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New guidelines cut back on including drawings, cartoons in definition of child pornography

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights' Committee for the Rights of the Child published a new version of its "Guidelines on the implementation of the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography" on September 10. The Committee adopted the guidelines on May 31.

Section V, "Prohibition of the offences covered by the Optional Protocol," of the new guidelines document includes the following statement:

The Committee is deeply concerned about the large amount of online and offline material, including drawings and virtual representations, depicting non-existing children or persons appearing to be children involved in sexually explicit conduct, and about the serious effect that such material can have on children's right to dignity and protection. The Committee encourages States parties to include in their legal provisions regarding child sexual abuse material (child pornography) representations of non-existing children or of persons appearing to be children, in particular when such representations are used as part of a process to sexually exploit children.

Under article 2 of the original OPSC document, child pornography is defined as "any representation, by whatever means, of a child engaged in real or simulated explicit sexual activities or any representation of the sexual parts of a child for primarily sexual purposes." The new guidelines specify that the phrase "by whatever means" in this definition reflects "the broad range of material available in a variety of media, both online and offline."

A previous draft of the new guidelines published earlier this year had specified that the phrase "a broad range of material" would include "visual material such as photographs, movies, drawings and cartoons; audio representations; any digital media representation; live performances; written materials in print or online; and physical objects such as sculptures, toys, or ornaments."

However, the newly published guidelines do not include those specifications.

The new guidelines explain that the phrase "simulated explicit sexual activities" refers to "any material, online or offline, that depicts or otherwise represents a child appearing to engage in sexually explicit conduct."

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-12-01/un-human-rights-committee-new-guidelines-for-child-pornography-express-deep-concerns-about-drawings/.152392

i dont get it lol did they just made the scope more broad by not specifying the media included to be censored?

but its good that it can be just ignored by all government/country involve (none binding rule)
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Wake me up when they actually start confiscating things, I've seen this same thing once every three or so years since I got into anime. Weebs with loli doujins and a couple figs are probably the least threatening thing to actual children in the world, maybe the UN should try to work on the literal child abductions and prostitution in the old Soviet bloc, Asia, and Africa.
 
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Can they start doing something about the real predators? They're practically bragging about how them being "MAPs" (Minor Attracted People) over on Twitter.
 
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Can they start doing something about the real predators? They're practically bragging about how them being "MAPs" (Minor Attracted People) over on Twitter.

there's a few people like that on mal too... gross
the grossest are the ones who say 'bUT I DONT WANT TO HARM KIDDIES" like okay pedophile keep saying that while you profess your attraction to kids openly like you are proud of it :nauseated"


& i leave behind, this hurricane of effin lies
so you've gone insane? that's fun
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Are they ever going to give up pressing for something so couterproductiveas this?
 
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“UN”

I stopped reading right there...

Imagine for ONE second the UN had any actual power or influence or fucking anything!
 
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Many countries already have implemented this. Those people are paedos. A paedo is a state of mind being attracted to pre pubescent children, there's another term I forget for people attracted to post pubescent but underage girls as well.

It has got nothing to do with being a criminal.
 
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UN is literally a meme why does it even exist at this point.




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Many countries already have implemented this. Those people are paedos. A paedo is a state of mind being attracted to pre pubescent children, there's another term I forget for people attracted to post pubescent but underage girls as well.

It has got nothing to do with being a criminal.


Ephebophile. It's an attraction to adolescents. Basically, between 13 and 16/18.
 
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Ephebophile. It's an attraction to adolescents. Basically, between 13 and 16/18.

They should have named it teenophile and then it would have been a lot easier to remember!

It is very hard to take the UN seriously when Saudi Arabia are the head of the human rights council and it's very strange to send people to prison for a thought crime where there is no victim.

I'd be for never letting a convicted paedo back into society though if they do harm a kid, excluding for examples where 2 15 year olds have sex, it doesn't mean either of them are paedos. It's normal to be attracted to someone your own age.
 
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@yhunata
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Everything has a name ..

Infantophilia / Nepiophilia 0 - 5

Paedophila is 0 up to about 11

Hebephilia is about 11 - 13 / 14

Ephebephilia is 14 / 15 - 19 (the later age has nothing to do with consent age like yhunata suggested)

Teleiophilia is for adults

Mesophilia is for middle aged adults

Gerontophilia is the elderly
 
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are they going to start going after anime? if they do then were going to have a problem. also with just how vauge the laws are


about the serious effect that such material can have on children's right to dignity and protection.


this could also mean that works of fictions where kids get killed, harmed or are robbed etc could also be affected. which is a big chunk of grim dark fantasy or fiction in general. especially where they are the protagonist.

also how are they going to define what is a child or not? most VN's with erotic content story driven or nukage usually revolve around both high school boys and girls.

same with ecchi harem shows
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“UN”

I stopped reading right there...

Imagine for ONE second the U.N. had any actual power or influence or fucking anything!
I grew mad with fear just from imagining such a doomsday scenario.

In any case, I feel the U.N. should go back to its founding purpose and that purpose only; it should be an organization dedicated to the singular purpose of præventing the event of war; that is all it should do, facilitate diplomatic solutions wherever possible.


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Complete nonsense from the worst organizational failures since the League of Nations.

The money saved by the UN being defunded and disbanded could help fund UHC or a better or longer wall. They have proven themselves to be a waste of money and aren't even be able to solve any real issues anymore.
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I don’t like lolicon, but what they’re going to do about real children real harmed and child molesters?
 
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If there was any truth to this, children would be in more danger in Japan than, say, Africa. But it's the UN; they'd have Genghis Khan lecturing about the value of monogamy.
 
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I don’t like lolicon, but what they’re going to do about real children real harmed and child molesters?

plot twist: they are the child molesters. or at least were, though there is little reason to believe things have changed.


In the past 15 years, 1,700 allegations of UN sexual violence have been made, from Bosnia to Cambodia, Congo to Haiti. These are only the ones reported and recorded. We can infer that, as with statistics on just about every form of sexual violence, they represent the merest tip of the iceberg. A total of 53 uniformed peacekeepers and one civilian have been jailed as a result.

We heard testimony from two children who fell victim to French troops – there to protect them from warring militia in Congo and the Central African Republic – five years ago. Alexis, then 15, described children giving peacekeepers oral sex in return for soldiers’ rations. “They weren’t even good rations,” she noted. “They were just their leftovers.” Daniella was 10 when a group of peacekeepers offered her water, then grabbed her, took her into a house, “took off my clothes, threw me down and had sex with me, then told me to go”.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/aug/01/the-un-sex-abuse-scandal-tv-review
seriously, f@ck the UN.

this is how messed up the UN is:

the officers go to poor, 3rd world countries and rape impoverished children in exchange for water and biscuit. of course, given the bureocracy and the general disregard for human decency, the officers involved dont get punished, or only get a slap in the wrist at best. meanwhile, while UN officers are raping actual, real children, the UN makes a PR campaign to protect fictional children (the female manga authors gave a response in return, effectively telling the UN to mind their own business).

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Well, pedophilia starts with an ideology and there's plenty of materials on pedophilia and suggestive acts coming straight out of Japan and being exported to different parts of the world. Honestly, I have to agree with the UN. Some Japanese are fucked up in the head and there's plenty of nasty things that the Japanese exports to other nations and pretty questionable stuff too.

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UN: "Back the fuck up hentai artists y'all trippin w/ that child shit."

Hentai: "g-gomenasai o/////o"
 
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Yeah! It is about time the UN gave those drawings a good what for. To really show the meth/opioid heroin addicted normies that they are still good for something.
Alas, the normie foundation of upright virtuousness upon which the UN rests is rotten to its very core with decay. Good luck with that UN. The Police State has more serous issues to contend with.

 
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It's good that they think about the children but prioritizing actual children over non-existing ones would've been a better start.
 
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Well, pedophilia starts with an ideology and there's plenty of materials on pedophilia and suggestive acts coming straight out of Japan and being exported to different parts of the world. Honestly, I have to agree with the UN. Some Japanese are fucked up in the head and there's plenty of nasty things that the Japanese exports to other nations and pretty questionable stuff too.

Your first claim you provided no argument for. Then everything else is just your feelings which isn't even an argument.
 
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ShadowByte said:
Well, pedophilia starts with an ideology and there's plenty of materials on pedophilia and suggestive acts coming straight out of Japan and being exported to different parts of the world. Honestly, I have to agree with the UN. Some Japanese are fucked up in the head and there's plenty of nasty things that the Japanese exports to other nations and pretty questionable stuff too.

Your first claim you provided no argument for. Then everything else is just your feelings which isn't even an argument.


I don't know if I even started a discussion or an argument on this topic to be honest. I don't see why you feel upset over my opinion. Does it look like I asked for your opinion though? Who are you exactly, like I don't even know who you are?

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ShadowByte said:
traed said:

Your first claim you provided no argument for. Then everything else is just your feelings which isn't even an argument.


I don't know if I even started a discussion or an argument on this topic to be honest. I don't see why you feel upset over my opinion. Does it look like I asked for your opinion though? Who are you exactly, like I don't even know who you are?


Are you new to the internet? No one needs your permision to point out you made an uninformed statement.
 
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Are you new to the internet? No one needs your permision to point out you made an uninformed statement.


I made an opinion, why the hell do you care? And why the hell should I provide an argument for an opinion I made? I mean who the hell do you think you are?

There's like plenty of news organizations reporting on this and it's pretty obvious for any anime fan that we know this type of subculture is linked to Japan. It's been like this for years. This stuff is widely made in Japan, I don't even know any other country depraved enough to make content like this and actually export it.

https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519
https://www.rt.com/news/320002-japan-manga-porn-ban/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/27/japan-urged-to-ban-manga-child-abuse-images
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30698640
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/tag/pedophilia/
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/tag/child-abuse/
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/japanese-man-gets-life-in-prison-for-rape-and-murder-of-vietnamese-girl-3774089.html
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/11/04/national/crime-legal/japanese-man-arrested-australia-airport-alleged-child-porn-possession/
https://time.com/5712746/japan-sex-trafficking-prostitution/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-childporn-idUSKBN15P0UT
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/japan-manga-anime-pornography/index.html


It's a huge issue in Japan. I mean it's so damn obvious. Why are you upset that someone is raising their voice against child-pornography digital or other? It's sickening.
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ShadowByte said:
traed said:

Are you new to the internet? No one needs your permision to point out you made an uninformed statement.


I made an opinion, why the hell do you care? And why the hell should I provide an argument for an opinion I made? I mean who the hell do you think you are?

There's like plenty of news organizations reporting on this and it's pretty obvious for any anime fan that we know this type of subculture is linked to Japan. It's been like this for years. This stuff is widely made in Japan, I don't even know any other country depraved enough to make content like this and actually export it.

https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519
https://www.rt.com/news/320002-japan-manga-porn-ban/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/27/japan-urged-to-ban-manga-child-abuse-images
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30698640
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/tag/pedophilia/
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/tag/child-abuse/

It's a huge issue in Japan. I mean it's so damn obvious. Why are you upset that someone is raising their voice against child-pornography digital or other? It's sickening.


Because a drawing is not a real person.

Why are you posting on a forum if you're not okay with people responding to your opinions?
 
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Because a drawing is not a real person.

Why are you posting on a forum if you're not okay with people responding to your opinions?


Oh, great, full-grown men with loli girl pictures are getting angry because I posted something here. I don't remember justifying my opinion to complete strangers who feel upset.

Still doesn't invalidate my post.

'Because drawing is not a real person'. Still doesn't insure that exposure to such content has a psychological effect on full-grown men. It's still a crime no matter how you look at it. It's suggestive and implicit. No matter what argument you're going to be posting hoping that it's a counter argument is invalid.

It's sick and it's a crime. And there are news reports of people getting arrested for it too.

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@ShadowByte, I checked most of those links and they largely have to do with actual children and one or two even are about women 16+ which is wildly outside the scope of the thread.

You dopes always try this shit and use entirely out of scope stories to validate your argument. Did you even read any of these or did you just scrape Google hoping no one would actually read them? Cite me something that proves a causal relationship between loli manga and child abuse and we might have something worth discussing. A pedophile that also enjoys loli stuff is not equivalent because the loli stuff did not incite the desire to screw children, it was a priori.

At least put some effort into it. Welcome to public discourse where no one needs your consent to tell you to git gud, I hope you get the hang of it someday.
 
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ShadowByte said:
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Because a drawing is not a real person.

Why are you posting on a forum if you're not okay with people responding to your opinions?


Oh, great, full-grown men with loli girl pictures are getting angry because I posted something here. I don't remember justifying my opinion to complete strangers who feel upset.

Still doesn't invalidate my post.

'Because drawing is not a real person'. Still doesn't insure that exposure to such content has a psychological effect on full-grown men. It's still a crime no matter how you look at it. It's suggestive and implicit. No matter what argument you're going to be posting hoping that it's a counter argument is invalid.

It's sick and it's a crime. And there are news reports of people getting arrested for it too.


How do you justify watching the Kiss x Sis series and OVA? You rated it quite highly so I can only assume you enjoyed these incestuous schoolgirls pissing and rubbing themselves on things. You didn't even get their consent first, essentially making you a voyeur.

What do you suppose the psychological effect was on you? Do you think of yourself as a criminal?

Personally I'd rather police resources were spent protecting actual, real-life children.
 
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@ShadowByte, I checked most of those links and they largely have to do with actual children and one or two even are about women 16+ which is wildly outside the scope of the thread.

You dopes always try this shit and use entirely out of scope stories to validate your argument. Did you even read any of these or did you just scrape Google hoping no one would actually read them? Cite me something that proves a causal relationship between loli manga and child abuse and we might have something worth discussing. A pedophile that also enjoys loli stuff is not equivalent because the loli stuff did not incite the desire to screw children, it was a priori.

At least put some effort into it. Welcome to public discourse where no one needs your consent to tell you to git gud, I hope you get the hang of it someday.


Never linked "loli stuff" with child-porn or depiction of children in digital pornography both are different. Just suggested that you're priorities are way off. Admiring something should not mean going to the length of taking things to the extent of child-porn. If the UN said it's right than it's correct.

Are you sure, you three are not confused?

Feel free to do whatever weird stuff you guys are into, honestly, I don't really care. I just posted my opinion, it's just the three of you currently whining about it and making confused noises.

Those comics depict child-abused and exploiting of children as mentioned in the news articles. I really wish people like you ought to read the websites I shared instead of jumping on to a bandwagon of bigotry.

You sure as hell didn't have a proper look, that's for sure.

I mentioned Japan, because that's what I've seen on the news, I view a lot of news content and vlogs relating to Japan, funny how you missed a lot of important details in the links I shared:

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/japan-manga-anime-pornography/index.html

Shihoko Fujiwara runs Lighthouse, a nonprofit for exploited children. She told CNN she once worked on a case where a predator used a cartoon to convince a child that sex abuse was normal. "So the pedophiles might bring the animation and say 'this is how you practice with adults,'" she said.

This is an issue in Japanese society, it's definitely a serious issue. You should be ashamed for even going as far as to invalidate something without having to look through those source links and suggesting that it has no links to the original topic at hand.

I feel sorry for any children you have in future. Disgusting. Most adults with children know very well these things are sick and would not want such a freak near their children.

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How do you justify watching the Kiss x Sis series and OVA? You rated it quite highly so I can only assume you enjoyed these incestuous schoolgirls pissing and rubbing themselves on things. You didn't even get their consent first, essentially making you a voyeur.

What do you suppose the psychological effect was on you? Do you think of yourself as a criminal?

Personally I'd rather police resources were spent protecting actual, real-life children.



I don't even know how you're associating this 'incestuous' stuff with my account. I'm an anime fan, I'm pretty sure everyone has seen it. Certainly doesn't mean that I would never condemn it. Such acts are wrong if you want my opinion on it. But you're forgetting the sisters are not biologically related. If you've got issues with the anime or why I watched it, take that issue up with the original creators. Honestly, that's what I complained about on my original post. My point is sometimes Japan takes it too far. Too a level that is known as depravity.

Just great. Absolute weirdos angry because I posted an opinion due to a news report I read and all of a sudden angry full grown men are going as far as to scrutinize my whole profile to find some dirt. Hahaha, you guys are hilarious. Thanks for putting up a good show. One weirdo is nearly pushing his 30s, Hahaha! I can hear the screams from all the way over here. LOL!

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ShadowByte said:

Never linked "loli stuff" with child-porn or depiction of children in digital pornography both are different. Just suggested that you're priorities are way off. Admiring something should not mean going to the length of taking things to the extent of child-porn. If the UN said it's right than it's correct.


You just admitted they are different. Why are you even arguing then? Also, lmao at the "UN said it so it must be right!" logic haha, they have a Saudi as a major head of the human rights council ffs. The UN was an American sham organization to begin with, now it's just absolutely bullshit. Appeal to their authority of all things is worse than a mere appeal to authority.


Those comics depict child-abused and exploiting of children as mentioned in the news articles. I really wish people like you ought to read the websites I shared instead of jumping on to a bandwagon of bigotry.


Depicting something is not equivalent to the real life act. Does GTA inspire murderers? Should video games be banned for violence, abuse etc? The answer is no, because it is not causal.


I mentioned Japan, because that's what I've seen on the news, I view a lot of news content and vlogs relating to Japan, funny how you missed a lot of important details in the links I shared:

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/japan-manga-anime-pornography/index.html

Shihoko Fujiwara runs Lighthouse, a nonprofit for exploited children. She told CNN she once worked on a case where a predator used a cartoon to convince a child that sex abuse was normal. "So the pedophiles might bring the animation and say 'this is how you practice with adults,'" she said.


Again, did the manga incite the targeting of the child or did the pedophile simply use it to further pre-existing intents? It seems to me to be the latter and not the former. Predators could as easily use actual child pornography in the same way, the manga does not change anything about the fact the predator had a prior intent to harm children.

This is an issue in Japanese society, it's definitely a serious issue. You should be ashamed for even going as far as to invalidate something without having to look through those source links and suggesting that it has no links to the original topic at hand.


Harming children is a serious issue, I did not say it wasn't. And it didn't take much distance to know your argument is bad. Assuming a link and establishing a link are two separate things, that was my overarching point. My request was for citations that prove a causal link, not baseless conjecture on the part of you or others.

Thought experiment: did the knife inspire me to murder the random guy, or was the desire to murder a priori and the knife a tool used with prior intent? The order of things is key. My guess is that the knife didn't suddenly turn me into a murderer.
 
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Shinobu isn't a loli, guys, I swear, she's a vampire, she's immortal, guys, how can she be a loli if she's immortal? She only looks like a child because she's weakened. Checkmate, boomers.
 
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@ItsaNico you should read my original above post instead of posting something silly. Unless if that was your aim, you did a pretty good job.

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@ItsaNico you should read my original above post instead of posting something silly. Unless if that was your aim, you did a pretty good job.


You're gonna need a better bait than that. If you're getting down to insults and ad homs, gotta make it sting for it to work. This might help you a little. For example #21 seems quite applicable to you right now.

Edit: changed the number because I liked that one better.
 
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You're gonna need a better bait than that. If you're getting down to insults and ad homs, gotta make it sting for it to work. This might help you a little. For example #30 seems quite applicable to you right now.


This isn't a bait, it's a logical conclusion. Read my original post carefully and I hope you pick up the pattern instead of making me give you a hint.

ItsaNico said:

You're gonna need a better bait than that. If you're getting down to insults and ad homs, gotta make it sting for it to work. This might help you a little. For example #21 seems quite applicable to you right now.

Edit: changed the number because I liked that one better.


Didn't know calling something "silly" was an insult. But okay dude, didn't know you wanted to go as far as to actually exchange insults. But, um, okay. Looks like there isn't going to be any logical response from you. Is calling someone's post silly an insult, I didn't know that. Wow :O

A simple discussion lead to you getting soo angry as to actually go through the effort to search up sick burns and 100 great insults. I..., I have no words...

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Dec 3, 6:30 AM

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@ShadowByte I'm just sharing some resources with you. It's educational, some of the ones on that list are hilarious. When on the net, go all in, like Sherman's march to the sea. It's much more amusing that way in the end regardless of the outcome.

Get some better supporting references for your argument and I'll actually respond with more consideration. First I suggest looking at the basic fallacies and making sure your logic is more rigorous. Check NIMH databases for studies for example. Good luck.
 
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@ShadowByte I'm just sharing some resources with you. It's educational, some of the ones on that list are hilarious. When on the net, go all in, like Sherman's march to the sea. It's much more amusing that way in the end regardless of the outcome.

Get some better supporting references for your argument and I'll actually respond with more consideration. First I suggest looking at the basic fallacies and making sure your logic is more rigorous. Check NIMH databases for studies for example. Good luck.


You really ought to read my original post. I'm giving you one more chance as a friendly gesture, despite you dishing out insults to me, I've decided to look over that and choose not to respond to that in kind.

Again, I urge you to look at my original post.

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you do realize that UN consists of actual pedophiles, right? not just one or two, and not just one or two cases, as can be seen in my previous post that you conveniently ignored.
they are actual pedophiles using anime as a smokescreen to pretend they are the good guys.
they rape actual, real children on a yearly basis.
but hey, if you want to support actual pedophiles, i wont stop you.


using your logic, violent videogames cause terrorism, since "it starts with an ideology and there is plenty of material and suggestive acts" coming from violent video games. this also means that, using your logic, anyone who plays such games are likely terrorists. 10/10 logic.

it seems that you really enjoy shooting and killing people on the screen, so using the same logic of yours, im going to assume you are a potential mass shooter.
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you do realize that UN consists of actual pedophiles, right? not just one or two, and not just one or two cases, as can be seen in my previous post that you conveniently ignored.


I don't even remember having a discussion or an argument with you, let alone tag you for a notification. I just posted my opinion. I'm sorry, but I don't see what you're trying to get at.

DreamingBeats said:

they are actual pedophiles using anime as a smokescreen to pretend they are the good guys.
they rape actual, real children on a yearly basis.
but hey, if you want to support actual pedophiles, i wont stop you.


using your logic, violent videogames cause terrorism, since "it starts with an ideology and there is plenty of material and suggestive acts" coming from violent video games. this also means that, using your logic, anyone who plays such games are likely terrorists. 10/10 logic.


If only people read my original post. It doesn't mention anime, games or whatever. I just stated that any sort of compromisable material that is likely to result in act of pedophilia or assist pedophiles, whether ideological or any other material should be completely stopped from exports. It can be of any sort, I don't see how you even have made a link between video games and stuff, but despite that you haven't come to any other conclusion of Japan's terrible subculture on this matter.

I mention that Japan has a bad track-record in these issues based on the news report. I never stated or mentioned 'anime' or 'loli-stuff' in my original post. It's just the other guys confusing it altogether and detracting to a discussion where I didn't even insist on.

I just said that any sort of measure that helps lower these incidents is okay on my book. Despite my clarifications and attempts to point it out. I am getting berated by people who don't even know the difference between an opinion and an argument, someone as going as far as to scrutinize my whole profile and anime list to find something to use as dirt against me (despite me being pretty reserved). It's childish to see people in their mid-twenties and 30s even do this stuff.

It's pretty comical and hilarious to say the least.

And then we get an even better guy, who goes as far as to search up "Sick Burns: The 100 Greatest Insults" to use on me. LOL. Bro, are you serious? Has anyone even read the MAL community rules on forums?

I don't know about the UN stuff you mentioned being true or not. If that is the case then that is just deplorable and disgusting. Again, you're resorting to such childish acts of assumption that 'you support pedophiles' despite me raising my voice against it and calling it out multiple times as sickening and deplorable.

What the hell is wrong with you people?
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I fear for the day when degenerates such as I need to delete Boku no pico from our lists for fear of legal repercussions.

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@ShadowByte
I don't even remember having a discussion or an argument with you, let alone tag you for a notification.


its a forum you post in a thread your choosing to engage with anyone who post here.
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I don't even remember having a discussion or an argument with you, let alone tag you for a notification.


its a forum you post in a thread your choosing to engage with anyone who post here.


The guy states that "as can be seen in my previous post that you conveniently ignored."

To be honest, I haven't even quoted his post earlier, just clicked the quick reply button and responded to the topic.

Yes, I'm aware of how it works, I've been a member to many discussion forums, I literally have posted here for the past year. I've also been a member of other forums too.

If you would all, kindly excuse me from this topic. I do not wish to respond to this topic or the people that will be sending me notifications. I feel very tired and have work and other things to do, I've literally wasted my whole evening and am feeling very tired and sick. Thank you...

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completely disregarding how stupid the whole idea of such a law is, I very much doubt it goes through and ever gets actually enforced


personally not affected as I like them anime tiddies fat but I can't imagine taking the side of the corrupt outdated organization over fellow weebs who do nothing that affects anyone else AT ALL
 
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ShadowByte said:
Well, pedophilia starts with an ideology and there's plenty of materials on pedophilia and suggestive acts coming straight out of Japan and being exported to different parts of the world. Honestly, I have to agree with the UN. Some Japanese are fucked up in the head and there's plenty of nasty things that the Japanese exports to other nations and pretty questionable stuff too.


ShadowByte said:

If only people read my original post. It doesn't mention anime, games or whatever. I just stated that any sort of compromisable material that is likely to result in act of pedophilia or assist pedophiles, whether ideological or any other material should be completely stopped from exports.


The thing is, like traed pointed out to you, in your original post you make an unsupported claim. Specifically the first sentence is a claim, or rather an assertion if you like that more. As for not mentioning anime et al, that is literally what this thread is about. Here is an excerpt from the OP:

deg said:

Section V, "Prohibition of the offences covered by the Optional Protocol," of the new guidelines document includes the following statement:

The Committee is deeply concerned about the large amount of online and offline material, including drawings and virtual representations, depicting non-existing children or persons appearing to be children involved in sexually explicit conduct ...


and to begin with read the thread title ffs. It is glaringly obvious the focus of discussion is on drawings, ie anime and manga. Your pointless flailing about your first post or not even mentioning it is irrelevant when the entire thread is about drawings. And in the excerpt of your latest post you are again making the same claim as above but this time at least more clearly and explicit that you believe that "materials" cause pedophilia, and in context of the thread that would be drawings (ie anime and manga). Being this vague about things borders on bad faith.

"Assisting pedophilia" is a stupid thing to even bother with, and the rest of your claim has been shown to be thus far unfounded. An opinion is often a claim, especially if you are asserting a causality of events. Once you start trying to form a defense, I don't see how you don't explicitly know that you are making a claim. If you just wanted to dump an opinion and get out then why have you dedicated effort to trying to prove yourself, just ignore the discussion and it'll pass by. This is what happens in discussion forums, discussion (regardless if it is civil or less-so).

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The UN is a flaming pile of garbage. It's corrupt and has utterly failed at creating a better world. I expect nothing less from them.
 
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I mean guys the UN is a very great thing, don't be pissin yo pants about world peacekeeping just because of Lolis :P
 
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The UN sees no deeper nuance than under 18 = child so anything they say is automatically retarded. There's a good debate to be had about lolicon that depicts pre-pubescent girls where they possess clearly undeveloped bodies (although I'm still in favor of freedom of expression). But I mean... with the attitude the UN seems to have, they think it's OK that in the same country it can be perfectly legal to have sex with a 16 year old (UK law) but possess a drawing of a person which someone, somewhere considers to appear under 18 and you're committing a crime?!

I didn't want to write more than that (I could go on for a very long time) but I will say this also. The whole idea of banning lolicon material to protect "children" makes no sense for the simple reason that it is based on the assumption that attraction to girls under a set age would disappear if only sexualization in media stopped. As though the biological drive in men to be attracted to young, fertile, virginal girls is somehow a social construct. It's not. It's nature. There's a million other issues with the ideology behind censoring art but that's the one which stands out to me from the quoted statemnet from the UN.

In general, until the conversation around "pedophillia" evolves to face reality, accept that it's a nuanced issue, and ask the hard questions, it's all a farce.
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Keep in mind also that they probably aren't diehard anime fans so they don't really know the difference between a Loli and just any anime girl :P

Most anime characters look like kids, it's their certain features and info that let you know if they aren't or not, but looking that way is part of the soul of anime.
 
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this is a direct attack to Japanese? Because I see it not going very well.
 
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