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Xelecus said: BUT .. I wished that they put his development in another episode. They'd rather focus on the fight in this episode and after it ends, we get to see the new version of Caunte. Overall 5/5 episode but could be better ofc. The development it's the same in the manga, if they put it in another episode they ruined everything in my opinion.And there's only 6 episodes left anyway... |
| god nobody cares about that stupid prince. he belongs in the useless protagonist trope. just show the fight of Thorfinn and thorkell. |
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| So the prince finally snaps, after being brainwashed by the communist teachings of the priest. Now he deludes himself on being a king. Meanwhile, Thorfinn tastes a much-expected defeat at the hands of Thorkell, after putting on some show. I wonder how will Thorkell react upon knowing about the death of Thors and what would he say about Thors's definition of a true warrior. |
Otaakuu said: god nobody cares about that stupid prince. he belongs in the useless protagonist trope. just show the fight of Thorfinn and thorkell. "God nobody cares about that stupid prince". Uhhhhhh this entire thread is filled with people praising Canute's development. So yes plenty of people do care about him dude & calling him a useless protagonist is missing the point of him completely. |
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| People are forgetting that Vinland Saga is mostly character driven. This episode was more than just action sequences. It was very introspective in terms of character. This isn't Shonen, Thorkell vs Thorfinn isn't just a duel for the sake of fighting, but for character interaction. It has a good blend with Canute's introspection and awakening as well. About Canute's "sudden" change, his entire mindset was completely shattered after Ragnar's death. After realizing that his former mindset was already shattered to begin with as love doesn't exist in humans to begin with, betrayed by God and his father, he finds a resolution, to stand up against God and make a paradise that God took away from him. Canute also had previous experience of doing royal duties, signing treaties, telling Thorfinn his reasoning (whether it be an excuse or not). He was just shy and didn't care about everything except for Ragnar. Like in the anime the "fog has lifted", he can now see what the world is now and has discovered a new ambition that gives becoming king a purpose. A sleeping ambition has now woken up. Amazing writing. |
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animejas said: Canute was my favorite in the manga for so long, and I'm glad the anime portrayed him extremely well in this episode. What a phenomenal episode in general, and a rebound from last week too. Do you personally think the manga did that moment with Canute better, or the adaptation? |
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| 1 canute wasn't a coward,he was diffident and cautious,he's scared to talk to other people because he talked only with ragnar for his whole life. 2 canute experienced violence since he was a kid,his brothers tried to kill each others for the throne,this made him cautious for everything,being careful to not attract the attention of others to survive. 3 then ragnar raised him and changed his personality to the one he had before this episode 4 he questioned god and his father love since he was introduced,he's delusional. 5 ragnar death shattered his whole world, he's the only one that loved him and a father figure to canute. 6 he talk about love with the priest that breaks all of his delusions about god and his father. 7 this personality that he have now is his true nature, he gets out the shell. |
nanashi796Nov 18, 2019 8:59 PM
deg said: i do not get what is love they are talking about lol i only get that ye there might be no love in the hearts of humans so Canute decided that Gods trials and tests are not worth shit to develop that love they are seeking or even the paradise they wanted to have so he will do it instead of their shitty God Hegar said: The philosophizing was nonsense. Love is when you identify with someone else, or with an animal or a person if you will. Someone else's happiness is your happiness, someone else's sadness is your sadness. It is an instinct that evolved to keep people together. There is way too much philosophizing and singing about love, because it is easy. You can make the song and anyone can listen to it, since no one can object to love. But it then becomes this big metaphysical thing that people try to twist to fit what they want it to fit. And "discrimination"? To love one person but not everyone is "discrimination" and therefore not love? I sure hope the words meant something else in Japanese. Yea, I agree, that particular bit seemed like a bunch of pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-philosophical bullshit worthy of r/im14andthisisdeep. IMO, it seemed like one of those "whole lot of talking, but not much being said" moments. Because of that, I find Canute's development, putting aside the fact it was so radical, even less impactful and believable. 99% of the time such insanely abstract things are brought up, whether it be in fiction or IRL, it just seems corny and to be trying too hard. Like I get this is appealing to teenagers and young men, but that was really pushing it. And before I get some biblethumper, the bible is so insanely inconsistent about literally everything within it and what it preaches, so that's a total nonstarter. The bible is one of the original cherrypicking devices, and fantastic oldschool example of what a hypocrite is. At least Thorfinn getting tripped up at a non-impressive question makes sense due the sentimental history. |
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Yautja said: but he's right if you love one you discriminate others that normal, he talks about true love, the one god is supposed to have for everything and everyone,ragnar didn't do anything to save the village people,he choose canute over them thats discrimination,that's the philosophy that thors have,killing others to save the one you love is bad,no lives matter more than others, all lives have the same value,that's what he means to be a true warrior,the priest said that the the death is the perfect form of love because when you're dead you can't do anything bad and only being useful to the others forms of life and the earth,obviously this form of love is impossible to have due to the nature of humans.deg said: i do not get what is love they are talking about lol i only get that ye there might be no love in the hearts of humans so Canute decided that Gods trials and tests are not worth shit to develop that love they are seeking or even the paradise they wanted to have so he will do it instead of their shitty God Hegar said: The philosophizing was nonsense. Love is when you identify with someone else, or with an animal or a person if you will. Someone else's happiness is your happiness, someone else's sadness is your sadness. It is an instinct that evolved to keep people together. There is way too much philosophizing and singing about love, because it is easy. You can make the song and anyone can listen to it, since no one can object to love. But it then becomes this big metaphysical thing that people try to twist to fit what they want it to fit. And "discrimination"? To love one person but not everyone is "discrimination" and therefore not love? I sure hope the words meant something else in Japanese. Yea, I agree, that particular bit seemed like a bunch of pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-philosophical bullshit worthy of r/im14andthisisdeep. IMO, it seemed like one of those "whole lot of talking, but not much being said" moments. Because of that, I find Canute's development, putting aside the fact it was so radical, even less impactful and believable. 99% of the time such insanely abstract things are brought up, whether it be in fiction or IRL, it just seems corny and to be trying too hard. Like I get this is appealing to teenagers and young men, but that was really pushing it. And before I get some biblethumper, the bible is so insanely inconsistent about literally everything within it and what it preaches, so that's a total nonstarter. The bible is one of the original cherrypicking devices, and fantastic oldschool example of what a hypocrite is. At least Thorfinn getting tripped up at a non-impressive question makes sense due the sentimental history. |
nanashi796Nov 18, 2019 9:36 PM
| Goddamn, quite the epiphany Canute went through. Without a doubt, the highlight of the episode and though his change of convictions happened in a quicker way than expected, it was still quite enjoyable to see. Regarding the same sequence, I found the priest's concept of "love" a bit... tangled for my taste but I guess it's fitting considering the time period. That said, I still really liked the philosophical tone the whole interaction between them had. |
| Damn, an amazing episode again. A load of characterisation and the dichotomy between Thorfinn and Canute was really evident in this episode. The thematic concerns expressed through both of their characters were on full display here, bouncing back and forth. Really well choreographed; often that can be very tricky to pull off. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| The dialogue between Canute and Willibald was superb. It delves deep into what love truly is. Although I can't say I agree with the conclusion Canute reached about not accepting God's salvation, I can say that Canute becoming confident and such a badass was awesome. It gave me chills. As someone who likes history and who has read about Canute the Great, this episode and specifically the final scene was the moment when I finally thought, "THIS is Canute the Great." The fight was awesome too. Thorfinn is a match for Thorkell, or at least just slightly below. Even Askeladd isn't. Thorfinn truly is the son of Thors. Although I like the legendary fight between Thorfinn and Thorkell as much as the next guy, I can't help but want these two to be on the same side. Unlike Askeladd who's basically an outlaw, Thorkell seems like a real warrior and someone who served with Thors. |
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savtruff said: This episode is my favorite in manga, i'm glad they covered 3½ chapter (ch.36-a half of ch.39) in just one episode consider it remain still 6 ep and the show should finished at ch.54, but yeah we got thorfinn vs Thorkell shortened and it doesn't matter because next week the duel still continue, it remain 15 chapters so I guess 2 or 2½ chapter for next week, the duel will long enough. For who not satisfied with this episode because of thorfinn-thorkell fight was short, I know you "love" fight or battle in this show and it waste your 2 week waiting but then you give this episode score 2/5,, that's "discrimination". The priest's speech make sense after all. Do I discriminate other with this comment? I love this episode, just look my avatar, I also waited more than two weeks for this episode. 100% agree with this,for me Wit is doing a really good job with the adaptation...i admit it,as a manga fan i can't wait for the next episodes. |
yeah with 3 or 4 characters you can make vinland saga... good job so far... ttcchen said: emraanash said: aint gonna waste my time to entertain youI have watched 18 episode but I didn't understand the plot? okay, go on.... tell me about it... yeah, already wasted so many times in this trash anime. |
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nanashi796 said: Yautja said: Yea, I agree, that particular bit seemed like a bunch of pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-philosophical bullshit worthy of r/im14andthisisdeep. IMO, it seemed like one of those "whole lot of talking, but not much being said" moments. Because of that, I find Canute's development, putting aside the fact it was so radical, even less impactful and believable. 99% of the time such insanely abstract things are brought up, whether it be in fiction or IRL, it just seems corny and to be trying too hard. Like I get this is appealing to teenagers and young men, but that was really pushing it. And before I get some biblethumper, the bible is so insanely inconsistent about literally everything within it and what it preaches, so that's a total nonstarter. The bible is one of the original cherrypicking devices, and fantastic oldschool example of what a hypocrite is. At least Thorfinn getting tripped up at a non-impressive question makes sense due the sentimental history. but he's right if you love one you discriminate others that normal, he talks about true love, the one god is supposed to have for everything and everyone,ragnar didn't do anything to save the village people,he choose canute over them thats discrimination,that's the philosophy that thors have,killing others to save the one you love is bad,no lives matter more than others, all lives have the same value,that's what he means to be a true warrior,the priest said that the the death is the perfect form of love because when you're dead you can't do anything bad and only being useful to the others forms of life and the earth,obviously this form of love is impossible to have due to the nature of humans. Discrimination has a different meaning:discrimination: "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination." It would be stupid to say that a father who loves his child is discriminating other children because he loves only his child. But you are right that the priest was talking about the unconditional love of God, still the word discrimination for 'normal love' is simply misplaced (maybe translation error?). I agree with the people here who are saying that the philosophical topic was not convincing, as well as the more or less sudden transformation of Canute. |
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Azazin said: I agree with the people here who are saying that the philosophical topic was not convincing, as well as the more or less sudden transformation of Canute. In the end, it was all to change Canute's perspective. Regardless of whether it was right or wrong. It goes well with the setting anyways. However, there have been many justifications in this thread regarding Canute's sudden change including my own personal one. I'd recommend reading them, even if you're not convinced. |
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| Oh damn, episode first starts with making me cry, saying goodbye to Ragnar, then it ends with growing some balls. Damn. Princess transformation to Griffith just begun. |
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Azazin said: love doesn't exist without discrimination or prejudice,if you love someone you automatically prioritize him to others,that's called discrimination,the life of others have the same value of the one you love.nanashi796 said: but he's right if you love one you discriminate others that normal, he talks about true love, the one god is supposed to have for everything and everyone,ragnar didn't do anything to save the village people,he choose canute over them thats discrimination,that's the philosophy that thors have,killing others to save the one you love is bad,no lives matter more than others, all lives have the same value,that's what he means to be a true warrior,the priest said that the the death is the perfect form of love because when you're dead you can't do anything bad and only being useful to the others forms of life and the earth,obviously this form of love is impossible to have due to the nature of humans. Discrimination has a different meaning:discrimination: "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination." It would be stupid to say that a father who loves his child is discriminating other children because he loves only his child. But you are right that the priest was talking about the unconditional love of God, still the word discrimination for 'normal love' is simply misplaced (maybe translation error?). I agree with the people here who are saying that the philosophical topic was not convincing, as well as the more or less sudden transformation of Canute. |
nanashi796Nov 19, 2019 4:38 AM
| For those who say love is discrimination... sorry but this is typical Jordan Peterson nonsense: See here: Falling In Love Is Discrimination But this is a more political position he is taking: If love is discrimination, nearly everything is discrimination (like friendship) which is shifting the focus away from real discrimination based on i.e. gender or ethnicity. I still think this is the proper use of the word: "treating a person or particular group of people differently, especially in a worse way from the way in which you treat other people, because of their skin colour, sex, sexuality, etc.: " https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/discrimination And i would insist that here is a difference between discrimination in the above mentioned context (of law for example) and individual preferences when it comes to love/friendship etc.. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/ |
AzazinNov 19, 2019 5:51 AM
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nanashi796 said: but he's right if you love one you discriminate others that normal, he talks about true love, the one god is supposed to have for everything and everyone,ragnar didn't do anything to save the village people,he choose canute over them thats discrimination,that's the philosophy that thors have,killing others to save the one you love is bad,no lives matter more than others, all lives have the same value,that's what he means to be a true warrior,the priest said that the the death is the perfect form of love because when you're dead you can't do anything bad and only being useful to the others forms of life and the earth,obviously this form of love is impossible to have due to the nature of humans. nanashi796 said: love doesn't exist without discrimination or prejudice,if you love someone you automatically prioritize him to others,that's called discrimination,the life of others have the same value of the one you love. savtruff said: In negative connotation yes that is discrimination meaning, but you're not enough googling it. In simple meaning discrimination like you said it just mean distinction. It can be mean diversity or separation. Okay I'm googling it too. Discrimination : "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another".eg. "discrimination between right and wrong" from Oxford btw...lol... So I think the priest's speech make sense. Like Love is also have many meaning from agape, eros, in this part the priest's love is agape. And not only Makoto yukimura brought this concept, you can search falling in love is discrimination by Jordan peterson. I think it's up to you to receive that concept. I've got one word for you two. Equivocation. You two, and Peterson, are buying into a misleading fallacy at best. A "technically right" argument. Just because being selective means excluding others, does not mean you're being "discriminatory" in the truest and majority sense of the word. If you actually think anyone is going to buy that bullshit "god is suppose to love everyone" argument, you're relying on ignorance. If you make me break out a bible and list off every example of the Christian god being an absolute "discriminatory" piece shit, we're going to be here for the next week. And that childish ass philosophy of "killing is wrong no matter what" can get fucked. No, all lives don't have the same "value", depending on your interpretation, simply because value means monetary worth, merit or importance. And I can tell you for 100% fucking sure, Elon Musk has way more value than me. The real world isn't rainbows and sunshine or black and white. If you're going to be arguing in favor of a philosophy that says defending the people you care about is bad, my god, go to the fucking Vatican, because you've already got the self-righteousness, ignorance and arrogance down, and clearly buy into the bullshit propoganda, might as well make it official. Putting aside the fact that such a philosophy is insanely nonfunctional, the entire basis for it is fundamentally flawed and at best is a childish opinion that I and the majority of humans that have ever existed do not accept. Love isn't defined as "doing nothing bad and being useful". |
YautjaNov 19, 2019 6:09 AM
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Yautja said: lol i just explained what the priest meant with that,people merit doesn't matter,he thinks that all lives have the same importance,still he's right about the fact that when you love one you are prioritizing him to others without even knowing it.nanashi796 said: but he's right if you love one you discriminate others that normal, he talks about true love, the one god is supposed to have for everything and everyone,ragnar didn't do anything to save the village people,he choose canute over them thats discrimination,that's the philosophy that thors have,killing others to save the one you love is bad,no lives matter more than others, all lives have the same value,that's what he means to be a true warrior,the priest said that the the death is the perfect form of love because when you're dead you can't do anything bad and only being useful to the others forms of life and the earth,obviously this form of love is impossible to have due to the nature of humans. nanashi796 said: love doesn't exist without discrimination or prejudice,if you love someone you automatically prioritize him to others,that's called discrimination,the life of others have the same value of the one you love. savtruff said: In negative connotation yes that is discrimination meaning, but you're not enough googling it. In simple meaning discrimination like you said it just mean distinction. It can be mean diversity or separation. Okay I'm googling it too. Discrimination : "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another".eg. "discrimination between right and wrong" from Oxford btw...lol... So I think the priest's speech make sense. Like Love is also have many meaning from agape, eros, in this part the priest's love is agape. And not only Makoto yukimura brought this concept, you can search falling in love is discrimination by Jordan peterson. I think it's up to you to receive that concept. I've got one word for you two. Equivocation. You two, and Peterson, are buying into a misleading fallacy at best. A "technically right" argument. Just because being selective means excluding others, does not mean you're being "discriminatory" in the truest and majority sense of the word. If you actually think anyone is going to buy that bullshit "god is suppose to love everyone" argument, you're relying on ignorance. If you make me break out a bible and list off every example of the Christian god being an absolute "discriminatory" piece shit, we're going to be here for the next week. And that childish ass philosophy of "killing is wrong no matter what" can get fucked. No, all lives don't have the same "value", depending on your interpretation, simply because value means monetary worth, merit or importance. And I can tell you for 100% fucking sure, Elon Musk has way more value than me. The real word isn't rainbows and sunshine or black and white. If you're going to be arguing in favor of a philosophy that says defending the people you care about is bad, my god, go to a fucking monastery, because you've already got the self-righteousness, ignorance and arrogance down, might as well make it official. Love isn't defined as "doing nothing bad and being useful". |
nanashi796Nov 19, 2019 6:14 AM
nanashi796 said: Yautja said: lol i just explained what the priest meant with that,people merit doesn't matter,he thinks that all lives have the same importance,still he's right about the fact that when you love one you are prioritizing him to others without even knowing it.I've got one word for you two. Equivocation. You two, and Peterson, are buying into a misleading fallacy at best. A "technically right" argument. Just because being selective means excluding others, does not mean you're being "discriminatory" in the truest and majority sense of the word. If you actually think anyone is going to buy that bullshit "god is suppose to love everyone" argument, you're relying on ignorance. If you make me break out a bible and list off every example of the Christian god being an absolute "discriminatory" piece shit, we're going to be here for the next week. And that childish ass philosophy of "killing is wrong no matter what" can get fucked. No, all lives don't have the same "value", depending on your interpretation, simply because value means monetary worth, merit or importance. And I can tell you for 100% fucking sure, Elon Musk has way more value than me. The real word isn't rainbows and sunshine or black and white. If you're going to be arguing in favor of a philosophy that says defending the people you care about is bad, my god, go to a fucking monastery, because you've already got the self-righteousness, ignorance and arrogance down, might as well make it official. Love isn't defined as "doing nothing bad and being useful". And I just explained why that priest is full of shit; he's a drunkard with a half-assed pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-philosophical understanding of the words he's using, preaching about a god and he barely understands & knows about. He may have that opinion, but that opinion, based on the definition of the words value and merit, is factually and semantically, wrong. Yea, and prioritizing or favoring someone you know and care about isn't "discrimination" in the proper sense of the word. That one word, "equivocation" fractures the entirety of his and your argument. That whole schpeel was a bunch of bullshit that won't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. |
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Yautja said: he doesn't mean discrimination in the sense we use that now.nanashi796 said: lol i just explained what the priest meant with that,people merit doesn't matter,he thinks that all lives have the same importance,still he's right about the fact that when you love one you are prioritizing him to others without even knowing it. And I just explained why that priest is full of shit; he's a drunkard with a half-assed pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-philosophical understanding of the words he's using, preaching about a god and he barely understands & knows about. He may have that opinion, but that opinion, based on the definition of the words value and merit, is factually and semantically, wrong. Yea, and prioritizing or favoring someone you know and care about isn't "discrimination" in the proper sense of the word. That one word, "equivocation" fractures the entirety of his and your argument. That whole schpeel was a bunch of bullshit that won't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. |
| Another great episode. Vinland Saga once again proves it’s far more interested in exploring certain themes and questions than in thrilling its audience with spectacular violence. Canute and Ragnar's scene was really touching (and gorgeously animated). And Ono Kensho proved throughout the entire episode how perfect his casting as Canute was. The verbal exchange between Thorfinn and Thorkell was very significant for their characters, particularly the latter. As fun and entertaining as he’s been from the start, I greatly welcome seeing this more introspective side of Thorkell, where he reveals that even he feels incomplete and lacking in something amidst this world full of war and violence. It gives his character a whole new layer and dimension that makes him that much more interesting. His question also gives Thorfinn yet another chance to remember Thors and his words and deeds, but this only makes the boy angry, because the sad truth is he doesn’t want to think about that too deeply, probably because on some subconscious level he’s afraid of facing the fact that he’s become the complete opposite of what his father wished for him to be (and was himself). Couldn't help but notice they removed one of Askeladd's lines after Thorfinn fell into the trees. And the other was translated differently here, so all we got was a boring "I've lost all hope now." In the manga it was more interesting: "There goes my final pawn... now I'm really out of moves." Of course, little does he know that his gamble of killing Ragnar and betting on Canute growing up and becoming his own man has completely paid off now. Guess his luck hasn’t completely run out like his men had assumed. |
nanashi796 said: Yautja said: he doesn't mean discrimination in the sense we use that now.And I just explained why that priest is full of shit; he's a drunkard with a half-assed pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-philosophical understanding of the words he's using, preaching about a god and he barely understands & knows about. He may have that opinion, but that opinion, based on the definition of the words value and merit, is factually and semantically, wrong. Yea, and prioritizing or favoring someone you know and care about isn't "discrimination" in the proper sense of the word. That one word, "equivocation" fractures the entirety of his and your argument. That whole schpeel was a bunch of bullshit that won't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. One simple word. Equivocation: a fallacy caused by the double meaning of a word; the use of equivocal or ambiguous expressions, especially in order to mislead or hedge; prevarication. And considering every other word is used in the meaning we have for them today, the time period is not an excuse. |
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death604 said: Luthandorius said: The change in personality was a bit too sudden for Canute. Would have been better if he started with being more extrovert and trying to act like a leader but asking Askeladd or others for advice. But I guess since Askeladd was "busy" watching the fight between Thorkell and Thorfinn ... Canute just got the leadership superpowers and probably now is a better leader than Askeladd from 0 to 100. 100% this is what i'm having issue with. dude, if you could just articulate this one then this page wouldn't be a trashfest. that said I can agree with this but at the same time I couldn't. It's just a matter of perspective. some can transition that fast and some are slow on the uptake. some people will have to go through 4 divorces before swallowing the red pill and some don't have to, they just observe other people getting burned out from a failed relationship. it's just that in his case this was the perfect red pill for canute to swallow. some may puke it away and some won't. that's just how it is. still, canute's pride is another problem (at least for me). who the fuck does he think he is that he could create a "paradise on earth"? I want to kick that asshole's balls. this nigga thinks that just because he can type on a keyboard that means he is a master of using Goblin Techies in dota1 (my main hero btw). you're still a kid, get off your high horse. |
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| So the princess finally did the 180°. I hope this speeds up the plot a little. What was up with his face though. He got some real weird animations. Thorfinn vs Thorkell was nice. But too short honestly. Pretty decent so far, but I was expecting more from Wit. Imo animation of Kabaneri was better and thats 3 years old. |
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| This episode was pretty fun, but it did have some issues. I liked the fight between Thorfinn and Thorkell... or what little there was of it. Dude got tossed real high. Canute seemed like the main focus of this episode. I love that scene between him and Ragnar's spirit. So sweet! I don't buy that philosophical bullshit the priest was feeding him, but maybe he'll actually do something in the story now. I laughed out loud at some of the "serious scenes" in this episode. I don't know exactly what happened, but the animators fucked up the faces real bad. Seeing Askalaad on the verge of death is so satisfying. I'm curious to see what happens in the next episode. Canute vs Thorkell maybe? |
flipperblack said: Xelecus said: BUT .. I wished that they put his development in another episode. They'd rather focus on the fight in this episode and after it ends, we get to see the new version of Caunte. Overall 5/5 episode but could be better ofc. The development it's the same in the manga, if they put it in another episode they ruined everything in my opinion.And there's only 6 episodes left anyway... Yeah Yeah I know. But well, The ending of episode 17 left the fans with a huge hype and the delay for 2 weeks also made the fans very thirsty. So yeah, but I still love every episode from that anime no matter what lol. |
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savtruff said: Azazin said: For those who say love is discrimination... sorry but this is typical Jordan Peterson nonsense: See here: Falling In Love Is Discrimination But this is a more political position he is taking: If love is discrimination, nearly everything is discrimination (like friendship) which is shifting the focus away from real discrimination based on i.e. gender or ethnicity. I still think this is the proper use of the word: "treating a person or particular group of people differently, especially in a worse way from the way in which you treat other people, because of their skin colour, sex, sexuality, etc.: " https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/discrimination And i would insist that here is a difference between discrimination in the above mentioned context (of law for example) and individual preferences when it comes to love/friendship etc.. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/ I receive your sorry. I consider it debatable so that's why I said before it's up to you to receive that concept or not. I give Jordan peterson and Makoto yukimura (because the Priest Is medium) as example for who receive that concept, and that's why the priest's speech is make sense to me. They perspective of discrimination is not the meaning of discrimination that you googled and you said that the real discrimination base on e.g. gender or ethnicity, the origin of definition is etymology so Discrimination meaning just distinction. Nowdays yes discrimination meaning majorly have the negative connotation, but they take the etymology so that's make sense. Is etymology definition wrong? No. And also there's "positive discrimination" https://www.humanrights.gov.au/quick-guide/12078 . Discrimination have many terms. I know Petersons work and his own interpretation of 'discrimination', which is not convincing at all, but i know where you are coming from. If a speech of a drunk priest makes sense to you i'm fine with. For me and for others here its a lot of nonsense and your new argumentation about the history and original meaning of the word (hello Wikipedia knowledge) is a different topic where Yautja already wrote about. |
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savtruff said: Yautja said: One simple word. Equivocation: a fallacy caused by the double meaning of a word; the use of equivocal or ambiguous expressions, especially in order to mislead or hedge; prevarication. And considering every other word is used in the meaning we have for them today, the time period is not an excuse. It's okay if you think so and call me that. I think I'm not. 1>Even you can call the priest's pseudo-intellect or pseudo-philosophycal.< But 2>the Priest's is just medium, so that's Makoto yukimura for sure.< If it's real person even 3>if you asked "what is this?" is already philosophical there's no pseudo.< 1: Yes, I can, because evidently, I just did. Thanks, Captain Obvious. 2: Thank you, Captain Obvious. Everyone realizes that. 3: Clearly not since a significant amount of other people in this thread have complained about it. What a bad argument. You strike me as someone who does't know what either pseudo or philosophical mean. And considering the definition, I think it fits quite well. Especially considering numbers 4 - 6. I've still yet to see any sort of meaningful response about that blatant equivocation. You strike me as a bot, because every comment I've read between you and I, and other people, illustrate a stunning lack of, excuse the cliche, "je ne sais quoi". It's not often I have to bitch about someone's grammar, but seriously, fuckin' fix that shit. The comment I'm quoting is bad enough, but the others, especially the one just above this are insanely egregious. You're failing to communicate your positions both intellectually as well as etymologically. Which is compounded by the fact that you've not really made a single argument, just cited Peterson and made a few assertions which is masked by the aforementioned egregious grammar. |
YautjaNov 19, 2019 2:21 PM
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savtruff said: okay, let see your argument first, I interested with your comment which were you definitely gave the Discrimination : meaning that I thought you google it this where I came from, and with Yautja is the quote system first so it brought him and he come with the word topic, like you said there's a lot of here though it nonsense, it's okay, I don't hope you all to receive that just I said before, just want to informed it, and I remember there's a lot of people here who also to tried to answered it by give their argument about the meaning discrimination and love it's not far different with my argument. Okay back to the meaning of discrimination that you googled which was I thought it from dictionary which can be revised but etymology is different, if you still thought the meaning of discrimination just like that, it's quite understable, but let me here to try to answer you again that no it's not that discrimination which the priest mean, have you watched Fune wo amu? https://myanimelist.net/anime/32948/Fune_wo_Amu?q=Fune%20wo%20 It's about the making of dictionary. I use a search engine only to look up at a good dictionary for a precise definition which is more than you did since you replied. And after you argued with Peterson i know exactly where you are coming from. Its quite interesting that you think that your definition or approach to the issue is the only right one and only your argument is valid. |
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| Jordan Peterson? the same guy who tell men to man up and and be responsible so that the gynocentric system can extract resources from men? the same guy who says MGTOWs are a bunch of pathetic weasels? the same guy whose daughter is a disgusting single mother? yeah right. fuck that guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6F-oVIj3lg that thumbnail is a great meme for a reason. |
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death604 said: Cyber_Icarus said: yes you do. that's how trauma works, plus he's been struggling with his beliefs for quite a while now so it didn't come outta nowhere. how is this a bad thing exactly? i love the nitpicking in the thread lol rofl, you don't suddenly make a complete change of your character as if your previous character doesn't impact you. that shit doesn't make sense even if you have a trauma or PTSD you don't suddenly change charactrer at a drop of a hat as if your previous character that had that trauma didn't affect you anymore. that shit is blatant poor writing. also btw what trauma exactly are you talking about? It's not that he changed, it's his inner lion all along! |
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