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TOKYO - U.S. President Donald Trump has asked Japan to quadruple annual payments for U.S. forces stationed there to around $8 billion, Foreign Policy reported, part of Washington's efforts to press its allies to increase their defense spending.

The current agreement that covers the 54,000 U.S. troops stationed in Japan expires in March 2021.

The demand was made to Japanese officials during a trip to the region in July by John Bolton, at that time Trump's national security adviser, and Matt Pottinger, who was then the Asia director for the National Security Council, the U.S. global affairs magazine said, citing unidentified former U.S. officials.

A Japanese foreign ministry spokesman said the report was incorrect and no U.S.-Japan negotiations on a new agreement have taken place.

According to Kyodo news agency, Japanese officials told Bolton the increase is "unrealistic", saying Japan already pays a greater share of stationing costs than other allies.

A U.S. State Department spokesman said in an emailed statement: "The President has made clear that allies and partners should contribute more to their shared defense."

Negotiations to renew the agreement will start in the first half of next year, the spokesman said, adding that the U.S. commitment to Japan's defense was "unwavering".

Japan hosts the U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet, including the only permanently forward deployed carrier strike group, as well as the Third Marine Expeditionary Force.

In addition to defending Japan, those units use the archipelago as a base for operations in the wider Asia-Pacific region where U.S. military power acts as a counterbalance to China's growing influence.

Trump has also insisted Seoul shoulder more of the cost of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, where it serves as deterrence against North Korea, and has floated the idea of pulling U.S. troops from the peninsula.

https://japantoday.com/category/politics/trump-asked-tokyo-for-8-bln-to-keep-u.s.-troops-in-japan-foreign-policy
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a (world) police need salaries anyway lol so im fine with this move by Trump
 
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Let's be honest, Japan would literally be decimated if attacked by another Asian country [looking at you china] or if some sort of large scale terrorist attack took place, the damage could be catastrophic. In both situations, having the best military and a world super power at your doorstep for defence is something that shouldn't be cheap and should be appreciated. I do think Japan is a very good ally to the US but there's no such thing as charity when it comes to something like this.
 
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Cneq said:
Let's be honest, Japan would literally be decimated if attacked by another Asian country [looking at you china] or if some sort of large scale terrorist attack took place, the damage could be catastrophic. In both situations, having the best military and a world super power at your doorstep for defence is something that shouldn't be cheap and should be appreciated. I do think Japan is a very good ally to the US but there's no such thing as charity when it comes to something like this.
You got to be kidding me.Take your head out of trump ass for a second,will ya?First of all Murica isn't stationed in japan for doing charity, they are stationed there to secure their own hegemony and geopolitical dominance .Murican base in japan is liability to japan than anything which goes against Japanese geopolitical and economic interest. Also realistically speaking japan has no chance of being invaded by china in any way.And furthermore japan has its own mind you quite good nuclear, military and surveillance system even though it is limited by american law and pressure.
 
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Cneq said:
Let's be honest, Japan would literally be decimated if attacked by another Asian country [looking at you china] or if some sort of large scale terrorist attack took place, the damage could be catastrophic. In both situations, having the best military and a world super power at your doorstep for defence is something that shouldn't be cheap and should be appreciated. I do think Japan is a very good ally to the US but there's no such thing as charity when it comes to something like this.
You got to be kidding me.Take your head out of trump ass for a second,will ya?First of all Murica isn't stationed in japan for doing charity, they are stationed there to secure their own hegemony and geopolitical dominance .Murican base in japan is liability to japan than anything which goes against Japanese geopolitical and economic interest. Also realistically speaking japan has no chance of being invaded by china in any way.And furthermore japan has its own mind you quite good nuclear, military and surveillance system even though it is limited by american law and pressure.
So you're telling me just because it's a benefit to the US that we should neglect being paid for our services? Regardless of the benefit to the US it's a mutually beneficial relationship and therefore should be appreciated/paid by Japan. It's called good business and putting America's best interest first.

"Also realistically speaking japan has no chance of being invaded by china in any way"

If WW3 started and the world was split into two sides yet again you can sure as hell bet whoever sides with china would try to take the pacific and therefore attack Japan. Not to mention if a large scale terrorist attack took place the US would immediately send in troops to support.

"Japan has its own mind you quite good nuclear, military and surveillance system"

Would appreciate a source for this because even with raw numbers they are powerless to do anything if something large went down. The US troops stationed there alone are already almost 1/4 of the entire Japanese Defense Force and when you consider the US is pumping 100's of billions of dollars into military technology japan looks like a third world country in comparison. If you seriously think Japan could hold it's own against any of the world super powers without being decimated you have no clue on anything. Japan needs US support whether they like it or not, which is why they keep US troops in the first place.

And by the way it's nothing to do with trump, it's my own views on the military that happens to align with someone in power. If Hillary, Obama, Bush, Biden, Bernie or anyone else said the same thing I'd agree with their stance.
 
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They should tell them to get out then, the US would lose out with no money and the loss of dozens of bases all over Japan, the Japanese would be very happy to get rid of the troops and their sex attacks/murders and the incredibly noisy tilt rotor ospreys.

No one is attacking Japan if the US moves out, the Chinese would know the rest of the world would be against them.
 
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They should tell them to get out then, the US would lose out with no money and the loss of dozens of bases all over Japan, the Japanese would be very happy to get rid of the troops and their sex attacks/murders and the incredibly noisy tilt rotor ospreys.

No one is attacking Japan if the US moves out, the Chinese would know the rest of the world would be against them.

My thoughts exactly. Considering the amount of conflict the US instigates around the world, this stinks of a protection racket. If Japan told them to fuck off and was later attacked, I would know who to blame, and I would 100% expect some kind of smearing of Japan by the controlled mainstream media.
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They should just tell them to get lost, it's not like Japan has any benefit from them anyway.




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I see the mob is demanding more protection money.
This idiot military profiteering is a joke.

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I will not be surprised if Trump is just making insane demands that every diplomat probably knows won't be met to justify pulling back the troops and giving China free reign in the area. He seems to like pulling back troops and giving authoritarian governments more room to expand. He doesn't seem to care about global, political influence, only about money.

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Cneq said:
Let's be honest, Japan would literally be decimated if attacked by another Asian country [looking at you china] or if some sort of large scale terrorist attack took place, the damage could be catastrophic. In both situations, having the best military and a world super power at your doorstep for defence is something that shouldn't be cheap and should be appreciated. I do think Japan is a very good ally to the US but there's no such thing as charity when it comes to something like this.

first, there is little reason for China to attack Japan. politic tensions aside, Japan is a very important trading partner. According to wiki, Japan is China's 3rd largest trading partner, after US and EU.
Xi Jiping isnt dumb. he is not going to unecessarily start a war.

second, in the unlikely event that some other country, say Russia, sends their troops to attack Japan, do you honestly expect the small number of american soldiers stationed over there to stand a chance? US is far away, which means it takes time for US to send reinforcement troops. meanwhile, Russia is right next to Japan. same with China.

third, Japan is already paying 2 billion usd, which is nothing to scoff at.
paying 2 billion is hardly receiving "charity"
 
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A country does NOT maintain army forces in foreign territories and foreign water for the sake of world police or protecting allies, but for the sake of controlling/having a say in the security of these areas that are dimmed as important for their own national interest.

In other words, what Trump just did was to ask to be paid to continue doing what serves his own country.
It's the same logic as his stupid wall being paid by Mexico, more or less.
It's the same as the American troops being stationed in countries like Germany. Thinking that the EU needs that to protect itself from external threat is a nice joke that some peoples actually managed to take seriously.

Only peoples brainwashed by american propaganda would believe that there's a need to pay to continue here. They're going to continue regardless of being paid or not anyway.
Because the country profiting the most from the US troops being stationed there is the US itself.

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Does he remember that we occupied them they didnt ask us to be there...
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Cneq said:
Let's be honest, Japan would literally be decimated if attacked by another Asian country [looking at you china] or if some sort of large scale terrorist attack took place, the damage could be catastrophic. In both situations, having the best military and a world super power at your doorstep for defence is something that shouldn't be cheap and should be appreciated. I do think Japan is a very good ally to the US but there's no such thing as charity when it comes to something like this.

first, there is little reason for China to attack Japan. politic tensions aside, Japan is a very important trading partner. According to wiki, Japan is China's 3rd largest trading partner, after US and EU.
Xi Jiping isnt dumb. he is not going to unecessarily start a war.

second, in the unlikely event that some other country, say Russia, sends their troops to attack Japan, do you honestly expect the small number of american soldiers stationed over there to stand a chance? US is far away, which means it takes time for US to send reinforcement troops. meanwhile, Russia is right next to Japan. same with China.

third, Japan is already paying 2 billion usd, which is nothing to scoff at.
paying 2 billion is hardly receiving "charity"
If Russia decided to attack Japan the world wide climate would've already been pretty hostile before that and most likely the US would of stationed even more troops in order to protect the pacific and even with 50 thousand they could still hold their own combined with the Japanese Defense force while waiting for reinforcements.

"third, Japan is already paying 2 billion usd, which is nothing to scoff at.
paying 2 billion is hardly receiving "charity"

When you consider like I said the US has been spending 100's of billions of dollars on training troops, weapon production, bombs, vehicles etc etc 2 billion is chump change and while not "charity" it's still an extremely low amount. We're talking nations here, 2 billion even to upper class individuals is pretty low. Not to mention this is 2 billion as insurance to protect the livelihoods 120 million+ Japanese.
 
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Zefyris said:
A country does NOT maintain army forces in foreign territories and foreign water for the sake of world police or protecting allies, but for the sake of controlling/having a say in the security of these areas that are dimmed as important for their own national interest.

In other words, what Trump just did was to ask to be paid to continue doing what serves his own country.
It's the same logic as his stupid wall being paid by Mexico, more or less.
It's the same as the American troops being stationed in countries like Germany. Thinking that the EU needs that to protect itself from external threat is a nice joke that some peoples actually managed to take seriously.

Only peoples brainwashed by american propaganda would believe that there's a need to pay to continue here. They're going to continue regardless of being paid or not anyway.
Because the country profiting the most from the US troops being stationed there is the US itself.

"In other words, what Trump just did was to ask to be paid to continue doing what serves his own country."

So there's literally no benefit for the US being there if a war/major event took place? You already know the answer which is "Yes, it is a benefit" but you probably think war would never happen. Trump put America's best interest first while still charging for services that have mutual benefit for both Japan and the US, it's a good business move. Not to mention troops being stationed places not only serves as insurance if something does happen but also as a deterrent to limit the possibilities of something happening in the first place.
 
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Cneq said:
Let's be honest, Japan would literally be decimated if attacked by another Asian country [looking at you china] or if some sort of large scale terrorist attack took place, the damage could be catastrophic. In both situations, having the best military and a world super power at your doorstep for defence is something that shouldn't be cheap and should be appreciated. I do think Japan is a very good ally to the US but there's no such thing as charity when it comes to something like this.


I don't know why so many people even believe that the Chinese army is ready for war. Especially when it comes to attacking island countries that have a strong natural defense. I don't know what video games teach you but things are a bit different in real life and there are numerous factors you have to consider. As I said in a previous thread it would probably take more than a year for them to defeat a country like Taiwan. They are not in any position to "decimate" anything unless they decide to throw their entire nuclear arsenal at it which would be the dumbest move one could ever make.
 
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I don't know why so many people even believe that the Chinese army is ready for war.
Neither was the Red Army, but they still fought back the Germans.


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Does japan even want us there?

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So there's literally no benefit for the US being there if

The country ripping the most benefits from having military bases everywhere on other countries soil is that country itself.
In other words, USA.
If USA was getting paid on top of this, they would rip the benefits WHILE being paid to do so, which is ridiculous. If you seriously believe that other countries are asking for the USA to implant bases on their OWN territory for a century you've been brainwashed by USA's propaganda.
No one is going to pay for having soldiers of another, even if allied, country sitting there outside of a war period.
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Bring 'em home. We shouldn't be the world's police and our military shouldn't be mercenaries for hire. If conservatives want to conserve the commitments of the fathers they may want to remember that Thomas Jefferson wanted to include an amendment against standing armies in the bill of rights. As well as a ban on monopolies. But let's start with that.
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For everyone who thinks China is going to invade someone....you guys do know that the only country on the UN Permanent Security Council to have not fired a bullet on foreign soil in the last 60 years is China right, and that war was largely manufactured to purposefully lose as to remove hawkish/pro-expansionary party members from the cabinet.
 
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Freaking US with their imperialist nationalism.

I hope Japan can get rid of them and properly establish their own forces.
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Article 9 of the Japanese constitution which was imposed by the US made it so Japan could not maintain armed forces with war potential. An amendment in 2014 only gave some exception to defending allies if attacked. Under these conditions it could be seen as a form of extortion to jack up the price four times more suddenly.
 
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China wouldn't attack japan even if the US leaves. Firstly, china has some major enemies surrounding it's borders so it isn't wise for china to attack japan. Also, china isn't absolute boss of asia like US is of north america. China has other asian nations to worry about as well.
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I mean, Japan has the highest debt to GDP ratio in the entire world so it wouldn't be wrong to claim they aren't paying their fair share.
 
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Take a look at what happened with Russia and Ukraine and that's recent.
 
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"Japan pays an average of 189.3 billion yen — or between $1.65 billion and $1.95 billion, depending on currency exchange rates — per year to support U.S. bases in the country as part of a five-year deal signed in 2015."

https://www.rollcall.com/news/nikkei-poll-japan-pays-enough-u-s-military-bases#:~:targetText=%22Japan%20pays%20an%20average%20of,year%20deal%20signed%20in%202015.%22

Japan paid around $2 billion every year. Trump want to quadraple that. Really not making any sense. No wonder South Korea choose to ignore Trump similar demand. Yeah, US better just leave. The Okinawa doesn't like them anyway.
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. Also, china isn't absolute boss of asia like US is of north america. China has other asian nations to worry about as well.
China is militarily boss of East Asia. No East Asian nation can challenge China who has the largest army in the world. India is the only Asian nation that can challenge China.
 
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cythraul said:
. Also, china isn't absolute boss of asia like US is of north america. China has other asian nations to worry about as well.
China is militarily boss of East Asia. No East Asian nation can challenge China who has the largest army in the world. India is the only Asian nation that can challenge China.


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China is militarily boss of East Asia. No East Asian nation can challenge China who has the largest army in the world. India is the only Asian nation that can challenge China.


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