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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- 3rd episode and I still don't get this anime. Nice atmosphere, but kinda hard to follow. |
Yukikaze_sama said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- 3rd episode and I still don't get this anime. Nice atmosphere, but kinda hard to follow. same here, I think the action doesn't flow at all because it comprises of lots of stills and it makes the action especially difficult to follow. Other than that it's fine |
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| What matters more is the staff, we know this, but... CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE SAME STUDIO THAT DID BERSERK 2017??!! How a miracle like this happens?! Yeah, there's little budge, little "actual animation" here, but still looks so good! Even the fight, it was perfect just like it had to be, FAST! You don't need to see, just feel, and you can understand everything that's happening. I repeat, just like this fight had to be. And the "no animation" even works as an advantage here, the character designs are perfect. No ruined art style like it's so common with manga adaptations. And the script, ๐๐๐. |
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Yukikaze_sama said: 3rd episode and I still don't get this anime. Nice atmosphere, but kinda hard to follow. Byniavo said: same here, I think the action doesn't flow at all because it comprises of lots of stills and it makes the action especially difficult to follow. Other than that it's fine What? What's "hard to follow" here? It's a very simple story, and this episode being from Makie point of view should had helped to follow what was happening. |
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| How is this hard to follow? it's pretty straight forward and this episode had better pace than episode 2. Really digging how atmospheric it is so far. |
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Yukikaze_sama said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- 3rd episode and I still don't get this anime. Nice atmosphere, but kinda hard to follow. Byniavo said: Yukikaze_sama said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- 3rd episode and I still don't get this anime. Nice atmosphere, but kinda hard to follow. same here, I think the action doesn't flow at all because it comprises of lots of stills and it makes the action especially difficult to follow. Other than that it's fine I agree with this, the quick cuts during the action sequences make it very hard for me to follow what's happening. |
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Hatsuyuki said: I agree with this, the quick cuts during the action sequences make it very hard for me to follow what's happening. Talking about the action? I had the opposite impression. |
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PaninaManina said: Hatsuyuki said: I agree with this, the quick cuts during the action sequences make it very hard for me to follow what's happening. Talking about the action? I had the opposite impression. You don't have to reply to every comment people leave here you know ? I understand you enjoy the show, good for you. The quick cuts seem like a cheap way to cut corners on the animation, i personally believe that makes the action scenes very poorly executed. I do agree that the show has a pretty cool atmosphere but yeah, pretty mixed feelings about it so far.. and if it has this level of quality in the early episodes I don't wanna think how they're going to manage to animate two cours of this show. |
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PaninaManina said: What? What's "hard to follow" here? It's a very simple story, and this episode being from Makie point of view should had helped to follow what was happening. Tenth said: How is this hard to follow? it's pretty straight forward and this episode had better pace than episode 2. Really digging how atmospheric it is so far. Story, even if simple, feels... "jumpy"? It leaves out many details and changes scenes quickly. It wasn't as visible in 3rd episode, but 1st one is a great example: in the very beginning we see Rin reading the letter without any explaination what, when and where is she reading - it happens right after meeting with granny, so you could think it's related to her "bodyguard". In her dream/flashback we hear author's name, making it even more confusing. Then, after Rin's metting with Manji we get thrown into encounter with Sabato rather suddenly. And only then we learn what's up with that letter. That's what I meant by "hard to follow". It's not complicated story, but it's being told in a complicated way. Whether it's good or bad, idk, it's too early to judge that. |
JustAnotherShiroOct 16, 2019 10:53 AM
| This was better than the first two episodes, but I still don't like how fast things are going here. They adapted content worthy of two episodes (the old anime did that) into one, cutting some key scenes (like the scene where Anotsu recalls how he met Makie for the first time after she saved him from a feral stray dog, who establish how good of a fighter Makie is while also showing why Anotsu has her in high steem) and making things flow way too fast. I'm not asking for One Piece's level of pacing, but I hope they slow down things a bit once they finish the first arc. The battle of this this episode were weird. In one hand, I liked how frantic they looked, it looked like if you were in the skin of the characters fighting, but on the other, the sudden cuts of scene as the fight went on were a bit jarring. This fight of Manji against Makie wasn't very long in the manga, so this can be forgiveable, but I really hope that, by the time they reach to the battles that are going to cover more than one episode they stop doing this. Curious why they decided to adapt Makie's part at this point. Otherwise, I thought they would have skip the part with Shizuma Eiku (thanks to the character appearing in the website of the series, I know they're not going to skip his part, otherwise, I would have been worried). |
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| Anotsu worships Makie's talent. Anotsu wants Makie for Itto-ryu and for himself, he loves her. Makie believes that Anotsu only loves her talent, understood that isn't true when he "proves" his love kissing her. Still Makie don't want to joing him because she disagress with his ideals and cause. Following Manji advice she decides to choose herself, and her own ideals and way of live and walk into the horizon. Anotsu observes and respects her decision. Is that simple. I understand the desire to know all the details in the manga, but thing about this, knows their backstory makes any difference? What matter is the now, is knowing that the two know each other, knowing Anotsu admiration and Makie resistance. |
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Yukikaze_sama said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- 3rd episode and I still don't get this anime. Nice atmosphere, but kinda hard to follow. It's niche, it's like reading a photo book? I think the whole point is that the viewer is left to decide what he wants to perceive from what he saw. I kinda like it but at the same time I also get that not many people will like this kind of direction or storytelling. I haven't read the manga but will pick it up when this series comes to a conclusion. |
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| Does being born with an amazing ability, not naturally imply that it's your duty and purpose to follow it? Does choosing another way of life not mean being truly selfish and ignoring the rare gift you've been given--to ignore a way out of the difficult circumstances so many others find themselves hopelessly trapped in? How does one find, and then be happy with, their purpose in life? Does the answer lie in where you were born? The abilities and talents you were born with? Your parents guidance and wisdom...? Or is the answer perhaps none of these things, and a purpose you can be content with is something you can only ever get through careful reflection of your own experiences, values and feelings? Through asking the question to yourself - and only to yourself? And what is worse, living an undignified way of life, or a truly ugly way of life? What is the difference between those? What an amazing episode. The ideas were very beautifully, and very fully, explored. It gives so much to think about. What a great and interesting character that woman was. This is how you do a self-contained episode! Also the direction and art... And the soundtrack too... God damn are they going all-out. I'm finding myself replaying so many sequences in awe. This show is so captivating. EDIT: For the people complaining about it being "jumpy" or" hard to follow" with the edits and general direction - I get what you mean, though I hope you realise that it's the byproduct of a very much intended stylistic choice--one you might not be appreciating. This show's direction prioritises very heavily the feeling over the action. For example instead of showing an action from start to finish, and prioritising the basic clarity of that movement, it'll instead maybe focus on showing specific imagery to better invoke the core points and feelings of the sequence (or, for example, just the unnatural speed of a fight between two masters). Instead of spending two seconds focusing on showing a swing from start to finish, it might spend one second on both the draw and the resulting impact, and spend the rest on other things that can perhaps better emphasize and convey the power, speed or emotion behind and in it. In a fight scene you'd definitely be better not trying to follow each and every movement from (and exchange of blows between) characters, but rather just the general flow of the fight and the changes in mood--absorbing the imagery as it comes. This show is focusing its time very carefully on only the important things, and emphasising those; respecting you the viewer enough to pay attention and to not need to be heavy-handed in making sure you're following the flow. This isn't an uncommon directing-style. Certainly not in Japanese cinema. I'm pretty sure there's an especially long and storied history with it (that signature focus on very explicit symobilism and very rapid, flashing, provoking imagery) and samurai films. |
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| Still about the cuts, looking the manga I remembered that they just decided to left out a character and mini arc before this. That mini arc shows a "weakness" in Manji's "power". But this omission makes no difference, the manga ends and the information in that mini arc never really becomes relevant, it's not an important plot point in the story. They'll probably do the same with other parts of the story. Let's hope that their choices continue working. And seeing how they made the adaptation of this particular episode much more about Makie and much less about Anotsu gives me positive hopes for the future. (meaning, less torture porn) JOBEY-C1 said: this is the same staff of Hanebado. That's why I remembered Hanebado while watching!   |
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| I didn't really like this episode. I think the pacing wasn't good and some sequences seemed weird to me, they wasn't clear at all. However, the atmosphere was good. |
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Play2X said: Oh yes, another epsiode of shitty jumpcut fights, that don't even make sense when you're on drugs. Teleporting into houses, back out, run around... Oh well, as long as it tells a halfway interesting story, I don't mind the eye cancer these fights are. But the director certainly deserves to be whipped a few tenthousand times with an iron chain for this... Maybe Eisenstein was wrong. Or maybe it is just "pleb filter", who knows. |
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| I liked it, the atmosphere is sensational and the music is top. |
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| Great animation and I like the darker more serious atmosphere!! And also the well suited music for this theme To my huge surprised a very strong female appeared and kicked some serious ass , I loved to see that! And I really liked that she didn't lay a hand on her little sister. Makie rather just walked away then hurt the much weaker female I never expected a strong female in this anime .And I really enjoy that episode so points up 7/10  |
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| Makie is the most OP character iirc. Nice boobs btw. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| Good episode, definitely a step above the other two. And I love females kicking ass. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| I watched the first 2 episodes high as fuck. What am i even watching lol |
| Lie until what you want to be true becomes truth. Lie until you can't remember what's a lie and what isn't. Lie until you aren't lying anymore! Figures  |
| The Dreamsong arc in the manga, spanning over 5 chapters long. Despite this, it definitely felt very long, the juxtaposition of the situation between a passerby, Makie of the Itto-Ryu and Rin, who has been journeying with Manji after the series of events that is the Itto-Ryu damning her life. The pacing is the biggest elephant, missing out Part 3 of the arc in the manga, but I'd think that Makie is one of the passer-bys of Manji in his quest to defeat the Itto-Ryu with his immortality and his blades. But rather than that, I definitely felt like it was both give and take with the level of understanding. Action-wise, it was fast as molasses, the same with how Texhnolyze was done. If anything, it was a visual treat more than animation, but it was good nonetheless. Walking out of Episode 3, I must say that the underlying messages are there, the journey of good and evil is pretty much undefined, just depending on what's right and wrong. |
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Play2X said: Oh yes, another epsiode of shitty jumpcut fights, that don't even make sense when you're on drugs. Teleporting into houses, back out, run around... Oh well, as long as it tells a halfway interesting story, I don't mind the eye cancer these fights are. But the director certainly deserves to be whipped a few tenthousand times with an iron chain for this... Its from the same director as Shigurui, Texhnolyze and Stein's gate. If your looking for great fight scenes your in the wrong place, his style is more about atmosphere. |
| I dunno the first thing of this series I ever watched was the live action movie so I think I'm going to have to go read the manga. I'm just find Manji annoyingly incompetent. A guy who's been alive for as long as he has and defeated so many people you would think he would actually be good at sword fighting by now. But nope he's like a amateur that needs to rely on his "Oh hai, surprise I'm not dead!" trick to win. |
billybub said: Play2X said: Oh yes, another epsiode of shitty jumpcut fights, that don't even make sense when you're on drugs. Teleporting into houses, back out, run around... Oh well, as long as it tells a halfway interesting story, I don't mind the eye cancer these fights are. But the director certainly deserves to be whipped a few tenthousand times with an iron chain for this... Its from the same director as Shigurui, Texhnolyze and Stein's gate. If your looking for great fight scenes your in the wrong place, his style is more about atmosphere. Then why pick up an action series ? I can only blame the studio for attributing this project to the inappropriate staff. |
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| the fight is 1:1 like that in the manga |
| WOW! Makie is stronger than Manji! COOL BADASS BRUTAL GORE EPIOSDE!!! 5/5. |
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| I guess fight scenes with little to no choreography will be a norm in this series. Though I still don't know whether it's a directing approach or it's just due to the studio not having enough budget... Anyways, regarding the episode's storytelling, I agree with what other person said here. Some sequences and cuts between night and day scenes felt a bit messy/unclear, especially the brothel scenes which I thought were part of a flashback at first. Honestly, I can understand some people (me included) saying the episode was "hard to follow" but it was mostly due to the odd progression between events rather than the story itself. |
| Just does not feel like blade of the immortal. The story telling is awful and the director tries to cover this by being artsy. |
| I thought after ep 2 that the fights would at least be easier to follow, but nop. Still not digging this choice in direction. Also Manji is a pretty shit bodyguard :P |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| The story is still thought-provoking, but I think the direction could be a little better, because some things are getting a little confusing sometimes because of it. |
billybub said: Play2X said: Oh yes, another epsiode of shitty jumpcut fights, that don't even make sense when you're on drugs. Teleporting into houses, back out, run around... Oh well, as long as it tells a halfway interesting story, I don't mind the eye cancer these fights are. But the director certainly deserves to be whipped a few tenthousand times with an iron chain for this... Its from the same director as Shigurui, Texhnolyze and Stein's gate. If your looking for great fight scenes your in the wrong place, his style is more about atmosphere. Shigurui was the first thing I thought when I watched the first episode, the style couldn't be coincidental very unique. |
nanashi796 said: the fight is 1:1 like that in the manga It wasn't that jumpy in the manga. Everything was clear. |
nightcrawlercyp said: Just does not feel like blade of the immortal. The story telling is awful and the director tries to cover this by being artsy. i kinda agree. it's still beginning but it could be better tho |
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