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phantomfandom said: KiraYoshikage said: The synopsis tell everything: Sakaido is a genius detective who can track down any criminal. But when his daughter is murdered, revenge lands him on the other side of the law. HOOfan_1 said: They said he already caused another serial killer to commit suicide. His daughter and possibly his wife were killed by a serial killer. I bet he used his position as a detective to track the killer down and caused him to commit suicide. The fact that he is held in the same facility as these serial killers is odd though. Daniel_Naumov said: It was all explained in the previous episodes. You should see them. It explains a lot. About his past and cells. About why our protagonist is where he is. Quite an explanation. Do you think is it possible for him to be the killer of his own family (may or may not intention, maybe due to psychological disease or something) I find it strange that he is in the same area as the real serial killer and terrorists that kill dozen of people. He has to do more than just kill the murderer. I don't think so. He become someone who dislike criminal and he probably kill someone for vengeance. |
| This episode was good, we got to know a little bit of Sakaidos past. |
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| good shit , this is really good i love mistery anime |
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| I'm really liking this show. I find the world and characters to be quite interesting. Some more than others. I don't know if they'll go this route, but some alarm bells have been going off in my head and telling me that our MC over here is the one who killed his daughter. I think one of the few downsides here is that it feels like the show is rushing a bit. For example, they captured the sniper awfully quick. I get that they didn't have time to show them actually finding this guy, but its a shame that we couldn't see it. |
| Amazing episode I fell sad for Momoko |
| Did Sakaido just made another criminal commit sucide, wow. So far all three episodes were interesting but nothing amazing yet. Thou I do like Sakaido's character more after this episode. |
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| Wow, Sakaido is a lot more of a dark character than I first thought... One thing that haunts me about this anime is how unbearably hellish Sakaido's life is; he has to live every day trapped in a tiny room with just the memories of his daughter's brutal murder and the only respite he gets is in the ID Well where he can't remember anything at all and often has to experience dying over and over again. Damn, this shit is deceptively twisted... |
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| Well, I believe that the well is a combination of the subconscious of the person concerned and person diving(Sakaido). Kairu and John Walker are part of Sakaido's sub-conscious mind maybe. The indifferent reaction of other people to Kairu's death and the inherent fear of John Walker are also part of the sub-conscious. What's your take? |
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eWEQRW123123 said: You would think they would put Sakaido away from the prisoners after he already caused 5 of them to suicide. Why? That's the best way to get rid of them. Also... that voice acting... DAMN. He just talked that POS into killing himself. I think he wasn't going to until he called her daughter's death meaningless. We saw Saka's eye twitch and then he went all in. |
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I am hooked. Very good |
Habakuk said: HOOfan_1 said: They said he already caused another serial killer to commit suicide. His daughter and possibly his wife were killed by a serial killer. I bet he used his position as a detective to track the killer down and caused him to commit suicide. The fact that he is held in the same facility as these serial killers is odd though. I am pretty sure this isn't even only his second rodeo. If I remember correctly they talked about it in episode 2? and he said something like "Don't want that to be my fourth" or something like that. Have to rewatch that part. So I guess this one was now his fourth 'victim". Meh...I don't know but I am sure he didn't say second. If you think about it that ability alone makes him freaking dangerous. That was a weird scene...because I think he meant the 5th one he caught not caused to commit suicide, but the way that conversation flowed made it hard to distinguish |
| Man, I'm really enjoying this premise and the anime's way of studying the criminal psyche is super intriguing. Very good episode overall. Way better than the first two, being honest. Sakaido's past with his wife and daughter was both interesting and quite sad to know. With your daughter being killed in such brutal way, no wonder why he acts so indifferent towards criminals. I especially found his talk with the bomber to be rather "enjoyable" as well as a good way to give him more characterization. Personally can't wait to get more info about his circumstances. Regarding the case, it was indeed solved rather quickly but it wasn't that complex to begin with so the sequence of events didn't feel rushed nor confusing in the slightest. |
eWEQRW123123 said: You would think they would put Sakaido away from the prisoners after he already caused 5 of them to suicide. Did I miss something? Where they did mention that he drove 5 of them to suicide? |
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eWEQRW123123 said: Episode 2 at 19 minutes. Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.04,0:19:06.54,Default,,0,0,0,,While we're on the subject, remember that\Nyou dive to assist the investigation... Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.54,0:19:09.91,Default,,0,0,0,,...not to root out the killer's\Nmental weakness. Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.91,0:19:12.95,Default,,0,0,0,,You drove some to suicide.\NI don't want a repeat. Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.79,0:19:16.87,Default,,0,0,0,,A repeat? Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.87,0:19:20.58,Default,,0,0,0,,Don't you mean a five-peat? Ooooh thanks! I forgot that one. so yeah, now that I think about it, maybe they DO want kill them, they just can't be honest about it that's why they're there LOL they're also just waiting for the first guy to be persuaded too haha, well now that's a inadvertent yet savage way to get rid of criminals without dirtying their hands :))) |
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| Sakaido's one heck of a dark guy. Forcing the Pyrotechnician to suicide just because he could not agree to his ideals. Shame. I still want to know more about the backstory of his family. Especially to his daughter. Can't wait. |
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Nainu_ said: Forcing the Pyrotechnician to suicide just because he could not agree to his ideals. Shame. Uhm, no. 1st, he didn't force him. 2nd, he made him kill himself because he belittled his daughter's death. |
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| I liked the first two episodes, but this was fantastic! |
| The Ed is fire. This season is gonna be good asf |
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| To see Sakaido's family mixed within the confines of his detective work, and then brutally murdered, it's just sad. But the thing about the "id well" is pretty much a vessel within another, a "pilot" for the real world with implications. The well, to invade identifies (hence the name i-d:invaded). Plus, on Sakaido's side, diving into the case (or "well" rather) of serial killers, with the Pyrotechnician and Kaeru's mystery suicide. While the scientists help on the outside world, Sakaido helps to solve from within, the big picture (which thank God, this Sniper/Pyrotechnician case is as straightforward as it gets). The conversation thereafter between Sakaido and the Pyrotechnician is somewhat calm, but collected. The epitome of extreme reality in each person, whether dead or alive with never-ending hallucinations. I'd thought that Ei Aoki has lost his touch of directing anime after quite sometime, but this episode redeemed the losing interest with the slow infodump that's just nice and taking centerstage with the various wells of people's identities. |
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uninstallthegame said: other than that, what was the point of that call to suicide? is he erasing unworthy humans that way? it gave some clues to his past, I mean he made him commit suicide because that guy mentioned Sakaido daughter in bad way. |
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DmonHiro said: Nainu_ said: Forcing the Pyrotechnician to suicide just because he could not agree to his ideals. Shame. Uhm, no. 1st, he didn't force him. Yes he did, he clearly knew what to say to make him to commit suicide it wasn't by accident or just crash of different opinion. It was his intention. |
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Nieznajomy43 said: Yes he did, he clearly knew what to say to make him to commit suicide it wasn't by accident or just crash of different opinion. It was his intention. That's not "forcing" that's "coercing". Forcing someone to kill himself is like "I'll stop torturing you if you kill yourself". Coercing someone to kill himself is like "There's really no point in you being alive. You'll never feel any joy ever again". That's what he did. |
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FullmetalPrince said: deg said: ok so it seems they are entering a copy of an unconscious mind then rather than directly entering the mind of a criminal and this copy of unconscious mind is a leftover on the crime scene called cognition particles then and Kaeru might be a tool (Kaeru is his dead daughter) for him to remember his self especially that he is a detective entering the copy of an unconscious mind Kaeru is not his daughter, a fact that he reminds himself repeatedly. I think it is a character generated by the Mizuhanome, along with some of the other settings. Whenever he enters an ID Well, Narihisago forgets everything. You can see it like the pre-set of a game where you are Sakaido the brilliant detective and you always have to solve Kaeru's murder case, which is not the actual case to be solved. like i said im talking figuratively rather than literally so obviously Kaeru is not his daughter in a literal sense but symbolically or metaphorically she is his daughter |
DmonHiro said: Nieznajomy43 said: Yes he did, he clearly knew what to say to make him to commit suicide it wasn't by accident or just crash of different opinion. It was his intention. That's not "forcing" that's "coercing". Forcing someone to kill himself is like "I'll stop torturing you if you kill yourself". Coercing someone to kill himself is like "There's really no point in you being alive. You'll never feel any joy ever again". That's what he did. Sorry, english isn't my first language but after what I read I still consider "forcing" and "coercing" as the same thing in this situation. Coercion involves the use of threats or intimidation to force someone to do something against their will. - https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/what-is-coercion-law.html Coerce: to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, especially without regard for individual desire or volition: They coerced him into signing the document. to bring about through the use of force or other forms of compulsion; exact: to coerce obedience. to dominate or control, especially by exploiting fear, anxiety, etc.: The state is based on successfully coercing the individual. Words related to coerce: bully, intimidate, suppress, repress, strong-arm, browbeat, terrorize, hinder, bulldoze, force, cow, urge, oblige, make, drive, impel, beset, push, threaten, constrain https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coerce Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of threats or force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion [qoute] As nouns the difference between force and coercion is that force is strength or energy of body or mind; active power; vigour; might; capacity of exercising an influence or producing an effect or force can be (countable|northern england) a waterfall or cascade while coercion is (not countable) actual or threatened force for the purpose of compelling action by another person; the act of coerce|coercing. As a verb force is (lb) to violate (a woman); to rape or force can be to stuff; to lard; to farce. https://wikidiff.com/force/coercion [/qoute] |
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| This episode was pretty good. I’m very curious about Sakaido, I mean the real person, he has a complex name in real life xD |
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| Fuck so this is dark I'm really liking the protagonist. A very interesting, tragic and gruff, intelligent character. And it's a nice change to have a protag that (seems to be at least?) over 30 years old. And he's voiced very well too, can't believe I didn't realise its the same VA as Overhaul, Ogata from Golden Kamuy and Atomic Samurai. I think I just found/realised a new favourite VA. He doesn't seem to have the most incredible range but man I really love his voice. I think my biggest complaint with this show right now is that there is definitely a bit too many "don't think about it too much" moments and plot holes. A lot of "what..??"s and cheeky coincidences with where the prisoner ended up this ep, the photo he was allowed... And several other things I tried not to think too much about. |
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| I found this episode not that complex as the first two. John Walker didn’t appear this time. I’m not understanding Hondomachi, she got drilled the last episode and she’s there like nothing, she had a surgery, but a trauma or something must be there, I don’t know, that character is strange. Muku’s murder is something crude. |
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| Ok this episode got me hooked. |
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| ok so the detective killed somebody too..... I want to know what is his story |
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| This was super good episode |
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| I'm not liking this anime, the writer is conveniently using the sci-fi aspect to avoid thinking up of the deduction aspect. Still curious about the detective's backstory though, that's the only thing preventing me from dropping this so far. |
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| We know how his daughter died. Another serial killer and Sakaido talked that guy into suicide. I didn't care about him but it was interesting that he committed suicide. Good episode. 4/5 |
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| It's like gourmet mac and cheese. Well seasoned, cooked right, but still mac and cheese. |
| Am I going stupid or is the narration too confusing? I liked the idea but they barely explained what was happening |
| I can listen to my boi Kaiki everyday, such a great asmr voice love this anime |
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| Interesting sniper case this episode. Man that hospitalized girl really bears a striking resemblence to Sakaido's daughter. |
| This is why you don't trigger other people. Sakaido was all fine and chill the whole time except the moment his daughter was mentioned. First time I've seen someone in anime actually get triggered and be scary |
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