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Sep 19, 9:49 AM

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Ryuk9428 said:
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UFO doesn't mean aliens are involved.


Oh jeez...

Guys you should probably research this more before just being mindlessly skeptical. The government pretty much all but said that UFOs are not only real but that it's also aliens.

Is it that difficult to believe that a highly advanced alien civilization may have discovered us?

Yes, it is.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

One can easily come with a plethora of plausible explanations for "alien sightings".
 
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CondemneDio said:
Ryuk9428 said:


Oh jeez...

Guys you should probably research this more before just being mindlessly skeptical. The government pretty much all but said that UFOs are not only real but that it's also aliens.

Is it that difficult to believe that a highly advanced alien civilization may have discovered us?

Yes, it is.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

One can easily come with a plethora of plausible explanations for "alien sightings".


It is a moderate claim at best with pretty high levels of evidence. All the pieces fit the only piece missing is for the Pentagon to straight up say "it's aliens motherfuckers."
 
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Ryuk9428 said:
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Yes, it is.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

One can easily come with a plethora of plausible explanations for "alien sightings".


It is a moderate claim at best with pretty high levels of evidence. All the pieces fit the only piece missing is for the Pentagon to straight up say "it's aliens motherfuckers."

Nope. We have footage of who knows what, and that's it. There's an astounding leap of logic with seeing a typical UFO video and claiming aliens are visiting us.

You're free to believe what you believe, but if you want to make anyone agree, you'll need extraordinary evidence for the claims.
 
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Everytime I see the news, I wish they could take me with them.
 
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CondemneDio said:
Ryuk9428 said:


It is a moderate claim at best with pretty high levels of evidence. All the pieces fit the only piece missing is for the Pentagon to straight up say "it's aliens motherfuckers."

Nope. We have footage of who knows what, and that's it. There's an astounding leap of logic with seeing a typical UFO video and claiming aliens are visiting us.

You're free to believe what you believe, but if you want to make anyone agree, you'll need extraordinary evidence for the claims.


There's more than just videos released we have a full on report. The government currently has possession of UFO parts, they've been testing the DNA of pilots who came into contact with UFOs because they seem to think that it has changed their DNA somehow. UFOs move in ways suggestive of intelligent control yet are significantly more advanced technology wise than anything we have, and the number of UFO sightings has gone up dramatically in the last year.
 
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Ryuk9428 said:
CondemneDio said:

Nope. We have footage of who knows what, and that's it. There's an astounding leap of logic with seeing a typical UFO video and claiming aliens are visiting us.

You're free to believe what you believe, but if you want to make anyone agree, you'll need extraordinary evidence for the claims.


There's more than just videos released we have a full on report. The government currently has possession of UFO parts, they've been testing the DNA of pilots who came into contact with UFOs because they seem to think that it has changed their DNA somehow. UFOs move in ways suggestive of intelligent control yet are significantly more advanced technology wise than anything we have, and the number of UFO sightings has gone up dramatically in the last year.

I'm gonna take this all with a grain of salt, as anyone should.
Let's wait and see, maybe your wild theories are correct, or maybe this all has a more.... non-crazy explanation.
 
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Since no one cares to explain how they embedd youtube vids to me and it comes up shitty when I follow site directions on it (they static); I shall use the look at me @ approach

A quick explanation of Light Speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO7J2YIz8tY

An explanation on Aliens by "science"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NB_V6XPHE

Doesn't mean this one source is absolutely correct, but I know she worked in the field of study she is talking about and it may improve the discussion about it.

@CondemneDio I strongly agree with your statements
 
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Since no one cares to explain how they embedd youtube vids to me and it comes up shitty when I follow site directions on it (they static); I shall use the look at me @ approach

A quick explanation of Light Speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO7J2YIz8tY

An explanation on Aliens by "science"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NB_V6XPHE

Doesn't mean this one source is absolutely correct, but I know she worked in the field of study she is talking about and it may improve the discussion about it.

@CondemneDio I strongly agree with your statements
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[yt]DO7J2YIz8tY[/yt]

you can embed youtube video by copying that, just copy the part of "v=" code in the youtube link

@CondemneDio
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

agreed, i do not fully agree with the aliens explanation thats why im joking around (50% truth/belief for me) gonna wait for more extraordinary evidence
 
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@CondemneDio
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

agreed, i do not fully agree with the aliens explanation thats why im joking around (50% truth/belief for me) gonna wait for more extraordinary evidence

That's pretty much the only rational thing to do at the moment. "Alien agnosticisim" is how we should all go for now lol
 
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THANK YOU!! It was not, and the frustration of seeing static made me almost kill my laptop. You've saved alot this day--cause my hand was going to go through something in a Indiana temple of Doom kind of way
 
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What do you guys think of this video? It is only 3 minutes long, he could be lying but I do find it interesting. Would love to hear your opinion on this video.


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@Ryuk9428 @--ALEX-- @149597871 @traed
Since no one cares to explain how they embedd youtube vids to me and it comes up shitty when I follow site directions on it (they static); I shall use the look at me @ approach

A quick explanation of Light Speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO7J2YIz8tY

An explanation on Aliens by "science"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1NB_V6XPHE

Doesn't mean this one source is absolutely correct, but I know she worked in the field of study she is talking about and it may improve the discussion about it.

@CondemneDio I strongly agree with your statements


I'm aware of the fact that we do not currently know of a way to travel at or faster than the speed of light. However, I'm also not going to claim that humans know everything about the universe or physics and have discovered everything there is to know.
 
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i think that 3 minute video is part of the same 2004 UFO sighting that the news article have said and ye the military said it did happen
 
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Indeed, but 100 years ago we had plenty of knowledge about the standard solar model and the concept of satellites, we just didn't have the technology to launch a man-made satellite into the lower earth orbit, this is far from the case described here. We don't just lack the knowledge, it contradicts with everything we've learned so far. It is the same reason why we won't be able to find a "new element" to put on the periodic table between hydrogen and helium. Even after a billion years of technological advancement it will still be that way. Some things we can say with almost a hundred percent certainty despite not being as advanced as these "alien civilizations" we are talking about.



Even if the concept doesn't directly contradict with the basic laws of physics it is still just a theory with little to no evidence and research to back it up. We are not just "missing components" we don't really have an idea how to make it work or IF it's even possible to make it work at the moment. I can think of some paradoxes already but I'm not a specialist in that field either.

I don't think actual AI are limited by their programming either. That might be the case with some programs and algorithms but there are plenty of "self-learning AI" already which is far closer to the actual meaning of "artificial intelligence", in the next few decades these AI may become far superior to their developers.

But yes, you can defend even some of the most ridiculous concepts with the "2 deep 5 you" meme so most of the time you can never say for sure whether something is possible or not. All that matters are the odds.



Anyone who's done enough research on the universe would know that nothing is really impossible. The universe is too weird and crazy to assume that there is anything we can know to be the limits of our knowledge on a certain subject. There is still a lot that we don't know and from what I've seen, people consistently underestimate how much further we have to go. There were scientists in the early 20th century who thought we had discovered pretty much everything that could be.

The fact is, the chances that aliens have discovered us now is at least 80% and they have spacecrafts that appear to defy our current laws of physics. I do not believe it to be a stretch that they somehow figured out a way to travel faster than light speed. According to @traed it seems Warp drive could be one possible explanation.


It's not that high, finding life in the Universe including life is very hard. Even if the aliens break the laws of physics which is quite a big "if" there is another problem, humanity has been sending radio waves in space for just a several decades, around a century at best. These waves are pretty much one of the only ways for aliens to discover us and right now they still haven't spread throughout even 1% of our own galaxy. That would mean that our space warping aliens would still have no idea where to go unless they live suspiciously close to our planet or were aware of life on Earth way before mankind existed. Both are possible scenarios just not very plausible. Even saying that this chance is 1% is too high, it's close to 0%, slightly higher than 0. I never met an actual scientist who takes the threat of aliens seriously mainly because of what I explained so far.

So yea, maybe it is aliens, I can't say for sure whether the video is real and what is that thing either. It can be an alien spacecraft.

I checked the history of those phenomena over the years and it all leads to a similar conclusion. Paranormal activities, ghost and UFO sightings, etc., people were freaking out about so many things in the past assuming all kinds of stuff but a few years/decades later scientists came up with a rational explanation for most of these strange occurrences. For most of them at least...

There is another paradox. Apparently UFO sightings have become a lot less frequent than they were 50 years ago even though now everyone can take high quality pics/videos with their smartphone whenever they want. Nearly all of them are "caught" in a way that makes it hard to tell whether it is real or not. This one may be an exception though. But more than 90% of the rest follow the same pattern.

So is it aliens, is it Gods, is it time travelers (the possibility of that one is far lower than aliens though), is it a a secret civilization living somewhere on (or in) the Earth that we are not aware of? Maybe. People a free to believe anything they want. I prefer to a wait a bit before jumping into conclusions.

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Thanks for the videos, it gives a good explanation about the speed of light and how hard it is to search for life/civilization in space. The probability of having alien life somewhere in space is very high. There might be a civilization far more advanced than us somewhere out there. I just don't think they are aware of our existence.

Sorry about the youtube problem, it appears that someone has already answered.
You can always use this thread if you want to check the BBCode:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=398185
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Some say we should admit that we don't know what's that. But we can for sure know what's that. There are experts to judge such videos, I want their opinions.

As I've said before, I don't think there is such a thing as civilization outside Earth, especially civilization visiting us.
 
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To be honest, I've kinda always considered aliens to be extra terrestrial life that have been developed and evolved in some way shape or form on another star or planet. I mean if they government says it's there then they might be right.


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US Navy confirms UFO videos are the real deal
The US Navy has confirmed that certain UFO videos made public over the past several years do indeed show "unidentified aerial phenomena."

lol at the comments section there

 
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UFOs have always been real.

Anything not identified that is flying is a UFO. Unidentified Flying Object. We just don't know what it is yet. First assumption is aliens it seems. I'm sure it's something perfectly normal. If aliens suddenly came, I feel it would be a pretty dramatic and known event. But for the most part; what if we're the most advanced?
 
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Some say we should admit that we don't know what's that. But we can for sure know what's that. There are experts to judge such videos, I want their opinions.

As I've said before, I don't think there is such a thing as civilization outside Earth, especially civilization visiting us.


Yep, this is a natural belief humans want to believe, just like centuries ago we thought that the earth was the center of the universe because we thought we were that special and that up in the sky it looks like the stars were moving around us, only to later find out that we are just one of many planets out there orbiting the sun. This also rock the religious believers as well when this was proven to be true and if life is found on another planet that will also again rock the religious followers as we.


Not to mention there are trillions of universe out there that we currently know of, just base off maths and probability the chances of life or even civilization outside of earth is practically 99.99999999%

The fact that we have only landed humans on the moon, should tell you that we are just not advance enough to do a real search of our solar system. At this point we are just a baby crawling from one destination to another short destination, we probably need another 100 years before we can start walking and then another 1000 years before we can start driving etc. Basically we are still a baby when it comes to science and technology and we just don't have the technology currently to get to places quicker and safer to try and find other life.


civilization visiting us.

This part I can agree on, as much as I am interested in aliens and all those stuff, the chances of them finding us is or should be slim, it would be like finding a needle in a needle in a haystack, unless it is a civilization in the milky way that is close to us, but even that is a stress.
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We are all inside a giant black hole anyway...
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There has been experiments where negative mass has been created. Gravity is proportional to mass and distance an object is appart from another mass. In the case of negative mass this means it has negative gravity aka antigravity properties and this requires no changes to standard physics. This further supports the hypothetical possibility of a warp drive.
https://m.phys.org/news/2017-04-physicists-negative-mass.html

I also should make a major point our physics doesn't work without some hypothetical things like dark matter and dark energy or alternatively dark fluid otherwise it requires a rewrite of the laws of physics mainly in case of gravity because without these missing factors it just doesn't make sense to explain scientific observations and is wrong needing to be changed.
 
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Well If UFOs are real and aliens are real, then that should make us a little more optimistic about the future. Perhaps it really is possible to explore the stars.
But I guess I was born a bit too early for that Lol.
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Gravity is proportional to mass and distance an object is appart from another mass.


Newton's law of gravity was dismissed recently if I remember correctly which would mean that there might be a huge flaw in your theory as well. He was a genius and formulated it very rationally for his time though. Negative mass still sounds extremely peculiar though. As for a possible connection with the warp drive however - I'm not sure.

I also should make a major point our physics doesn't work without some hypothetical things like dark matter and dark energy or alternatively dark fluid otherwise it requires a rewrite of the laws of physics mainly in case of gravity because without these missing factors it just doesn't make sense to explain scientific observations and is wrong needing to be changed.


Isn't dark matter supposed to have regular gravitational interaction? But yes, hypotheses play a huge role sometimes. We also have quantum entanglement which suggest that the information in the quantum realm can travel faster than light.
 
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@keragamming It's not a belief from my perspective. It's knowledge or rather lack of it. If I don't have knowledge about something or at least I cannot get it, there are no signs of anything like that existing or even higher possibility of anything like that existing then I don't think such a thing exists at all until I'm proven wrong.
 
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This is old news and has been public information for a while IIRC. The most likely explanation is that it was some sort of drone test done by a private company, a foreign government, or possibly even the US government.

The US may have been fooling around with classified technology but then decided that they wanted to scrap the project after all, and because the technology is still classified and can be used for future projects, obviously they are not going to come out and publicly identify why the craft moved the way it did. And the reason why it was in the airspace of navy pilots could be because either the government wanted to test human reactions to it or simply because the government forgot or could not coordinate with the ships operating out there (happens more often than you would think).

However, the possibility that it is an alien craft cannot completely be ruled out. One of the pilots who saw the craft actually said that he doesn't believe that it is from this planet, though I don't know of anyone else in the government or military who has confirmed that belief. Regardless, navy pilots are highly-trained professionals, and they wouldn't just throw out a statement like that for no reason.


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I thought everyone already know this.
 
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I want them to probe me
 
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Yeah i sure hope they're real. The universe is a really boring place if humans are the only intelligent life in it.
 
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Damn right they're real.

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In December 2017 and March 2018, The New York Times released three allegedly declassified videos showing U.S. Navy pilots trailing some unidentified flying objects. The mystery crafts moved at hypersonic speeds, flying tens of thousands of feet above the Earth with no distinct wings, engines or visible signs of propulsion whatsoever. Were they flying saucers? Incredibly high-tech drones? The pilots had no idea — and, according to a recent statement from Navy intelligence officials, neither does the U.S. government.

In a statement delivered to the intelligence news website The Black Vault, Joseph Gradisher, a spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, announced that the Navy officially considers the craft in these three videos "unidentified aerial phenomena." That means that the eerie videos are authentic — and that the objects, which were detected in restricted military training airspaces in 2004 and 2015, were not supposed to be there. The objects still have not been successfully identified as any known type of aircraft.

The UFO footage was also never cleared for public release, Gradisher told The Black Vault — meaning these are three unidentified phenomena you were never supposed to know about.

https://www.livescience.com/navy-ufo-videos-authentic-classified.html

oh shit we need that Trumps space force to fight against illegal aliens in space lol

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the 3 videos can be seen here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1802197&show=0#msg58383880

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as @CondemneDio said
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences
so be careful about the aliens or illuminati causes of this UFOs like its ok to speculate about them but do not take them seriously for now





I believe there is life out there besides our own planet. But I think any being traveling to this planet wouldn't be seen by the human eye. Due the technological advancements needed to travel from one planet with life to another planet with life space travel would not be their only advancement. They would also have advance active or adaptive camouflage as well. Meaning they could travel in space without being seen by anyone. After all they wouldn't want to fly by a planet with hostile inhabitants and be shot down or pursued. They would also have advance drone and telescope technology meaning they probably wouldn't even need to step foot off their planet to go check out other planets. There is also the fact what might be suitable for life on earth with its gravity,temperatures, atmospheric preasure and air composition wouldn't necessarily be suitable for extraterrestrial life.
 
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