Season 3 might be very confusing if you don't understand the problems in season 2

Stoorainclaire said:
can anyone tell me if season 3 is the final season for this anime?

ShiroHachi said:
I will try to avoid spoilers and only talk about the plot in season 2. Before that, I apologize if my english is rather bad. I feel it's quite important to know because the contents in season 3 will be more difficult than season 2 especially for Anime only. This anime fails to adapt some Hachiman important monologue, without understanding what happened in season 2, season 3 would be very confusing.

1. What's Yukino's problem? Why is she so angry at Hachiman after that confession scene?

First you need to at least know about the relationship in Hayama group. Hachiman and Yukino believed that the relationship in Hayama group was superficial. The proof is that Hayama did not answer Yumiko's feelings even though he knew, Ebina and Hayama did not want to hear Tobe's confession, because they knew that their relationship would be destroyed when Ebina rejected Tobe, their relationship was so weak that they tried to maintain the status quo. This is what Hachiman and Yukino believe to be a superficial relationship. So Yukino was not just angry just because she was jealous or she was just hurt to see hachiman sacrifice again but she was angry because Hachiman ruined the precious thing they shared and believed in together. Hachiman looks so hypocritical because he protects things that they both believe are worthless, a superficial relationships. Hachiman was aware of that, that's why he called himself the biggest liar, and Hachiman also did the same thing with Yui and Yukino.

2. Why did Yukino run for Student Council President?
Iroha's problem gave Yukino a reason to act, yukino is a person who acts when there is a reason to allow her to act, just like Hachiman who acts because Komachi gives him a reason. Yukino wanted to prove that the relationship of three of them wasn't superficial. She wanted to prove that their relationship was not only because of the Service Club, which would be broken when they separated or there were problems like the Hayama group. She wanted to tell Hachiman that even if they separated and she became the student council president, their relationship would remain the same, as Meguri-senpai had imagined. Unfortunately this is not understood by Yui and Hachiman, Yui even clearly considers their relationship to be very weak and afraid that the service club will be broken, a place where she can be close to Hachiman ... and Yukino. Yukino was disappointed with what Yui and Hachiman were doing. That's why she said "I thought you would understand." to hachiman at the end of the arc. She gave up on saving their relationship and chose to follow what Yui and Hachiman wanted. She continued to put on a "give up" smile during the Christmas event arc. That was why Yukino was confused by Hachiman's genuine confession on eps 8 and then she ran away, she didn't know what they wanted anymore.

3.What happens in the final episode?

Yui realized that their relationship could not continue like this, she finally knew Yukino's feelings. She made a selfish proposal to maintain their status quo, which is "I want everything." She wants Yukino to give up, be it hachiman or another relationship but Yui wants Yukino to remain her friend, she wants to keep their status quo, this will solve Yukino's dependency problem with Hachiman and their relationship problem. But Hachiman refused this proposal, this was not what he wanted, not what Yukino wanted too, he wanted Yukino to solve her own problems. This is not genuine thing that hachiman wants because he wants to reach it with hard work, not something given and full of lies.
For yukino dependency problem, and what is genuine, it will be clear in season 3.

Gandheezy said:
Thank you for the explanation. The most unbelievable thing about the show is that high school kids would take friendships that seriously, haha. People don't often realize at that age how powerful the relationship between friends can be.

One question, on top of all that's happening here as stated above, am I reading it right that both Yui and Yukino have a crush on Hachiman and that all three don't want to acknowledge it? I mean Yukino is obvious but Yui is harder to read on this subject.

25Yards said:
Seeing that we are slowly closing onto Season 3 in about a week I would like to see if I can re-asnwer or offer an alternate take #3 for new viewers as I felt the ending scene of Season 2 was the one of the most confusing scenes.

It all begins mainly with what the problem is. The problem in this friendship is that there is a love triangle between Hachiman, Yui, and Yukino. It is evident to even Haruno that Yukino and Yui both have crushes on Hachiman and this is creating tension between the group. Haruno believes that this triangle will destroy the friendship. In order to solve this problem Yui decides to create a plan by bringing them all out on a date to the aquarium. Before enacting this plan, Yui realizes that she does not actually have a chance with Hachiman. Hachiman is obviously in love with Yukino and Yukino in love with Hachiman. Yui and Hachiman just never had the same chemistry that Yukino and Hachiman had together. This is evident through the rollercoaster scene and the infirmary scene. Yui decides to break up this "love triangle" and stop this endless cycle. This endless cycle is symbolized by the ferris wheel where they all keep returning back to their original state. Their friendship has the "destroy build destroy" cycle, Yui hopes through her plan that they can end this cycle and move forward. By removing this love triangle tension, Yui hopes that there friendship can become genuine.

The plan goes as follows, Yui's wants to make Yukino confess to Hachiman ending this love triangle between them as Yukino and Hachiman would most likely start a relationship. However, a key thing to note is that Yui would be denying her own true feelings. Remember the only reason that Yui joined the club in the first place was to make cookies for Hachiman whom she had a crush on. By giving Hachiman the cookies outside the aquarium, she hopes to make Yukino also give the cookies too. When this part of the plan initially fails as Yukino is midst a mental breakdown, Yui initiates her "own" part of the plan. While most of Yui's plan had good intentions, there were slight hints of selfishness too. This is where most people are confused. Yui also imagines a scenario, despite the slight and minuscule odds of this occurring, that Yukino give control of the friendship over to Yui and Yui and Hachiman start a relationship by themselves. (This is the part where Yukino is stuttering "I would be ok with that") However Hachiman instantly disagrees because this is selfish and not genuine at all. Yui knew this interjection by Hachiman would occur all along, like I said she was hoping for that slight chance. Hachiman believes that Yukino giving full control to Yui is not genuine because Yukino's does not have a say in what occurs. By having Yui dictate Yukino's life is no different from how her life was before hence her dependency issue. He also realizes that Yui's whole entire plan from the very beginning was bullshit too. Hachiman knows that Yui has a crush on him and that suppressing true feelings will put Yui through hell. Hachiman rather that they all tell their feelings for each other without any bullshit or lies. In a way, a genuine relationship is progress through difficulty and hardship. Yukino interjects them both showing her for the first time taking initiative and ask for her own request.

Sorry this may have been both long and confusing but I think it is very vital to understand season two's finale in order to understand season 3.

Stoorainclaire said:
can anyone tell me if season 3 is the final season for this anime?

find_your_end695 said:
Maybe I will rewatch in english dub.
Could anyone tell me if the english dub version is worth watching

25Yards said:
It all begins mainly with what the problem is. The problem in this friendship is that there is a love triangle between Hachiman, Yui, and Yukino. It is evident to even Haruno that Yukino and Yui both have crushes on Hachiman and this is creating tension between the group. Haruno believes that this triangle will destroy the friendship. In order to solve this problem Yui decides to create a plan by bringing them all out on a date to the aquarium. Before enacting this plan, Yui realizes that she does not actually have a chance with Hachiman. Hachiman is obviously in love with Yukino and Yukino in love with Hachiman. Yui and Hachiman just never had the same chemistry that Yukino and Hachiman had together. This is evident through the rollercoaster scene and the infirmary scene. Yui decides to break up this "love triangle" and stop this endless cycle. This endless cycle is symbolized by the ferris wheel where they all keep returning back to their original state. Their friendship has the "destroy build destroy" cycle, Yui hopes through her plan that they can end this cycle and move forward. By removing this love triangle tension, Yui hopes that there friendship can become genuine.

The plan goes as follows, Yui's wants to make Yukino confess to Hachiman ending this love triangle between them as Yukino and Hachiman would most likely start a relationship. However, a key thing to note is that Yui would be denying her own true feelings. Remember the only reason that Yui joined the club in the first place was to make cookies for Hachiman whom she had a crush on. By giving Hachiman the cookies outside the aquarium, she hopes to make Yukino also give the cookies too. When this part of the plan initially fails as Yukino is midst a mental breakdown, Yui initiates her "own" part of the plan. While most of Yui's plan had good intentions, there were slight hints of selfishness too. This is where most people are confused. Yui also imagines a scenario, despite the slight and minuscule odds of this occurring, that Yukino give control of the friendship over to Yui and Yui and Hachiman start a relationship by themselves. (This is the part where Yukino is stuttering "I would be ok with that") However Hachiman instantly disagrees because this is selfish and not genuine at all. Yui knew this interjection by Hachiman would occur all along, like I said she was hoping for that slight chance. Hachiman believes that Yukino giving full control to Yui is not genuine because Yukino's does not have a say in what occurs. By having Yui dictate Yukino's life is no different from how her life was before hence her dependency issue. He also realizes that Yui's whole entire plan from the very beginning was bullshit too. Hachiman knows that Yui has a crush on him and that suppressing true feelings will put Yui through hell.

Stoorainclaire said:
can anyone tell me if season 3 is the final season for this anime?

Luuji222 said:
I did not read the LN. but based on where S2 left, I’m pretty sure there must be some confession or something that made this the last season.

progenx0 said:


1 you're confused. Hachiman does NOT know about the love triangle. Yui is the only one who's shown Hachi love/affection. she even indirectly confessed to Hachiman after Iroha won the StudentCouncil Presidency. Yukinon has only shown Hachi digust, disdain, and eventually tolerance, and friendliness. Hachi does NOT know about Yuikinon's gift in her purse during the 'aquarium date'. it's in and around Valentine's Day where girls give gifts like chocolate and Yui has given Hachiman cookies ONCE AGAIN after the 'aquarium date' and declares "i want to win it all." which means Hachi as a BF and Yukinon as a best friend. Hachiman flashes back to those cookies in episode1 "charcoal like you get from the hardware store" to quote Hachiman.

2 big sis Haruno doesn't care about the triangle. she actually only cares about being entertained by the trio. since 'love triangles' are so common she calls 'the club' boring and 'fake'. Haruno and their mom Mrs.Yukinoshita are OBVIOUSLY modeled after Cinderella's Step mother and step sisters. even though there's only one 'blood sister' the parallels are obvious.

3 Yui and Hachiman have the 'romance'. Yukinon and Hachiman ONLY have confrontational arguments and he defers to her as 'the club leader'. even Hachi comments before he starts the 'Elect Iroha Scheme' ; "How many times have I ever contradicted Yukinoshita or gone against her wishes?" if you try the old 'love=hate' and 'you only fight with the ones you love' arguments you're wrong. Yui gives Hachiman more grief than you give her credit for. what present does Hachiman give Yui for her 'mistaken birthday'? a collar for her dog Sable, that dog is what connects the two of them. what gift does he give Yukinon for her birthday? a pair of blue-light blocking reading glasses because she fiddles with her laptop alot. that gift shows NO CONNECTION between the two characters. it only shows Hachiman's high level of observation powers.

4 Hachiman knows something that Haruno and Mrs. Yukinoshita have made him realize about Yukinon. she's a follower. she models herself after the strongest person in her life at the time. Yukinon trailed after her 'big sis' in everything for over a decade. Mrs. Yukinoshita ruled their family with an iron fist and even Yukinon herself said "I was merely the good little girl that went along with everything I was told to do." the anime screws up several things with Yukinon's past, including when she went to school with Hayato as well as when she went 'overseas for school'. Yukinon mentions being bullied with having to take her recorder home every day and her 'outside shoes' being hidden 40 something times. she also goes on to mention 'a group of girls who tried to take me down, but they couldn't improve themselves enough to beat me.' the shoes and recorder OBVIOUSLY happened in Japan because nowhere else do i know of where bullying of that type happens. so the 'group of girls' had to happen while Yukinon was overseas. now, it isn't mentioned if Haruno was educated overseas but the Yukinoshita parents OBVIOUSLY treated their three years younger daughter different. if the family traveled overseas too? i doubt it, it was probably a boarding school. Yukinon mentions 'her father's company' so i'm guessing his family's business. so MAYBE he worked overseas and took his family... but if he's been in the Prefectural Electorate? no. he's stayed in Japan for MANY years. if Mrs. Yukinoshita left? no. BIG political no no even in Japan. the 'happily married political couple' is still a thing in Japan as well. so i'm pretty much 100% sure Yukinon went to boarding school for middle school and learned a little more independence. the Yukinoshita family is obviously letting Yukinon live alone. would they have suggested this on their own? maybe. maybe Yukinon wanted it for herself? remember Mrs. Yukinoshita and her self-righteous speech in-front of Yukinon's apartment building facing the trio after the 'Valentine's Chocolate Class Event'? 'i've indulged you long enough' and so on? so maybe the Yukinoshita parents are trying to foster more independence with their daughter. but, she's going liberal arts for school year 3. just like Hachiman and Yui.

5 i do agree with you on the Hachiman wanting Yukinon to decide for herself. like i said in 4. he's found out she's a follower. Yui is now the strongest person in Yukinon's life and she's modeling herself too much on Yui.

i guess we'll see what happens with everything in S3. but i DO NOT think Yui is willing to give Hachiman to Yukinon as a boyfriend.

bastek66 said:
Can someone sum up what happened in S2?

cchigu said:
@bastek66 @Rinji-

Its been a long time I reread some stuff but, this is what happened, more or less:

- Volume 7: During the school trip, 8man, being a douche as always, confesses to Ebina Hina so that Tobe could be saved from getting rejected. This made Yukinon and Yui furious.

- Volume 8: Isshiki Iroha gets introduced. She wanted to withdraw from the StuCo election and made a request to Service Club. Yukinon takes on the request solo and tells 8man and Yui to shoo away. Yukinon decides to run for the presidency herself. Even Yui decides to run for the presidency herself since no Yukinon meant no Service Club. 8man, being a manipulative bitch, is able to manipulate Irohasu into not withdrawing her candidacy.

- Volume 9: Autistic 8man, for the first time, is able to lay open his own feelings and confronts both the girls by telling them he was not looking for something superficial, he wanted something "genuine" out of their relationship. Both girls back down and Iroha becomes the President of StuCo.

- Volume 10: Time to make a decision between science/liberal arts. Surprisingly, Yukinon chooses Liberal Arts. Coward 8man confronts Hayama Hayato face to face during the marathon, chad Hayato, very contradictory to his nature, says "I hate you", bluntly, to bitch 8man. Turns out, during childhood, Hayato was not able to "save" Yukinon and tells pathetic 8man to not make the same mistake as he did.

- Volume 11: Valentine's day. At the end of the volume, Yui forcefully makes the main trio to go on an aquarium date. Yukinon is not able to hand over her handmade cookies. Season 2/Volume 11 ends on a cliffhanger with Yukinon saying "I want to make a reques. I need both y'all's help."

ShiroHachi said:

25Yards said:

1 you're confused. Hachiman does NOT know about the love triangle. Yui is the only one who's shown Hachi love/affection. she even indirectly confessed to Hachiman after Iroha won the StudentCouncil Presidency. Yukinon has only shown Hachi digust, disdain, and eventually tolerance, and friendliness.

RegulusX said:
I'm glad I understand it without reading the source material. It was pretty easy to understand if you focus on the subtitles and comprehend their thoughts