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Sep 28, 2019 11:50 AM
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A cybercrime data center that was shut down by German authorities was housed inside a former NATO bunker in a sleepy riverside town, police revealed on Friday.

More than 600 law enforcement personnel including Germany's elite federal police unit, the GSG 9, were involved in an anti-cybercrime operation that took place in the town of Traben-Trarbach on the banks of the Mosel river.

Police officers succeeded in penetrating the building, a 5,000 square meter former NATO bunker with iron doors that goes five floors deep underground. The building was located on a 1.3-hectare (3.2 acre) property secured with a fence and surveillance cameras.

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The target of the operation was a so-called "bulletproof hosting" service provider. Bulletproof hosters provide IT infrastructure that protects online criminal activity from government intervention.

In the raid, police seized 200 servers along with documents, cell phones, and large quantities of cash. Thursday's operation was the first time German investigators were able to apprehend a bulletproof hoster, according to German media outlets.


https://www.dw.com/en/darknet-cybercrime-servers-hosted-in-former-nato-bunker-in-germany/a-50618469

I wonder if the authorities have stayed quiet on purpose or if it's really been incapability. And also what happens when there's a legitimate need for a bullet-proof hosting service.
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Sep 28, 2019 11:54 AM
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Bulletproof hosting? What's that?

Why aren't these guys just on Tor anyway?
Sep 28, 2019 11:58 AM
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NthDegree said:
Bulletproof hosting? What's that?

Why aren't these guys just on Tor anyway?
"Bulletproof hosting" means security even in case of natural catastrophes or a terrorist attack or government intervention

Because somewhere, there have to be the servers that those sites are hosted on and Germany lies in a strategical position in Europe, d'oh
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Sep 28, 2019 12:27 PM
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Noboru said:
NthDegree said:
Bulletproof hosting? What's that?

Why aren't these guys just on Tor anyway?
"Bulletproof hosting" means security even in case of natural catastrophes or a terrorist attack or government intervention

Because somewhere, there have to be the servers that those sites are hosted on and Germany lies in a strategical position in Europe, d'oh

Well yeah, but if you use Tor the hosting is distributed so you can't tell which computer has what, so raiding any individual server would be pointless. It's kinda surprising that people involved in high profile cybercrime would host their servers on the normal web.
Sep 28, 2019 2:47 PM
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NthDegree said:
Noboru said:
"Bulletproof hosting" means security even in case of natural catastrophes or a terrorist attack or government intervention

Because somewhere, there have to be the servers that those sites are hosted on and Germany lies in a strategical position in Europe, d'oh

Well yeah, but if you use Tor the hosting is distributed so you can't tell which computer has what, so raiding any individual server would be pointless. It's kinda surprising that people involved in high profile cybercrime would host their servers on the normal web.
Tor is about anonymizing clients, not servers. I'm not sure what's more surprising: that such things were hosted in the middle of Europe or that hosting such things was made possible over here
Sep 28, 2019 2:50 PM
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i expect this kind of shady services in poor countries not in places like Germany
Sep 28, 2019 11:53 PM
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So what are the things on those server that made it illegal, piracy?
Sep 29, 2019 2:46 AM
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hazecloud said:
So what are the things on those server that made it illegal, piracy?
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On the servers, they found countless websites facilitating the illegal sale of drugs, weapons, counterfeit documents, and stolen data as well as sites distributing child pornography.


deg said:
i expect this kind of shady services in poor countries not in places like Germany
I hadn't expected it, either, but Germany makes sense though because of its geo-strategical position
Sep 29, 2019 3:21 AM
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NthDegree said:
Bulletproof hosting? What's that?

It means your site is hosted regardless of external pressure. As long as it abides by hosting provider's rules, it stays up. A lot of illegal sites like TPB use such services.

deg said:
i expect this kind of shady services in poor countries not in places like Germany

Exactly, it was only a matter of time. Bullet proof hosting services are usually either offshore or in shitholes that don't bother to enforce laws concerning web hosting.
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