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Jan 11, 11:03 PM
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VortexOfLight said:
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But he's also far too timid, mentally fragile, has low self-esteem, yet it is not explored enough to be shown as a detriment so that he looks like a more well rounded and organic character.


I have to agree with you on the matter that Deku's more social flaws don't get called out. However, I'm fairly confident that his demeanour and behaviour will be addressed a little into the future. We had a recent chapter in the manga (forgive me if I'm a little fuzzy on the details), where all the students were being assessed for their social skills (or something like that) by Midnight. It was mostly played for tropes, with Bakugo getting angry and Mineta being Mineta, but there were two standout moments for me: Deku was called out for his anxiety and lack of confidence, and Todoroki was singled out as plain and unexpressive.

Of course, this was played off, and hasn't been addressed since, but I'd like to think that it was only brought up because Horikoshi is aware of the flaws of his characters, and is looking to improve them. I dearly hope they are brought up later, since one thing the show did right for me in the first season is to show us why All Might is objectively the greatest hero. His willpower, his presence, and everything about how he carried himself (even when he was faking it) showed us exactly why he was considered the best. That said, Deku as he is right now can't hope to achieve that level of greatness by virtue of the power of his quirk alone. Looking at it from a sociological perspective, it just won't happen, since current Deku's social appeal and projection pales in comparison to All Might's.

Deku's weaknesses as a character, and as a prospective hero, have been touched on, which is why I feel the need to agree with your post. Counterintuitive, I know. I'm saying this because I feel that they didn't get enough attention over that short time period, and am greatly concerned that they will be sweeped under the carpet, which would make the whole matter a lot worse, since we were educated as to the nature of his flaws, but nothing was done about it, negating the fundamental shonen themes of growth and self-improvement. It just wouldn't make sense.

In conclusion, you're right, and Horikoshi seems to know it. Here's to hoping it's actually addressed, since while many people have come to accept series like Naruto and Bleach for what they are in spite of all their flaws, My Hero Academia still has a long way to go, and still has a chance to clear such things before passing the point of no return. If nothing else, it'll satisfy fans like us if it does.


Great post.

The saying that "behind every cynic is a disappointed optimist" holds true for me here. I'm not hating on him because I think Deku is a bad character and is irredeemable. I'm hating on him because he COULD be a GREAT character but the author decided to play it safe.

I don't know how long the series will last, and I don't know if the manga improved upon this. If it has, then I'll GLADLY read it, even if I end up being spoiled of the event.

When this series was first released, it was billed as more or less the second coming of Hunter x Hunter. It had the potential to come close, but there are a lot of flaws with the show outside of Deku but I think the MAIN issue is Deku himself.

It's making the same mistake Naruto made.

How can you build a world where the main character is too narrow-minded and ignorant to take the world in?

How can you build a proper supporting cast when their exist is mainly tied to their relation to your main character?

Too much of the narrative hinges on Deku, which bogs it down since Deku isn't a deep enough character to be used as a vehicle for other themes to be explored.

Like in Naruto, in a world where shinobi HAVE to kill, HAVE to assassinate, HAVE to get their hands dirty, the solution is based on what NARUTO thinks the solution SHOULD be and it's not based on a PRACTICAL solution that has been explored through Naruto because he's not a thoughtful enough character. He is ignorant, knew he was ignorant, but doubled down on his ignorance and naivety.

I think Deku will go down this path and ruin the narrative that the author intended to be explored because he's too afraid of making his precious main character too flawed.
 
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Come off it. I've been watching anime before you knew it even existed. I don't need an account on a forum to "verify" how much anime I've watched. I was watching Berserk with my dad in the 90's on CD's that he burned the episodes onto, and that isn't even my earliest memory of watching anime. This is a road you don't want to go down on with me because you'll lose.

Secondly, I gave it a "1" for the same reason I gave AOT season 3 part 2 a 7 (I actually rated it higher on a second watch through than I did initially) because at the end of it I felt as if I completely wasted my time. The biggest insult any visual media can commit is the feeling of wasting your time. Which this show did.

The great thing about ratings is that they're not final. You can always come back to a show and rate it higher after the fact. I've done that with shows that I haven't liked initially because sometimes the head space you're in on your first watch can be counter-intuitive to the narrative of the show that you're watching.

Anyways I've wasted enough time qualifying myself to you. Next time get your facts straight before you try to step to someone who has forgotten more about anime than you've ever seen.

So... talk to us about why you disliked Chihayafuru S3 if you're gonna pretend that you've watched it.


You're not derailing my thread. Sorry. PM me if you want me to send you a dissertation.
 
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ChainxBastard said:
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So... talk to us about why you disliked Chihayafuru S3 if you're gonna pretend that you've watched it.


You're not derailing my thread. Sorry. PM me if you want me to send you a dissertation.
I apologize. I'm getting angry over nothing and obviously, this has no place in this BNHA thread anyway. MAL ratings shouldn't affect me that much to call people out for it. I can't prove if you're a bot or not in the end. It'll be up to the admins to see how to handle the score problem since there are over 1500+ accounts made in November just to downrate it.

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Mayuka said:
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You're not derailing my thread. Sorry. PM me if you want me to send you a dissertation.
I apologize. I'm getting angry over nothing and obviously, this has no place in this BNHA thread anyway. MAL ratings shouldn't affect me that much to call people out for it. I can't prove if you're a bot or not in the end. It'll be up to the admins to see how to handle the score problem since there are over 1500+ accounts made in November just to downrate it.


They won't handle it. MAL is trash. They allow trolls to downvote episodes and spew nonsense and when you report them and call out the trolls you get "warned" for backseat modding. It's happened to me several times.

I've been accused of being a troll due to other scores when I typically put "1"'s as a place holder. AOT fanbase destroyed me because I gave Season 3 Part 2 a "1" after my initial watch through because I was going to watch it again later, which I did. And I planned to rewatch Chihayafuru S3 too.

Just go to Reddit if you want real discussion. You won't find that here.
 
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ChainxBastard said:
They won't handle it. MAL is trash. They allow trolls to downvote episodes and spew nonsense and when you report them and call out the trolls you get "warned" for backseat modding. It's happened to me several times.

I've been accused of being a troll due to other scores when I typically put "1"'s as a place holder. AOT fanbase destroyed me because I gave Season 3 Part 2 a "1" after my initial watch through because I was going to watch it again later, which I did. And I planned to rewatch Chihayafuru S3 too.


Why would you even rate something a 1 as a place holder? just don't rate it at all, if you're going to rate something a 1 then do it because you dislike the anime but don't do it as a place holder, I see no point in doing that. That's my opinion about it but I really don't care, MAL's rating is crap anyway.

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Just go to Reddit if you want real discussion. You won't find that here.


Lol no, Reddit is the last place you wanna go to have a "real discussion", that place is full of people that will down-vote any opinion they don't agree on and this makes Reddit pretty cancerous. You try to have a discussion about why you dislike an anime and boom, you will have a bunch of retarded people down-voting you.
 
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I agree Deku is one of the main problems, but he’s not the only one. However, the biggest problem is that I really can’t like any character, excluding All Might. Another problem is the story being less and less intriguing to me, it’s something already seen and whitout elements I particulary like. I think MHA isn’t for me, probably this series will be the last one I watch.
at least you finally made up your mind lol. i drop show way quicker if i don't like it.


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Just like how HeroAca borrowed a lot of ideas from Naruto, Deku is now facing the same problem as Naruto.

Deku's character arc has already ended by the end of season 3 just like how Naruto's character arc has ended after Pain.

First it was his fight with muscular where he learned how a hero actually feels actually putting their lives on the line. Then it was him telling his mom that it doesn't have to be UA. This meant that he's no longer continuing as an All Might fanboy because following in his footsteps is no longer such a big deal as long as he becomes a hero. He's found his hero identity and path instead of being just All Might 2.0 and he has proven his passion for the role of a hero instead of just the glory and prestige of UA. Lastly it was him leading the relationship with Bakugo towards a more healthy direction. There's nothing more for him internally to resolve anymore which is why the only sort of character development after that arc can only just be powerlevel and quirk ups and eventually dealing with All Might's death (if it does happen). Which is also why Todoroki, Bakugo and Shigaraki are way more interesting continuing onwards because their character are actually incomplete.
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ChainxBastard said:
Mirio was infinitely more interesting.

I have a horrific time getting invested in basic generic anime shows where the main character is a net negative in comparison to every other character in the show because the supporting cast constantly props up the generic hero as if he was the second reincarnation of Jesus.

He's a good kid, he's smart and he works hard. Don't get me wrong.

But he's also far too timid, mentally fragile, has low self-esteem, yet it is not explored enough to be shown as a detriment so that he looks like a more well rounded and organic character.

My biggest pet peeve is when a character's "flaws" are never shown as a true flaw in the purpose of the narrative.

Deku could have easily been in a situation where he freezes up due to "analysis paralysis" and suffers a major loss. We know he's prone to overthinking but that NEVER happens.
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We know that he is capable of injuring himself far too severely due to his martyr complex. He should have suffered a horrific injury that changed the trajectory of his career....forever.

But that NEVER happens.

I could go on.

I hate it when main characters aren't called out for their BS. Look at all the better examples....

Gon, Edward Elric, hell even GOKU gets called out for his BS. When a main character doesn't get absolved of their flaws by virtue of the fact that they're a main character, then the supporting cast looks as dynamic and organic as the main character himself.

But in BNHA, it just doesn't happen. Deku is bland, and every character that supports him by virtue gets shown as bland as well because their praise has ZERO basis.

Deku is why I can not invest in this show.

Why you talking like you know so much about anime when you have only seen 4
 
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ChainxBastard said:
Mirio was infinitely more interesting.

I have a horrific time getting invested in basic generic anime shows where the main character is a net negative in comparison to every other character in the show because the supporting cast constantly props up the generic hero as if he was the second reincarnation of Jesus.

He's a good kid, he's smart and he works hard. Don't get me wrong.

But he's also far too timid, mentally fragile, has low self-esteem, yet it is not explored enough to be shown as a detriment so that he looks like a more well rounded and organic character.

My biggest pet peeve is when a character's "flaws" are never shown as a true flaw in the purpose of the narrative.

Deku could have easily been in a situation where he freezes up due to "analysis paralysis" and suffers a major loss. We know he's prone to overthinking but that NEVER happens.
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We know that he is capable of injuring himself far too severely due to his martyr complex. He should have suffered a horrific injury that changed the trajectory of his career....forever.

But that NEVER happens.

I could go on.

I hate it when main characters aren't called out for their BS. Look at all the better examples....

Gon, Edward Elric, hell even GOKU gets called out for his BS. When a main character doesn't get absolved of their flaws by virtue of the fact that they're a main character, then the supporting cast looks as dynamic and organic as the main character himself.

But in BNHA, it just doesn't happen. Deku is bland, and every character that supports him by virtue gets shown as bland as well because their praise has ZERO basis.

Deku is why I can not invest in this show.

Why you talking like you know so much about anime when you have only seen 4


Some people don't update their lists and using people's lists as an argument without actually responding to his arguments is not a good way of discussion.
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
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Deku is not the issue. he's a classic shounen protagonist. some great shounen will introduce some depth but MHA was always generic\simplistic and the side characters are shining bright....

This season is poorly done.
 
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CaptainBubblegum said:
Deku is not the issue. he's a classic shounen protagonist.


Who wins with plot convinces and 1,000,000% ass pulls.


He has everything going for him.
What more dose he need to be a true hero?
 
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Midoriya is actually one of the reasons why Boku no Hero Academia is one of the best shounen of all time!


His social behavior is realistic and that makes him a complex and realistic character.
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I will agree that Deku is an ICREDIBLY stereotypical shounen protagonist. Every character is way more interesting than him.
 
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Old_School_Akira said:
CaptainBubblegum said:
Deku is not the issue. he's a classic shounen protagonist.


Who wins with plot convinces and 1,000,000% ass pulls.


He has everything going for him.
What more dose he need to be a true hero?

Right, the best quirk he can't fully use... that's the whole show.
Him growing both in skill but also as a hero. like any other shounen, he simply "has" the power already just needs to master it. it's the same thing!

Boku is great if you don't mind the generic, predictable shounen. if you want something surprising or complex you're at the wrong place.(Most shounen are SIMPLE)
 
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Izuku is recycle from Jack Midoriya (a salaryman wanna be hero) but took a 180 turn
https://mangahub.io/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia_142/chapter-0

As for his behavior, imagine how he would end up if he didn't have his power. :D
https://mangahub.io/chapter/boku-no-hero-true-hero/chapter-3

Quirkless? Weight training is the answer to become one of the most strongest quirkless hero. (Rock Lee?) His attitude is holding him back. Since the beginning he should've stop comparing himself to other and focus solely on himself. Idolizing All Might to the point of having goods/figures. The answer were simple, become Batman or Ironman. Just team up with Mei Hatsume and have her create support gears.
 
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ChainxBastard said:
twoego said:
That's interesting and all, but what's with your profile? What are you doing with the "1" rating on Chihayafuru? Also, I do somewhat agree with the post.


It's not good that's why. Anyways off topic.

it's definitely good.
and even if it's not, it doesn't deserve a 1.
that's totally unjust.

Sakurai_Aoi said:
Deku has been in serious danger several times and he has been seriously injured. His dream of being a hero was on the line and even his life was at times. Just because it didn't happen before doesn't make the consequences any less "real". Sometimes, the bad things just happen sooner or later than we expect them. That's just how it is.


But since the beginning we know that "this is the story of how I became the strongest hero" so we know for sure that 1. Deku became a hero so "His dream of being a hero was on the line" and "even his life was at times" doesn't provide any tension because we know he's not going to die and no matter what happens he's still gonna become the number 1 hero, so any major conflict he encounters, any villains he face that seem too strong for him to defeat, any situations he's in where it seems like he's gonna die, we know he will be able to get out of these unscathed because he "became the strongest hero".
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Izuku is recycle from Jack Midoriya (a salaryman wanna be hero) but took a 180 turn
https://mangahub.io/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia_142/chapter-0

As for his behavior, imagine how he would end up if he didn't have his power. :D
https://mangahub.io/chapter/boku-no-hero-true-hero/chapter-3

Quirkless? Weight training is the answer to become one of the most strongest quirkless hero. (Rock Lee?) His attitude is holding him back. Since the beginning he should've stop comparing himself to other and focus solely on himself. Idolizing All Might to the point of having goods/figures. The answer were simple, become Batman or Ironman. Just team up with Mei Hatsume and have her create support gears.

Bruh you're comparing characters from different universes. Weight training wouldn't work in the MHA universe because unlike DBZ and Naruto where you can train your body over it's limit and then just eat and sleep a lot to recover completely, In the MHA universe, like in the real world there is a limit to how much you can train and Overworking from that will cause harm instead of benefits as mentioned by All might in the second chapter when Deku overworks himself. Addd to this Deku was 14 when he met All might and his body had limitations, then his limitations should be even lower at the age of <13. Also Rock Lee has Chakra in his body (he just can't use ninjustsu or Genjutsu) and can use the eight gates for tougher opponents, he can't just beat villians due to being trained.
And you're whole be batman or Iron Man, you seem to forget that one of the main reasons these people can do so is because they have seemingly limitless cash to fund them, Deku does not. Batman had enough resources to go and train with the world's top martial artists for 8-10 years something Deku can't do. Iron Man has a lot of things in his suits that don't exist in the MHA world like arc core reactors and Nano technology. The support items of MHA as the name suggests is to support the persons abilities. Giving anyone else Bakugo's gauntlets or Kaminari's sharpshooter gear wouldn't help them. Add to this both these men are born prodigies who had peak human intelligence and capability to reach peak human conditioning, something Deku is not.
Also the whole plot hole of why only make the gadgets for Deku would open hear. Unlike OFA, suits and gadgets can be made for everyone repeatedly so why would they only make one for Deku and not for others who already have powers and can be powered up further by them?
 
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A_Pli said:
xkazutox said:
Izuku is recycle from Jack Midoriya (a salaryman wanna be hero) but took a 180 turn
https://mangahub.io/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia_142/chapter-0

As for his behavior, imagine how he would end up if he didn't have his power. :D
https://mangahub.io/chapter/boku-no-hero-true-hero/chapter-3

Quirkless? Weight training is the answer to become one of the most strongest quirkless hero. (Rock Lee?) His attitude is holding him back. Since the beginning he should've stop comparing himself to other and focus solely on himself. Idolizing All Might to the point of having goods/figures. The answer were simple, become Batman or Ironman. Just team up with Mei Hatsume and have her create support gears.

Bruh you're comparing characters from different universes. Weight training wouldn't work in the MHA universe because unlike DBZ and Naruto where you can train your body over it's limit and then just eat and sleep a lot to recover completely, In the MHA universe, like in the real world there is a limit to how much you can train and Overworking from that will cause harm instead of benefits as mentioned by All might in the second chapter when Deku overworks himself. Addd to this Deku was 14 when he met All might and his body had limitations, then his limitations should be even lower at the age of <13. Also Rock Lee has Chakra in his body (he just can't use ninjustsu or Genjutsu) and can use the eight gates for tougher opponents, he can't just beat villians due to being trained.
And you're whole be batman or Iron Man, you seem to forget that one of the main reasons these people can do so is because they have seemingly limitless cash to fund them, Deku does not. Batman had enough resources to go and train with the world's top martial artists for 8-10 years something Deku can't do. Iron Man has a lot of things in his suits that don't exist in the MHA world like arc core reactors and Nano technology. The support items of MHA as the name suggests is to support the persons abilities. Giving anyone else Bakugo's gauntlets or Kaminari's sharpshooter gear wouldn't help them. Add to this both these men are born prodigies who had peak human intelligence and capability to reach peak human conditioning, something Deku is not.
Also the whole plot hole of why only make the gadgets for Deku would open hear. Unlike OFA, suits and gadgets can be made for everyone repeatedly so why would they only make one for Deku and not for others who already have powers and can be powered up further by them?


Well, in OPM universe, there's also Mumen Rider. Deku CAN do, he have internet at home. He can do his research on other hero's quirk, so he could have focus on self development. Whether it's martial art/gun/sword, he could do it on his own without someone there training him and be his emotional support. There are chara that start out alone by themselves to get to a certain physics, their work bares fruit when they learn survival skill/hero skill through academy.
The reason why I mention Rock Lee is mainly because of their mindset and determination to push oneself futher to be able to stand on the same stage next to other who are gifted.
As for the gadget and suit, yes everyone have them. But if you look at Mei Hatsumei's quirk. It have absolutely nothing to do with her intelligence and her skill of inventing new tools. If all her quirk does is zoom, she could literally create a advance tech scope goggle that does the same thing as her quirk which mean her quirk is nothing special and she's replacable with invention. HOWEVER, don't you look down on them. It's the same with quirk, it's the way you use them that make them unique. She could become a gunner/sniper. Deku could think of something unique for himself.

The thing with hero is...anyone can become a hero easily after they graduate in this setting. It's also available through means like general study, support, business etcs. Even if he didn't go to school, there are ideal hero which Stain talked about. Deku goal is always want to be a hero. It's limited and lack of ambitions. Think of Hokage>Shinobi /magic emperor>magic knight.
He should revise his goal to become the top #1 hero instead of just a hero.
Remember, this series started with him being quirkless to have the best op quirk power from someone else.
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xkazutox said:
A_Pli said:

Bruh you're comparing characters from different universes. Weight training wouldn't work in the MHA universe because unlike DBZ and Naruto where you can train your body over it's limit and then just eat and sleep a lot to recover completely, In the MHA universe, like in the real world there is a limit to how much you can train and Overworking from that will cause harm instead of benefits as mentioned by All might in the second chapter when Deku overworks himself. Addd to this Deku was 14 when he met All might and his body had limitations, then his limitations should be even lower at the age of <13. Also Rock Lee has Chakra in his body (he just can't use ninjustsu or Genjutsu) and can use the eight gates for tougher opponents, he can't just beat villians due to being trained.
And you're whole be batman or Iron Man, you seem to forget that one of the main reasons these people can do so is because they have seemingly limitless cash to fund them, Deku does not. Batman had enough resources to go and train with the world's top martial artists for 8-10 years something Deku can't do. Iron Man has a lot of things in his suits that don't exist in the MHA world like arc core reactors and Nano technology. The support items of MHA as the name suggests is to support the persons abilities. Giving anyone else Bakugo's gauntlets or Kaminari's sharpshooter gear wouldn't help them. Add to this both these men are born prodigies who had peak human intelligence and capability to reach peak human conditioning, something Deku is not.
Also the whole plot hole of why only make the gadgets for Deku would open hear. Unlike OFA, suits and gadgets can be made for everyone repeatedly so why would they only make one for Deku and not for others who already have powers and can be powered up further by them?


Well, in OPM universe, there's also Mumen Rider. Deku CAN do, he have internet at home. He can do his research on other hero's quirk, so he could have focus on self development. Whether it's martial art, he could do it on his own without someone there training him and be his emotional support. There are chara that start out alone by themselves to get to a certain physics, their work bares fruit when they learn survival skill/hero skill through academy.
The reason why I mention Rock Lee is mainly because of their mindset and determination to push oneself futher to be able to stand on the same stage next to other who are gifted.
As for the gadget and suit, yes everyone have them. But if you look at Mei Hatsumei's quirk. It have absolutely nothing to do with her intelligence and her skill of inventing new tools. If all her quirk does is zoom, she could literally create a advance tech scope goggle that does the same thing as her quirk which mean her quirk is nothing special and she's replacable with invention. HOWEVER, don't you look down on them. It's the same with quirk, it's the way you use them that make them unique. She could become a gunner/sniper. Deku could think of something unique for himself.

The thing with hero is...anyone can become a hero easily after they graduate in this setting. It's also available through means like general study, support, business etcs. Even if he didn't go to school, there are ideal hero which Stain talked about. Deku goal is always want to be a hero. It's limited and lack of ambitions. Think of Hokage>Shinobi /magic emperor>magic knight.
He should revise his goal to become the top #1 hero instead of just a hero.


Erm... did you even watch the first episode of hero academia?? He did revise his goals to become #1 Hero. What're you trying to say here? Can you please elaborate...

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White_Hollow said:
xkazutox said:


Well, in OPM universe, there's also Mumen Rider. Deku CAN do, he have internet at home. He can do his research on other hero's quirk, so he could have focus on self development. Whether it's martial art, he could do it on his own without someone there training him and be his emotional support. There are chara that start out alone by themselves to get to a certain physics, their work bares fruit when they learn survival skill/hero skill through academy.
The reason why I mention Rock Lee is mainly because of their mindset and determination to push oneself futher to be able to stand on the same stage next to other who are gifted.
As for the gadget and suit, yes everyone have them. But if you look at Mei Hatsumei's quirk. It have absolutely nothing to do with her intelligence and her skill of inventing new tools. If all her quirk does is zoom, she could literally create a advance tech scope goggle that does the same thing as her quirk which mean her quirk is nothing special and she's replacable with invention. HOWEVER, don't you look down on them. It's the same with quirk, it's the way you use them that make them unique. She could become a gunner/sniper. Deku could think of something unique for himself.

The thing with hero is...anyone can become a hero easily after they graduate in this setting. It's also available through means like general study, support, business etcs. Even if he didn't go to school, there are ideal hero which Stain talked about. Deku goal is always want to be a hero. It's limited and lack of ambitions. Think of Hokage>Shinobi /magic emperor>magic knight.
He should revise his goal to become the top #1 hero instead of just a hero.


Erm... did you even watch the first episode of hero academia?? He did revise his goals to become #1 Hero. What're you trying to say here? Can you please elaborate...


Woops, I might have forgot about that. Sorry I only wrote what I best remembered from watching an anime once. Not a big fan of watching any series more than once.

He shoul state it out more regularly like Naruto/Asta of what he trying to become, but I haven't heard of it this past year. Anyway, that wasn't my main point. I did try to compare him to what he should be without the quirk although I got side tracked
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Okay fair enough. I guess it's a given that you don't remember it. And you said it yourself that you don't do rewatch.

Tbh, if deku were to do the same thing as Hatsumei then, he'd not qualify as a hero. Only a support item technician, he could only be a sidekick at best. If that happens then we wouldn't have a battle shounen. And there won't be as much as people who'd buy the idea and get interested in this anime.

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Bruh you're comparing characters from different universes. Weight training wouldn't work in the MHA universe because unlike DBZ and Naruto where you can train your body over it's limit and then just eat and sleep a lot to recover completely, In the MHA universe, like in the real world there is a limit to how much you can train and Overworking from that will cause harm instead of benefits as mentioned by All might in the second chapter when Deku overworks himself. Addd to this Deku was 14 when he met All might and his body had limitations, then his limitations should be even lower at the age of <13. Also Rock Lee has Chakra in his body (he just can't use ninjustsu or Genjutsu) and can use the eight gates for tougher opponents, he can't just beat villians due to being trained.
And you're whole be batman or Iron Man, you seem to forget that one of the main reasons these people can do so is because they have seemingly limitless cash to fund them, Deku does not. Batman had enough resources to go and train with the world's top martial artists for 8-10 years something Deku can't do. Iron Man has a lot of things in his suits that don't exist in the MHA world like arc core reactors and Nano technology. The support items of MHA as the name suggests is to support the persons abilities. Giving anyone else Bakugo's gauntlets or Kaminari's sharpshooter gear wouldn't help them. Add to this both these men are born prodigies who had peak human intelligence and capability to reach peak human conditioning, something Deku is not.
Also the whole plot hole of why only make the gadgets for Deku would open hear. Unlike OFA, suits and gadgets can be made for everyone repeatedly so why would they only make one for Deku and not for others who already have powers and can be powered up further by them?


Well, in OPM universe, there's also Mumen Rider. Deku CAN do, he have internet at home. He can do his research on other hero's quirk, so he could have focus on self development. Whether it's martial art/gun/sword, he could do it on his own without someone there training him and be his emotional support. There are chara that start out alone by themselves to get to a certain physics, their work bares fruit when they learn survival skill/hero skill through academy.
The reason why I mention Rock Lee is mainly because of their mindset and determination to push oneself futher to be able to stand on the same stage next to other who are gifted.
As for the gadget and suit, yes everyone have them. But if you look at Mei Hatsumei's quirk. It have absolutely nothing to do with her intelligence and her skill of inventing new tools. If all her quirk does is zoom, she could literally create a advance tech scope goggle that does the same thing as her quirk which mean her quirk is nothing special and she's replacable with invention. HOWEVER, don't you look down on them. It's the same with quirk, it's the way you use them that make them unique. She could become a gunner/sniper. Deku could think of something unique for himself.

The thing with hero is...anyone can become a hero easily after they graduate in this setting. It's also available through means like general study, support, business etcs. Even if he didn't go to school, there are ideal hero which Stain talked about. Deku goal is always want to be a hero. It's limited and lack of ambitions. Think of Hokage>Shinobi /magic emperor>magic knight.
He should revise his goal to become the top #1 hero instead of just a hero.

Did we watch the same anime? Isn't the point you made at first basically Deku entire character. He has more than 13 notebooks worth of analysis on heroes, their quirks, what makes them popular, special moves, techniques and more. His biggest character trait is mainly how good of an analyst he is.
Also what are you on about of how it is also available through support, business and General study making heroes? Not everyone who graduates from U.A. gets to become a hero, that was the whole point of Shinsou's character and how he wanted to transfer from General studies to the Hero course. The students from the other course go to their own field, not the hero track.
Also your whole argument about how he can train on his own, did you miss my entire point of how he was a kid before meeting All might. There was such a limitation for how much he could train. Also No he can't train martial arts/sword or gun without someone's help, at least not properly. The last two shouldn't even need explainations how is a 14 year old supposed to get a sword or a Gun especially in a heavily weapon regulated country like Japan. And about him becoming a hero without a license, wasn't it stressed enough times that doing so is basically Vigilantism and is majorly punishable by law in the MHA world. There is an entire spin-off series about it.
MHA is a show that constantly puts focus on how there are so much limitations to what you can do without a proper quirk. Just take Aizawa for an example, he has a strong at times quirk and support items to help him, yet he was almost killed by a beginner Shigaraki (Not the current Manga one who can basically level a city) and a Nomu (Not even a high end). And he is someone who has trained himself a lot and is a pro.
Also are you really bringing up OPM? You do know OPM is basically a show that parodies tropes of Shounen and Superheroes. Don't tell me you are going to say he could have just done Saitama's training regime to be a hero.
In a way let me give a explanation you might understand better. In terms of the MHA world, Deku's training could take him probably as far a step downgrade version of Nighteye, as Nighteye has the advantage that after seeing the future so many times he can predict others moves faster, which Deku wouldn't have. As I mentioned before in the MHA world there is a proper limitation set on how much you can train and how stronger you can get by just training. Nighteye, Stain and Erasurehead are probably the best example of how far you can get with just training.Notice how all of these people are adults meaning they could have started proper training after reaching a certain age, which is actually canon for Stain. And here is the thing Nighteye gets killed on the first arc he is involved in even though he had the added advantage I previously mentioned due to his quirk, Stain though highly successful against quirked individuals has a massive advantage due to his quirk and also because no one knew what his quirk is. I mean one of the main reason he lost was because Deku figured out how his quirk worked and warned the others to avoid getting their blood ingested. And with Aizawa, I already mentioned what he ended up suffering.
At last I would like to add, the writer could have written Deku as a quirkless hero like he originally planned with Jack Midoriya (although all heroes were quirkless in that setting so it wasn't that special). He could have changed the limitations of the world and made it possible and maybe that version is something you would enjoy more.
But in my personal opinion, I actually enjoy this version more. I too thought about Deku being a quirkless hero before but For me one of the reasons I love MHA is because of the limitations that are set in the story. For me it would make the other characters look bad if a person could become better than them just by training, something they too could do plus their added abilities. Because frankly I love the fact that MHA constantly stresses the fact that everyone is giving their all but some are just ahead of the others because they have better quirks or they just do things differently or they are giving an extra few percent effort. For a quirkless person to Overtake those with quirks their effort should be a lot higher then the others which as I have mentioned can't be done due to the limitations of MHA unless everyone else was slacking off which would just make the side characters look terrible.
 
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I’m not a massive fan of BNHA but I thought Deku was one of the better characters. My main problem in BNHA is the sheer amount of side characters that feel pointless and take away time that could of been used on the main characters.
 
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I’m not a massive fan of BNHA but I thought Deku was one of the better characters. My main problem in BNHA is the sheer amount of side characters that feel pointless and take away time that could of been used on the main characters.

It’s funny you have that opinion because the main complaint of manga readers lately has been we aren’t seeing the side characters enough
 
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I’m not a massive fan of BNHA but I thought Deku was one of the better characters. My main problem in BNHA is the sheer amount of side characters that feel pointless and take away time that could of been used on the main characters.

It’s funny you have that opinion because the main complaint of manga readers lately has been we aren’t seeing the side characters enough
That’s surprising. I’m not sure how far ahead the manga is but I’ve always found that the main characters have never really reached their maximum potential and still have a long way in being developed, I’ve chocked this up to side characters often taking the lead role not giving the main characters much chance to develop.
 
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NGL my SO won't even watch the show because Deku is such a sniveling bish.

I think he has had the proper amount of injury/repercussions so far. I mean, he's just starting out, how mangled should he be?
 
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Honestly I don't like Deku that much either, he has a good heart but he's kind of annoying with his bitchy attitude, he's been doing it for 4 seasons now, by this point I expected him to change that attitude. That being said, I find Bakugo even more annoying, his screaming bitchy attitude is even worse than Deku. While I don't like Deku that much I don't hate him either but I definitely hate Bakugo.

Another of the problem from this anime is that it has way too many characters that feels underdeveloped and serve no other purpose but to be "filler" characters, this is the problem of animes/mangas having way too many characters but that's to be expected on this anime which happens to be about school kids characters (in a school obviously) trying to become a hero.
 
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Not even close.

BNHA's main problem is that it's a battle shounen that contains more drama than action.There wouldn't be any problems, if all of the stuff was good written, but pacing and writing are going from bad to average, rarely going beyond that level.

Fancy colours, bright superheroes with generic personalities(some of them actually show promise, but they progress so slowly...)and THICC girlz.That's more than enough for some.
Heroes that just want to save everyone and vilains that just want to destroy everything(except for Stain).
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Not even close.

BNHA's main problem is that it's a battle shounen that contains more drama than action.There wouldn't be any problems, if all of the stuff was good written, but pacing and writing are going from bad to average, rarely going beyond that level.

Fancy colours, bright superheroes with generic personalities(some of them actually show promise, but they progress so slowly...)and THICC girlz.That's more than enough for some.
Heroes that just want to save everyone and vilains that just want to destroy everything(except for Stain).

I can understand your initial statement. I actually enjoy the extra drama and I actually think the pacing is one of the best among the different Shounen I have watched but these are subjective opinions and I can understand if these are reasoning you don't like them.
But your later statement feel like you probably are misinterpreting the characters. The students have different reasonings to wanting to be a hero Deku feels saving others is the coolest thing to do, Bakugo wants to prove he is the best, Uraraka wants to make money to support her family, Iida wants to be like his brother, Todoroki wants to be his own person and accomplish what his father couldn't on his own, Mineta just wants to be popular, etc. Same with the villains, the villians we have got are the league, Stain, Overhaul and now Gentle. Among these the league is the only one who wants to destroy (and too we haven't got the reasoning for in anime). You prob understand stain. Overhaul basically wants to Overhaul society and he had an intricate plan of using the quirks erasing bullets to create a condition in the Hero World which would allow the Yakuza to become top dogs of the Underworld again as shown in episode 13. And Gentle, well I don't want to spoil it for you but let's just say his goal is far away from destroy.
 
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i kinda like the fact that he's simple. this show isnt meant to be that deep. just some fun shounen action show to lose yourself to for 24 minutes. and i liked the fact that deku always had something to strive to. he has a CLEAR motivation, he isn't just beating around the bush for nothing.



 
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I agree I think after season 1 he started becoming a bad protagonist. But I don't think Mirio is any better than him.
 
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Monochrosanity said:
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It’s funny you have that opinion because the main complaint of manga readers lately has been we aren’t seeing the side characters enough
That’s surprising. I’m not sure how far ahead the manga is but I’ve always found that the main characters have never really reached their maximum potential and still have a long way in being developed, I’ve chocked this up to side characters often taking the lead role not giving the main characters much chance to develop.
it's because the side characters are Far better then the main characters. expect Bakugou, the side characters and Bakugou are carrying the series.
 
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Mha fans will literally threaten you for talking bad of their lord and saviour deku. fact of the matter is, he IS the problem. Originally it is said that he works hard to get to where he is now but thats entirely false.

First off he gets free powers from all might and constantly asspulls his way through fights. He ends up one shotting villains and even getting out of mind control for no reason. Anything that happens plot wise revolves around him and changes in his favour.

As seasons go by he becomes more and more like the chosen one, similar to how Naruto became. Mirio had to go through all that just to make Deku look good even though he's clearly the better hero and more deserving to inherit all for one because he worked hard with his own powers. Deku getting the power from Eri was disgusting tbh because Mirio had to try so hard for nothing.

Deku is legit one of the worst shounen protagonists ever.
 
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Honestly I don't like Deku that much either, he has a good heart but he's kind of annoying with his bitchy attitude, he's been doing it for 4 seasons now, by this point I expected him to change that attitude. That being said, I find Bakugo even more annoying, his screaming bitchy attitude is even worse than Deku. While I don't like Deku that much I don't hate him either but I definitely hate Bakugo.


Bakugo deserves credit for being observant and calling out Deku for how unfair it is of him using someone else's power unlike the rest of the characters that suck Deku off
 
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Bakugo deserves credit for being observant and calling out Deku for how unfair it is of him using someone else's power unlike the rest of the characters that suck Deku off


I hate to disagree on that one man, Bakugo was being a dick to Deku even when Deku was quirkless, he's simply an annoying bully with a superiority complex.

I wish he lose something for good (like a limb or 2) to see if that character finally mellows out and start acting like a decent human being for once.
 
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Deku has been awful since season 2. End of discussion.
 
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Mha fans will literally threaten you for talking bad of their lord and saviour deku. fact of the matter is, he IS the problem. Originally it is said that he works hard to get to where he is now but thats entirely false.

First off he gets free powers from all might and constantly asspulls his way through fights. He ends up one shotting villains and even getting out of mind control for no reason. Anything that happens plot wise revolves around him and changes in his favour.

As seasons go by he becomes more and more like the chosen one, similar to how Naruto became. Mirio had to go through all that just to make Deku look good even though he's clearly the better hero and more deserving to inherit all for one because he worked hard with his own powers. Deku getting the power from Eri was disgusting tbh because Mirio had to try so hard for nothing.

Deku is legit one of the worst shounen protagonists ever.
Mha fans will literally threaten you for talking bad of their lord and saviour deku??? bullshit, you can diss Deku forevere. but say something bad about Bakugou that's how you get them triggered.
 
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