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Dec 8, 2019 10:21 AM
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I liked him, he talked about stuff not many rappers had the balls to do. With great flow and beautiful imagery, I may add. What I would give to watch his sound evolve. RIP

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/juice-wrld-dead-obit-923765/
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Dec 8, 2019 10:22 AM
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might be drug related seizure RIP and 21 years old is fucking young
 
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might be drug related seizure RIP and 21 years old is fucking young
had the same thought, seems like the most logical explanation.

he was a talented artist, really sad to see him go so young. RIP Jarad.
 
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So many musicians of all sorts dying lately.

Could have been lean with codein and promethazine. Former can cause seizure while later depress breathing. Also could have been xanax which also can cause depressed breathing and more rarely seizures. However he was trying to stop doing drugs so much so in theory it also could have been his body going into withdrawls from something.
https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/12/juice-wrld-lean-cough-syrup-drugs/

He on multiple songs suggested he's probably going to die from his drug use
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Dec 8, 2019 7:38 PM
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traed said:
So many musicians of all sorts dying lately.


He on multiple songs suggested he's probably going to die from his drug use


"… What's the 27 Club?
We ain't making it past 21"

Juice WRLD - Legends

It's kinda spooky how he riddled his death everywhere on his songs. But I mean that's who he is.
 
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ohml said:
traed said:
So many musicians of all sorts dying lately.


He on multiple songs suggested he's probably going to die from his drug use


"… What's the 27 Club?
We ain't making it past 21"

Juice WRLD - Legends

It's kinda spooky how he riddled his death everywhere on his songs. But I mean that's who he is.


he riddled it? or maybe he planned it all along?
 
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deg said:
ohml said:


"… What's the 27 Club?
We ain't making it past 21"

Juice WRLD - Legends

It's kinda spooky how he riddled his death everywhere on his songs. But I mean that's who he is.


he riddled it? or maybe he planned it all along?


Nah what I meant is that I felt like he has foreshadowed his death a shit ton. But like most of his music is about sadness and depression so I wouldn't call it an astute observation
 
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That song Legends is about lil peep (died at 21) and xxxTentacion (died at 20) and Juice WRLD was concerned he would wind up the same

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The music video for Black & White too where he attends his own memorial for a drug related death.
 
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This is really sad news. I wasn't the biggest fan of his flow and style, but there's no doubt he's a talented individual. With the way he foreshadowed his own death, it feels like XXXTentacion all over again.
 
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Goes to show how toxic rap culture is.

The music industry as a whole is bad enough but rap really takes it to the next level. Perhaps it's time to stop idolising crime, violence and drugs. Perhaps the chances of a rap artist making it past 22 would increase then.
 
Dec 9, 2019 2:54 AM
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Railey2 said:
Goes to show how toxic rap culture is.

The music industry as a whole is bad enough but rap really takes it to the next level. Perhaps it's time to stop idolising crime, violence and drugs. Perhaps the chances of a rap artist making it past 22 would increase then.


I think all genres have their flaws. I can think of K-Pop stars not being allowed to date unless its approved by their managers. Classical musicians hating their instrument but since that's their only source of income they keep doing it. I doubt this is a credible source but have you seen the movie, "A Star is Born"?

You are right though, they glorify some bad shit like lean, violence, etc. That's something not to be fucked with but I see friends chugging that at parties cus they see Lil pump do it. I hate it.
 
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Railey2 said:
Goes to show how toxic rap culture is.

The music industry as a whole is bad enough but rap really takes it to the next level. Perhaps it's time to stop idolising crime, violence and drugs. Perhaps the chances of a rap artist making it past 22 would increase then.

His songs referenced drugs on a personal note and made a negative point of them just not a overly preechy way. Though as that article i posted points out he started using lean because of a song by Future that glorified lean. Anyway it's not guaranteed drugs caused his death. For example he was at an airport. Maybe he had a long flight which caused a clot in his leg from sitting so long which travelled giving him a stroke. This is totally plausible.

Everything from rap to rock to metal to country to pop to raggae to industrial to darkwave to dancehall to techno to trance to disco has songs about those topics you mention each in their own way. Art immitates life more than life immitates art.
 
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traed said:

Everything from rap to rock to metal to country to pop to raggae to industrial to darkwave to dancehall to techno to trance to disco has songs about those topics you mention each in their own way. Art immitates life more than life immitates art.
yes of course it's all the same, there are no different degrees of acceptance of self-destructive behaviour in different scenes, they all somewhat do it so therefore it's all equal.
And there certainly isn't a causal link either.


Seriously traed, why even make points like that? You're the last person I'd expect to have a centrist streak. Rap-culture is obviously one of the least healthy cultures, and it shows.
 
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Railey2 said:
traed said:

Everything from rap to rock to metal to country to pop to raggae to industrial to darkwave to dancehall to techno to trance to disco has songs about those topics you mention each in their own way. Art immitates life more than life immitates art.
yes of course it's all the same, there are no different degrees of acceptance of self-destructive behaviour in different scenes, they all somewhat do it so therefore it's all equal.
And there certainly isn't a causal link either.


Seriously traed, why even make points like that? You're the last person I'd expect to have a centrist streak. Rap-culture is obviously one of the least healthy cultures, and it shows.

It could be interpreted you were implying it's the worst in all of those individually not just together. I was just implying it's not unique nor worst in every single one. That doesn't mean I think everything is equal and you very well should know that so stop with the shitty strawman arguments.

You're the one using a center right wing talking point in that you're blaming the culture itself not focusing on the material conditions that form such cultures in the first place which in this case a combination of socioeconomic backgrounds and record label marketing strategies among other things.
 
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traed said:
Railey2 said:
yes of course it's all the same, there are no different degrees of acceptance of self-destructive behaviour in different scenes, they all somewhat do it so therefore it's all equal.
And there certainly isn't a causal link either.


Seriously traed, why even make points like that? You're the last person I'd expect to have a centrist streak. Rap-culture is obviously one of the least healthy cultures, and it shows.

It could be interpreted you were implying it's the worst in all of those individually not just together. I was just implying it's not unique nor worst in every single one. That doesn't mean I think everything is equal and you very well should know that so stop with the shitty strawman arguments.

You're the one using a center right wing talking point in that you're blaming the culture itself not focusing on the material conditions that form such cultures in the first place which in this case a combination of socioeconomic backgrounds and record label marketing strategies among other things.
imo it's a feedback loop.

Culture influences art, which influences culture, which influences art, and so on. And obviously there are other feedback loops between socioeconomic factors and culture, so there you go. Everything affects everything when you look at systems like this, I hope this take is leftist enough for your taste.
Not what I meant to talk about though, I was merely pointing out that rap-culture is one shitty factor that contributes to this whole mess, mostly because it's the one that is most apparent and most relevant to this thread because it relates directly to the deceased artists life and work. That's all.


Also, I don't get the relevance of bringing up the fact that [these themes are present in almost all forms of media/other genres], unless you're trying to handwave it.
 
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traed said:
Railey2 said:
yes of course it's all the same, there are no different degrees of acceptance of self-destructive behaviour in different scenes, they all somewhat do it so therefore it's all equal.
And there certainly isn't a causal link either.


Seriously traed, why even make points like that? You're the last person I'd expect to have a centrist streak. Rap-culture is obviously one of the least healthy cultures, and it shows.

It could be interpreted you were implying it's the worst in all of those individually not just together. I was just implying it's not unique nor worst in every single one. That doesn't mean I think everything is equal and you very well should know that so stop with the shitty strawman arguments.

You're the one using a center right-wing talking point in that you're blaming the culture itself not focusing on the material conditions that form such cultures in the first place which in this case a combination of socioeconomic backgrounds and record label marketing strategies among other things.


This hood rap grimey stuff should have never made it into pop culture imo, It's open to impressionable people willing to do whatever it takes for their 15 minutes of fame. Real artistry found in rap is overshadowed by saying Gucci gang 84 times and what you previously said, talking about crime and drugs.




 
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@Railey2
Something like a feedback loop. It's difficult to reply from the jumping back and forth between the music industry, music subcultures, and art since for each there is a differet explaationn.

Because it sounded so similar to complaints from people about rap music so it's easy to read it as being an out of place tactless comment taking a jab at the artist as if he is part of the problem you describe. I was trying to add perspective.

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Started with ganster rap as you know. I don't know how the current wave got kicked up since it seemed like it was moving away from that for a while.
 
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traed said:
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Something like a feedback loop. It's difficult to reply from the jumping back and forth between the music industry, music subcultures, and art since for each there is a different explanation.

Because it sounded so similar to complaints from people about rap music so it's easy to read it as being an out of place tactless comment taking a jab at the artist as if he is part of the problem you describe. I was trying to add perspective.

@ohml
Started with ganster rap as you know. I don't know how the current wave got kicked up since it seemed like it was moving away from that for a while.
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I suppose I've seen too many dumb centrist takes, so I jumped to conclusions and interpreted your comment in the same vein, because it kinda read like that. My bad.
 
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For example he was at an airport. Maybe he had a long flight which caused a clot in his leg from sitting so long which travelled giving him a stroke. This is totally plausible.
Totally plausible, however, not equally. Anything is "totally plausible" to a degree. A negligible probability of me dying from a motorcycle crash is x much and I don't even ride motorcycles. It still doesn't make sense.

Let's face it. 21 year old, not overweight, presumably healthy, getting a stroke just by sitting for a few hours? You do realise that clots accumulate over days and even weeks in more obese individuals? It is probably drugs.
 
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Never heard of him before but holy shit he's the same age as me. Way too young to die, RIP.
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With the way he foreshadowed his own death, it feels like XXXTentacion all over again.

Foreshadowed his death?
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With the way he foreshadowed his own death, it feels like XXXTentacion all over again.

Foreshadowed his death?

Some of Juice's songs like "Lean Wit Me" implied he was battling lean/drug addiction and was in danger of dying from OD. His cause of death is still unconfirmed, but he went into a seizure despite being in high spirits, so there is a good possibility drugs may be involved.

XXX released an Instagram video shortly before his death about wanting to leave a positive legacy after he dies. The timing might be coincidental, but his tone and the things he touch upon in the video give the feeling he was expecting his fate.
 
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This is so sad. I'll likely forget it tomorrow.

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I'd like to know more details on how his death went down.
 
Dec 9, 2019 2:59 PM
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I'd like to know more details on how his death went down.
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I'd like to know more details on how his death went down.


He allegedly popped some pills on the plane. The feds also found 70 lbs (31kg) of weed in his private jet.
 
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traed said:
For example he was at an airport. Maybe he had a long flight which caused a clot in his leg from sitting so long which travelled giving him a stroke. This is totally plausible.
Totally plausible, however, not equally. Anything is "totally plausible" to a degree. A negligible probability of me dying from a motorcycle crash is x much and I don't even ride motorcycles. It still doesn't make sense.

Let's face it. 21 year old, not overweight, presumably healthy, getting a stroke just by sitting for a few hours? You do realise that clots accumulate over days and even weeks in more obese individuals? It is probably drugs.

I know just suggesting it's not outside reasonable possability. Withdrawl from drugs that were reguarly used could have given him a seizure just the same as using drugs or meds. Though I am aware seizures alone leading to death are relatively rare.

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I'd like to know more details on how his death went down.

There is video of him in the plane that day. He seemed fine then and in a good mood.
 
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One step closer to getting rid of these Shitty modern rappers! ~


You've never listened to him, have you...
 
Dec 10, 2019 3:24 AM

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Saw some people point out the most eerie lyric of his

"i really feel like John Lennon"
- All Girls Are the Same ~ Juice WRLD

He died the same day John Lennon died.
 
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I wasn't a big fan of his rap, but 21 is far too young.

As far as the rap culture itself is concerned. There is a lot of rap, some of it very commercially successful, that does not revolve around "bitches doing cocaine", lean, shooting people, etc. Granted those topics are certainly over represented in rap(particularly 'mumble' rap), but there have always been artists that go against that culture through every decade, some more commercially successful than others. And others that aren't directly promoting such, but instead it's a commentary on the environment they grew up in or current societal problems. Then you have the artists that fall into the middle, where some songs glorify negative behavior while others don't.

All in all, rap is much more diverse then it's often given credit for...even at the mainstream level.

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Dec 10, 2019 11:29 AM

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Nobody deserves to die so young he was the same age as me... but still if you live like a drug addict youre gonna die like one, sad truth

Rip tho hope his family can find some peace
 
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traed said:
Saw some people point out the most eerie lyric of his

"i really feel like John Lennon"
- All Girls Are the Same ~ Juice WRLD

He died the same day John Lennon died.
untrue, John Lennon died a long time ago
 
Dec 10, 2019 1:26 PM

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I will definitely miss his music.

RIP young soul.

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Railey2 said:
traed said:
Saw some people point out the most eerie lyric of his

"i really feel like John Lennon"
- All Girls Are the Same ~ Juice WRLD

He died the same day John Lennon died.
untrue, John Lennon died a long time ago

Something lost in translation... Day of the month.
 
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Rip fam lets be smart next time instead of swallowing the pills for security checks lets hand them out to others less fortunate
 
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I didn't ever listen to his music, but rip. he was so young... any death is sad :(
 
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