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Nov 9, 2019 6:02 PM

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Man what a great but depressing episode. They did really well characterizing the internal conflict she's experiencing and has been for years. I hope that her experience with the club opens her up like she keeps trying to do. I think we all know too well the desire to find happiness but something inside, whether it be pride, shame, or just pure human stubbornness, keeps us from finding that happiness even when it's completely within reach.
 
Nov 9, 2019 6:03 PM

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What I don't get with the Dojima family is why was Keiishi just allowed to walk away and everybody was fine with his decision to quit school and playing the koto when he's supposedly more talented? Sounds like some double standard BS going on and the pressure cracked Akira's brain.


I'm pretty sure it wasn't an easy decision to make and though we never get to see it, I doubt that "everybody was fine" with it. These things always involve quite a bit of upset for everyone involved. But to answer the question: I'm also pretty sure it's one of those Japanese "social expectations" things. As the older of the two, and even more so as the man, it's his responsibility to take care of his family, which in this case means making sure his little sister can go to school and not starve or freeze to death. Something he apparently couldn't have done just playing the koto, despite his talent - another one of those harsh reality checks we don't normally get in anime.
Thanks. I didn't really think of the social expectations beyond the family's desperation to keep their involvement with koto alive.
 
Nov 9, 2019 6:44 PM

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Good performance from Touyama Nao in voicing Akira. The personality changes suits her character, it really conveys Akira's feelings.



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Nov 9, 2019 7:26 PM

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I hate Akira and I hated the first part of this episode. I could give a damn about her past or why she is the way she is. She's sounds like a baby to me.

Second half was saved with Hozuki though realizing how well Akira preformed and confessing to her temper tantrum.

I hope this series gets more episode because I can't stand Akira and would like a more entertaining arc.
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Nov 9, 2019 7:39 PM

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I KNEW TRUCK-KUN WAS GONNA MAKE AN ENTRANCE (i just thought the bro would've died too)
 
Nov 9, 2019 10:27 PM
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hmm well that is something... the pass of the new character explored
 
Nov 10, 2019 12:17 AM
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Wow, this was some stunning episode! Didn't think we'd get nearly an entire episode on her but boy is the pay-off brilliant!

Direction was simply impeccable! From the very start, they absolutely captured the tone and the experience going through this was bloody amazing!

You just can't help but feel for Akira here. She's clearly lost a part of her amidst the pressure and self-loathing. God, the start of her performance was simply gold though.

Anyway, I can't wait to see what's in store for us next! I'm almost certain the club's resonant music will get across to her next episode, she just needs that one slight push to overcome this mental trauma I reckon.

Sweet little Hozuki x Chika moment thrown in here too, they better get somewhere by the end of this season! Brief highlight on Hozuki as well, and they were, needless to say really, great!
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Nov 10, 2019 12:39 AM

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This was a great episode. Soooo good in explaining Akiras character/personality. She feels bad because she is hard-working and Hozuki is talanted. Reminds her of her brother as well - when she saw Hozuki and her brother behind Chika and the other guy with her behind him ... saying the teacher must be bad guy to pair Chika with the other guy. (He must have similar feelilngs than her - she thinks.)

Winning the contest while she was still was worse (just because Hozuki got disqualified) must have felt like they wanted to mock her.

Simple and authentic psychology without explaining it too much in detail - cause everyone just knows what's happening in their heads.

Now I really wanna see how they solve this. Maybe the teacher can compose a piece where Akira can shine. Maybe the other hardworking guy from the club can change her (he doesn't seem to be bothered by being worse). There must be some reason for her to trying that hard. Wanting the attention of the brother or parents (but they are dead now). She could just do Koto for fun and feel happy with a normal amount of attention. A straightforward competition between her and Hozuki where she does her best and gets 2nd place (instead of winning) might be the best - to make up for the "mistake" in the past where she won but was only the 2nd strongest.
 
Nov 10, 2019 1:04 AM

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This anime is so good in explaining the background story of an character.
Also the pacing is great they able to connect it in the present.

The past of Dojima was sad af at first her life was perfect and in just one blink all of it gone by one tragedy.It 's like all the burden was given to her.

Hoping she find the light that shes been looking for. Also im cravin for more from this anime the story is good af.Story is well executed and more deep compare last season.

5/5 episode!

Btw dojima is so cute when shes a little xD
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Nov 10, 2019 1:33 AM

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Still held back by darkness..
After these episodes in the beginning fleeting with emotions of happiness
This sure got dark. Such a sad story

Honestly feels like this is wanting to tell how broken the world of professionals is. Not just with the koto.
Youths being pressured so much by adults that were broken long ago and are clouded by success. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the adults are most likely pressuring their children because of their own frustration.
That's also one reason why I love Takinami's situation the most for now

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Nov 10, 2019 12:59 PM

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Dark aura engulfs Akira! is that what happens when a Champion from hard work suddenly encounters a rebellious genuis koto girl who played recklessly to get her mom back but in process that she was disqualified but her talent clearly surpasses any champ hard worker? lolz
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Nov 10, 2019 3:21 PM

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I feel like this anime is getting better as it goes, but I can't help but notice the decline in art quality for this episode. Kind of off-putting when this is a more major episode, where we are learning about Akira, her real personality and motives. Was afraid I'd get bored of this series after the first 3 episodes but this one made me hopeful.
 
Nov 10, 2019 3:35 PM
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This was where I changed my view of Akira as well. Although it seems a few still don't understand Akira, but well, that's to be expected. Not everyone can or will empathize or relate to every other person/character.

Since I wrote it better when I first read this part of the story, I'm just going to copy and past some parts:

Talent versus hard work and dedication is always something that comes up, and it's really relatable to most of us. Her inferiority complex stems from the fact that the person she admired almost her whole life is also the person she kept comparing herself to. It also really sucks that she had to deal with that grandmother, which in that way, she and Satowa are similar, brought up in a environment where people expect things of you, and to carry on tradition.

I like the way we see Akira's turmoil. She's had too much negative emotions that she's being pulled back, despite wanting to help Satowa. For a moment, she understood that Satowa was just a child, and understood why Satowa did what she did in the competition back then. Yet Akira still couldn't let go of all the resentment, all the pain that Satowa indirectly caused her. Again, it's hard to accept someone else's talent when you've had to put so much time and effort to achieve even just a little recognition (although Satowa's talent could only blossom if she worked hard).

I think it was exacerbated by how people were saying that Satowa would've won had she not been disqualified, and how although Akira won, they didn't truly acknowledge it, since they could not remember her performance. Satowa's "selfishness" resulted in Akira's pain, but both characters' feelings were understandable.

I really can't bring myself to dislike Akira anymore, her tendency to have a negative outlook on things really reminds me of myself. She understands Satowa more now, but she's unable to forgive Satowa and move past her inferiority complex. I'm surprised she stepped down so fast. She was the one who forcefully stepped into their koto club. Despite her negative attitude towards the club members, they still learned a lot from her.
 
 
Nov 10, 2019 6:15 PM

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The visuals and feels of this show... the darkness and the light contrast - this slowly becoming on par with the greatness of the second season of Sagatsu no Lion.

Very good backstory. Can really hate the girl when all I see is how she struggles to like what she's doing. Touyama Nao really takes her character to stellar levels. Wonder who will it be that finally breaks her out of her shell. My bet is on Kudou, his candid sincerity in the right moment can do miracles.

I only wonder how far they are from each other age-wise. But Akira still seems to attend their school (else she wouldn't be changing her shoes like that] so probably the third year there, their senpai? Two years difference would make a lot of sense since she would have been still at high school when the competition happened (and Satowa at middle school). Can someone who read he manga confirm her age? Her brother is probably also 2-3 years apart from her it seems as she went working right out of the school back then.
 
Nov 11, 2019 1:00 AM

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Akira's past huh, definitely a good episode to watch, finally I can understand her after watching her past. Excited to see how she will change and be friends with everyone.
 
Nov 11, 2019 5:38 AM

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Tragedy really hit Akira, and her brother hard. I'm relieved that her resentment towards Houzuki isn't as unreasonable as I expected it to be. I mean, it still is since Houzuki never meant to hurt her, but this is life I guess. I felt so bad for Akira's brother. He had a future, but he had to give up on his dream to provide for him, and his sister. And their grandmother, who clearly wasn't a good person even then, used his sacrifice/choice as a way to pressure Akira, making everything worse. The koto she loved so much didn't exist anymore, it was just a burden.

It's really sad, she gave her all to that performance, and Houzuki was sincere when she complimented her for it, and she was also honest about her motivations for playing that piece the way she did back then. But Akira's darkness is too deep. It seemed like she would take a step towards Houzuki and her light, but she couldn't. This darkness with no exit ended up becoming a "comforting" zone from which she is afraid to get out from. Here's hoping Akira can walk towards light after all, and maybe even become a bridge between Houzuki, and her mother. I especially liked the bit in which she was teaching Kurusu this time. It made pretty clear that she really is teaching them as well as she can.
 
 
Nov 11, 2019 6:55 AM

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The visuals and feels of this show... the darkness and the light contrast - this slowly becoming on par with the greatness of the second season of Sagatsu no Lion.

Very good backstory. Can really hate the girl when all I see is how she struggles to like what she's doing. Touyama Nao really takes her character to stellar levels. Wonder who will it be that finally breaks her out of her shell. My bet is on Kudou, his candid sincerity in the right moment can do miracles.

I only wonder how far they are from each other age-wise. But Akira still seems to attend their school (else she wouldn't be changing her shoes like that] so probably the third year there, their senpai? Two years difference would make a lot of sense since she would have been still at high school when the competition happened (and Satowa at middle school). Can someone who read he manga confirm her age? Her brother is probably also 2-3 years apart from her it seems as she went working right out of the school back then.


Manga did mention her age.
She's 20 years old right now.
She probably didn't go to college either, really spent her full 2 years dedicated to koto, trying to become as good as her brother. But the difference between the ordinary and the talented is so great that these 2 years of full dedication still does make her come remotely close to her brother and female mc's standard.

However one thing she's good at is teaching since unlike the talented, she is an ordinary who learn from real dedication and long years of hard work, so she knows how to teach the ordinary. The talented have a hard time teaching the ordinary because the way they learn is so natural and fast, that they cannot understand why the normies struggle.

Also as sneak peak, Akira probably become my favorite female cast in the serie a few more chapters later, which me myself was surprised too that how this could be possible.
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Nov 11, 2019 8:02 AM

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This episode was so heavy. I don't really like Akira but i understand that horrible feeling like being dragged down into darkness and how it makes you into a person you don't like. It's also so sad that her brother's kindness (sacrificing his own career for her) became a shackle to her instead of her inspiration.
 
Nov 11, 2019 8:51 AM
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After watching this episode I can't really hate her.. I mean it's not just a unreasonable jealousy... it's really painful to watch.
 
Nov 11, 2019 9:09 AM
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The two of them have really suffered No matter what they do
 
Nov 11, 2019 10:09 AM

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Kono Oto Tomare! is SO GOOD at building up emotion, that Violet Evergarden pales in comparison.

This episode completely changes my mind of this whole character, and not only do I understand her, I also sympathize her. It feels so real and down to earth, that you can really understand her motive and struggling.

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So we get to see Akira's back story, from a joyful little girl she becomes this crazy bitch, jaz because she won by a default, she should've been happy and yet she's still bitching around.

I do hope that Akria gets to know her place.


Lmao, 2 years of effort -> won because a prodigy toss away her own victory -> every audiences laugh at her because she only won cuz the first place let her win.

Yet you think she's just bitching around?
How could anyone have been happy? Are you this pitiful?

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Akira had a chance to do the right thing and let go of her petty jealousy but nope. Had to go down the bitchy road and quit as their teacher. Wonder i Takinami can talk some sense into her about being so jelly over a 15 year old.

What I don't get with the Dojima family is why was Keiishi just allowed to walk away and everybody was fine with his decision to quit school and playing the koto when he's supposedly more talented? Sounds like some double standard BS going on and the pressure cracked Akira's brain.


I'd be surprised if some pretty words can save her so easily after years of struggling and suffering
If this is the case, I call it bad writing.

Akira would probably change after listen to their music: 天泣 though.
It'd be a climax of the story I bet.

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Pitiful?????? I don't know about you but a victory is a victory, if there is anybody who is pitiful that would have been the girl who threw her chances of getting another win................How would I would I feel? If I'm Japanese maybe, but since I'm not I can always wave that plaque in their faces and tell them "Well, I got the plaque and you don't so "SHUT UP!?" Besides man it ain't always that one wins due to a default.
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Akira had a chance to do the right thing and let go of her petty jealousy but nope. Had to go down the bitchy road and quit as their teacher. Wonder i Takinami can talk some sense into her about being so jelly over a 15 year old.

What I don't get with the Dojima family is why was Keiishi just allowed to walk away and everybody was fine with his decision to quit school and playing the koto when he's supposedly more talented? Sounds like some double standard BS going on and the pressure cracked Akira's brain.

I think it's because someone had to work in order to sustain both Akira's and keishi's life since obviously just being able to play koto won't put food on the table
And akira being older than akira and her big brother means that it is his responsibility to work,and not the 15 years old high schooler
 
 
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Akira had a chance to do the right thing and let go of her petty jealousy but nope. Had to go down the bitchy road and quit as their teacher. Wonder i Takinami can talk some sense into her about being so jelly over a 15 year old.

What I don't get with the Dojima family is why was Keiishi just allowed to walk away and everybody was fine with his decision to quit school and playing the koto when he's supposedly more talented? Sounds like some double standard BS going on and the pressure cracked Akira's brain.

Keiishi had to work inorder to feed his sister and grandma what do u suppose he had done, his grandma says to Akira that even if he had tried to find a living playing koto it will be long time before he gets decent income hence he had to quit koto and all the burden of koto fell on to the shoulders of akira
 
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Literally an episode on Akira Dojima, the daughter of the accursed family. And believe me, WHAT AN EPISODE.

When growing up, the once aspiring sister wants to be like the brother who is good at the Koto, to be placed first place in true grit and determination.

To see Truck-kun claiming the líves of the parents, the tragedy is NOT over, as the once playful and resilient brother gave up to support the family, and all that weight on his shoulders is passed onto her.

Being forced to play the Koto to upkeep the standard of schools is the norm, but being rivals does more harm than good. YES, Akira's performance was jawdropping and splendid, but Hozuki's entrance SHUDDERS HER EVERY PLAY even though she played another song. Out from the darkness she comes, and back into the darkness where she came from.

That's how last episode, even though Hozuki knew how bad it is for Akira to shoulder all those burdens of the excommunicated school, all it took was a single note to show her the light. But deep down, she still bears a grudge for being second fiddle against Hozuki, and not being able to uphold her brother's standard. Both wanted what the other had, but as long as all that exists, the darkness will only surround her more.

Sincerely, please give this frail girl ONE MORE CHANCE to show her the light. A confrontational episode if I may add.
 
Nov 19, 2019 1:06 PM

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This episode was very boring to be honest. I don't feel anything for the new character. This second season is bad compared to the first one.
 
Nov 28, 2019 12:00 PM

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Another favorite episode of mine from this series.
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Sincerely, please give this frail girl ONE MORE CHANCE to show her the light. A confrontational episode if I may add.
Yes please poor girl she deserves much more love.
 
Dec 11, 2019 10:11 AM

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God, that was such an emotional episode. I couldn't stop crying. I really like Akira's character, jesus. PLEASE JUST BE HAPPY? I hate seeing you suffering T_T
 
Dec 27, 2019 8:06 AM

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Poor Akira, but please girl, get a grip.
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Feb 4, 2020 10:55 PM

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I find Akira's situation quite justifiable except for the reason why his brother quit playing the koto. They could find a better reason but quit lol.

Anyway 4/5
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Feb 7, 2020 1:55 AM

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Looks like the darkness keeps a hold on Akira even after Satowa tried to get a mutual understanding
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Great background and great explanations for Akira, another really interesting episode
 
Jan 13, 12:11 PM

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Talk about a heavy episode to take in.

Quite amazing portrayal of Doujima's struggle between light and darkness; Light being the desire to understand Houzuki that can in turn help her understand herself. And the darkness that tells her that Houzuki disrespected her with that performance long ago, leaving her the feeling of a undeserved 1st place while still stuggling with the feeling that she could never reach the level of her Brother.

This series has done an amazing job of creating a sense of relation and emotion to each character. 10/10 episode without a doubt
 
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Woah I thought her brother died too for her to be so deadfish eyed all the time, turns out he just quit koto and college so he could work to support them then passed the burden and legacy of their koto school to her. Sorry Akira.

...but the exit to darkness is light, maybe more gray area, shadows and shade but definitely more light than darkness itself. Or whatever that was. LOL
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