| Many isekai show a characters summonned or reincarnated to another world,either by sudden deaths or some magic spells. But there is one thing that bothers me. If characters are trapped in video game like in .hack series,Sword Art Online and Log Horizion,does it really count as isekai genre or they are just fantasy action anime series? |
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JoeThePro said: I'd probably class video game worlds as other worlds so yes I agree. some might not see sword art online as an isekai but being trapped in a video game should be classed as isekai ether way. Log Horizon is a good example of this. JoeThePro said: the same could even be said for being transported to a different anime which I'm surprised we haven't seen yet. Other than Isekai Quartet, I'm also surprised this hasn't happened either. It would be easy to pull of since many different isekai are owned by the same studio so there wouldn't be any legal issues in doing it and it also sounds like a great concept. |
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| Yes those three are all isekai. People who say otherwise lack common sense, especially with SAO (edit: first arc Aincrad), they believe because the characters' bodies aren't transported it doesn't count. |
EsquirtitOct 18, 2019 2:17 PM
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| According to wikipedia: is the portal fantasy subgenre of Japanese light novels, manga, anime, and video games. Isekai works revolve around a normal person from Earth being transported to, reborn, or TRAPPED in a parallel universe, usually a fantasy world. So in theory, it doesn't matter if its a videogame or a parallel universe, it still counts as transportation to a different environment. |
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WaifuMaster17 said: In my opinion, if the video game world feels like a whole 'nother world, yes.Does 'trapped in video game'' counts as Isekai? i.e. we're not just talking about being trapped in a Pac-Man maze, but being trapped in a full-fledged fictional world, such as in .hack//SIGN. I actually had an argument/discussion with a couple friends just last night about this. I think it comes down to exactly what you mean by the word "isekai": * if all you mean is basically "trapped in another world", then basically yes. * if you mean isekai as a story with a certain set of genre trappings and not just one premise element, then it depends on the details of the story. * if you mean mutually-exclusive genre classifications for the purpose of publisher filing, then I've been told there's a separate "VRMMO" genre category. I use the first definition, so my answer is "yes". Amusingly, if you check Anime-Planet's tag system, they opted to divorce the concept from the disputes over the "isekai" term and instead use the "Person in a Strange World" tag for the trait that I'm talking about. |
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| Yes or else Hai to Gensou no Grimgar isn't an isekai. |
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| I mean setting my own opinion aside, I recently started SAO: Alicization and in one of the first episodes Kirito himself makes the distinction when he literally said "This is not an isekai, this is VR." It's hard to argue that they are the same when THE most iconic trapped-in-a-game show that started the whole debate explicitly makes a distinction between the two things. Just sayin'. P.S. Isekai are also 'just' fantasy (action-)adventure anime. That's not really the way to tell them apart. It's about the nature of the setting and what's possible to do with it. And it's a fact that VR and being spirited to another world are functionally different and lend themselves to different kind of narratives. The sci-fi and technology aspect is very important in VR settings, as recent SAO seasons prove, while they are a non-factor in isekai settings. Just to name one fundamental way in which they are different. |
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| SAO is a no because its not actually being transferred to a new real world but actually being visually projected a falsehood into your brain like with the Matrix Log Horizon and Overlord is indeed Isekai since the players's physical body is transported into a new world that isn't earth Its just like how Inuyasha isn't a Isekai since its just Kagome traveling to the past but is still on earth |
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| I think it does. They're going to another world, so why wouldn't it be considered an isekai? It's a video game, yes, but it's still another world. |
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| I think so yes, it is another world, even if it is in a game. What pisses me off to high heaven is why the F***ING game mechanics present in that other world. Get rid of the game mechanics and that alone will make it more interesting. |
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| For me Sword Art Online count as an isekai anime. I don't even want to think about how he poops, pee and all kinds of real life human needs when he was trapped ya know. It might be explained in source material but I only watch anime. |
| Depends on your definition of isekai. To me, it's anything where a main character is in an alternate reality, whether it be time period, an alien world, an alternate reality, or a virtual reality, as long as it's a different reality than what the character existed in before. This includes "reverse isekai" (meaning a character from one of these realities exists in the present world). |
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Tadito said: I think it does. They're going to another world, so why wouldn't it be considered an isekai? It's a video game, yes, but it's still another world. I've mentioned this before, but then some fanboy's of some "trapped in games" got angry. |
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| isekai = fantasy anime its like how all rectangles are squares but not all squares are rectangles. all isekai are fantasy anime but not all fantasy anime are isekai. i mean, there is no real difference between your standard isekai and your basic fantasy adventure. The main difference is that the protagonist is easier to relate to for the common weeb since the protagonist is also a common weeb. |
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Deknijff said: SAO is a no because its not actually being transferred to a new real world but actually being visually projected a falsehood into your brain like with the Matrix Log Horizon and Overlord is indeed Isekai since the players's physical body is transported into a new world that isn't earth This is basically how I categorize "trapped in video game" |
Shiniela said: Im sorry but I don't get the point of your reply after reading it Deknijff said: This is basically how I categorize "trapped in video game"SAO is a no because its not actually being transferred to a new real world but actually being visually projected a falsehood into your brain like with the Matrix Log Horizon and Overlord is indeed Isekai since the players's physical body is transported into a new world that isn't earth |
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Tropisch said: They just fail to understand that a video game is another world. Tadito said: I think it does. They're going to another world, so why wouldn't it be considered an isekai? It's a video game, yes, but it's still another world. I've mentioned this before, but then some fanboy's of some "trapped in games" got angry. |
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Deknijff said: SAO is a no because its not actually being transferred to a new real world but actually being visually projected a falsehood into your brain like with the Matrix Log Horizon and Overlord is indeed Isekai since the players's physical body is transported into a new world that isn't earth Its just like how Inuyasha isn't a Isekai since its just Kagome traveling to the past but is still on earth I'd have to agree with this, though I understand why people would classify stuff like SAO and Inuyasha as isekai anime. |
| Anything with command button tab isn't isekai. |
| It doesn't, really. The most popular example people name is SAO and Kirito himself points out, in Alicization, that VR is a very different thing from isekai. So with both common sense and the most popular show people list as an argument for VR being isekai telling me that it isn't the same thing, I'm pretty confident it isn't. If the player's physical body is transported to a different world which is based on a video game, it's isekai. But if it's just VR and their physical bodies still being in the real world is a plot point, like in SAO, it's a different thing. |
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ComboSmooth said: This is the most logical response to the question if you actually spend a little more time thinking about it.isekai = fantasy anime its like how all rectangles are squares but not all squares are rectangles. all isekai are fantasy anime but not all fantasy anime are isekai. i mean, there is no real difference between your standard isekai and your basic fantasy adventure. The main difference is that the protagonist is easier to relate to for the common weeb since the protagonist is also a common weeb. For the people saying "having your consciousness stay in video game = another world counts as isekai" then wouldn't it make all of us who's had a dream had an episode of isekai-ism? I don't think it works that way. |
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| The answer is still no. On a side note, Isekai doesn't automatically equal fantasy. |
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the second youre dealing with other worlds you are in fantasy... Or sci-fi, but honestly the line that separates sci-fi and fantasy is super thin. |
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ComboSmooth said: the second youre dealing with other worlds you are in fantasy... Or sci-fi, but honestly the line that separates sci-fi and fantasy is super thin. I disagree. And the distinction is actually pretty clear, even if there are some common elements. |
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Deknijff said: Shiniela said: Im sorry but I don't get the point of your reply after reading it This is basically how I categorize "trapped in video game" it was basically a +1 reply for the thread author. Wasn't going to rewrite what you wrote |
Pullman said: It doesn't, really. The most popular example people name is SAO and Kirito himself points out, in Alicization, that VR is a very different thing from isekai. So with both common sense and the most popular show people list as an argument for VR being isekai telling me that it isn't the same thing, I'm pretty confident it isn't. If the player's physical body is transported to a different world which is based on a video game, it's isekai. But if it's just VR and their physical bodies still being in the real world is a plot point, like in SAO, it's a different thing. Convinced by a generic one-dimensional overpowered harem isekai protagonist, phew, the mental gymnastics you have to pull of for the sake of being a contrarian against fandom concencus sure is lame. JK sorry lol I just think being trapped in a parallel world (VR) fits the western definition of isekai so labeling at such isn't harmful, not that any of this matters because literally only SAO has this issue |
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| I'd say so. Regardless of it being a game or not, it's still another world. |
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@Shiniela ah ok then sorry for not understanding and thanks  Esquirtit said: I fail to see how Kirito being seen as a generic one-dimensional overpowered harem isekai protagonist disproves Pullmans sound factual argument Convinced by a generic one-dimensional overpowered harem isekai protagonist, phew, the mental gymnastics you have to pull of for the sake of being a contrarian against fandom concencus sure is lame. JK sorry lol I just think being trapped in a parallel world (VR) fits the western definition of isekai so labeling at such isn't harmful, not that any of this matters because literally only SAO has this issue Why care about the western term when its clearly based on a non understanding of the term itself? |
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Deknijff said: @Shiniela ah ok then sorry for not understanding and thanks Esquirtit said: I fail to see how Kirito being seen as a generic one-dimensional overpowered harem isekai protagonist disproves Pullmans sound factual argument Convinced by a generic one-dimensional overpowered harem isekai protagonist, phew, the mental gymnastics you have to pull of for the sake of being a contrarian against fandom concencus sure is lame. JK sorry lol I just think being trapped in a parallel world (VR) fits the western definition of isekai so labeling at such isn't harmful, not that any of this matters because literally only SAO has this issue Why care about the western term when its clearly based on a non understanding of the term itself? because were are the western anime community who embody ignorant dumbfuckery |
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