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Sep 24, 2019 1:32 AM

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ssjokg said:
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LMAO, no. Despite its many flaws this is still way better than Apocrypha and Extra.

Apo and Extra isnt the only Fate....

Yes, thank you captain obvious. Now explain how your comment is related to the discussion at hand.
 
 
Sep 24, 2019 1:33 AM

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Red_Ranger_Wien said:
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Apo and Extra isnt the only Fate....

Yes, thank you captain obvious. Now explain how your comment is related to the discussion at hand.
Go two quotes above and you may figure it out.
 
Sep 24, 2019 1:35 AM

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ssjokg said:
Red_Ranger_Wien said:

Yes, thank you captain obvious. Now explain how your comment is related to the discussion at hand.
Go two quotes above and you may figure it out.

Nope, still completely unrelated to me telling him that this is still a better anime than Extra or Apocrypha
 
Sep 24, 2019 4:14 AM

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Red_Ranger_Wien said:
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Go two quotes above and you may figure it out.

Nope, still completely unrelated to me telling him that this is still a better anime than Extra or Apocrypha
Except that you decided to get involved AFTER it became a discussion about CF not being a Fate title only in the title.
 
Sep 25, 2019 11:49 PM

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Kisai113 said:
TRAIN GUNDAM

Naaah, train Yamato (like from Uchuu Senkan Yamato) - see above JuuzouXIII mentioning the Wave Motion Gun.


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Except that you decided to get involved AFTER it became a discussion about CF not being a Fate title only in the title.

Dude, there are many different types of Fate titles like cooking show, mahou shoujo, parody with all the Type-Moon characters...
Lord El-Melloi II is just not comparable to the more action oriented stuff. Personally I like it better than Apo and Extra.
Many people here complain that it isn't a good mystery show but they didn't pay attention to certain details also they think in detective cliches - there is no firm rule that the culprit should be part of the main cast.
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Sep 26, 2019 1:58 AM

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alshu said:
Kisai113 said:
TRAIN GUNDAM

Naaah, train Yamato (like from Uchuu Senkan Yamato) - see above JuuzouXIII mentioning the Wave Motion Gun.


ssjokg said:
Except that you decided to get involved AFTER it became a discussion about CF not being a Fate title only in the title.

Dude, there are many different types of Fate titles like cooking show, mahou shoujo, parody with all the Type-Moon characters...
Lord El-Melloi II is just not comparable to the more action oriented stuff. Personally I like it better than Apo and Extra.
Many people here complain that it isn't a good mystery show but they didn't pay attention to certain details also they think in detective cliches - there is no firm rule that the culprit should be part of the main cast.


Parodies aside, this has all the elements FSN(at least) has.

For a mystery it has more than enough Fate action both from Servants and magi.

Yes there is no firm rule the culprit has to be from the main cast or even make a clear appearance at the beginning of the story.But that would make it a better mystery.

My problem isnt the mystery itself tho but how it is executed, at least how the anime decided to present it.


 
Sep 26, 2019 2:20 AM

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ssjokg said:

Parodies aside, this has all the elements FSN(at least) has.

For a mystery it has more than enough Fate action both from Servants and magi.

So what?
If every Fate show is one and the same that would be boring.

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Yes there is no firm rule the culprit has to be from the main cast or even make a clear appearance at the beginning of the story.But that would make it a better mystery.

No, that would make it better only if it was a logical puzzle kind of a show (like Conan or Kindaichi).
Lord El-Melloi II obviously it's not one of those (like obvious even from episode 0).

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My problem isnt the mystery itself tho but how it is executed, at least how the anime decided to present it.

Yep, some people hate competence porn.
But I think you are more disappointed with the way how Waver is interpreted here - he is emo and whimpers a lot. The actual detective work is done by others (Shishigo, Luvia, his students).
He definitely looks more badass in other titles like Apo and Prisma☆Illya (some short cameos there).

My main criticism here is that the anime dragged too much with this train case. It could be compressed into 4-5 episodes (4.2 + the eventual epilogue of the series). 7 is too long.
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Sep 26, 2019 3:25 AM

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>If every Fate show is one and the same that would be boring.

I didnt say that they have to be the same. I said that they are quite similar.

>No, that would make it better only if it was a logical puzzle kind of a show (like Conan or Kindaichi).
Lord El-Melloi II obviously it's not one of those (like obvious even from episode 0).

Even if it is a fantasy mystery it can still create a better set up by doing what proper detective mysteries do.

>Yep, some people hate competence porn.
But I think you are more disappointed with the way how Waver is interpreted here - he is emo and whimpers a lot. The actual detective work is done by others (Shishigo, Luvia, his students).

I dont care if he does all the work or not. As long as that or other traits of him seemed balanced with his Iskandar wank, I wouldnt care. But all of the arc is him being in angst about the relic being stolen(something he also had stolen) or Faker not accepting him, or Faker not being in IE etc.

We could have spend all that time in this ep actually talking about the Dr Heartless, and maybe the LN did that, but somehow I am not sure they would just reveal anything so fast even in the original.
 
Sep 26, 2019 4:14 AM

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ssjokg said:

I didnt say that they have to be the same. I said that they are quite similar.

Of course they should have some similarities but they shouldn't be necessary identical.

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Even if it is a fantasy mystery it can still create a better set up by doing what proper detective mysteries do.

Fantasy or not there are different kinds of detective titles - like some give you enough pieces of the puzzle to figure it out yourself, others keep you in the dark on purpose.
 
Sep 28, 2019 2:39 AM
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hearing saber's voice again was best part for me
 
 
Oct 12, 2019 8:44 AM

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So the servant was a faker, and the true bad guy has appeared, dr.Heartless

The church guy is really impressing, fighting heartless and his servant after he got his eyes back without needing rest or anything


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Oct 20, 2019 12:22 AM

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A lot of explanations in this episode which was nice.

RIP mastermind/faker. Gray did a good job of blasting them with her friendship beam.
 
Nov 2, 2019 12:32 PM
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So anyone else thinking that Church guy's eyes are really op?

I mean theoretically the way it works once it recorded a slash and reproduced them into the same space it could cut through anything (even servants and their weapons/gear). Could you imagine him cutting high end NP's like excaliber, shields armors,etc into pieces?
No wonder he needed to die.

Also Doctor Heartless ability of teleporting/opening gates kinda reminds me of a Darius/Angelica (Ainsworth specialty Flash Air, a form of displacement magecraft). Can't help but think maby Nasu ripped it off? (or just coincidence?)
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Nov 3, 2019 12:59 PM

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so the train turned into laser beam shooting thomas the thank engine mech. mokay. lost all immersion i had for this series until that point.
 
Nov 3, 2019 4:51 PM

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This was a mediocre and slow paced show. The detective stuff was a nice change from the typical fate battle royale. But characters felt quite lacking. Waver was a cool character but I wasn't fully able to understand what he was even trying to achieve. And Saber vessel Gray seemed like a tool with little personality.

The ending had some action but was ultimately disappointing. I have no idea how Faker and Heartless escaped unscathed while that badass Karabo died since no explanation was provided. I guess the creators just rushed it in the end.
 
Nov 12, 2019 1:45 PM

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as interesting as it was, everything Waver said in the last 3+ episodes meant little to me compared to the hype i felt from this single minute of Gray-tness LOL
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Dec 27, 2019 9:03 PM

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No reaction whatsoever from a sister who just reunited with his brother...

Well that would be funny if that Arthuria that have been summoned all the time was a Faker all along.

Lol, of all things that Karabo could slash, he slashed only Hephaestion's clothes and cheek.
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Jan 2, 2020 10:35 PM

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Hmm...I mean I like the characters and all, and the premise is good, but I feel the execution just isn’t there. Seems like a lot of bs was pulled to explain everything that is going on during this arc. Specifically, that death cannon fired by the train was pretty ridiculous.

I’d love to see more of Reines, Gray, and Waver in the future for sure with hopes that it would be a better plot with better execution next time. That Karabo guy is pretty dope too. Ah well, hopefully the last episode is good. I enjoyed this anime a lot more during the shopping episode than the Rail Zeppelin arc.
 
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