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Nov 13, 1:57 PM

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People often joke that children are too coddled these days and need a good spanking or two to set them straight. What do you peeps think?
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Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?
 
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No child abuse is never justified. Those who do it deserve to go to jail and lose custody of their children, such barbaric behaviour has no place in a modern society.




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Esquirtit said:
Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?


No it's not dumb. What do you expect them to do, play board games for entertainment? lmao
 
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AxxLife said:
Esquirtit said:
Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?


No it's not dumb. What do you expect them to do, play board games for entertainment? lmao
Yes? Board games can actually make a kid smarter unlike phones which will fuck up their eyes too.
 
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No child abuse is never justified. Those who do it deserve to go to jail and lose custody of their children, such barbaric behaviour has no place in a modern society.


Spanking is fine. Are you filled with soy or something?

AxxLife said:
Esquirtit said:
Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?


No it's not dumb. What do you expect them to do, play board games for entertainment? lmao


There's no reason to spend over 500$ for your kids phones/tablets. Even 9 year olds get them these days. I'm fine with gaming consoles and stuff
 
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Nah, I don't think hitting kids is a good punishment. It teaches them that violence is okay. Besides, there are lots of other ways to punish a kid without resorting to violence.

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Esquirtit said:
Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?


No it's not dumb. What do you expect them to do, play board games for entertainment? lmao

They can find entertainment in things other than tablets. Especially if they have a sibling or a friend to play with.
This reminds me of when I was waiting to get a haircut. There was this kid playing with a smartphone who didn't look older than five, and the moment it was taken from him he started screeching. Literally no more than a second. Jesus Christ it was annoying.

I don't think kids younger than ten should have free-range of the internet.

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Xstasy said:
No child abuse is never justified. Those who do it deserve to go to jail and lose custody of their children, such barbaric behaviour has no place in a modern society.


Spanking is fine. Are you filled with soy or something?

Ok boomer.



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There's nothing wrong with spanking children. I mean just look at me, they trashed me like all hell and I've grown into a fine person. Haven't I? (please don't answer that question)


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It doesn't go far enough really. They need to be literally whipped into shape.
 
Nov 13, 2:29 PM

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Nope. The research on corporal punishment shows that it's ineffective and harms the child.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/health/spanking-harmful-study-pediatricians.html

There are better ways to deal with kids. I'd do myself and any kid I interact with and babysit a great disservice by ignoring research
 
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Gotta love the framing and misuse of science in these kinds of topics. @Scud says pretty much what is needed in the thread lol
 
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@gleamblossom but whats wrong with them using phones or tablets for entertainment? nothing. you can sit on your ass on a computer all day but kids shouldn't be able to use a phone and play fortnite mobile or something?
 
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AxxLife said:


No it's not dumb. What do you expect them to do, play board games for entertainment? lmao
Yes? Board games can actually make a kid smarter unlike phones which will fuck up their eyes too.


well I'm sure 99% of children nowadays would prefer to use a phone than play some lame board game. Doesn't matter if it makes them smarter at all. We are talking entertainment here. If you were a child in this day and age you also would much rather use a phone/tablet than play a board game.
 
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@gleamblossom but whats wrong with them using phones or tablets for entertainment? nothing. you can sit on your ass on a computer all day but kids shouldn't be able to use a phone and play fortnite mobile or something?


Wasn't saying it was entirely wrong. I just see so many unsupervised kids playing about on the internet. If a parent can't at the very least have some sort of limitations and supervise their kid, then they shouldn't let them have a tablet, you know? You never know what they might stumble upon in this dark place that could be harmful to them.
It's preferable for them to play on consoles with limited access.

I'm not a fan of kids, but I'm not heartless.

Also, bruh, don't call me out like that lmao.



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Spanking and any sort of soft punishment can be effective. But, if it leaves a bruise or a lasting scar, you've gone too far

I'd rather take their toys/phones as punishment tbh
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@gleamblossom but whats wrong with them using phones or tablets for entertainment? nothing. you can sit on your ass on a computer all day but kids shouldn't be able to use a phone and play fortnite mobile or something?


Nothing by itself but there are many online personas in YT and such that are not necessarily rolemodels, let's put it that way. Some time and content limitations would be healthy. Depends on age too.

OT: Yes. I can probably think of some absurd scenario where hitting the kid saves lives or something lol.
 
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Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?
The "smartphone complaints" is the first place where "my generation" turns into old complainers who basically complain that the young have access to technology they hadn't when their age.

I've noticed from a young age that the elder tend to be fearful of the young having access to technology for the simple reason that they didn't have it. First it was radio, then it was television, then it was computer, and now it's smartphones; for whatever reason it's super scary that the new generation of course grows up with the benefits of technological advancement that the prior generation did not. I grew up personally with a weird rule that I could only spend 1 hour behind the computer per day, that was somewhat normal; I should instead of that just watch t.v., of course my parent was prohibited from watching too much t.v., and should instead just listen to the radio.

It's all æqually idiotic and irrational fear.


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Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?
The "smartphone complaints" is the first place where "my generation" turns into old complainers who basically complain that the young have access to technology they hadn't when their age.

I've noticed from a young age that the elder tend to be fearful of the young having access to technology for the simple reason that they didn't have it. First it was radio, then it was television, then it was computer, and now it's smartphones; for whatever reason it's super scary that the new generation of course grows up with the benefits of technological advancement that the prior generation did not. I grew up personally with a weird rule that I could only spend 1 hour behind the computer per day, that was somewhat normal; I should instead of that just watch t.v., of course my parent was prohibited from watching too much t.v., and should instead just listen to the radio.

It's all æqually idiotic and irrational fear.


There are enough rational fears due to negative effects of social media and such.

Giving kids in primary school high-end phones/tablets, I think it's ridiculous. I've seen the retardation that comes with it. I grew up with similar rules you have but in that time social media wasn't as prevalent as it is now, so it's not as irrational.

 
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if the kid did wrong and it was their own parents who did that hitting to them, then it's okay-ish as long as it's done because of love and not something that could inflict psychological trauma to the kid. what parents wanna harm their own children anyway
 
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The "smartphone complaints" is the first place where "my generation" turns into old complainers who basically complain that the young have access to technology they hadn't when their age.

I've noticed from a young age that the elder tend to be fearful of the young having access to technology for the simple reason that they didn't have it. First it was radio, then it was television, then it was computer, and now it's smartphones; for whatever reason it's super scary that the new generation of course grows up with the benefits of technological advancement that the prior generation did not. I grew up personally with a weird rule that I could only spend 1 hour behind the computer per day, that was somewhat normal; I should instead of that just watch t.v., of course my parent was prohibited from watching too much t.v., and should instead just listen to the radio.

It's all æqually idiotic and irrational fear.


There are enough rational fears due to negative effects of social media and such.
Yes, these vague "negative effects" that one can find for literally every single activity ever. Every activity has some negative and positive effects; before there were the negative effects of television, of radio, of playing football outside, and thus forth, the negative effects of living alone, the negative effects of cohabitating.

Giving kids in primary school high-end phones/tablets, I think it's ridiculous. I've seen the retardation that comes with it. I grew up with similar rules you have but in that time social media wasn't as prevalent as it is now, so it's not as irrational.
Yes, social media, technology you didn't grow up with, and now it's scary that the next generation does.

And that generation will instead tell the one after that "Don't spend so much time with <new technology>, use more social media instead!" and the cycle continues ad infinitum.


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@Sphinxter

Bringing phones/tablets to school brings a lot of issues in class. Maybe it's just as much of an issue as Pokemon cards but they sure as hell aren't as expensive.

I've not done any research so whatever, I don't really give a shit about it either lol.

My point was more that taking them away is a good form of punishment. As is with any luxury kids take for granted and misuse.
 
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Bringing phones/tablets to school brings a lot of issues in class. Maybe it's just as much of an issue as Pokemon cards but they sure as hell aren't as expensive.
The amount of money I had seen some whales spend on Pokémon cards... it's the same issue as with any entertainment in class; the older generation simply objects when a child is caught up in a smartphone, but strangely not when his attention is just as much distracted from a book.

I've not done any research so whatever, I don't really give a shit about it either lol.
Yet you have very strong opinions, and still claim they not be irrational.

My point was more that taking them away is a good form of punishment. As is with any luxury kids take for granted and misuse.
What is the "misuse" exactly?


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The amount of money I had seen some whales spend on Pokémon cards... it's the same issue as with any entertainment in class; the older generation simply objects when a child is caught up in a smartphone, but strangely not when his attention is just as much distracted from a book.


Tbf, my parents have wasted a lot of money on my Pokemon addiction too. It's still an issue that because of smartphones there's a lack of attention. That there are other causes doesn't change that.

Yet you have very strong opinions, and still claim they not be irrational


Because I've heard and read things, can't remember much but whatever negative effects mentioned seemed plausible thus I came to the conclusion it's not simply ''irrational'' fear. I still don't think I'm irrational, we're speaking in the context of parenting children, in which you try to negate the negative effects as much as possible?

What is the "misuse" exactly?


Using them in class causing you to do badly in school, unhealthy sleeping habits, anti-social behaviour, basically neglecting anything that's bad for your health and defies rules a parent gave to their child.
 
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I think you need to approach child raising with the carrot and stick strategy, but there are a lot of ways you can deploy the "stick" without resorting to hitting your kid which scientifically speaking we know has a chance to hurt the results of how they turn out later down the line.

Although I DO wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment that Millineals and Zoomers are total fucking pussies now a days and I don't think physical punishment should be completely off the table; just that it should be a last resort.

Like I'm sorry but if a kid ran through a store causing hundreds of dollars of damages and just would not listen to their mom and there was nothing she could do to get him under control I'm sorry but she needs to grab that kid and give him a fucking spanking; I guarantee he will never do that shit again.
 
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My mom disciplined me quite a bit when I was a kid. She used this stick to spank me and my brothers. I grew up just fine.

Dealing actual ass whoopings are obviously not good for the development of a child, but a little, controlled discipline won't hurt anyone.
 
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So yeah. Feel free to take parenting advice from Russell Peters.

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There's nothing wrong with spanking children. I mean just look at me, they trashed me like all hell and I've grown into a fine person. Haven't I? (please don't answer that question)

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sometimes if you're a little shit, you gotta be treated like a little shit
 
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Ew to anyone using the term zoomer. You somehow come off as worse than the people you claim are pussies, congrats.

Guess that means they're period blood or some other genital discharge that is unwanted..
 
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I'm not a kid anymore, but I wish someone would spank me...

My father beat me with a frying pan once, but I'm still this amazing and awesome human being. Maybe it doesn't work for everyone?
 
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There has been way too many threads on this. It's been shown in studies that negative reinforcment through physical force has more negative than positive effects and that positive reinforcement of good behaviour is better and more effective.
 
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It is not too effective in actually changing behavior for the better long term, and it is lazy and causes more problems. A better method of control is one where there is a painful psychological feedback for their actions, like guilt and fear of failure, by indoctrinating them with a strong healthy familiar relationship and pride, as the state does.
The child can, in that way, beat themselves without you having to be around or doing physical labor. It is optimal.
It can come to a point where such a thing would be necessary in extreme cases, but you are a failure of a parent if you allowed it to get to that point anyway.

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@MasterGlyth I think I'm imagining something way different than what your post describes lol can you give a couple examples of what you mean?
 
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The harder you hit your children the more they learn their lesson.
Sometimes I take my kids (that I had with that bitch Jessica Masternfarfen) and throw them at like..a solid wall.
And that's how parenting works.
 
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The harder you hit your children the more they learn their lesson.
Sometimes I take my kids (that I had with that bitch Jessica Masternfarfen) and throw them at like..a solid wall.
And that's how parenting works.
I did something similar recently but they fell asleep, they have been like this for several days, apparently that makes them more lazy.




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@MasterGlyth I think I'm imagining something way different than what your post describes lol can you give a couple examples of what you mean?

What part?
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The child can, in that way, beat themselves without you

You dirty.
I'm just saying that when you establish a good family relationship, the child will feel guilty and be dissuaded from behavior they know would disappoint the parent, so you won't have to be on them all the time, and won't misbehave when you aren't around like with physical punishment.

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spanking is ok but don't go too far
physical punishment is not really an effective way to reinforce children's behaviors in my opinion
 
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make them do push ups instead just like how they do discipline in the military

but joking aside science have shown its not effective but i see a lot parents here like got no other choice but to spank their kids just to stop being wild especially in public
 
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It does more harm than good, but maybe if they did something really bad a spank is fine here and there, just don’t do it over the little things. The goal is to tell them it’s wrong, not to scare or hurt them. We shouldn’t be worrying if we’re “too soft on our kids these days”, as long as they’re learning their lessons and know what’s right from wrong, it shouldn’t matter how it’s done (unless it’s abusive, then I’m calling CPS)
 
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make them do push ups instead just like how they do discipline in the military

but joking aside science have shown its not effective but i see a lot parents here like got no other choice but to spank their kids just to stop being wild especially in public

Close. What you do is get the other kids to do push ups while saying they need to give the problem child some proper motivation, Full Metal Jacket style. ;)
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Only if my child does something that causes harm to others, just like my mom did to us.

One time, I got the greatest ass whooping of my life by playing with fire inside our neighbors house.
Stole a large sum of money from my aunt who visited us? Yeah I got that boots that my dad wears right up my ass.

If it doesn't involve harming others, then there's no point in spanking them. Just some light discipline is fine.
 
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Once in a while yes, otherwise they tend to grow up self centered arseholes.

It's funny no one in my classes had ADD or whatever because they got the blackboard cleaner thrown at them if they weren't paying attention. The threat of being physically hurt does tend to make a person behave better.
 
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I don't see it as particularly effective, no, as somebody who's got smacked in the head as a form of punishment decently often growing up. Not like I didn't get in trouble, not like it made me do homework, not like it encouraged me to get better grades.

Things that stick with kids are a lot more beneficial to their development. It's why they need to touch the fire sometimes. The pain from being smacked is temporary and it'll always be temporary. At worst, they become more disposed towards violence as a reaction to problems as a result.
 
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eh.. My mother always spank me when I was a child, she's very strict but I grow up fine.. I'm not spoiled or whatever. And also spanking is normal before in my country but now.. they prohibit it. From what I observed, when spanking is normal before, kids are not hard headed and behave unlike now.. kids are unruly and rebellious.
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I feel light spanking when they're young is fine but after they learn to speak you should actually learn to discipline them by other means.
 
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Punishment really shouldn't be hitting. Discipline should. I got beaten by all sorts of non-scarring instruments as a kid growing up till early teens. Belts, bamboos, rings, slaps, spanks, sticks, shoes, all sorts of instruments. Imo it's good in moderation because it teaches discipline but you have to be clear about your motives. And please don't hit autistic kids or other kids with problems. This is why school shooters are a thing.

So yeah, beat your kid to make him behave and no more. Implying he doesn't listen at all. Children won't ever respect a parent that doesn't assert dominance because that's how things work.

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My father beat me with a frying pan once, but I'm still this amazing and awesome human being. Maybe it doesn't work for everyone?
Whoa, that's some hard-core shit right there. Elaborate more, did he atleast knock you the fuck out? If not, that is quite lenient of him.
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Smacking a child doesn't equate to child abuse. Many people don't understand the difference, and how it's actually useful.
 
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I was sent to a strict and boring elementary school. Teachers would slap hard, really hard multiple times, to the students whom didn't finish their homework the next day or if they were having conversations during lectures and all that bs, so I've basically grown up in that taboo society. It was literal hell when I look back at it. But while I do think they were being waaay too harsh when it came to punishing us, I don't think it's immoral to hit children as long as no one crosses the limit. Like a mild slapping should do the trick if the kid's not listening but still, go with the easy way first i.e. not straight up spanking the kid and have a reasoning with him/her to behave.
 
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Taking away their luxury works as well. I can't believe the age at which children are given high-end phones/tablets these days. It's so dumb, what has society done. Are we all just gay frogs?


Exactly, I seen five-years walking around with their own iPhone and Android phones these days.

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Physical punishment actually doesn't deter unfavorable behavior, the only lesson it teaches is to not get caught doing it. It's better to encourage good behavior than it is to discourage bad behavior

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Saying that beating kids is ok because you were hit as a child and still turned out fine is like saying that smoking is fine because your grandpa smoked and didn't get cancer.

Stop being naive. Corporal punishment isn't even a controversial topic in developmental psychology, it's pretty clear at this point. Violating the bodily autonomy of your child won't reliably make it a better person. Quite the opposite.
 
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