on the floor defense. Hinata scores many points, but in the national tournament the opposing team will get used to those quick freaks in a short time, the reason being, these teams have been studying each other and preparing plans to win the game. And some of the players in this camp actually have better balance than Hinata's.
 
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Sheragin said:
FuMomo-kun said:

I just looked at Haikyuu's manga, and I guess the designs did get similar. However, the manga's art is awful, while Production IG's animations are fantastic, and the two don't go well together. There is a thing in art where you need similar amounts of detail throughout the picture unless there is an artistic reason not to do it. Here, the details in the character designs are very low, but the details in the colouring and shading is quite high; kind of looks like two different people did it. Well, I am aware animations are made by many people, but they are required to make things have a proper balance. (I used to study 3d animation, but 2d animations aren't much different.)

Also, I think you made me realise the problem I was having with the story. This is a training arc before the an important game, which will have a huge impact on Hinata in the future games. . . So basically it's the same story as the previous seasons. There is nothing wrong with the season in itself, but it is just repeating the old story, but now with a different skill.


How's the manga visual awful? Can you point out what makes you form such a strong opinion with it? Every time there's a comment like this i assumed the op never took art or design classes, but with your experience you should know better that these weekly mangas have been amazingly drawn if you read and follow each chapters. I assumed you don't just take a look at a couple pages then proceed to make this comment.


I know Haikyuu is a weekly series, and magazine versions of them tend to have unfinished looking art, and that is the one that's often found on the internet, and also the one I am calling 'awful'. I don't know how the actual Tankoubon versions of the art look like.

When I was looking for its manga designs, I had looked at one of the recent chapters (373), so I will say what I found problematic in that chapter as an animation student.

Cover page: placement of both the arms are off. I have seen the artist making a drawing on YouTube, so I know he can do better than what was done in the cover.

First page: the position and movement of the mouth on the guy with the hat (Gabriel?) seems to ignore rules of anatomy. That is okay if it helped with the composition, but it doesn't. Still, it kind of works in a manga.

Two pages later: The panel that says 'Gino's serve' has a very weird drawing. It doesn't really look that was intended by the artist, as it completely lacks forms.

The problems with anatomy occurs throughout the chapter, which isn't much of a problem in a manga where there is no movement and the overall art-style just blend with one another in a consistent way. However, when the same problem is converted into an anime, it starts looking very off. Especially because the designs from the previous seasons were actually quite good.
 
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SatanicAlpha said:

Hinata in no way shape or form should be feeling this beneath his entire team when he literally scores the most crucial spikes game in and day out, he'd even shown improvements in other aspects of the game as well.

I disagree. It's important and necessary for Hinata to feel the pressure and anxiety that come from seeing all these much better players all around him, both in his team and outside of it.
I like this character because he has the humility to recognize that he's not that good by himself. As he is now, Hinata is a below-average volleyball player. He sucks at serving and receiving, his blocks are barely passable, he rarely thinks when he plays and he just does things on pure instinct, which is not enough the higher you go. He's good at offence and he usually scores a lot, but half of the credit for that goes to Kageyama. Take him out of the picture and Hinata's offensive power drastically lowers, which is why Coach Washijo told him that without his setter around he doesn't see much value in him. This is a very valid point and something Hinata himself knows it's true.
If Hinata isn't able to recognize his weaknesses and work on them to improve as a player, his volleyball career will be a very short one.

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Not only that, but this training camp isn't holding many elite players at all, he's undoubtedly better than all of them minus maybe Tsukushima.

They may not be elite players, but the majority of them are far better than Hinata. The two guys who are probably closer to his skill level are Hyakuzawa and Koganegawa. Kunimi, Kindaichi and Goshiki are all far better players. Goshiki is a very good well-rounded player who's capable both in offence and defence and he has also a powerful serve. He's miles above Hinata.
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I kind of agree with him to an extent, these last 2 episodes aren't hitting as much. It's way too early so I'll hold off on any criticism, but it feels like they're just replaying the Season 2 development.

See this is the part that I find the most realistic about this anime and not other sports ones I've tried or art based ones. I don't play sport, I can't really relate but I draw a lot and have for years but i'm nowhere near commission worthy and I have a list of things I need to tackle to improve.

It is a constant cycle, and it is quite repetitive even more so in real life. I tackle one aspect I know needs improving like last year I worked on anatomy and getting more confident and comfortable with it and my art looks significantly less stiff but that victory was short held, because then I still had shoulders, arms, legs, expressions and composition that I still needed to tackle. It is just learning new skills and improving them one at a time, because focusing all your energy on one aspect will help you understand and master it deeper than trying to get everything under wraps at the same time.

Hinata is not a bad player, he has good offence but since season 1 his defence sucks and there's been bare minimum put into improving it.

I get the point and I can see how it can seem repetitive, but as a artist these doubts can blossom and cause more training than people think especially when you are still on the lower scale of the ladder. I just got to the step where I have some appreciation for my own art but the flaws and lack of attention it gains even thought i'm pulling lots of improvements now more rapidly is still disheartening even if I know I have improved and I can visibly see it but seeing my friends get more attention and get better than me, sometimes taking on commissions well it drags you down when you don't get the memo even if it's selfish to think like that.

Sorry for the really long ramble ^^; just wanted to state my opinion on the matter cause I can really feel myself in Hinata's shoes
 
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I don't know man. But I'm not feeling the new style of the anime. It felt like everyone became a bit less human.
The reason why I was captivated by the previous installments was the art work, but now I feel like they are going easy or they aren't putting their heart and soul into the project.
All the core team players except nishinoya went through changes and it wasn't satisfying. I felt a bit disconnected, like there someone I used to know. And the art work is cheap.
*Don't feel offended, this is just my humble opinion*


Totally agree with you. I thought something was missing as well and that the style seemed very different, so I guess that's true then.. The atmosphere that Haikyuu used to have just isn't there so far in this season. I was never a big fan of this series to begin with, but what kept me watching was that very atmosphere that Haikyuu used to have (but unfortunately no longer seem to have).
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SatanicAlpha said:

Hinata in no way shape or form should be feeling this beneath his entire team when he literally scores the most crucial spikes game in and day out, he'd even shown improvements in other aspects of the game as well.

I disagree. It's important and necessary for Hinata to feel the pressure and anxiety that come from seeing all these much better players all around him, both in his team and outside of it.
I like this character because he has the humility to recognize that he's not that good by himself. As he is now, Hinata is a below-average volleyball player. He sucks at serving and receiving, his blocks are barely passable, he rarely thinks when he plays and he just does things on pure instinct, which is not enough the higher you go. He's good at offence and he usually scores a lot, but half of the credit for that goes to Kageyama. Take him out of the picture and Hinata's offensive power drastically lowers, which is why Coach Washijo told him that without his setter around he doesn't see much value in him. This is a very valid point and something Hinata himself knows it's true.
If Hinata isn't able to recognize his weaknesses and work on them to improve as a player, his volleyball career will be a very short one.

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Not only that, but this training camp isn't holding many elite players at all, he's undoubtedly better than all of them minus maybe Tsukushima.

They may not be elite players, but the majority of them are far better than Hinata. The two guys who are probably closer to his skill level are Hyakuzawa and Koganegawa. Kunimi, Kindaichi and Goshiki are all far better players. Goshiki is a very good well-rounded player who's capable both in offence and defence and he has also a powerful serve. He's miles above Hinata.


I can agree on the fact that he isn't a good all around player. But I feel as if most of his weaknesses truly cannot be overcome because of his natural build, he can improve slightly in terms of blocking with using his vertical jump but his size and lack of length will always put him at a disadvantage. However, I disagree with your opinion that at this stage he is a below average volleyball player. It's probably pointless to list out my reasonings why, but I'm always for dharing my opinion and am opened yo discussion. While it's true he lacks the ability to create for himself individually, volleyball is precisely a team sport where a lot of the offence will be dictated through the setter. As a team, players all have their weaknesses, and good teammates fill that void for that individual. I believe that Hinata's ability to be a focal point of the opposing teams defence outweights any value of being an "all-around player", while it's always beneficial to be one, I think that in the team sport of volleyball it's not necessarily as important as being extremely powerful at on end. Also, Goshiki himself had moments during the game where he also made many mistakes, sometimes choking under the pressure which Hinata excels in, somethimg crucial in the sport of volleyball and especially this anime where games will be tight.

I have no problems with him acknowledging his weaknesses,I just felt that it was a little overexaggerated with how he was withheld from the training camp, and it was overdramatizing his lack of performance in the last game. In my opinion, even though he lacks overall ability, I do not believe that puts him below many of the players at the camp, even some that you listed. However I understand this could be subjective, so while it's completely fine that you feel they're better, in my opinion I don't. I feel like Hinata's such a core part of Karasuno's fast-paced offense, even though without Kageyama, Hinata would be much weaker, the same could be said about the team and Hinata. Especially with their trademark synchronized attack, the defenders will always be guessing who'll attack, and players like Hinata that generate so much attention will benefit them. While his serves are bad, it's not the most damaging aspect of the game considering most decent serves get received properly either way. Trust me, I'm all for improvement, but I just think he's selling him short for the blatant discrimination by Shiratorizawa's coach. It's obvious that he'd be picked if he wasn't in charge, after all. Whoops, rambled on for too long there, you probanly don't agree with anything I said either, oh well. Sorry about that. 😂

Here's to hoping for another excellent sesson of Haikyuu! 🙏
 
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SatanicAlpha said:

Whoops, rambled on for too long there, you probanly don't agree with anything I said either, oh well. Sorry about that. 😂


Lol, no need to apologize. I enjoy reading other perspectives, even if I disagree with them.
I guess the point where we differ is that when I think about Hinata I think about what's best for his entire volleyball career and not just what's best for the team is in now. It's true that Hinata's freak quick and his decoy work are essential for Karasuno, he's at the core of his team's offensive strategy, but he's not going to play in Karasuno all his life and Kageyama won't be the only one to set the ball for him. Hinata has to learn new skills and improve his offence and defence because he needs to be able to play with different setters and different teams if he wants to have a chance to go pro. He has already the disadvantage of being short, if he doesn't become a good well-rounded player on top of that, he'll never be picked by scouts.
I don't play volleyball, but I follow real-life games and even middle blockers who only stay in the back row for one rotation need to know how to properly serve and receive.

I agree with what Coach Ukai said in this episode. Up until now, what was good for the team outweighed what was good for Hinata for the most part. The best for Hinata is to grow as a player, which means to focus and work on all the things he's lacking, serving and receiving in particular, but he never had a chance to practice just that for an entire week (except for the very beginning of season 1), nor did he have the inclination to do so. The good of the team always came first and that stifled a bit Hinata's growth as a player .
 
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Some people should add the spoiler button, I sincerely understand that many should know how the story unfolds because they follow the manga, what will happen, how Hinata will transform and the rest, including what the bow is about. BUT, many of us just follow the anime and don't want to read comments like that.

Can you do the favor of not saying such things openly? Because it is frustrating, besides that, it loses meaning.

Some of us want to see it for ourselves and be surprised, this is a posting section only about anime. Please remember and respect this.

Even if deep down I know that Hinata won't break: I want to see what will happen with my own eyes, I don't want someone to write that he will, that's not funny. Don't be so selfish.
 
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So where is Oikawa?
 
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you can tell this episode is meant to build up to a big epiphany for hinata and bring more to the plot. very chill episode besides the absolute mortification hinata experienced when shiratorizawa entered the gym lmao i felt bad for him but also couldn't help but stifle a laugh :P hinata chose this on his own

you could tell wakatoshi's 'so, what are you even doing?' HIT hinata. that line punched him in the stomach and stole all his lunch mone.

i'm hoping that hinata realizes that by being a ball boy, he can improve his agility and reaction time to the ball and maybe even learn more about each player that's there. he could also use his time picking up techniques, moves, and tips from the other players.

i was getting anxious just by being in hinata's shoes for this episode >.< there's a lot he doesn't know and so much he has to catch up on. the frustration that comes with not being able to play volleyball when it's happening right in front of you is also affecting hinata and giving him more anxiety. when it's so close to the tournament, hinata is already under pressure, but not being able to practice like he normally would with his team and kageyama is definitely taking its toll on him.

i hope the next episode goes into how kageyama is doing at his training camp. i'm curious to see the other players' skill and specialities. Hopefully kageyama can keep up with them and makes some friends, maybe???
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I love these moments that show the gradual character growth, I can really feel Hinata's frustration, hope he'll find his answer soon.
 
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