Spoiler (ch.123) How and why do you justify Eren's plan? (so far)

JoyBoy_316 said:
The results of this poll are a bit scary lol

I think it's better to just wait and see I really doubt he really intend to exterminate 90% of the human race without discrimination especially after this chapter

Nim0174 said:

its necessary evil

deg said:


necessary evil is an evil for the sake of the greater good and killing all of humanity is no way a greater good

but then again the edgy misanthropy teenager inside me is praising Eren too

deg said:
@darkstom248

people are comparing this to real life history because its a story trying to be realistic as much as possible too anyway

plus like i said this kind of pro genocide message is wrong timing given the rise of neonazi today and heck Isayama was interpreted as a nazi too in previous controversial chapters of Attack on Titan

but like i said the misanthropy teenager inside me is praising Eren too

darkstom248 said:
But that is my point. It can be realistic and be completely separate from our world and history. This world has none of that historical context and shouldn't really be expected to act as if it does when it has already established that that is the case.
For your second point, much like my first, this world is completely separate from ours. Like with Joker and the controversy surrounding its release, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the artist to tell the audience what to take from a story. People should be able to put challenging stories into the hands of the audience and have them arrive at their own conclusions. Isayama has said as much himself. He is just writing the story as it makes sense to write it from the world and character's perspectives and not really trying to push a "pro genocide" message. It is up to each person to decide what the story means to them.

deg said:


art is political too so it can be use as a political weapon especially in todays political climate worldwide

Joker is being meme as Clown World for example

its just wrong timing like i said

darkstom248 said:
Yes, art can be political, but that doesn't mean every piece of art is political. Just putting a political message on a certain work of art when the artist has specifically refuted that that is the case seems to be hypocritical. And I don't know when you want this to come out. There are always going to be issues in the world that overlap with fictitious stories told at the time. Nazis were not the first, last, or even largest genocide that has happened in history. It just happens to be the most well know. There are genocides that are happening currently that people are largely not paying attention to. There is no "good" time to release this story by your definition cause humans suck and there are always going to be issues that happen to be parallels for stories people want to tell.

NakolHira said:
Just think Eren's plan is same as the first king Fritz, who just wanted to see Eldia ruling all over the world.

After being freed by Eren, Ymir will again be following someone's wish to "Make Eldia Great Again! "

It's absurd, other survey corps members will also oppose him for sure.

You are saying Eren doesn’t have any choice,
You are forgetting Armin's plan, just release only a few hundreds colossal titans it would do enough .

Or just taking away all subject of Ymir's ability to turn into a titan ..





I doubt Isayama will show something that would support genocide,
so I'm interested in how things gonna turn around. May be Eren still has a different plan.

deg said:
racism is unforgivable so genocide is the answer if that is how it really ends then lol what a message especially today in real life

AliXiah said:
I disapprove Eren's mass-genocide plan (IF that's actually his plan, which I doubt for who knows what reason), because none of the reasons we can theorize is justifiable. There are just WAYYY TOO MANY innocents out there who either just want peace or don't care whatever happens as long as they're safe. After all, it's not physically hard to just say "hey, I'm tired of all those fights, let's just stop for the good of everyone" and actually stop. Heck, that would even save everyone from a lot of pain, fear, headaches and whatever negative feelings. Thus, Eren's plan is not justifiable due to the amount of innoncents he's dragging in. UNFORTUNATELY, there are also many who only seek for revenge, punishments, pain and death. Just look at the girl who was supposed to be the next host of the Armored Titan. And what's the goal? "They all tortured our ancestors so they all have to be tortured". That's not justification, that's just ego. Big huge ego. But then, do they deserve to be exterminated so that Eren can save his people? Eren certainly doesn't have any right to decide about that, but what's the point caring about it since those revenge-seeking people can't be reasoned through civil talk anyways. But then, if Eren exterminates them, what would the innocent people think? They would probably be mad and become revenge-seeking people in their turn.

TL;DR I disapprove "Death is The Solution".

That being said, I doubt mass murder is Eren's real plan. That would make hundreds of thousands of people mad at the author of SnK, as there is absolutely nothing that equates that kind of action — certainly not death, not even eternal atroce torture in some kind of demon world similar to Ymir's lonely place, which probably doesn't exist but that doesn't matter. I'm sure there's a lot more going on than what we all think.

deg said:
racism is unforgivable so genocide is the answer if that is how it really ends then lol what a message especially today in real life

ThatShiny_Hex said:

That cycle of conflict and hatred will always remain in the society. It's a fiction dude. You don't have to agree on anything. I mean, there are times where an antagonists win in a show doesn't mean the author sympathise with the message.

deg said:


well i said it before Isayama is being accused as a nazi on old controversial chapters too

and Eldians are all Germans besides the Ackermans that are Japanese and both Germany and Japan started world war that parallels this latest chapter too

art is also political and not just simple entertainment and clearly Attack on Titan is a politcal fiction too

Tsarko said:


Just a correction, Ackermans are not 'Japanese'. They are Eldians, or possibly Marleyians, who were genetically engineered via some titan experiments to be strong. Only Mikasa's mother was 'Japanese' and she wasn't an Ackerman.

deg said:


well i said it before Isayama is being accused as a nazi on old controversial chapters too

and Eldians are all Germans besides the Ackermans that are Japanese and both Germany and Japan started world war that parallels this latest chapter too

art is also political and not just simple entertainment and clearly Attack on Titan is a politcal fiction too

cAbaddon said:


Marleyans are clearly the 'nazis' of AoT and how they have been portrayed? like absolute monsters.

the series has always been anti-imperialism, pro civil liberties and discourses. The royal family was corrupt, the government and church violent and corrupt. ‘Nazi Germany’ Marley depicted like absolute monsters, even the Yaegerist were immediately show like villains by performing a horrible terrorist act in their first appearance.
Look at Gabi’s arc, look at the message of stopping the cycles of hate and violence, look at the message of the world being cruel but beautiful, remember what The Owl said to Grisha, look at the ‘hero’ Eren face and Armin reaction to what's happening in the latest chapter.

A 'nazi' person would have done this developments? of course not.

So think about it and relax, Eren will be stopped or this will not be his real final plan, and the message will be clear.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
I say, so far, because right now we are to believe that Eren seeks to exterminate EVERYONE, outside the Paradis island.

I remember being this pissed once, back when Eren went ape-shit on civilians and military alike. Back than i was glad that Mikasa/Armin and lot of people we know, disapproved of his ruthless "grand-entrance" on the world stage. Back than i already had the vibes of Eren going full megalomaniac and a "hero" who wants to be, or seem like the only bad guy in the world for "the sake of the world" or similar shit.

Right now, Eren seems to have decided that the best option to save "his people" is to eradicate every other peoples lol. How do you justify or/and approve of such ridiculously wicked decision of a radical sicko supremacist who talks in absolute and is fine with eradicating millions, if not more, children, woman and men alike, for the sake of his delusions that the enemy can't be negotiated with and deserves nothing less than total annihilation?
Unlike Paradis island, the rest of the freaking world probably has 50x more population if not more! How can people justify this soon-to-be mega mass murderer? He's about to lable millions of innocent people as mere fodder on his path of "secure future", so basically millions deserve to die because they were not born on Paradis island?
Eren is basically the only godlike being with nukes in the world now. To say that he has no other option is laughable at best.
You say it's "kill or be killed" situation? - It's not.
You say the rest of the world deserves to be exterminated? - No it doesn't.

Imagine if U.S was a smaller nation during ww2 than Japan, yet the U.S acquired Nukes. Would you justify U.S nuking Japan to oblivion until the last Japanese has been exterminated? Would you still be ok with "kill or be killed" or "we did it in self defense" kind of excuse?

Devil_Slayer said:
Damn, the people who agree with Eren on morally level must be all under 15 years old lol

Watch everyone and their mother calls Eren on his Bullshit next chapter including his best friends. Not that I buy this is Eren's grand plan though, it gets a lot of build-up and mystery to just turn it to "I like muh freedom and anyone takes muh freedom I will take their lives"