Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 122 Discussion

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What an amazing chapter, the cover of volume 16 was some amazing foreshadowing, with the spine thing.

Oct 5, 2019 10:31 AM

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Uchihakira said:

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well It was a Demonic flashback

But there somethings that feel contradictory out there
( If someone knows the explanation, please explain )

1- Yumir saves zeke when the thunder spear exploded

Eren said in this chapter that yumir is the one who led him all the way till there , So you can conclude that yumir saved zeke , imo it's a bad use of plot device , Zeke being saved like this is kinda unrealistic way to introduce yumir to the story ( actual yumir )

2- Attack titan ability

Eren said in ch 121 that attack titan ability makes it possible to talk to the previous holder of the titan which was grishia
So why didn't grishia used the same power to save his sister ( died from dogs attack ) and tell kruger to give him the motivation to rebel on Marly

3- Yumir behaviour and character

From the demonic flashback of yumir , we all knew that the idea of being slave is installed in her mind , but what she did says the opposite
let me explain my opinion
If yumir truly thinks she is a slave she won't led eren to Crossing (oragansier)
( eren himself said so ) , So she truly thiks that she isn't a slave because she led eren there to tell her that she isn't a slave , Which really seems stupid imo

Eren said to yumir to lend him her powers so he can destroy the world and make her free , If yumir wants to be free why didn't she done that ?
for ex activating the rumbling ( she already thinks that she's free )

from all my talk We can conclude that yumir can take eren himself to the organiser just like zeke ( Ordering a titan to open his stomach and absorb eren)

4- 13-year rule

from the flashback it seems that this rule is just a lie , As it seems unrealistic to create such a rule while yumir her self didn't have a weak body
( like kruger said )

So why A nation like marly depends on such a rule ??

So nobody can answer me ??

The first point is nitpicking and the third is just you are overthinking. Ymir is a loyal slave but she still is aware of her despair, when she chose to get shot by the spear it isn’t just her loyalty, but also to commit suicide(remember, Ymir can totally heal with titan power). So there is nothing wrong with her acting all loyal to the first king yet let Eren to fuck all up

Your second point has been answered like several times already. THERE IS ONLY ONE TIMELINE. How would Grisha do anything about it if everything is set up from the start, also how could he even save his sister? You mean telling the Owl to save her, yet he is the one to let her get killed in the first place? Furthermore, Grisha only learned (maybe or still didn’t know anything) about Attack titan power when he saw Zeke and Eren. All he can do at that moment is sending message to Zeke to stop Eren while letting Eren inherit right after Maria collapse as Eren expected.

The fourth one is very interesting. The problem here is that the 13-year rule is not entirely based on Ymir physical body conditions, but what has happened to her as a part of history. Check the panel again and tell me how many fingers pointed at Ymir when she was accused. Basically it’s just an aspect, represent the fate of Ymir and the future titan holders. Marley system is all around the history so it really makes sense

Oct 5, 2019 10:40 AM

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Here is full explanation from N M on YouTube for this chapter:

Many people ask if all the Eldians have the Royal Blood since they are all descendants of Ymir. Let me explain something: Maria, Rose and Shina ate Ymir and probably each of them gained 3 titan powers (at first in titan realm behind Ymir we see 3 branches on The Tree Of Lifr). One of those 3 had to inherit the Founder and she was the first Royal descendant of Ymir. After that when all 9 Titans were split ( later in chapter there are 9 branches on The Tree Of Life) , the person who inherited only the Founder has started the Royal bloodline. Case closed.

I also wanted to point out how Isayama teased Eren seeing Ymir's memories. In season 2 outro when Maria, Rose and Shina are eating Ymir there is a window behind the King. In that window on the right side you can see an Eagle. In Norse mythology The Tree Of Life has 3 creatures inside it. The serpen-like Dragon under the Tree (Ymir, source of all living matter) , an Eagle (Eren) that guards the Tree and a squirel that sends messages betwen the Dragon and the Eagle (Zeke, who made conntact of Eren and Ymir possible). Isayama is a foreshadowing god.

Also did you see how exactly 13 people pointed their fingers on Ymir?

Oct 5, 2019 11:10 AM

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Gloomy-eyes said:
Here is full explanation from N M on YouTube for this chapter:

Many people ask if all the Eldians have the Royal Blood since they are all descendants of Ymir. Let me explain something: Maria, Rose and Shina ate Ymir and probably each of them gained 3 titan powers (at first in titan realm behind Ymir we see 3 branches on The Tree Of Lifr). One of those 3 had to inherit the Founder and she was the first Royal descendant of Ymir. After that when all 9 Titans were split ( later in chapter there are 9 branches on The Tree Of Life) , the person who inherited only the Founder has started the Royal bloodline. Case closed.

I also wanted to point out how Isayama teased Eren seeing Ymir's memories. In season 2 outro when Maria, Rose and Shina are eating Ymir there is a window behind the King. In that window on the right side you can see an Eagle. In Norse mythology The Tree Of Life has 3 creatures inside it. The serpen-like Dragon under the Tree (Ymir, source of all living matter) , an Eagle (Eren) that guards the Tree and a squirel that sends messages betwen the Dragon and the Eagle (Zeke, who made conntact of Eren and Ymir possible). Isayama is a foreshadowing god.

Also did you see how exactly 13 people pointed their fingers on Ymir?

You are right, I had the same doubt if all eldians have the royal blood but I think this explanation seems legit and most likely this is what should have happened unless there is more to it that will be revealed later.
Isayama and his parallels. He truly is a genius.
I definitely failed to notice 13 fingers pointing at Ymir. That's the reason every panel of the manga is important when it is snk, and you have to be carefully paying attention to details otherwise you may end up thinking things as asspull or out of place. And things like these definitely increases rewatch value of this series.
Btw which youtube channel you are referring to?

Oct 5, 2019 11:12 AM

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zerotitan said:

Gloomy-eyes said:
Here is full explanation from N M on YouTube for this chapter:

Many people ask if all the Eldians have the Royal Blood since they are all descendants of Ymir. Let me explain something: Maria, Rose and Shina ate Ymir and probably each of them gained 3 titan powers (at first in titan realm behind Ymir we see 3 branches on The Tree Of Lifr). One of those 3 had to inherit the Founder and she was the first Royal descendant of Ymir. After that when all 9 Titans were split ( later in chapter there are 9 branches on The Tree Of Life) , the person who inherited only the Founder has started the Royal bloodline. Case closed.

I also wanted to point out how Isayama teased Eren seeing Ymir's memories. In season 2 outro when Maria, Rose and Shina are eating Ymir there is a window behind the King. In that window on the right side you can see an Eagle. In Norse mythology The Tree Of Life has 3 creatures inside it. The serpen-like Dragon under the Tree (Ymir, source of all living matter) , an Eagle (Eren) that guards the Tree and a squirel that sends messages betwen the Dragon and the Eagle (Zeke, who made conntact of Eren and Ymir possible). Isayama is a foreshadowing god.

Also did you see how exactly 13 people pointed their fingers on Ymir?

You are right, I had the same doubt if all eldians have the royal blood but I think this explanation seems legit and most likely this is what should have happened unless there is more to it that will be revealed later.
Isayama and his parallels. He truly is a genius.
I definitely failed to notice 13 fingers pointing at Ymir. That's the reason every panel of the manga is important when it is snk, and you have to be carefully paying attention to details otherwise you may end up thinking things as asspull or out of place. And things like these definitely increases rewatch value of this series.
Btw which youtube channel you are referring to?

It’s Foxen anime

Oct 5, 2019 11:17 AM

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Gloomy-eyes said:
Here is full explanation from N M on YouTube for this chapter:

Many people ask if all the Eldians have the Royal Blood since they are all descendants of Ymir. Let me explain something: Maria, Rose and Shina ate Ymir and probably each of them gained 3 titan powers (at first in titan realm behind Ymir we see 3 branches on The Tree Of Lifr). One of those 3 had to inherit the Founder and she was the first Royal descendant of Ymir. After that when all 9 Titans were split ( later in chapter there are 9 branches on The Tree Of Life) , the person who inherited only the Founder has started the Royal bloodline. Case closed.

I also wanted to point out how Isayama teased Eren seeing Ymir's memories. In season 2 outro when Maria, Rose and Shina are eating Ymir there is a window behind the King. In that window on the right side you can see an Eagle. In Norse mythology The Tree Of Life has 3 creatures inside it. The serpen-like Dragon under the Tree (Ymir, source of all living matter) , an Eagle (Eren) that guards the Tree and a squirel that sends messages betwen the Dragon and the Eagle (Zeke, who made conntact of Eren and Ymir possible). Isayama is a foreshadowing god.

Also did you see how exactly 13 people pointed their fingers on Ymir?

That doesn't even make sense. Why is it that only who receive Founding Titan, started the royal lineage? Where are we getting this information, among lots of other things?

Oct 5, 2019 11:38 AM

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A reason for the 'royal lineage" could be simply purity of blood, the descendants of Ymir that didn't mix too much are the royal family (kinda like europea noble lineages), it amazes me no one has sugested it yet.

Oct 5, 2019 11:43 AM

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l_viha said:

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Then why couldn't Grisha use it? Why couldn't Eren use it before he was aware of her? Neither of them knew about how the coordinate worked. Why does this rule or belief, which predates them exist? Also, this general rule has been proven to be true as Eren has no trouble using it when in contact with "royals" such as Dina and Zeke.

This seems like a plot hole, and is certainly a muddy and needing proper explanation. Anyways, since time-travel exists in the manga, any manner of explanation could be had through that.

Forget about what I said, this makes much more sense ↓

Gloomy-eyes said:
Here is full explanation from N M on YouTube for this chapter:

Many people ask if all the Eldians have the Royal Blood since they are all descendants of Ymir. Let me explain something: Maria, Rose and Shina ate Ymir and probably each of them gained 3 titan powers (at first in titan realm behind Ymir we see 3 branches on The Tree Of Lifr). One of those 3 had to inherit the Founder and she was the first Royal descendant of Ymir. After that when all 9 Titans were split ( later in chapter there are 9 branches on The Tree Of Life) , the person who inherited only the Founder has started the Royal bloodline. Case closed.

I disagree, as we know, royal blood is the only requirement. What makes the other siblings any more or less royal? Why does inheriting the founding make one more royal? That explanation is something I vaguely guessed at and said we have no clues as to it being true and doesn't make much sense. Obviously Ymir is the start of titans, and Fritz was the start of royalty in the titan blood line. If one daughter only counting towards the royal bloodline because she inherited the founding is going to be the explanation, it's going to need some real convincing, because at a surface level, it's shit.

And even if that was the case, and that's a big if, unless that kid kept her family real small and controlled, she'd have spread her genes to 1/3 of the population. The first child of Ymir, 2000 years ago, after 100s of generations would have innumerable offspring. Right now, as things stand, the simplest solution is a plot hole, and until I see a proper explanation from the series itself, instead of guessing of fanboys, I'm going to keep it as that.

And when incest is brought up, to what dilution or how pure does it need be? Because after a few generations of incest, the bloodline would be permanently fucked. There's too much unanswered and a seemingly gaping plot hole right now.

Oct 5, 2019 11:51 AM

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Aredros said:
A reason for the 'royal lineage" could be simply purity of blood, the descendants of Ymir that didn't mix too much are the royal family (kinda like europea noble lineages), it amazes me no one has sugested it yet.

To what extent purity of royal lineage is determined? "Mix too much" is an arbitrary value, who is determining that? That's a risky and convenient argument.

Wonder how much can Snk explain from here. First that whole time travel thing, and now this plothole from Ymir's story. At least the last few chapters of trainwreck should be fun.

Oct 5, 2019 12:12 PM

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zerotitan said:

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So nobody can answer me ??

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

in number 2
I am asking why
so what you said is in my question too
it seems ridiculous for eren/grishia not to use the power to change all of these

by this ability there are so many alternative scenatios I only mentioned one and you mentioned many

Oct 5, 2019 12:18 PM

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Going with the mythology that tree should be Yggdrasil, right? I guess titan powers could be returned to it, if someone bearing all titan powers would be sacrificed there?

Oct 5, 2019 12:19 PM

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Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

in number 2
I am asking why
so what you said is in my question too
it seems ridiculous for eren/grishia not to use the power to change all of these

by this ability there are so many alternative scenatios I only mentioned one and you mentioned many

Didn't I tell even if they sent memories they could not have changed anything. Past can not be altered here. There is no alternate timeline, only one timeline where everything that had happened can not be altered or changed.

Oct 5, 2019 12:23 PM

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zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

So nobody can answer me ??

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

In number 3 your explanation is kinda silly

Yumir wants freedom for herself and what she does prove my words but she did so many to make eren manage to the crossing and tell her that she is free while she is already thinking so even before eren reaches the crossing , So doing all this is one of the most ridiculous choices ever

still if yumir wants eren she could make him enter , she is the one who rules everything so it will unrealistic thing to be unable to do such a thing

Oct 5, 2019 12:25 PM

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zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

Uchihakira said:
well It was a Demonic flashback

But there somethings that feel contradictory out there
( If someone knows the explanation, please explain )

1- Yumir saves zeke when the thunder spear exploded

Eren said in this chapter that yumir is the one who led him all the way till there , So you can conclude that yumir saved zeke , imo it's a bad use of plot device , Zeke being saved like this is kinda unrealistic way to introduce yumir to the story ( actual yumir )

2- Attack titan ability

Eren said in ch 121 that attack titan ability makes it possible to talk to the previous holder of the titan which was grishia
So why didn't grishia used the same power to save his sister ( died from dogs attack ) and tell kruger to give him the motivation to rebel on Marly

3- Yumir behaviour and character

From the demonic flashback of yumir , we all knew that the idea of being slave is installed in her mind , but what she did says the opposite
let me explain my opinion
If yumir truly thinks she is a slave she won't led eren to Crossing (oragansier)
( eren himself said so ) , So she truly thiks that she isn't a slave because she led eren there to tell her that she isn't a slave , Which really seems stupid imo

Eren said to yumir to lend him her powers so he can destroy the world and make her free , If yumir wants to be free why didn't she done that ?
for ex activating the rumbling ( she already thinks that she's free )

from all my talk We can conclude that yumir can take eren himself to the organiser just like zeke ( Ordering a titan to open his stomach and absorb eren)

4- 13-year rule

from the flashback it seems that this rule is just a lie , As it seems unrealistic to create such a rule while yumir her self didn't have a weak body
( like kruger said )

So why A nation like marly depends on such a rule ??

So nobody can answer me ??

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

in number 2
I am asking why
so what you said is in my question too
it seems ridiculous for eren/grishia not to use the power to change all of these

by this ability there are so many alternative scenatios I only mentioned one and you mentioned many

Didn't I tell even if they sent memories they could not have changed anything. Past can not be altered here. There is no alternate timeline, only one timeline where everything that had happened can not be altered or changed.

so you are saying it's still need an explanation??

Oct 5, 2019 12:31 PM

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Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

Uchihakira said:
well It was a Demonic flashback

But there somethings that feel contradictory out there
( If someone knows the explanation, please explain )

1- Yumir saves zeke when the thunder spear exploded

Eren said in this chapter that yumir is the one who led him all the way till there , So you can conclude that yumir saved zeke , imo it's a bad use of plot device , Zeke being saved like this is kinda unrealistic way to introduce yumir to the story ( actual yumir )

2- Attack titan ability

Eren said in ch 121 that attack titan ability makes it possible to talk to the previous holder of the titan which was grishia
So why didn't grishia used the same power to save his sister ( died from dogs attack ) and tell kruger to give him the motivation to rebel on Marly

3- Yumir behaviour and character

From the demonic flashback of yumir , we all knew that the idea of being slave is installed in her mind , but what she did says the opposite
let me explain my opinion
If yumir truly thinks she is a slave she won't led eren to Crossing (oragansier)
( eren himself said so ) , So she truly thiks that she isn't a slave because she led eren there to tell her that she isn't a slave , Which really seems stupid imo

Eren said to yumir to lend him her powers so he can destroy the world and make her free , If yumir wants to be free why didn't she done that ?
for ex activating the rumbling ( she already thinks that she's free )

from all my talk We can conclude that yumir can take eren himself to the organiser just like zeke ( Ordering a titan to open his stomach and absorb eren)

4- 13-year rule

from the flashback it seems that this rule is just a lie , As it seems unrealistic to create such a rule while yumir her self didn't have a weak body
( like kruger said )

So why A nation like marly depends on such a rule ??

So nobody can answer me ??

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

in number 2
I am asking why
so what you said is in my question too
it seems ridiculous for eren/grishia not to use the power to change all of these

by this ability there are so many alternative scenatios I only mentioned one and you mentioned many

Didn't I tell even if they sent memories they could not have changed anything. Past can not be altered here. There is no alternate timeline, only one timeline where everything that had happened can not be altered or changed.

so you are saying it's still need an explanation??

I don't think any explanation for time travel is still required.
It is very clear there are no multiple worldlines in snk where there can be multiple outcomes or you can change worlds by changing the past. It's a single timeline where what happened has happened and can not be changed. Eren sending his memory to little eren about his mother's death would not have changed the outcome. Grisha sending his sister's death memories would not have changed her fate and the same goes for everything I mentioned.

Oct 5, 2019 12:41 PM

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I feel so bad for Ymir... Her life story was upsetting (T^T), poor girl. That king is a disgusting poop.
Also, I hope Gabi dies :D

Oct 5, 2019 12:51 PM

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Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

In number 3 your explanation is kinda silly

Yumir wants freedom for herself and what she does prove my words but she did so many to make eren manage to the crossing and tell her that she is free while she is already thinking so even before eren reaches the crossing , So doing all this is one of the most ridiculous choices ever

still if yumir wants eren she could make him enter , she is the one who rules everything so it will unrealistic thing to be unable to do such a thing

Like Gloomy-eyes mentioned :
Ymir is a loyal slave but she still is aware of her despair, when she chose to get shot by the spear it isn’t just her loyalty, but also to commit suicide(remember, Ymir can totally heal with titan power). So there is nothing wrong with her acting all loyal to the first king yet let Eren to fuck all up.

And the essence of what I said was also the same, she is a loyal slave but wishes for freedom, and wants to be treated humanly not just like a slave. She does what she is ordered to do by her masters, yet in the pursuit of freedom, she needs someone to make her feel human, and let her decide what she wants to do, which never happened before and that's what eren did. You know what this means if eren also ordered her like Zeke she probably would have listened to Zeke and not eren. The difference is Zeke ordered and eren let her decide.
If that makes sense to you. Some other users might be able to explain it more clearly than me if you are still not clear.

Oct 5, 2019 12:56 PM

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haldattey said:
Ymir's backstory is a ugly bastard hentai.

This made me laugh, not gonna lie.

Oct 5, 2019 1:03 PM

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zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

Uchihakira said:
well It was a Demonic flashback

But there somethings that feel contradictory out there
( If someone knows the explanation, please explain )

1- Yumir saves zeke when the thunder spear exploded

Eren said in this chapter that yumir is the one who led him all the way till there , So you can conclude that yumir saved zeke , imo it's a bad use of plot device , Zeke being saved like this is kinda unrealistic way to introduce yumir to the story ( actual yumir )

2- Attack titan ability

Eren said in ch 121 that attack titan ability makes it possible to talk to the previous holder of the titan which was grishia
So why didn't grishia used the same power to save his sister ( died from dogs attack ) and tell kruger to give him the motivation to rebel on Marly

3- Yumir behaviour and character

From the demonic flashback of yumir , we all knew that the idea of being slave is installed in her mind , but what she did says the opposite
let me explain my opinion
If yumir truly thinks she is a slave she won't led eren to Crossing (oragansier)
( eren himself said so ) , So she truly thiks that she isn't a slave because she led eren there to tell her that she isn't a slave , Which really seems stupid imo

Eren said to yumir to lend him her powers so he can destroy the world and make her free , If yumir wants to be free why didn't she done that ?
for ex activating the rumbling ( she already thinks that she's free )

from all my talk We can conclude that yumir can take eren himself to the organiser just like zeke ( Ordering a titan to open his stomach and absorb eren)

4- 13-year rule

from the flashback it seems that this rule is just a lie , As it seems unrealistic to create such a rule while yumir her self didn't have a weak body
( like kruger said )

So why A nation like marly depends on such a rule ??

So nobody can answer me ??

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

In number 3 your explanation is kinda silly

Yumir wants freedom for herself and what she does prove my words but she did so many to make eren manage to the crossing and tell her that she is free while she is already thinking so even before eren reaches the crossing , So doing all this is one of the most ridiculous choices ever

still if yumir wants eren she could make him enter , she is the one who rules everything so it will unrealistic thing to be unable to do such a thing

Like Gloomy-eyes mentioned :
Ymir is a loyal slave but she still is aware of her despair, when she chose to get shot by the spear it isn’t just her loyalty, but also to commit suicide(remember, Ymir can totally heal with titan power). So there is nothing wrong with her acting all loyal to the first king yet let Eren to fuck all up.

And the essence of what I said was also the same, she is a loyal slave but wishes for freedom, and wants to be treated humanly not just like a slave. She does what she is ordered to do by her masters, yet in the pursuit of freedom, she needs someone to make her feel human, and let her decide what she wants to do, which never happened before and that's what eren did. You know what this means if eren also ordered her like Zeke she probably would have listened to Zeke and not eren. The difference is Zeke ordered and eren let her decide.
If that makes sense to you. Some other users might be able to explain it more clearly than me if you are still not clear.

If your explanation is right , that means what happened is one of the silliest plots ever and still contradictory because yumir has the will of being free
which presented in setting the pigs free and when she refused to heal from the spear , it was so obvious that she refused being slave and the king said you should be doing like this because you are our slave , this makes it obvious that she thinks internally that she's free , so it's unrealistic to still be slave anymore and if she wants eren she will bring him without the use of zeke , it will be very silly that the founder yumir can't do such a things

Honestly this chapter could be one of the worst SNK chapters ever came out

Oct 5, 2019 2:00 PM

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Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

zerotitan said:

Uchihakira said:

Uchihakira said:
well It was a Demonic flashback

But there somethings that feel contradictory out there
( If someone knows the explanation, please explain )

1- Yumir saves zeke when the thunder spear exploded

Eren said in this chapter that yumir is the one who led him all the way till there , So you can conclude that yumir saved zeke , imo it's a bad use of plot device , Zeke being saved like this is kinda unrealistic way to introduce yumir to the story ( actual yumir )

2- Attack titan ability

Eren said in ch 121 that attack titan ability makes it possible to talk to the previous holder of the titan which was grishia
So why didn't grishia used the same power to save his sister ( died from dogs attack ) and tell kruger to give him the motivation to rebel on Marly

3- Yumir behaviour and character

From the demonic flashback of yumir , we all knew that the idea of being slave is installed in her mind , but what she did says the opposite
let me explain my opinion
If yumir truly thinks she is a slave she won't led eren to Crossing (oragansier)
( eren himself said so ) , So she truly thiks that she isn't a slave because she led eren there to tell her that she isn't a slave , Which really seems stupid imo

Eren said to yumir to lend him her powers so he can destroy the world and make her free , If yumir wants to be free why didn't she done that ?
for ex activating the rumbling ( she already thinks that she's free )

from all my talk We can conclude that yumir can take eren himself to the organiser just like zeke ( Ordering a titan to open his stomach and absorb eren)

4- 13-year rule

from the flashback it seems that this rule is just a lie , As it seems unrealistic to create such a rule while yumir her self didn't have a weak body
( like kruger said )

So why A nation like marly depends on such a rule ??

So nobody can answer me ??

1. It's not a question, right? Its your opinion, I can't change your opinion. If you think its a bad plot device then that's what you think. Most people don't think that way.

2. Attack titan's ability is to see the memory of future holders, that is, if future holder his sending some of their memories to the past holders they will be able to see it.
You say why didn't Grisha used that power to change his sister's death, you can also say why didn't eren saved his mother from being eaten, why didn't he inform the corps about inevitable fall of the wall maria earlier, why didn't Kruger informed his father and other eldian restorationists that they might be caught and will be burned alive? Eren actually saw his mother's and Hannes's death scene in his dream in the first episode itself, why couldn't he change any of those outcomes? He simply disregarded them as some weird dreams, that would have been the case with Grisha too even if he had sent his memories nothing would have changed. And that's why time travel in this manga doesn't involve a change in the past, change in past will result in much more complexity and for that to happen and to maintain causality world lines shift kind of explanations would be required.

3. The idea of a slave is installed in her mind that doesn't mean she can wish for freedom. However, suppressing that wish and obeying their master's wish is what becomes truth for those who have such ideas installed in their minds. They can only wonder what it might be like to be free. She might be waiting for someone, just someone to treat her like a human being and not some goddess or slave. Every royal beforehand had her treated like a slave, ordered her like a slave and that's what Zeke was doing too.

Ymir is just like a medium, but the real key is the power which shifters hold, she could not start rumbling unless the wielder of the founder asks her( not orders her though even if ordered she is bound to do it because that's what her slave mindset requires her to do) to or even if she could that might not do any good for her she too is trapped in the paths dimension she wanted to be out of it for that she might need founder titan too, that centipede thing resides in eren and not ymir herself. However, there are things that still needed to be answered which most probably will be.

Ymir saving Zeke was important because Zeke was the only key for eren to reach paths and achieve whatever he wishes.

4. 13 Year rule might not be a lie(You can't be sure that it's a lie) because we have seen Uri, Kruger getting old at a very fast speed when they reach the end of their 13-year term. So it must not be a lie, and it is very much possible that 13 years is still the time between when ymir first got her power and when she died.
What exactly is the reason behind the 13-year curse that we don't know?

In number 3 your explanation is kinda silly

Yumir wants freedom for herself and what she does prove my words but she did so many to make eren manage to the crossing and tell her that she is free while she is already thinking so even before eren reaches the crossing , So doing all this is one of the most ridiculous choices ever

still if yumir wants eren she could make him enter , she is the one who rules everything so it will unrealistic thing to be unable to do such a thing

Like Gloomy-eyes mentioned :
Ymir is a loyal slave but she still is aware of her despair, when she chose to get shot by the spear it isn’t just her loyalty, but also to commit suicide(remember, Ymir can totally heal with titan power). So there is nothing wrong with her acting all loyal to the first king yet let Eren to fuck all up.

And the essence of what I said was also the same, she is a loyal slave but wishes for freedom, and wants to be treated humanly not just like a slave. She does what she is ordered to do by her masters, yet in the pursuit of freedom, she needs someone to make her feel human, and let her decide what she wants to do, which never happened before and that's what eren did. You know what this means if eren also ordered her like Zeke she probably would have listened to Zeke and not eren. The difference is Zeke ordered and eren let her decide.
If that makes sense to you. Some other users might be able to explain it more clearly than me if you are still not clear.

If your explanation is right , that means what happened is one of the silliest plots ever and still contradictory because yumir has the will of being free
which presented in setting the pigs free and when she refused to heal from the spear , it was so obvious that she refused being slave and the king said you should be doing like this because you are our slave , this makes it obvious that she thinks internally that she's free , so it's unrealistic to still be slave anymore and if she wants eren she will bring him without the use of zeke , it will be very silly that the founder yumir can't do such a things

Honestly this chapter could be one of the worst SNK chapters ever came out

Seems more like you didn't understand anything.
She wasn't the one to set pigs free, where are you implying that from. She was falsely accused by others and she took the blame, a parallel to our current Ymir(historia's friend).
She refused to heal is more like that she didn't understand her powers or she didn't have will to live further.
She refused to be a slave: Again how do you even imply that. She returned to the people who falsely accused her, played wild games with her(attacking her while she was running away), she returned to the king who tortured her while she could have killed all of them right away with her powers which further suggests she was just a loyal slave when ordered to leave she leaves, when ordered to come back she returns.

The major questions this chapter has left us thinking with are
1. If All Eldians are of royal blood, or Ymir was also made to bear children with non-royal blood people which I think could be possible, with king thinking there should be some royal blood members which inherit the powers and non-royal members to be their servants and followers to expand the kingdom. After all for him, there was no human value of ymir she was just a slave and he could have used her the way he wanted.
2. What was that centipede thing which attached itself to ymir. Though could be simply considered as the source of organic matter drawing parallels to Norse mythology as others suggested.

And I think Isayama already is aware of these things (that will be really difficult to think that Isayama wouldn't think of these questions when almost everyone does) and I believe there will be answers to everything, though I think sometimes it's good to leave somethings as vague and not going into complete details as long as that doesn't create plot-holes.

The issues in this chapter according to you are no real issues for anyone else, I have not seen anyone talking about ymir like you are, not even those who like to criticize every chapter, those who like to nitpick, and those who criticize constructively, literally no one.

Also what kind of asspull way you want ymir to bring eren into paths? Eren needed to touch Zeke(royal blood) it is very clear without touching him he can not use founder and reach paths, nothing that ymir can do about that so she ensured Zeke remains alive so eren can make contact with him later.

zerotitanOct 5, 2019 2:04 PM

Oct 5, 2019 2:23 PM

#122

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Great chapter, and the name, damn it got me good!
A good explanation on a few things, the Titan's origins, overall a good chapter, can't wait for the new one
BTW
F*ck Gabi, hate that bitch through and through. How come she's still alive?!
Isayama sensei messing with us it seems by creating the most hatebale character in SnK

Oct 5, 2019 2:23 PM

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I AM IN AWE. THE RUMBLING IS HERE.
THIS REALLY FEELS LIKE THE CLIMAX OF THE STORY OMGGG

Oct 5, 2019 3:18 PM

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@Uchihakira

Dude, how about you keep in mind that everyone you are discussing with, is just giving their two cents of what is going on, there is plenty of question after this chapter that will need to be address, not because it is not address now means the author fucked up, people criticize this series all the time saying asspull, plot hole etc and in the end Isayama always gets the last laugh when he ties things perfectly and erase the plot hole that were being criticize.

I remember in chapter 50 when Eren first use the coordinate some person were shouting, typical shounen power up asspull, because he was able to control titan right there, only to later find out a year or two after that he was able to control the Titans because he touch the smiling titan who is of royal blood and that is what triggered it.

I'm sure you thought it was an asspull as well and I wouldn't blame you, but who the hell would see that plot development coming? Know one was expecting an explanation for that, but in the end he did it, this is normal thing, Isayama gives answers and there is questions after the answer, so base off pass events, it probably would be a good idea to keep an open mind that an explanation can happen.

keragammingOct 5, 2019 3:22 PM

Oct 5, 2019 3:21 PM

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keragamming said:
@Uchihakira

Dude, how about you keep in mind that everyone you are discussing with, is just giving their two cents of what is going on, there is plenty of question after this chapter that will need to be address, not because it is not address now means the author fucked up, people criticize this series all the time saying asspull, plot hole etc and in the end Isayama always gets the last laugh when he ties things perfectly and erase the plot hole that were being criticize.

I remember in chapter 50 when Eren first use the coordinate some person were shouting, typical shounen power up asspull, because he was able to control titan right there, only to later find out a year or two after that he was able to control the Titans because he touch the smiling titan who is of royal blood and that is what triggered it.

I'm sure you thought it was an asspull as well and that know there would be an explanation for that, but in the end he did it, this is normal thing, Isayama gives answers and there is questions after the answer, so base off pass events, it probably would be a good idea to keep an open mind that an explanation can happen.

that's what a really hope imo
but in yumir personality it seems like it got explained enough while it's not
still hoping it could be explained more than that

Oct 5, 2019 3:22 PM

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OMFG!!!! SOO AWESOME !!!!

Oct 5, 2019 4:42 PM

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Eren transforming into the Attack Titan perhaps for one last time.

DanteHawke said:
Can someone explain what's goiing on here? xD

Eren found out Ymir's story.

Oct 5, 2019 5:01 PM

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Last month, I was thinking that Eren's plan was to set Ymir free and simply nullify the titan powers. Not sure how omnicide factors into "freedom" or trying to protect his people... if there will be no people left who can enjoy freedom.

I suppose it depends on whether or not Ymir can direct the colossals and keep them from wiping out humanity. The World-Alliance army is completely screwed and millions of Eldians and Marleyans alike on the island will perish unless Ymir can take immediate control over them. No idea what they would be used for, if not for wiping out all enemies of Eldia or simply wiping out humanity altogether.

Oct 5, 2019 9:24 PM

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Yautja said:

keragamming said:

Yautja said:

Modernoir said:

Yautja said:
Ymir's backstory definitely should have been and should be given more time (which I believe it will) instead of cramming it into one chapter, and I definitely agree that the king was super fuckin' lame. As is the sort of "talk not jutsu" and insane plot armor regeneration, though it's not too bad. Ymir being who she was is definitely good and fitting, though I wish the whole world tree Nidhogg thing had been given more attention / hints in the past, unless I'm not remembering it. Over all, it's good that things are tying together and make pretty good sense.

To nitpick something about the readers that bugs me, that just goes to show how low the standards are of the anime community are, accurate foreshadowing is not such a big deal. The first rule to writing good fiction is knowing your beginning and ending, this should be standard. This part, the 2000 years, the looking at future Eren, should not be what people are pointing to justify calling this amazing writing. How well it was written, how well it fits, yea, but the foreshadowing itself, no. As far as I'm concerned, the foreshadowing itself, not the story or execution, was no big deal.

To spoil the fuck out of a kids book series that I read, shockingly, as a kid, the Alchemyst, that is rated fairly mediocre, one of the main characters was notably described for his blue eyes, and we learn about his likes and dislikes throughout the first book. Likes history, old animals, dinosaurs, prehistoric stuff, hates snakes, etc.

A while later, like 3 books later, another character, who has been repeatedly mentioned, is introduced. A very mysterious and important guy, he's in a realm modeled after the Pleistocene era. Though some things are off, too many moons, and some things are out of place, no snakes near the water even though there should be as most other things are spot on. His are are described as extremely striking and bright blue. Long story short, as it's impossible to explain why foreshadowing of a series people haven't read was good or and well detailed throughout multiple books, after 2 more books we learn the two characters are one in the same. Time travel shenanigans. All things considered, the foreshadowing was pretty well done, especially for a kids book.

The point being, this foreshadowing was also done from the very beginning, and was incredibly subtle, and done throughout multiple books, multiple times, in a series for kids that is rated pretty average. There are countless cases of this in all kinds of fiction of all kinds of origins. This part specifically, the foreshadowing, shouldn't be such a big deal. It's kind of telling how poorly written / read most manga / readers are. It's such a dumb thing to latch onto to exclaim something is great writing. I definitely think AOT is doing so much better and is very good, but this has got to be the stupidest thing to latch onto.

While I was expecting way worse from you this time I can actually understand a lot of your points. Though I'd say the reason why a lot of people are so happy with how well built-up and foreshadowed everything in this series is comes from the fact that it's actually quite hard for a manga to do such foreshadowing so well given that manga is published monthly/weekly. While with books it's much easier to more carefully interweave foreshadowing because the author has all the time in the world to actually write the book and release it all at once, a mangaka has monthly/weekly deadlines they have to adhere to which puts a much stricter time limit on how much depth they can put into foreshadowing. People aren't losing their minds over this manga having foreshadowing, they're appreciating just how deeply foreshadowed so many important elements of the series have been made all the way since the series started 10 years ago. Unless you've got other examples in manga, I can't really think of any that have been interlaced with as much clever foreshadowing as AoT has.

not trying to start a flamewar here, I agree with your point that this should be done WAY more often with manga but it just really isn't done that often, which is a huge shame since I think it does a lot to benefit a story and make it feel so much more coherent.

If you're not trying to start a flamewar, that was an awful way to open. I don't remember you, so if you're referring to something, you'll have to be more specific, but browsing post history on AOT, and depending on what you mean by "worse", you're one to talk. Opening by throwing unrelated shade ain't the way to avoid flamewars.

Anyways, people don't notice it half the time and are freaking out because a lot of people don't actually read books and or don't / didn't pay attention in English class. The manga / anime / weeb community are shit at these kinds of things, both authors and readers, because of how much garbage gets published and how low the standards are, not principally because of time constraints. People very much are losing their minds over foreshadowing, here and on aggregators especially.

Archer's true identity was plastered all over Fate and the series in general does it a lot, Tatami Galaxy has a lot of it, as do Madoka and Monogatari in particular. Tons of mystery manga and anime such as GoSick. Steins;Gate is obvious. Guilty Crown told the entire story in the opening song. Nagi no Asukara and Little Busters are two other good ones. As for manga in particular, Your Lie in April was littered with death flags. Koe No katachi has a bit of it, IIRC. FMAB is another obvious one. People praise One Piece and Nanatsu no Taizai for it a lot. I heard a lot of good things about Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei too. Mirai Nikki pretty much spoiled everything super early on. The list goes on.

So basically you are saying, we are not allowed to praise a series for doing a job well done, just because others has done similar things? Not to mention snk is way more impressive for the fact it has been ongoing for a decade now building up to this very moment, where were you when the first chapter was release back in 2009? That is a long ass time for me, not to mention majority of those series are anime originals or short series with 25 episodes max, it is less likely to fuck up a short series than a series that has been ongoing for 10 years! You think people would be behaving like this if snk was ongoing for like 3 years?. That is the difference here.

It is amazing to us, because we get a different perspective of prior events in the series after finding out later developments, it also makes the rewatch value for this series top priority because the readers can go back and get a new experience when they rewatch, once snk is finish I will definitely be rewatching the entire series.

fmab, hxh, jojo,gintama and a few other series gets tons of praise for being the top tier shounen, but if you look at snk and look at what it is doing, you will realise that it is way more ambitious than any of those series that are looked at as the king of shounen series.

If snk season 4 is animated well and is completed faithfully, I have no doubt this series will be a classic, and many already see the series as a classic, but season 4 will take it up to another level.

Edit: Its actually a disrespect for me to compare snk to only shounen series, I believe this series is up there with the best books, tv series and all of the anime medium, which including seinen series. Snk is personally the best written series I have ever experience and I have read a lot of books and watch plenty of tv series as well. I am also not saying its perfect, it does have asspull and it can convenient moments as well, but the overall package and plot is god tier.

No Kathy, I'm saying that foreshadowing like this isn't a big deal and people shouldn't use it as the indicator that this manga is amazing. Learn to read. That could not have been a better example of what a straw-man is.

Nobody is saying that the foreshadowing exclusively in this series makes it amazing. There's plenty of different things about AoT that makes it amazing, whether it be the plot itself or the characters' development. We're just saying HOLY SHIT, that was some good ass foreshadowing!

Not to mention, once you get deep into SnK lore, you'll notice that the series foreshadows a fuck ton of things. This series loves to add little snippets of dialogue here and there that would seem unimportant at the time, but it becomes very important later on.

Oct 5, 2019 9:38 PM

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Don't let me down, Hajime, I've been waiting for an apocalyptical showdown for years. They all let me down.

Forever Berserk

Oct 5, 2019 10:02 PM

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ixaa said:

Yautja said:

keragamming said:

Yautja said:

Modernoir said:

Yautja said:
Ymir's backstory definitely should have been and should be given more time (which I believe it will) instead of cramming it into one chapter, and I definitely agree that the king was super fuckin' lame. As is the sort of "talk not jutsu" and insane plot armor regeneration, though it's not too bad. Ymir being who she was is definitely good and fitting, though I wish the whole world tree Nidhogg thing had been given more attention / hints in the past, unless I'm not remembering it. Over all, it's good that things are tying together and make pretty good sense.

To nitpick something about the readers that bugs me, that just goes to show how low the standards are of the anime community are, accurate foreshadowing is not such a big deal. The first rule to writing good fiction is knowing your beginning and ending, this should be standard. This part, the 2000 years, the looking at future Eren, should not be what people are pointing to justify calling this amazing writing. How well it was written, how well it fits, yea, but the foreshadowing itself, no. As far as I'm concerned, the foreshadowing itself, not the story or execution, was no big deal.

To spoil the fuck out of a kids book series that I read, shockingly, as a kid, the Alchemyst, that is rated fairly mediocre, one of the main characters was notably described for his blue eyes, and we learn about his likes and dislikes throughout the first book. Likes history, old animals, dinosaurs, prehistoric stuff, hates snakes, etc.

A while later, like 3 books later, another character, who has been repeatedly mentioned, is introduced. A very mysterious and important guy, he's in a realm modeled after the Pleistocene era. Though some things are off, too many moons, and some things are out of place, no snakes near the water even though there should be as most other things are spot on. His are are described as extremely striking and bright blue. Long story short, as it's impossible to explain why foreshadowing of a series people haven't read was good or and well detailed throughout multiple books, after 2 more books we learn the two characters are one in the same. Time travel shenanigans. All things considered, the foreshadowing was pretty well done, especially for a kids book.

The point being, this foreshadowing was also done from the very beginning, and was incredibly subtle, and done throughout multiple books, multiple times, in a series for kids that is rated pretty average. There are countless cases of this in all kinds of fiction of all kinds of origins. This part specifically, the foreshadowing, shouldn't be such a big deal. It's kind of telling how poorly written / read most manga / readers are. It's such a dumb thing to latch onto to exclaim something is great writing. I definitely think AOT is doing so much better and is very good, but this has got to be the stupidest thing to latch onto.

While I was expecting way worse from you this time I can actually understand a lot of your points. Though I'd say the reason why a lot of people are so happy with how well built-up and foreshadowed everything in this series is comes from the fact that it's actually quite hard for a manga to do such foreshadowing so well given that manga is published monthly/weekly. While with books it's much easier to more carefully interweave foreshadowing because the author has all the time in the world to actually write the book and release it all at once, a mangaka has monthly/weekly deadlines they have to adhere to which puts a much stricter time limit on how much depth they can put into foreshadowing. People aren't losing their minds over this manga having foreshadowing, they're appreciating just how deeply foreshadowed so many important elements of the series have been made all the way since the series started 10 years ago. Unless you've got other examples in manga, I can't really think of any that have been interlaced with as much clever foreshadowing as AoT has.

not trying to start a flamewar here, I agree with your point that this should be done WAY more often with manga but it just really isn't done that often, which is a huge shame since I think it does a lot to benefit a story and make it feel so much more coherent.

If you're not trying to start a flamewar, that was an awful way to open. I don't remember you, so if you're referring to something, you'll have to be more specific, but browsing post history on AOT, and depending on what you mean by "worse", you're one to talk. Opening by throwing unrelated shade ain't the way to avoid flamewars.

Anyways, people don't notice it half the time and are freaking out because a lot of people don't actually read books and or don't / didn't pay attention in English class. The manga / anime / weeb community are shit at these kinds of things, both authors and readers, because of how much garbage gets published and how low the standards are, not principally because of time constraints. People very much are losing their minds over foreshadowing, here and on aggregators especially.

Archer's true identity was plastered all over Fate and the series in general does it a lot, Tatami Galaxy has a lot of it, as do Madoka and Monogatari in particular. Tons of mystery manga and anime such as GoSick. Steins;Gate is obvious. Guilty Crown told the entire story in the opening song. Nagi no Asukara and Little Busters are two other good ones. As for manga in particular, Your Lie in April was littered with death flags. Koe No katachi has a bit of it, IIRC. FMAB is another obvious one. People praise One Piece and Nanatsu no Taizai for it a lot. I heard a lot of good things about Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei too. Mirai Nikki pretty much spoiled everything super early on. The list goes on.

So basically you are saying, we are not allowed to praise a series for doing a job well done, just because others has done similar things? Not to mention snk is way more impressive for the fact it has been ongoing for a decade now building up to this very moment, where were you when the first chapter was release back in 2009? That is a long ass time for me, not to mention majority of those series are anime originals or short series with 25 episodes max, it is less likely to fuck up a short series than a series that has been ongoing for 10 years! You think people would be behaving like this if snk was ongoing for like 3 years?. That is the difference here.

It is amazing to us, because we get a different perspective of prior events in the series after finding out later developments, it also makes the rewatch value for this series top priority because the readers can go back and get a new experience when they rewatch, once snk is finish I will definitely be rewatching the entire series.

fmab, hxh, jojo,gintama and a few other series gets tons of praise for being the top tier shounen, but if you look at snk and look at what it is doing, you will realise that it is way more ambitious than any of those series that are looked at as the king of shounen series.

If snk season 4 is animated well and is completed faithfully, I have no doubt this series will be a classic, and many already see the series as a classic, but season 4 will take it up to another level.

Edit: Its actually a disrespect for me to compare snk to only shounen series, I believe this series is up there with the best books, tv series and all of the anime medium, which including seinen series. Snk is personally the best written series I have ever experience and I have read a lot of books and watch plenty of tv series as well. I am also not saying its perfect, it does have asspull and it can convenient moments as well, but the overall package and plot is god tier.

No Kathy, I'm saying that foreshadowing like this isn't a big deal and people shouldn't use it as the indicator that this manga is amazing. Learn to read. That could not have been a better example of what a straw-man is.

Nobody is saying that the foreshadowing exclusively in this series makes it amazing. There's plenty of different things about AoT that makes it amazing, whether it be the plot itself or the characters' development. We're just saying HOLY SHIT, that was some good ass foreshadowing!

Not to mention, once you get deep into SnK lore, you'll notice that the series foreshadows a fuck ton of things. This series loves to add little snippets of dialogue here and there that would seem unimportant at the time, but it becomes very important later on.

Dude, no offence, but you're saying the exact same thing that's been said half a dozen times that I've already responded to.

There are many people both here and on aggregators pointing and shouting about how amazing the foreshadowing is without mentioning anything else. And I've said it half a dozen different times, it really isn't that good. It's just good within manga because of how neglected contemporary literary tools such as foreshadowing are; because the majority of published manga are shit and how most readers are.

There's a reason that I recounted that fairly average kids book I read, which I'd argue, did foreshadowing just as well if not better. I also listed a dozen other manga or anime that did it just as well, if not better than AOT as well. Some of which weren't all that good as a whole series. It really, truly isn't that special, not in the grand scheme. As far as foreshadowing goes, this is 8th grade. The only reason this foreshadowing seems so special is because of how much hype surrounds the manga and because 95% of the morons on this thread think old foreshadowing = good foreshadowing. A lot of this stuff is really simple shit that could be worked into whatever is necessary or completely ignored if need be, and that's the complaint you'll see from the people who actually have the balls to put out a negative opinion here.

I'll bet my left nut that 75% of the people praising this as the second coming of Jesus haven't read a single book in the past year, except manga/LNs, unless they were forced to. I'll bet both that 100% of the people praising this haven't willingly read more than 4 full length books in any 6 month period. If people actually read books, from anywhere or anytime, they'd realize how unexceptional this foreshadowing is. Especially once you learn the simple golden rule of writing, an author must know the beginning and end of his story before he starts.
The people calling this amazing foreshadowing are not unlike boxing fans try to tell MMA fans how Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world. They don't know about the other stuff out there and look silly. It's like a guy in a hut in Africa thinking he's the smartest man alive for making windmill. Or an archer in Guyana think he's the best marksman. People just don't know that outside their bubble the standards are way, way higher.

Manga and anime has it benefits, but because of how bloated the pool is, how a lot of consumers favor absolute garbage, or are just looking for simple entertainment, and only read inside this bubble, stuff like good foreshadowing is rarely appreciated or put in, and when decent stuff comes along, it seems a lot better than it really is. Especially when you compare it to the other domains that have really progressed and set a standard. The flashlight analogy again comes to mind. It seems amazing as a flashlight would to an isolated tribe in South America.

YautjaOct 5, 2019 10:15 PM

Oct 5, 2019 11:46 PM

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Great chapter!! The title itself hyped me to the core. For an origin story, I think this suites quite well. There wasn't any god or demon, there was a spine-like creature who got attached to Ymir which in turn made her a slave for 2000 years.

Not sure about the last part though, except Eren turns OP.

Oct 5, 2019 11:49 PM

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Is it the case that there isn't anything that is forcibly making Ymir submit to Fritz Family?

My understanding is that:

Ymir didn't know that when a Fritz family member contacts her using the coordinate titan power, she can refuse to do what they order.

And her slave mentality was the only thing that constrained her, since following Fritz Family orders is something she's always done while she was alive.

Oct 5, 2019 11:55 PM

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LoneWalkers said:

Aredros said:
A reason for the 'royal lineage" could be simply purity of blood, the descendants of Ymir that didn't mix too much are the royal family (kinda like europea noble lineages), it amazes me no one has sugested it yet.

To what extent purity of royal lineage is determined? "Mix too much" is an arbitrary value, who is determining that? That's a risky and convenient argument.

Wonder how much can Snk explain from here. First that whole time travel thing, and now this plothole from Ymir's story. At least the last few chapters of trainwreck should be fun.

It is a theory... not even a theory, a thought that I think could eventually explain the why, because the show is not over, so explanations are not over yet... man you are saltier than the sea, it is not just that you are picky, you are critizicing things that have still time to explain, kinda like the opposite of the people whom praise a show before it is over... I also think some things could have been better developed but your aptitude is just...

Oct 6, 2019 12:11 AM

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holy shit it's gonna be a massacre

Oct 6, 2019 1:19 AM

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Aredros said:

LoneWalkers said:

To what extent purity of royal lineage is determined? "Mix too much" is an arbitrary value, who is determining that? That's a risky and convenient argument.

Wonder how much can Snk explain from here. First that whole time travel thing, and now this plothole from Ymir's story. At least the last few chapters of trainwreck should be fun.

It is a theory... not even a theory, a thought that I think could eventually explain the why, because the show is not over, so explanations are not over yet... man you are saltier than the sea, it is not just that you are picky, you are critizicing things that have still time to explain, kinda like the opposite of the people whom praise a show before it is over... I also think some things could have been better developed but your aptitude is just...

Hilarious that there are no answers to the questions. An incomplete theory with vague assumptions have no value at all, so nothing can be explained with that theory, alright thanks.~

>Criticizing things that have still time to explain

Of course it can always explain later on, but how, because there seems to be a contradiction in story after this chapter? This is a discussion forum where readers can point out things that don't make sense in this chapter, and fans can defend it by using proper logic and reasonable speculations. That's the whole reason for creating discussion topic of individual chapters, just in case people here didn't know.

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Oct 6, 2019 1:31 AM

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Lmao I called it. At least some people aren't stupid enough to feed the trolls this time around.

Oct 6, 2019 1:36 AM

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Modernoir said:
Lmao I called it. At least some people aren't stupid enough to feed the trolls this time around.

At least there are some serious attempts with various theories to defend that plothole, unlike posting a random intellectual comment about "trolls". Seriously posts with no reference to the topic or the chapter should be banned totally.

Oct 6, 2019 1:41 AM

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LoneWalkers said:

Modernoir said:
Lmao I called it. At least some people aren't stupid enough to feed the trolls this time around.

At least there are some serious attempts with various theories to defend that plothole, unlike posting a random intellectual comment about "trolls". Seriously posts with no reference to the topic or the chapter should be banned totally.

"P-Please mods, ban the people calling out my meaningless attempts at stirring up arguments!"
You've been debunked time after time in previous discussions yet you never respond when your arguments are completely falsified by people who're actually reading the series and don't just nitpick every single chapter because they get off on criticizing popular things. At least try to pretend that you're actually criticizing the series for any reason other than to get a reaction out of people, your presence here is as meaningless as the people who go "lol asspull/hack mangaka" and ditch the threads immediately, except they're better since they don't stick around to bloat the threads with paragraphs of inane arguments over the stupidest things like "m-muh fanbases".

and before you get on your high horse about "Look, SNK fans can't handle criticism of their series~~~" Criticism is entirely welcome when you're actually open to reasonable discussion, you've proven in the past chapter threads plenty that you aren't, when someone calls you out you get defensive and when you have no way of responding to them because they've made completely reasonable arguments against your criticisms you don't respond but dip immediately. You're a troll that pampers their posts with plenty of fluff to try and give the impression they aren't one.

ModernoirOct 6, 2019 1:45 AM

Oct 6, 2019 1:48 AM

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Modernoir said:

LoneWalkers said:

At least there are some serious attempts with various theories to defend that plothole, unlike posting a random intellectual comment about "trolls". Seriously posts with no reference to the topic or the chapter should be banned totally.

"P-Please mods, ban the people calling out my meaningless attempts at stirring up arguments!"
You've been debunked time after time in previous discussions yet you never respond when your arguments are completely falsified by people who're actually reading the series and don't just nitpick every single chapter because they get off on criticizing popular things. At least try to pretend that you're actually criticizing the series for any reason other than to get a reaction out of people, your presence here is as meaningless as the people who go "lol asspull/hack mangaka" and ditch the threads immediately, except they're better since they don't stick around to bloat the threads with paragraphs of inane arguments over the stupidest things like "m-muh fanbases".

Ah yes, you just debunked all the criticisms posted above after this reply, just like how no one could respond with all the"theories". Thanks and congratulations for finally solving it!~

Oct 6, 2019 1:49 AM

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Based on this chapter, seeing that Ymir had the freedom to refuse all orders all along, I would have said there is no real 'royal blood' distinction.

But because Ymir initially ignored Eren in Ch120, there must be something about Eren's blood that made Ymir perceive it as being different from Zeke's blood, despite the fact that they're both descendants of Ymir X Fritz#1.

The reason for the distinction may depend on how the powers were split into 9.
And being a royal could possible depend on which of the daughters you're a descendant of. Because the power to communicate to Ymir in PATHS by using the founding titan power would have been passed down to only 1 of the daughters. But, right now, we don't even know how the powers were divided between the 3 daughters.

Oct 6, 2019 1:50 AM

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LoneWalkers said:

Modernoir said:

"P-Please mods, ban the people calling out my meaningless attempts at stirring up arguments!"
You've been debunked time after time in previous discussions yet you never respond when your arguments are completely falsified by people who're actually reading the series and don't just nitpick every single chapter because they get off on criticizing popular things. At least try to pretend that you're actually criticizing the series for any reason other than to get a reaction out of people, your presence here is as meaningless as the people who go "lol asspull/hack mangaka" and ditch the threads immediately, except they're better since they don't stick around to bloat the threads with paragraphs of inane arguments over the stupidest things like "m-muh fanbases".

Ah yes, you just debunked all the criticisms posted above after this reply, just like how no one could respond with all the"theories". Thanks and congratulations for finally solving it!~

As usual, there they go, running with their tail between their legs and a tilde to mask that they have nothing of substance to add to the discussion other than meaningless nitpicks that they tote as "serious arguments" which they refuse to defend when people call them out for their stupidity with actual arguments. Thank you for putting on a good show, let's hope people get tired of your act so future chapter threads aren't full of your ego-stroking~~~~

Oct 6, 2019 1:58 AM

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Modernoir said:

LoneWalkers said:

Ah yes, you just debunked all the criticisms posted above after this reply, just like how no one could respond with all the"theories". Thanks and congratulations for finally solving it!~

As usual, there they go, running with their tail between their legs and a tilde to mask that they have nothing of substance to add to the discussion other than meaningless nitpicks that they tote as "serious arguments" which they refuse to defend when people call them out for their stupidity with actual arguments. Thank you for putting on a good show, let's hope people get tired of your act so future chapter threads aren't full of your ego-stroking~~~~

Unfortunately, fans still quote me for all the criticisms posted, just like this chapter, probably because they are actual plotholes. Can you make sure that won't happen again so that we all don't have to waste time here? Maybe a teaching lesson to recognize "actual serious arguments"? Thanks again for these valuable arguments!(although that sentence construction is wrong).

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Oct 6, 2019 2:14 AM

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najumobi said:
Is it the case that there isn't anything that is forcibly making Ymir submit to Fritz Family?

My understanding is that:

Ymir didn't know that when a Fritz family member contacts her using the coordinate titan power, she can refuse to do what they order.

And her slave mentality was the only thing that constrained her, since following Fritz Family orders is something she's always done while she was alive.

That's pretty much what I figured. Revealing her to be a slave from the very start makes a lot more sense instead of depicting her as a goddess/devil figure, the first pages talking about how she was someone who'd put everyone else's happiness above her own seemed to set in stone that there wasn't a law that said that she could only follow the orders of a member of the royal family, those were only her self-imposed restrictions because of how she'd spent her entire existence being subservient since she was "born to serve" as the Eldian king put it. Makes a whole lot of sense in the end then that Eren was able to free her by being the only person in her entire life that gave her the choice to do something of her own volition instead of for the "greater good" of others. The way they tied Eren's philosophy of freedom in with this and the callback to the very first chapter's title is mad tbh.

Valyrian1124 said:
Last month, I was thinking that Eren's plan was to set Ymir free and simply nullify the titan powers. Not sure how omnicide factors into "freedom" or trying to protect his people... if there will be no people left who can enjoy freedom.

I suppose it depends on whether or not Ymir can direct the colossals and keep them from wiping out humanity. The World-Alliance army is completely screwed and millions of Eldians and Marleyans alike on the island will perish unless Ymir can take immediate control over them. No idea what they would be used for, if not for wiping out all enemies of Eldia or simply wiping out humanity altogether.

We still have yet to fully see what Eren's plans are for all of this, which explains why 2 of the memory shards seen in chapter 120 haven't yet been explored. Though if I had to guess, Eren's plan ending with him wanting to destroy the rest of the world may have came from the influence of learning that the Eldian race he was trying to defend turned out to be rotten to the core from the start, as Marley propagandized. I'm wondering too just how many people we're going to see die now, but I can't say I blame Eren for seeing the world as despicable after seeing what the Eldians did to Ymir. Shit was fucked.

ModernoirOct 6, 2019 2:19 AM

Oct 6, 2019 2:54 AM

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One Rei attention whore and one high IQ guy triggered because people are praising something he doesn't agree with are once again being butthurt...urgh cringe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Oct 6, 2019 3:10 AM

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Modernoir said:
Lmao I called it. At least some people aren't stupid enough to feed the trolls this time around.

Just ignore him, I don’t even care to give him an answer after reading his questions and his profile name. It doesn’t seem like he doesn’t understand anything but rather he doesn’t try to understand it.

Any explanation is worthless to a blind hater, any criticism is worthless to a blind fanboy. And we all know who is blind here.

Oct 6, 2019 3:27 AM

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The happiest part of the chapter is the last page
gabion is finally close to death

Someone bloody kill her

Oct 6, 2019 3:33 AM

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From the game AOT2 (found this on reddit)

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Oct 6, 2019 3:59 AM

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LoneWalkers said:

Gloomy-eyes said:

Just ignore him, I don’t even care to give him an answer after reading his questions and his profile name. It doesn’t seem like he doesn’t understand anything but rather he doesn’t try to understand it.

Any explanation is worthless to a blind hater, any criticism is worthless to a blind fanboy. And we all know who is blind here.

Why write so many lines?
"Can't come up with any answer, so let's avoid the questions that are actually related to the topic and instead talk about profile name".

Why do I have to answer such a dumb question? Same go with Yautja, you guys missed a very crucial point.

“In the absence of the Founding Titan, the Great Titan War continued”

Basically, these titans when split didn’t need to be inherited but captured by others than the royal lineage, as long as they are subjects of Ymir. The founding titan after inherited by Karl Fritz stayed hidden inside the walls while the other titans got captured by Marley after the course of the war. Besides, the founding titan is the origin form of Ymir, attached to the royal blood when passed down. So N M point about how only one started Royal bloodline is clear as heck.

Anyway, all the explanations in this chapter makes damn clear sense already, all your points are nothing more than nitpicking or just don’t even try to understand a single shit. Also, lol, realizing these very familiar profiles back in previous forums would make anyone not to take any of your blind hatred serious.

Oct 6, 2019 4:04 AM

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