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Jan 7, 3:23 AM
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i suggest this descriptions

10 masterpiece
9 amazing
8 great
7 very good
6 good
5 average
4 bad
3 very bad
2 awful or hateful or painful
1 horrible

this is what MAL has at the moment
10 masterpiece
9 great
8 very good
7 good
6 fine
5 average
4 bad
3 very bad
2 horrible
1 appalling

i reference some of it on the IGN new scoring descriptions btw here https://youtu.be/y6HYAOYVWXU



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Jan 7, 8:15 AM

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It doesn't change anything but still I agree with this suggestion
 
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Jan 7, 10:09 AM

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There is no need to implement this since they're is nothing wrong with the current score names.
The word elitist is stupid since it's just used by people who can't defend their favorite shows and use it on people who criticize their favorite shows.


 
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GreenClock said:
There is no need to implement this since they're is nothing wrong with the current score names.


my thinking is that fine (6) is so similar to good (7) and that 8 and 9 score descriptions needs some better descriptions like how IGN does it since "very good" as 8 is somewhat lacking that impact, also appalling is not that of a common word?
 
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Yeah who the hell uses the word appalling
 
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Yeah who the hell uses the word appalling


it might be some political correctness stuff lol
 
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I’m quite happy with the current score description. Their current descriptions are the ones that I think best suit them and are similar to what my thought process of what a 6 and so on is. Although, I doubt I would lose any sleep if your changes were implemented.


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I don't mind but what is even a point?
Most MAL users don't use full scale or even abide by score description anyway.




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Xstasy said:
I don't mind but what is even a point?
Most MAL users don't use full scale or even abide by score description anyway.


well for those people that uses the score descriptions like im starting doing now i would like this changes

if most people do not use it then most will not mind this suggestion too
 
Jan 7, 11:03 AM
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I mean I wouldn't be against it but I'm not sure how much it really matters. At the end of the day it's still the exact same 1-10 scale regardless of what words you put beside them, and people will always end up using said scale however they feel like themselves

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Jan 7, 11:06 AM
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ok i change the last poll option to this "neutral (im fine either way) "
 
Jan 7, 1:45 PM

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I'm against proposed change because the difference is insignificant, and there will be people unhappy with the change who will want to go back to old words or get something different this time. Waste of time and manpower either way.
If you don't agree with MAL's choice of words, you can just put on your profile what each score means to you, a lot of people did something like this.
I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes.

Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that.
It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers.
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Whatever scoring system IGN has.
 
Jan 7, 3:01 PM

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for me fine seems too similar to average and the jump between great and masterpiece is too big.
Awful and horrible also sound too similar. Appalling makes quite a distinction between a score of 1 and 2.

so I'm quite taken with your suggestion



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I don't really care for the most part, but "average" has always meant fuck all on the scale.
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Jan 7, 4:26 PM
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Hakaminah said:
I'm against proposed change because the difference is insignificant, and there will be people unhappy with the change who will want to go back to old words or get something different this time. Waste of time and manpower either way.
If you don't agree with MAL's choice of words, you can just put on your profile what each score means to you, a lot of people did something like this.


this is so easy to implement it will only take 1 manpower and 5 minutes at most to do

plus if majority of people do not care about this then it will at least benefit us that uses the score descriptions the right way

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how about awful be change to hateful or painful?
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Jan 8, 1:29 AM

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@deg Horrible, dreadful and awful are synonymous. Even painful doesn't do justice imo. So I still think appalling gives me the worst feeling, but I do prefer your higher score replacements

Those three suggestions for score of 2 would work if appalling was kept as 1



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deg said:
the right way

And with that small bit your suggestion became completely invalid. Congratulations.
I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes.

Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that.
It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers.
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Jan 8, 4:17 AM
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Meh. Seems exactly the same to me. Perhaps it would be better for there to be no description at all.




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Hakaminah said:
deg said:
the right way

And with that small bit your suggestion became completely invalid. Congratulations.


i should have said the default way then and not the right way
 
Jan 8, 9:00 AM

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No good reason to change anything. Same problem as with the previous system: Too many descpriptions. In fact I can't even really differentiate between "a little bit shit" and "a little bit more shit" and "a lot of shit" (scores 3, 2, 1) - and I'd be even okay if there was only 1,3 ,5 (no 2 and 4 to use) and some more score options at the top.

But they won't change anything.

As for the descriptions at least less could be used. And I won't vote a yes (I'm neutral here ... both versions are crap the existing one and the one suggested) unless it is something like:

1 description
2
3 description
4
5
(des ription)
6
7
8 description
9
10 description

That would totally be enough. (Maybe then more people would care about descriptions. In fact I'm using - as most others - my own system mapped to the 1-10 at MAL atm.)

Edit: The 6 as "fine" seems a bit problematic though ... if you change that and people really use it strictly according to the descripton. (+ the 7 if this gets a bit better as well.) "fine" seems more like "okay-ish" and a "good" would make it sound better with the new desciptions and people might need to change their scores and get unhappy - if they previously cared a lot about the definitions.

In fact doing the opposite would be better. ;) (Fine at 7 and then good, great, masterpiece or something like that. Then less people would criticize that people with meanscore 6-7 are scoring too high or are "too easy to entertain" - if they mostly liked only "fine" stuff.)
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It doesn't really help with people who don't use the descriptions like me. I just use the scores to rank all my series comparatively.

To me, the score only tells me level of enjoyment, but it has nothing to do with the level of quality (what the score descriptions are).
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Jan 14, 12:28 PM

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I don't think inconsequential changes will ever occur and 6 shouldn't be considered good.
 
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I am appalled by this horrible suggestion. The descriptions are fine as they are. They don't have to be great or a masterpiece. As long as the average Joe understands them it's a good indicator. They're not bad, much less very bad. In fact I'd say that they're in general very good.

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Orhunaa said:
I am appalled by this horrible suggestion. The descriptions are fine as they are. They don't have to be great or a masterpiece. As long as the average Joe understands them it's a good indicator. They're not bad, much less very bad. In fact I'd say that they're in general very good.


*claps* that wordplay for the score descriptions was sugoi
 
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Orhunaa said:
I am appalled by this horrible suggestion. The descriptions are fine as they are. They don't have to be great or a masterpiece. As long as the average Joe understands them it's a good indicator. They're not bad, much less very bad. In fact I'd say that they're in general very good.

Yep, I will rate your comment as masterpiece.

Anyway, I don't get how 5 is avarage since in the 1 to 10 scale the actual avarage is 5.5
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Jan 15, 8:37 AM
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10: best and 1: worst would suffice and it won't throw arbitrary descriptions in your face.
 
Jan 15, 9:19 AM

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And just like IGN, MAL users use only the 7 and up scores. I would rather have them all changed and instead of having 4 different ratings implying the anime was bad only have 2, 2-bad 1-terrible, and have 3 and up being positive scores.
 
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The system the way it is alright although I've never really been a fan of 6's description being "fine" since that can be used as a really high grade compliment like how something can be a "fine wine" or how it's sometimes used in such a way that it means something is just serviceable like "eh it's fine"

I'm for ridding "fine" and moving 9,8, and 7 down a spot like you did and adding "amazing" for 9 but I like the way 1-5 is currently.


Edit~~ Also I use the word appalling :( I've always though of it as fun to use lol
 
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i actullat really enjoy the score descriptions, so ya
 
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No need to change score descriptions. Nothing's gonna change even if you change the descriptions.
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I don't consider 6/10 good at all. 6/10 is a not bad or decent (and sometimes pretty good).

It would probably be better without descriptions. The numbers are up to interpretation of the user. But the current description is closest to my own use.
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utterly pointless. and if the descriptions were to be changed, which if i wasn't clear enough already, i don't think they should be, it should be done in a more scientific way.

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I would say I'm neutral, but lean slightly towards yes.

The thing is, I think no matter how they change the descriptions, there's no way everyone is going to be happy with them. It's also not the most important thing to be focusing on. But, if they had nothing better to be working on, then sure, I'd say go for it. But there are just so many other things that would need to take priority over this.

At the same time, it really would not take that much energy to change, would it? So, yeah, neutral/yes.

My main problem with the current description is this part:

8 very good
7 good
6 fine

5 average
4 bad
3 very bad
2 horrible


It makes no sense.

5 is neutral, so 6 & 4 should be opposites, 7 & 3 should be opposites, and 8 & 2 should be opposites.

If 7 is good, then 3 should be bad. Why is 3 "very bad" if 7 is just "good" and not "very good"?

The problem is 6 says "fine" and there is not an opposite for 6 in this list. 6's opposite is 4, and yet 4 says "bad" which is the opposite of good, not the opposite of fine.

The opposite of fine, in my opinion, is "poor".

So, I'd redo this part of the list like this:

8 very good
7 good
6 fine

5 average
4 poor
3 bad
2 very bad


Strictly just so that it actually makes sense with 6's opposite being 4, 7's opposite being 3, and 8's opposite being 2, since they all center around 5 being average.

The list you propose does fix the issue though, by removing "fine" and going straight for "good" and keeping the opposites in-tact. 2 being awful is okay, but "painful" or "hateful", not so much...
I don't see 7 as "very good", it's only good, but that's just my opinion and goes back to the whole "you can't please everyone" thing.
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yep this suggestion will only take like 5 minutes at most by 1 person programmer lol so this change is so easy to implement

i just want better defaults since ye a lot of people have different score descriptions anyway but for the people like me that uses the defaults then i like this change to be implemented
 
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yep this suggestion will only take like 5 minutes at most by 1 person programmer lol so this change is so easy to implement

i just want better defaults since ye a lot of people have different score descriptions anyway but for the people like me that uses the defaults then i like this change to be implemented


why do you bother with using the defaults if you'd rather to it another way?
 
Jan 18, 9:18 PM
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I suggest allowing .5 scoring because i personally there are many anime that don't fit within the same levels of just simply 4 or 6. Some are inbetween and i'd agree the naming could be changed around.

This is how i try and do it even if some think its "harsh":

10:Masterful
9.5:Incredible
9:Exceptional
8.5:Splendid
8:Significant
7.5:Enjoyable
7:Competent
6.5:Adequate
6:Average
5.5:Plain
5:Medicure
4.5:Boring
4:Dreadful
3.5:Distasteful
3:Terrible
2.5:Horrible
2:Appealing
1.5:Atrocious
1:Rubbish
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yep this suggestion will only take like 5 minutes at most by 1 person programmer lol so this change is so easy to implement

i just want better defaults since ye a lot of people have different score descriptions anyway but for the people like me that uses the defaults then i like this change to be implemented


why do you bother with using the defaults if you'd rather to it another way?


i do not want to do it another way? im just suggesting to change the defaults and if others that use the defaults agrees with me
 
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