| I'm a pretty big movie nerd and I watch movies and internally analyse and appreciate every shot thats done exceptionally well. I only recently did the same for anime when I watched the finale episode of Kimetsu no Yaiba, where there is a dialogue in that interconnected world made out of stairs and traditional japanese architecture. I suddenly became aware of the angles the shots came from, camera position and well as how the camera flies through the environment. From then on I kept watching anime in the same way and now I can appreciate good fight scenes more as well as long shots. Am I the only one that does that? I kind of have the feeling when I watch a movie I appreciate all the work that laid behind such a particular sequence.. also the reason why I watch Making of's of movies to see how certain shots were achieved. Another important aspect I started to look at is how certain shots are framed and where the characters are located. Am I the only one? |
| I think the cinematography in the Monogatari series is what makes it stand out for me as the best looking tv anime ever made. In general though, I dont think cinematography is one of anime's strong points, but I do appreciate when shows make the effort. |
| It's the reason what makes shaft works so damn good. It's also the reason why AoT fights are enjoying to watch. Good cinematography is always appreciated. |
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| I rarely notice details like that because I have a tiny flea brain, but when I do it always increases my appreciation for a show |
cythraul said: It's the reason what makes shaft works so damn good. It's also the reason why AoT fights are enjoying to watch. Good cinematography is always appreciated. It's one part what makes monogatari good. Another part is that the series uses a way to tell jokes and stories, which is not known to western viewers. I'd advise you to look up "Rakugo" and then you will also understand why Monogatari has these shaft-typical headtilts. |
| Makes for an iconic scenes too when done pretty well... |
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KamisamaHatatan said: cythraul said: It's the reason what makes shaft works so damn good. It's also the reason why AoT fights are enjoying to watch. Good cinematography is always appreciated. It's one part what makes monogatari good. Another part is that the series uses a way to tell jokes and stories, which is not known to western viewers. I'd advise you to look up "Rakugo" and then you will also understand why Monogatari has these shaft-typical headtilts. I am familiar with the term 'rakugo' but I don't know much about it. I will probably watch some anime related to rakugo. |
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cythraul said: KamisamaHatatan said: It's one part what makes monogatari good. Another part is that the series uses a way to tell jokes and stories, which is not known to western viewers. I'd advise you to look up "Rakugo" and then you will also understand why Monogatari has these shaft-typical headtilts. I am familiar with the term 'rakugo' but I don't know much about it. I will probably watch some anime related to rakugo. Monogatari, Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, Joshiraku as well as Kabukichou Sherlock from the new season are Rakugo-centric jokes that pull their comedy from the ridiculous stories and SoL scenes told. Maybe Gochiusa is similar too. Have fun! |
| Pantsu shot. They're like few second but so effective to capture my attention. |
| Good cinematography can make or break a show, as it can elevate a scene so much, but it can also destroy a scene when done poorly. |
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| Absolutely, I love cinematography in general. Every Frame A Painting is probably my alltime favorite youtube channel and while he did mostly live-action movies, there were also one or two videos about anime and in general you can apply a lot of the general knowledge about cinematography to anime without it being much of a problem. Tho I'll admit than in anime it always has this additional layer of animation quality and overall slightly more freedom in terms of camera angles, camera movement and editing. But if you ask me the question shouldn't be 'do you care', because if you watch movies or series of any kind you can't NOT care, even if you think you don't. Cinematography is a big part of the language of film, it's so inherently related to how everyone experiences a piece of visual fiction that the only really question is 'How much do you KNOW about cinematography and how it shapes your viewing experience? How AWARE are you of its impact?'. Because even if you have never heard the term, it definitely shapes the viewing experience of everything you watch. It's always impactful, the difficult part is just being aware of it and being able to understand the exact role it plays in any given scene, the function it fulfils. Because it's a complex topic with a lot of depth to it and even after spending dozens, maybe hundreds of hours watching videos about alll kinds of different aspects of cinematography, I barely feel more than a pleb. There's a reason why such a thing as film school exists - there's a lot of information to soak up. And that's the beauty of it - you don't need to know shit about cinematography to be positively impacted by it, which is why many people don't ever bother getting into it and that's totally understandable. But the more you learn about it, the more you sharped your eye to its nuances, the more depth there is to your appreciation of, well, ANYTHING you watch. It turns the passive effect it has on your viewing experience into an additional layer of active enjoyment you get out of whatever you watch. It's just great. |
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| Well, yes, in ecchi the way they use the camera to present what's happening on the screen is something that makes all of the difference in the world between a mediocre fanservice scene and a great one. I think it's one of the most absolutely vital things in making a good ecchi scene, and I usually take a cinematogrophy/presentation oriented viewpoint over the more common one of narrative contextualization that I see on this board when it comes to this type of content. It's not solely important to just ecchi, and it can drastically effect how a scene is interpreted by the audience in a million contexts outside of ecchi, of course, but eh. That's where I find myself discussing it more often than not. |
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| F*ck Yes! I can't get enough of good cinematography. Even Pokemon at times is beyond thrilling to watch with how wild the cinematography can be, I'll always appreciate good use of it. |
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| Cinematography is the only part i really care about regarding visuals, nice animation is a neat bonus but if the visuals help tell the story or reveal something about the characters its even neater ;) Its something that separates good from great aside from the characters,themes etc. |
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Pullman said: Absolutely, I love cinematography in general. Every Frame A Painting is probably my alltime favorite youtube channel and while he did mostly live-action movies, there were also one or two videos about anime and in general you can apply a lot of the general knowledge about cinematography to anime without it being much of a problem. Tho I'll admit than in anime it always has this additional layer of animation quality and overall slightly more freedom in terms of camera angles, camera movement and editing. But if you ask me the question shouldn't be 'do you care', because if you watch movies or series of any kind you can't NOT care, even if you think you don't. Cinematography is a big part of the language of film, it's so inherently related to how everyone experiences a piece of visual fiction that the only really question is 'How much do you KNOW about cinematography and how it shapes your viewing experience? How AWARE are you of its impact?'. Because even if you have never heard the term, it definitely shapes the viewing experience of everything you watch. It's always impactful, the difficult part is just being aware of it and being able to understand the exact role it plays in any given scene, the function it fulfils. Because it's a complex topic with a lot of depth to it and even after spending dozens, maybe hundreds of hours watching videos about alll kinds of different aspects of cinematography, I barely feel more than a pleb. There's a reason why such a thing as film school exists - there's a lot of information to soak up. And that's the beauty of it - you don't need to know shit about cinematography to be positively impacted by it, which is why many people don't ever bother getting into it and that's totally understandable. But the more you learn about it, the more you sharped your eye to its nuances, the more depth there is to your appreciation of, well, ANYTHING you watch. It turns the passive effect it has on your viewing experience into an additional layer of active enjoyment you get out of whatever you watch. It's just great. Wonderful comment. I wholeheartedly agree and wish I could edit the title now :) |
| Yes, I have a soft spot for shows that can transmit meaning through their visuals instead of just exposition. |
| I definitely do care about the direction and cinematography. There are many ways to tell a story and i tend to prefer the creative ones. Apart from the animation and plot, these are a big part of how i judge my anime. Sometimes i come across shows which might not have a 10/10 plot but it can engage me with its visuals and the direction/cinematography. And if the plot is good that's just the cherry on top of it. A good example of the former is Zankyou no terror. The plot wasn't that good for me. I wouldn't even call it above average. BUT ... I loved the music done by Yoko Kanno; and paired with Shinichiro Watanabe's direction it was a treat to experience it. And an example of the latter for me would be something like the Monogatari series. NisioisiN is a genius story teller. Pair this with shaft's amazingly creative approach to the adaption and you've got a masterpiece. |
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| that is the reason this guy is on favorites https://myanimelist.net/people/39051/Yuuichi_Terao he popularizes those instagram digital coloring and effects of ufotable and his 3DCG works to make circus camera works are godly there in ufotable too |
| Kyoto Animation and SHAFT are head and shoulders above other studios in cinematography. Which is one of the reasons why they are my favourite studios. Kyoto Animation in particular is mindbogglingly brilliant at it. Examples: Koe no Katachi, Hibike! Euphonium, Hyouka, Kyoukai no Kanata, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu, Violet Evergarden, Tamako Love Story, Chuunibyou demo koi ga Shitai!, K-On!, Nichijou, Free!, Clannad After Story, Kanon 2006, FMP: The Second Raid. Production I.G., ufotable, and Sunrise Inc. are pretty good too. |
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| Yeah...cool...but great cinematographic visualisations are wasted on sallow and empty titles like Kimetsu no Yaiba, Kimi no Na wa (+ other Shinkai stuff) ect. |
alshu said: Yeah...cool...but great cinematographic visualisations are wasted on sallow and empty titles like Kimetsu no Yaiba, Kimi no Na wa (+ other Shinkai stuff) ect. I'd assume you call shows like it pretentious, but I found ef: a tale of memories and Ginga Tetsudou 999 to have some amazing kind of cinematography, despite not going overboard on the visuals. |
| I mean yeah, good cinematography can really make an anime stand out. Example |
CHAMPIONOFDEATHNov 19, 2019 7:37 AM
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Nope, I am just saying that good visuals are wasted on some shows. Nothing pretentious about it. Just mismatch between form and content. KamisamaHatatan said: ef: a tale of memories and Ginga Tetsudou 999 Never watched those but I disliked the content of Uchuu Kaizoku Captain Herlock and Uchuu Kaizoku Captain Herlock: Arcadia-gou no Nazo...but liked Space Pirate Captain Herlock: Outside Legend - The Endless Odyssey and Captain Herlock (2013). KamisamaHatatan said: to have some amazing kind of cinematography, despite not going overboard on the visuals. It's called minimalism...I like some titles with it too...not sure why you mention it tho. |
KamisamaHatatan said: Another part is that the series uses a way to tell jokes and stories, which is not known to western viewers. I'd advise you to look up "Rakugo" and then you will also understand why Monogatari has these shaft-typical headtilts. I've watched a two-season anime about rakugo, and I still don't understand the head tilts. Edit - actually, I might have figured it out. Need to watch/rewatch something with head tilts to check though. Regarding the general thread, I certainly pay attention to and appreciate the way the visuals help to convey the story, mood etc. But I don't really have a bucket called 'cinematography' which is a part of this, I think that's a result of the means of creating cinema whereby you use a camera to capture what's actually in a place from a certain position and angle. With animation being a far less limited format, it's less important, I'm likely to be spending a lot of time noticing things like colours, art style, how things are bigger or smaller than in real life, omission of details etc. which either can't be controlled at all or are a huge hassle in live-action. |
logopolisNov 19, 2019 8:41 AM
| Cinematography, and directing in general, is one of those things that people don't know they care about. Whether they're concious of it or not, good direction can take the exact same story and dialogue and turn it from something they will enjoy, to something they will love. I'm sure there are lots of people who roll their eyes at talk of "cinematography" and other such nerdy film making lingo. They'll say stuff like "it's just entertainment", "it's just a cartoon" and think people are being pretentious for taking anime seriously as art. But they don't realize that the talented artists behind the making of their favourite anime most definitely take that stuff seriously, and it makes a huge difference. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| I think everyone appreciates cinematography at least on a subconscious level. Not everyone is equipped with the vocabulary to really examine/explain what they like about a subject, but i think cinematography is one of those things that distinguish a great show from a masterpiece. |
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| Of course!!! I've always been caring about cinematography before it was cool, you guys!!! Lol |
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| "Do you care about the cinematography in anime?" I love analyzing stuff, especially art and animation. So you're not the only one there buddy. It appears that the majority of this thread is praising the works of Shaft and Ufotable, and for a good reason. When it comes to those two studios, they have very distinct use of cinematography that makes them stand out from other studios. Shaft is loved by many including myself because of there somewhat patterned and abstract art style with their backgrounds and occasionally the characters as well. They're also appear to blend in live action and different art styles from time to time. Their camera shots are also very unique as well Ufotable on the other hand, is also loved by their well handled CGI. Not to mention that they make the CGI look almost unnoticeable. And of course there's the camera work which is masterfully done that it almost feels like if we we're there. Thank God they handled the animation for Demon Slayer cause if not, then these scenes wouldn't look as good as they should. And of course there's also Kyoto Animation. I just love their art style and how distinctive their art style is. They also appear to tell a lot of things just by showing us through their use of cinematography. |
| I don't hold anime to the same standard as live action movies since they have a literal camera to move around while in 2D animation, it must be imagined, with you having to shift perspective whenever the imaginary camera moves. Something as simple as having the camera circle the character as they stand Michael Bay style takes a lot more effort in animation than in live action. That said, you can still do some interesting stuff. There's still a distinction between good direction and bad. Just don't expect epic oners and such. However! The explosion of decent 3D anime recently means holding those to similar standards is fair since all perspective shifts are taken care of once you make the model. |
| Depends on whether it be important. Some things like Blame! or Texhnolyze completely rely on setting a particular mood; if the cinematography be bad in such a thing then the entire thing fails. Straight comedies don't really rely much on it. Even something like Sakurasou or Madoka relies heavily on conveying certain feelings of despair, so sans proper cinematography it could never succeed. With something like Attack on Titan, it doesn't really matter. The original strip of Koi Kaze had a very interesting chilly atmsophære to the entire thing in it's art style which the t.v. adaptation failed to properly replicate. |
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| I think it always reveals how much effort was put into a show. If all the angles/camera shots look shit, then it feels like the whole of the show has been half assed with barely any thought put into it. If each shot has been thought about, how visually appealing it looks, not making it static or boring, making it have symbolism or foreshadowing, creating atmosphere, perspective, ect, ect it means they are more passionate because they care about this detailed stuff. |
| I do, even if I don't know a lot about it. When I rewatch something I can pay attention to what I liked or disliked about a series and actually understand the ins and outs of it. It actually made me realize that Shinsekai Yori is lacking somewhat in its direction. The story itself is great but the cinematography and sound design are lacking. At the same time it confirmed why Clannad is my favorite anime because while it did have some things I would have done differently myself it never took over my appreciation for everything else. |
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| I appreciate and enjoy good cinematography but it is not a /must/ in an anime. I can enjoy anime without those attributes if they can exceed in other aspects. |
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