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Sep 29, 2019 4:51 PM

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So yeah, with this episode it is confirmed these 23 episodes of political build-up and the promise the seemingly divorced subplot might weave C&T's development and plot arc meaningfully is instead fizzling out with a tepid whimper. For a director whose shows are often mature and tactful, Carole & Tuesday has been about as tactful as a good old fashioned midnight barbarian bludgeoning.

With that said, I've been enjoying the individual character arcs, plot-aside, and the music development has been the driving force of the show so I hope the last episode is still superficially climactic. They better not do my boy OG Bulldog dirty by leaving him out.

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Sep 30, 2019 5:54 AM

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"However, the day you stop speaking your ideals, is the day you become nothing but a slave." That's a great quote coming from Ertegun.
Lol Carole straight up said Pyotr and GGK seem like a bad combination. And Tuesday was like "We just have to invite them!"
Wait is Desmond reviving or what.
The ED song was nice and soothing.
Looks like Angela is gonna come back. And didn't Tao ignore her message the last time she contacted him to help her, though I guessed he would eventually come and was busy with something important.
Sep 30, 2019 6:31 AM

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yes lets make average guitar+vocal song about freedom and people loving and hopefully we will stop people being mean hmhm yes very good very logic. it will be the best song ever. very good way to put political stuff and music together at the end to connect it hm yes very good. the song will be "maassaaa" but once we sing it we will surely pronounce it the good way because we girls have ez life.

im so done with this. thank god there is only one episode left.
haha sorry for the sarcastic saltiness but I can't take this crap seriously anymore.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:43 AM
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So in summary of this episode ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA legit though so glad my theory about the 7 miraculous minutes was true, LETS GO MUSICAL REVOLUTION all revolutions need a good soundtrack, no protest is complete without music, music is important for humanity and I'm glad this show gets that, so excited to this musical spectacle. Gonna have tissues at the ready I can see the feels in my future. Let's FUCKING GO 7 MIRACULOUS MINUTES OF BEAUTY AND REVOLUTION AGAINST THE CENSORSHIP. Quite cool to see an anime deal with the shall we say "complicated" issues going on all over the world and I have jokingly referred to Tuesdays mother as "Space Trump" but it's probably Jerry who's more Space Trump-esk. Also j literally cheered when Tao showed up at Angelas hospital bed at the end.
Sep 30, 2019 4:22 PM

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nobody fear, Tao is here poggu.
Oct 2, 2019 9:06 AM

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ShiningLion said:
This episode got more than a few eye rolls out of me. Everything feels forced and inorganic, and utterly predictable. A while back I found myself saying "If it ends up that they simply change the world by singing some inspirational song it's going to feel so naive, meaningless, and disappointing.

Why? Because in real life, throughout history, there have been countless songs about hope and resolution of political conflicts. There have been countless "fight the system" style gatherings and concerts put on by musicians. Isn't it basically every day that Hollywood and the entertainment industry harp about the world's problems and blame everything on conservatives? So why hasn't the world changed, if it's just that easy?

The reality is singing your feelings is a great form of expression, and may even reach others and help them through life, but it doesn't create change throughout the world on the level this show is going to try to portray. If anything, it's going to be Tao and Spencer's double whammy of exposing the bombing incident and corruption that opens people's eyes, not the concert. But even then, this is something we see almost weekly in the news. Corruption is exposed about politicians all the time, sometimes even involving violence, destabilization, and war crimes due to the choices politicians made. But we live in the age of fake news, and many people refuse to believe things that are true, or don't know what is true, so they go on with their lives largely unaffected when these things occur. There's almost never a majority public movement to recognize and deal with the corruption. It's usually split pretty evenly down the bipartisan line, depending on the affiliation of the corrupt politician in question. People care more about the identity they form through political affiliations than they do about fairness and correcting corruption.

And despite all that, the focus of this show is the musicians. It's naive, dispensable, not inspiring. I'm disappointed, to say the least. This show is going to teach a lot more naive millennials and Gen Z to keep trying to change the world through art instead of getting their hands dirty and going to actually work directly with the people in communities they claim to care about.

I'm sorry to say this show could have used a few more editorial passes by some people who don't have their heads in the ridiculous cloud of liberal Hollywood and it's foreign affiliates. Earth to Watanabe. Come in Watanabe. This show handles the issue of immigration with such vagueness and indirectness as if to treat it like it's just some kind of societal bad mood that needs to pass, like it's only really a problem when it happens to celebrities and stifles their expression, and like it's not an ongoing problem with measurable struggles for both immigrants and communities receiving them, struggles that lead to a diversity of political attitudes about immigration.

What a horrible bait and switch. The show's premise said it was about independent musicians trying to succeed in the age of AI-produced music. It isn't. It's about independent musicians working their way up the corporate food chain (through their visibility on a televised talent competition and their serendipitous connections to industry insiders) to get in on the daily grind of a politicized elite cadre of entertainers who think they not only know better than everyone else, but can change the world simply by forcing their ideas through the media.

So, basically nothing new, another day in the office for entertainers and news media, and a troubling portrait of the political stalemate the Western world has been in for decades now. Nothing in there even vaguely resembling a solution to the real world crisis the show is meant to reflect. It's like Watanabe didn't write any details about the immigration conflict in the show because he doesn't even understand these problems in real life. Just sad.

I don't know if there's any way this ending is going to actually feel like a "miracle" now. The events are looking to loosely echo the ending of Terror in Resonance, which, oddly enough, did have quite a "miracle" of an ending, but it worked a lot more because their plans were shrouded in mystery and gradually became more high stakes, rather than hyping us every episode to say "something big is gonna happen!" Also the show had a clearly knowledgeable approach to its subject matter. I consider that show a near masterpiece, but Carole & Tuesday is a fish out of water. Maybe Watanabe should stick to Japanese politics.
Yeah, I'm not really thrilled with the direction this show went either. I agree with most of what you're saying, but even so I would be willing to overlook a lot of that (naiveté is pretty forgivable given the type of anime it is IMO) if the characters had really good, meaningful development. Unfortunately, that development... just isn't there, no matter how much I want it to be. So all of it feels kinda half-baked.
Oct 2, 2019 1:47 PM

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BitterBones said:

Wait is Desmond reviving or what.

He was never confirmed to be dead.
Oct 2, 2019 9:03 PM

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Obviously it's just the black artists being arrest -.-

Racist even on another planet. SMFH

And wtf I thought Desmond died.
Glad to see Pyotr again!!! I wanna hear him sing!

Also, I'm totally shipping Tao and Angela.
Oct 2, 2019 9:12 PM

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Angela got hospitalized, she fainted due to drug overdose. Dahlia’s funeral was held. Skip and his group got arrested. Spencer went to talk with Tuesday about the bomb’s incident and the relation with their mother, Tuesday suggested to talk with her first. Carole, Tuesday, Gus, Rody, Kyle, Spencer, Ertegun and Tobe had a reunion and talked about the future of the music, Carole & Tuesday suggested to create a song with a bunch of artists. Jerry suggested Valerie that Spencer could be plotting something with Kyle. Schwartz is looking for Tao. Carole and Tuesday were struggling to write the song when Gus and Roddy arrived, they had the idea to invite Angela. Spencer discussed with Kyle about telling Valerie about the attempt. Tao finished his hacking and went to see Angela.

Lot of things happened, it’s an obvious set up for what is coming the last episode, an epic crossover, I guess. That song sounds good, I hope it’d be different from their other songs. Quite surprising Tao’s appearance, excited about their conversation.
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Oct 2, 2019 9:33 PM

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Tao at the end...that totally got me T^T
Oct 11, 2019 4:47 PM

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so we're gonna fix all the politics here with.. a single song?
Nov 15, 2019 6:25 AM

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Angela's manager is back. I'm glad Angela had her. Also, Tao finally appears and reunites with Angela. I thought Desmond was dead wtf lmao

The subplots are wrapping up fast. I'm still a little disappointed with many episodes.

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Nov 19, 2019 2:38 AM

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Angela's knight is here now
I hope Angela get a better life with Tao :D
Nov 25, 2019 7:43 AM

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So if all musicians are going to sing the song, does that mean that the mermaid sisters are coming back? I really hope they do, can't forget their lyrics

Didn't expect that guy to still be alive, really thought he died

Nice to see Tao coming to the rescue at the end
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Dec 4, 2019 4:04 AM

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Penultimate episode was nice, hope everything comes to fruition in the finale
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Dec 29, 2019 5:25 AM

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Hmm i really ship angela x tao.. glad he showed up at the end and cute blush of angela..

The rest feels a bit like oh we are nearing the end guess we wrap things up..
the song plus desmond suddenly showing up huh!? Guess i dont know what they meant with the continues to sleep.. coma or something? And he came out of it?

Well i expect they all will sing together and happily ever after..

Guess im feeling similar to what shininglion said..
Jan 6, 9:08 PM
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A lot of things up in the air but glad Tao came thru- I hope they don't kill him or any of the conspiracy crew. xD I"m glad to see Angela up but dang that was depressing- fortunately Tao is there for her. =)))))
Feb 13, 7:45 AM

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There it is, the 7 minutes miracle is close at hand.
Really dramatic episode, too.
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