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Nov 2, 2:18 PM

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Rob7 said:
And now Gabriel has checked all the requiriments to be a legit SAO villain:
A. Rape. Come on, in his mind he basically cummed over the dead body of that Lipia. It's enough.
B. Int...


Point A... so you make stuff up to bash a show? Doesn't seem very efficient.

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this is pg 13 series m8. look at the previous season. 2 girl almost got rape and pg 13 ? whats is that even mean.
the fact that the killing method is like that and the only victim that we can see is girl, and whats more is that this series is pg 13....


Regardless how the bad deeds are conducted in this anime, the lingering undertones clearly mark them as wrong. Which should be educational. Its quite a difficult matter, to specify an age after which learning to recognize right from wrong is best absorbed - especially these types of things.

Ahem, but that scene where young Gabriel questioned about the thoughts of an insect and its soul was scary because I couldn't tell that those were sociopathic tendencies (perhaps irl, I could see more ques, but perhaps not). Well, you could easily tell when he observed Alicia with those questions in his thoughts, but irl unless you can read minds, next chance for recognizing them is after something or someone dies. After seeing him pierce into Alicia's head, I wanted him gone :D But unfortunately, there are people like this in this world who remain with or without this character.
 
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Chiibi said:
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Reki Kawahara just does not learn from his mistakes.


If you haven't read Progressive, I advise you to shut your face. :|


that may be true, but he also had to introduce there more female characters who are no longer important later and some fan service
 
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Not only that but rape never happened in SAO, only sexual assault and this fucking thing here isn't RAPE NOR SEXUAL ASSAULT YOU DUMBASS.



You must be fun at parties.


No, I am fun at places where people know what rape, abuse and sexual assault are. I'm a lawyer, which is for the very exact motive that I'm pissed at how you all put all of those terms as if they are the same thing, when they aren't, at all. SAO had two sexual assault scenes in the original LN, and three in the anime. That was it, nothing more nor less. With of course, you inventing a garbage argument like you did in your post which will just spread misinformation to people reading.

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hahaha what the fuck is that damn argument. How can anime only people be so retarded with things like this? He cummed over the dead body of Lipia because he's overjoyed to have killed a person? What the fuck. hahaha Not only that but rape never happened in SAO, only sexual assault and this fucking thing here isn't RAPE NOR SEXUAL ASSAULT YOU DUMBASS. How the fuck can you ever reach a level of interpretation like this? It's absurdly stupid that I have to read this. Only in anime I have to read things like that, not in the manga or LN community, those things just happens when those works get anime adaptations, because delusional people like you comes from the bottom of hell to make arguments like those.



Thanks for confirming that it's literally wishful thinking.

Also, the best arcs are Aincrad and Death Gun (which is just the name of the antagonist, the name of the arc is Phantom Bullet). I have to laugh to read this when SAO is completely average or literally bad outside of Mother Rosario, Alicization, Unital Ring or the side series Progressive, which is the actual good Aincrad arc as it's not just one volume and has the entire foucs on it.


Unital Ring has only 2 volumes at the moment. This Arc also has stereotypes and increases the harem of Kirito. So typical SAO. Reki Kawahara just does not learn from his mistakes.


There's no mistakes like these and also there's no "harem of kirito". Kirito is only with Asuna, only loves her and is with her since Aincrad and the other girls liking him or not is irrelevant outside of their own arcs in the past, which were just romantic interests, no different than Batman and Spider-man who had many interests in a same comic book. Not only that, but the story itself much like on Alicization and Mother Rosario is good.

Like I said before, there's nothing bad for the motives you insist. You just isn't getting what you want from what the novelist wants to tell and write. It's just wishful thinking that are not being realized and you're saying it's bad because he's not doing what you want him to do.

The only wrong thing that he had to stop was the sexual assault scenes, which he stopped in 2006 with the one on alicization and then never did that ever again.
 
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Chiibi said:
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Reki Kawahara just does not learn from his mistakes.


If you haven't read Progressive, I advise you to shut your face. :|


Course, when an author do a great job in a last arc, all the shit plot holes or weak character chosing or development in the previous stories must be forgiven, right?

hmm





Anyway, i love SAO, and this fails are exactly the style of this series which i'm already used.

Point the fails without be angry with it is not even bashing. It is just sarcasm (okay, it is something some cultures have a hard time to understand).
 
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Well, (seriously) rate harenism in SAO may be not wrong BUT sounds so forced, since one of the most special and singular things in SAO (also one of the features that attach me to this series) is the absolutely faithful, exclusive, defined but still CHILL relation between Kirito and Asuna.

This kind of maturity is very rare to find in animes/mangas of this genre.
 
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You must be fun at parties.


No, I am fun at places where people know what rape, abuse and sexual assault are. I'm a lawyer, which is for the very exact motive that I'm pissed at how you all put all of those terms as if they are the same thing, when they aren't, at all. SAO had two sexual assault scenes in the original LN, and three in the anime. That was it, nothing more nor less. With of course, you inventing a garbage argument like you did in your post which will just spread misinformation to people reading.

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Unital Ring has only 2 volumes at the moment. This Arc also has stereotypes and increases the harem of Kirito. So typical SAO. Reki Kawahara just does not learn from his mistakes.


There's no mistakes like these and also there's no "harem of kirito". Kirito is only with Asuna, only loves her and is with her since Aincrad and the other girls liking him or not is irrelevant outside of their own arcs in the past, which were just romantic interests, no different than Batman and Spider-man who had many interests in a same comic book. Not only that, but the story itself much like on Alicization and Mother Rosario is good.

Like I said before, there's nothing bad for the motives you insist. You just isn't getting what you want from what the novelist wants to tell and write. It's just wishful thinking that are not being realized and you're saying it's bad because he's not doing what you want him to do.

The only wrong thing that he had to stop was the sexual assault scenes, which he stopped in 2006 with the one on alicization and then never did that ever again.


If he at least changed this imbalance between male and female characters, the series would be much better. Already the film showed great potential, if the Anatgonist is not a psycho or a self-proclaimed god, it is much better if one can identify with the antagonist. SAO claims to be a serious anime, but loses itself in ridicule, see Yui, and in logic holes. I'm probably comparing too much with Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
 
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I kinda feel bad that Lipia's role ends here and so as her commander/ lover Shasta.





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I actually like the main villain more than the main protagonists xD
 
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Did you see that the leader of Dark Mage Waifus, Dee Eye, just has lost one leg due to that Shasta's "berserk" last stage skill or something?





Remember from the previous episode that Dee was said to be the one who discovered the immortality of the Administrator and is not trustable for her great ambitious.


Now she is a disabled. (joke alert!)
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Darikan said:


that may be true, but he also had to introduce there more female characters who are no longer important later and some fan service


The novels won't sell without fanservice though.



 
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Course, when an author do a great job in a last arc, all the shit plot holes or weak character chosing or development in the previous stories must be forgiven, right?


I'm certain the novels don't have ANY of those things?


Oh sorry, but i guess you are lost.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/21479/Sword_Art_Online (Novel)

Bon Voyage! :D
 
Nov 2, 3:25 PM

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I'm gonna stop here
and to sums up overall series from the beginning until now

the author likes to sexually and physically abuse a woman


>Losing a feminist watching SAO.

>Nothing of value was lost.

im just uncomfortable watching it. is that wrong ?
even if it'a a guy who got assault it would be uncomfortable either
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Rob7 said:
Did you see that the leader of Dark Mage Waifus, Dee Eye, just has lost one leg due to that Shasta's "berserk" last stage skill or something?





Remember from the previous episode that Dee was said to be the one who discovered the immortality of the Administrator and is not trustable for her great ambitious.


Now she is a disabled. (joke alert!)


It was a mistranslation by the subs. She didn't discover any immortality thing, people just compared her for Quinella.
 
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Rob7 said:
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If you haven't read Progressive, I advise you to shut your face. :|


Course, when an author do a great job in a last arc, all the shit plot holes or weak character chosing or development in the previous stories must be forgiven, right?

hmm





Anyway, i love SAO, and this fails are exactly the style of this series which i'm already used.

Point the fails without be angry with it is not even bashing. It is just sarcasm (okay, it is something some cultures have a hard time to understand).


Progressive isn't a "last arc". Progressive is a different series focused entirely on Aincrad as the actual arc was just one volume due to certain cicurmstances.
 
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Rob7 said:
Chiibi said:


I'm certain the novels don't have ANY of those things?


Oh sorry, but i guess you are lost.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/21479/Sword_Art_Online (Novel)

Bon Voyage! :D


Yes, I read them.
Please point out these so-called "plot holes" and "weak characters" then.

You still didn't explain what "character chosing" is.



 
Nov 2, 3:30 PM
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Spot the difference
 
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Horn_dawg_2019 said:
I kinda feel bad that Lipia's role ends here and so as her commander/ lover Shasta.





Now, why her body didn't disappeared like that rapist sexual abuser killed by Kirito in the last season?

Eugeo also disapeared, so it should be a rule.

Okay, let's assume that frozing it in glass or something prevents that.
 
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Rob7 said:
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I kinda feel bad that Lipia's role ends here and so as her commander/ lover Shasta.





Now, why her body didn't disappeared like that rapist sexual abuser killed by Kirito in the last season?

Eugeo also disapeared, so it should be a rule.

Okay, let's assume that frozing it in glass or something prevents that.


You already responded your question.
 
Nov 2, 3:46 PM

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The part at the end was amazing to watch, the art style, the visual effects and the animation were superb in my opinion.
 
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Spot the difference


Lol he kinda went all Wolverine, didn't he. xD It was a cool scene though. Man-tornado.



 
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Spot the difference


The pencil moustache x massive eyebrows


From which anime is that second guy from? Same studio?
 
Nov 2, 3:54 PM
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Rob7 said:
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The pencil moustache x massive eyebrows


From which anime is that second guy from? Same studio?


Might Guy from Naruto.. lol
 
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Damn, didn't expect an episode like that, that new villain is creepy, we saw some of he rpast, and he just murdered a friend, damn, but if he got her soul, i looked like being in a game!

I suspected that Lipia and the comander of dark knights would finish in a tragic way, feel bad for Lipia, but atleast he didn't rape her!

Alice realized they are running out of time, can't wait for next week!
 
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Gabriel being over the top evil bad guy makes it hard to take him seriously, like I much prefer his subordinate who just wants ot battle and have a good time over him. I mean for Gab its clear that there will be no persuading or chance for him to have any sort of redemption or type of surrender since hes all, wanna eat souls. He even potentially is the weak link in their own plan if he does eat Alice then spend an extra night for his subordinate to have a good time. I just feel the subordinate dude is weak willed enough that they could bargain or persuade him.

Pugilist leader is really cute, Need art.

I do always laugh when characters just go around saying "land of darkness, we live in the land of darkness" like IRL why would you keep that for your countries/kingdoms name even with the connotations that "darkness" has.

Also writing continues to be confusing, dont understand how a character says "all of these are artificial fluclights, wow so many humans" an artificial fluclight is not a human though.
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I'm guessing they are cutting out a lot of the useless exposition that Reki inserted in the LNs regarding the generals of the 10 tribes because holy shit. Like I get the need for the introduction of named characters and the like but man...we got like full backstories of each of the 10 generals that took up pages of the LN for no good reason. Especially since it was all forgettable information about forgettable characters. That was really a problem in Alicization as a whole anyway.

Also...I swear that one chick with the warrior monks gawking at the werewolf is doujin bait.
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caio_brb said:
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Two interesting characters are killed by generic villain. Even the ALO Arc is much better than this. SAO have three huge problems since season 1, Kirito needs a male partner, this series can´t function with a female protagonist, because they have a bad character development even Klein, Agil, Death Gun and Kayaba would better than Alice or Asuna. Most annoying part in this series is the unneccesary harem.


What a garbage post. Two posts of you in forums and both are straight up bad, just because they don't go to your wishful thinking.

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Yawn. Can't SAO ever have a villain that is interesting and compelling and that ISN'T a complete sociopath? For ONCE they should make the antagonist an interesting and compelling character with relatable motives. Is that too much to ask? My goodness.


Yes, you should just drop the series already if that's your thinking, because you clearly hate it. lol Also, Quinella literally existed and Kayaba wasn't a sociopath. Neither were the others, only Gabriel has the sympthoms which unlike you, I can say for sure since I'm a psychologist.


They were simply stating their opinions about the episode, which is what the forum thread is for. Those are perfectly valid opinions too. There is no reason to attack them in an insulting way like that.
 
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dam. I was just starting to like that guy and they go and kill him. Would have been nice to see him getting revenge later on.
 
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I kinda figured this Gabriel was not right in the head, but god damn this guy is fucked up... to do that to your friend at such young age. So cruel, so utterly inhuman.. curiosity got the better of him.

Well that's 2 characters gone before we got to know them even. That animation of the guy transforming though.

The gate is breaking apart, this is gonna get real.
 
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Reki Kawahara does like to copy paste the same villains over and over again, doesn' he?
Thinking where the soul is stored and if it's on the head is outright stupiid. Maybe he'd have a better guess sucking off my fucking balls.

As someone who actually likes SAO, Alicization has been going in a downward spiral for quite a while since the last season. Not to say the previous seasons were great, but at least they were actually fun to watch.

I probably havent's seen the worst of it yet, though.


lmao copy and past villains. I didn't know that Quinella was a copy and past of Kayaba, which is a copy and paste of Sugu and Death Gun. All of them are compltely different from each other, with different personalities, ambitions and only Gabriel even is a socipath. Only Kayaba and Quinella are good but to say that they're the same? Don't be delusional.

And Alicization is the best arc of SAO by far. You're just anime-only who don't know what you're talking about, as all previous arcs outside of Mother Rosario are average to bad.


"You're just anime-only"

Stop insulting people who simply state their opinion about an episode. And do you realize how ridiculous you sound when you keep insulting people for "just watching the anime"? Which is what almost everyone does. It's nothing to brag about that you read the Light Novel. To watch a two-dimensional story as this as light animated entertainment is fine. To spend hours and hours READING what should simply be an anime is embarrassing. It just shows you don't know what real literature is.

Why do you think we keep calling them Light Novels, or even just LNs, instead of novels? Because they aren't real novels. They're crap. A simple story like this in cartoon form is okay. But when stretched out on page after page, with no animation, that's crap.

So stop pretending you're superior to "just anime-only" watchers. If you could only realize how ridiculous you sound.

Imagine you going to school with that attitude. "YOU GUYS HAVEN'T READ THESE LIGHT NOVELS I HAVE READ! THAT'S PATHETIC!"

And everyone goes, oh shit, it's this weirdo again.
 
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Lame villain. I was hoping for a good leader with strategic fighting and some resistance/drama within his ranks with 1 of teams not being on his side.

Now we will probably just uncontrolled fighting and the monsters getting slaughtered by Alice because they are noobs. But since they are high in numbers they will get somewhat a lead and when all seems lost, Asuna jumps in which will awaken Kirito from his whatever he is in, and then since he is not a part of this world like Gabriel he will be able to kill him. GG ending...
 
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Wow that was enjoyable as Akame ga Kill!

I should have know when Alicia first appeared. So sweet and endearing.

What a freak, this guy Gab. He’s two for two. One IRL and one online plus who knows how many more.
I hope the next episode is better.
 
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I wonder if/when Kirito will wake up. If he does, I wonder if he'll be different from when he was before.

I'd honestly love it if he got some character development.
 
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I feel that Kirito has had plenty of development. Just compare the beginning episodes of Aincrad to season 2; he goes from an antisocial loner to a boy surrounded by friends whom he'd give/has practically given his life to protect. He learns new things with each arc, like every protagonist should.

Aincrad arc= he learns to trust in Asuna and commits himself to only her.

Alfheim arc- he learns it's okay to rely on multiple people for help

Gun Gale- he is suffering from PTSD but learns to forgive himself for committing the murders in Aincrad.

Then Asuna, Eugeo, and Alice are focused on instead from that point. Which is fine, really because I'm not sure what else we can do with Kirito at the moment.
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Lame villain. I was hoping for a good leader with strategic fighting and some resistance/drama within his ranks with 1 of teams not being on his side.

Now we will probably just uncontrolled fighting and the monsters getting slaughtered by Alice because they are noobs. But since they are high in numbers they will get somewhat a lead and when all seems lost, Asuna jumps in which will awaken Kirito from his whatever he is in, and then since he is not a part of this world like Gabriel he will be able to kill him. GG ending...


Sorry, that is not what happens.
 
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Wow! Gabriel is an empty soul huh, alive but dead inside. For some reason I think he's cool, I like villains who embrace their nature and believe in their narrow course.

The way he killed Lipia and Alicia was shivering, shit, what a cold empty man.
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I feel that Kirito has had plenty of development. Just compare the beginning episodes of Aincrad to season 2; he goes from an antisocial loner to a boy surrounded by friends whom he'd give/has practically given his life to protect.

Yes, he’s a different person than it was at the start. He’s grown up.
 
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Hell no, after I got interested with these 2 side characters relationship, and then it fucked up so quickly. I barely got this much hype for side characters.

Please don't spoil me if they will be "edo tensei-ed" in future or not, lemme enjoy this show step by step.
 
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With all my criticism i love SAO, but i never will read any novel, since i don't enjoy novels at all.

It is kinda annoying that here in this forum for the anime, we cant discuss about the episode without somebody come to spoil "no you are wrong, i know it will never happens", "relax, he will not die", "i wouldn't be happy about her..."

For exemple, about Kirito's devenlopment, from what happened in SAO anime/movie until now, i would say that his fate seems to turn himself in a 100% virtual human (it looks he will never recover from the brain damage), and his relation with Asuna will accept this circumstance, probably with (official?) marriage.

The moral of Kirito in SAO always was about respect the virtual beings. If you guys remember from the first Arc when he opposed the idea of the (pre-dating) Asuna about use the NPC as prey to monsters.

Then came his "daughter" Yuna. Then they met Yuuki... and finally, the virtual legit living humans of Alice system.

It is all about leaving of the real world and acceptance of exclusive virtual life.

Then... of course the novels already tell what happens, but please, let the others just wonder and have a full enjoyment of the work, just as these readers did when they read the novels for the 1st time (in my opinion, losing all the impact of the visual art).

- Watch a show you already spoiled to yourself reading the novel is very FAR from the experience of who didn't.


Maybe spoil it to others a little bit is a kind of vengeance for that.

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Gabriel, what a pitiful bastard. Would be really great to see this scum fall in his own despair of never been able to see his soul.
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Lipia and Shasta are such an interesting characters that of course gets wasted by the *psychopath* (dear god another one of those villains in SAO, imagine my shock) guess we'll be seeing another black and white war between the human empire and the dark territories huh?. i'm really interested in seeing them both siding with the human empire but can't have a little bit of complexity in the storyline huh? guess my last hope is somehow the Dark Knights which was commanded by Shasta rebelled or something? but i won't put my hopes too high.
 
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The best ep so far atm, unlike only the Shasta background skipped and some details about Alicia and Gabriel's past but not bad !
Shasta and Lipia dont deserves these fate :(
Next episode will be show the integrity knights again !
 
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SAO inputs another 1 trick cheap villain, among its other constantly reused box-standard cliches of said creepy guy doing creepy things to women. At least Quinella had some depth beyond being a psychopath. The episode itself was perfectly fine, but fucking lord if the main villain isn't a total disappointment.

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I just wondering about one thing, is this Gabriel guy got a power to obtain any soul that he murdered both in real life and Underworld?!?!? That's crazy, he's like having a supernatural power.
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The part 1 of Alicization was quite a let-down but I like how this second part is introduced.

Is watching the anime a waste compared to the LN ? Should I read the LN before watching the anime, or can I still enjoy the LN after watching the anime ?
 
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The part 1 of Alicization was quite a let-down but I like how this second part is introduced.

Is watching the anime a waste compared to the LN ? Should I read the LN before watching the anime, or can I still enjoy the LN after watching the anime ?


The Former if you are fine with spoilers.
 
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Lipia and Shasta are such an interesting characters that of course gets wasted by the *psychopath* (dear god another one of those villains in SAO, imagine my shock) guess we'll be seeing another black and white war between the human empire and the dark territories huh?. i'm really interested in seeing them both siding with the human empire but can't have a little bit of complexity in the storyline huh? guess my last hope is somehow the Dark Knights which was commanded by Shasta rebelled or something? but i won't put my hopes too high.


Spoilers: The Fist Fighter group eventually rebels as well.
 
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That Emperor guy is a total psycho ...
 
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That was messed up. That Gabriel is a freak. Looking at those scenes gave me chills.

Poor Lipia, poor Alicia...

This guy deserves the worst possible death possible, this guy is an absolute creep.

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So basically the villain is super creepy again. This guy honestly disgusts me and his 'friend' isn't any better there.

The dark knight guy really reminded me of Bercouli ngl
They had that lil clash scene too. Don't understand why he just suddenly disappeared after trying to attack Villain's mind/fluclight 100% tho

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honestly, these first four episodes is just lame. an intro after an intro after an intro after an intro. basically nothing is going on. just like a certain tv series we all know that has veerrrry disappointing last season (which everyone agrees upon). the narration to introduces the background and setting of the story and character is so lame. i guess they were bound by air time/episodes, but i bet there is a better way to solve this.
if you want good story, read novel. if you want good graphic, read manga. anime is beyond that.

 
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