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Sep 13, 7:28 AM
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Nezukoisangel said:
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I never disagreed with someone that much.

Vinland Saga already developed characters more than entire Aot's s1.

Animation is done decently, you're probably expecting Demon slayer quality.

So you're telling " a kid trying to kill a goatee guy" is gonna be the entire story? There's more to that. Aot's first 8 eps were literally: "Titans attack, kill the titans" Vinland Saga is more than just a revenge story, that's why people consider it a masterpiece.

Not every anime needs mystery to be good. Vinland saga is about the journey, not the destination.



Although I disagree with what the person said, like completely because VS is so great actually but you both can't really draw a comparison in that way, AoT was portrayed as a survival postapoclypse show, there's no time for developing too much for the characters other than their decisions and actions to survive at that moment,
I know VS also shows how people are trying to survive the wars and that horrible reality but it's not like a very current danger like the Titans and they need to make a move as fast as possible.

In VS we follow how a kid reacts to his father's death in the Vikings era which was a dark era, and we interestingly want to see how he grows and what's the outcomes, it's like a philosophy's journey that makes us learn the different ideologies of the characters and I think it's really unique.

Each story acts upon its own plot, the characters development happens according to the plot too.

And even VS's author is a huge fan of SnK's manga and buy all the releases.

There's no need for such a toxic comparison.


Indeed, both authors have great respect for each other. It shows from when people thought Askeladd said a Kenny quote but, Kenny actually said an Askeladd quote. I thought that was an awesome homage to Vinland the first time I saw it in AOT.
 
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Not reaching Attack on Titan levels of popularity?? Are you ok? Is everything alright?

The answer is obvious! Vinland Saga is simply not good. Attack on Titan is good and can appeal to a far wider audience. AoT has more realistic characters despite a fantasy setting, far better cg, better music, and an interesting plot full of mystery. When I watch AoT its because I have lots of things I'm curious about and want to fund out!! Vinland on the other hand has no stakes, no questions, and nothing remotely interesting about it to speak of!! The only conflict established in 9 episodes is that OP kid wants to kill goatee guy but won't do it in his sleep because he wants to honor his father (let it be noted that truly honoring his father would mean giving up on the cycle of violence and forgoing this sort of revenge plot.) The animation sucks, the plot sucks, and the characters suck. I was excited for Vinland ever since it was announced! I thought it was a show with seemingly endless potential. Now I tell my friends not to bother watching it unless they're still operating on a Dragon Ball/ Bleach/ Prince of Stride level of horribly childish anime taste.

Please don't ask silly questions like this. If you actually think Vinland deserves to be one of the most popular anime of all time alongside AoT... Well there's really nothing I can do for you except laugh.

Can't say I agree with any of this. Though we have opinions, understa-

CorkMars said:

I truly cannot believe people praise this shit. Some even compare it to berserk. FOOLS

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Fools

Oh sorry, I almost acknowledged your opinion there for a second.


Look I'm here articulating why the series isn't getting as much attention as AoT. I'm answering the question that the forum asks. I really don't care that you're asshurt about it.
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Damn fanboys are really blind these days. Regardless of how good or bad u think this show may be, the premise is just not appealing enough to hit AoT level of mainsteam. Y'all spamming 2deep4u memes won't change that.

Also 100% agree with this:
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angelk99 said:

The characters are great so far.


Ylva is the only good character but she isn't even relevant, the rest of the cast sucks.
 
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NotFred said:
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Not reaching Attack on Titan levels of popularity?? Are you ok? Is everything alright?

The answer is obvious! Vinland Saga is simply not good. Attack on Titan is good and can appeal to a far wider audience. AoT has more realistic characters despite a fantasy setting, far better cg, better music, and an interesting plot full of mystery. When I watch AoT its because I have lots of things I'm curious about and want to fund out!! Vinland on the other hand has no stakes, no questions, and nothing remotely interesting about it to speak of!! The only conflict established in 9 episodes is that OP kid wants to kill goatee guy but won't do it in his sleep because he wants to honor his father (let it be noted that truly honoring his father would mean giving up on the cycle of violence and forgoing this sort of revenge plot.) The animation sucks, the plot sucks, and the characters suck. I was excited for Vinland ever since it was announced! I thought it was a show with seemingly endless potential. Now I tell my friends not to bother watching it unless they're still operating on a Dragon Ball/ Bleach/ Prince of Stride level of horribly childish anime taste.

Please don't ask silly questions like this. If you actually think Vinland deserves to be one of the most popular anime of all time alongside AoT... Well there's really nothing I can do for you except laugh.

I never disagreed with someone that much.

Vinland Saga already developed characters more than entire Aot's s1.

Animation is done decently, you're probably expecting Demon slayer quality.

So you're telling " a kid trying to kill a goatee guy" is gonna be the entire story? There's more to that. Aot's first 8 eps were literally: "Titans attack, kill the titans" Vinland Saga is more than just a revenge story, that's why people consider it a masterpiece.

Not every anime needs mystery to be good. Vinland saga is about the journey, not the destination.


Actually I expected AoT quality animation. There doesn't have to be any mystery but there does have to be a reason to keep watching. The only thing Vinland has is manga readers promising it improves. The first 9 episodes didn't raise any questions for me. If they did for you I'm glad. I think you being a fan of Vinland is a great thing. What I'm doing in my response is bringing in a new voice in order to answer the question of this forum. I'm an average viewer. AoT offers a great deal more appeal to the average viewer than Vinland. The people who are enjoying Vinland aren't wrong for their opinions but nether are the people bashing it.
 
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Other reason is the type of story this is. It's slower and doesn't have that many "moments". Many anime that explode in popularity usually have some "big moment" happening, like big plot twist or some epic action sequence for example, which leads to it being shared and hyped all over the internet and being spread by the word of mouth at a rapid pace. Think of Demon Slayer episode 19 or Attack on Titan episode 1 for example . Vinland Saga didn't have anything like that so far and is simply a slower story that takes its time to build itself and its characters.


I think you've summed it up the best. I think what's not helping Vinland Saga's case, is that the anime doesn't look that great; the CG is noticeably bad, the animation is typical still-frame anime (except for a few fight scenes). What I've noticed is that nearly every popular anime I've heard/seen (with few exceptions like FMA and SAO) have very distinct art styles.
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CorkMars said:
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I never disagreed with someone that much.

Vinland Saga already developed characters more than entire Aot's s1.

Animation is done decently, you're probably expecting Demon slayer quality.

So you're telling " a kid trying to kill a goatee guy" is gonna be the entire story? There's more to that. Aot's first 8 eps were literally: "Titans attack, kill the titans" Vinland Saga is more than just a revenge story, that's why people consider it a masterpiece.

Not every anime needs mystery to be good. Vinland saga is about the journey, not the destination.


Actually I expected AoT quality animation. There doesn't have to be any mystery but there does have to be a reason to keep watching. The only thing Vinland has is manga readers promising it improves. The first 9 episodes didn't raise any questions for me. If they did for you I'm glad. I think you being a fan of Vinland is a great thing. What I'm doing in my response is bringing in a new voice in order to answer the question of this forum. I'm an average viewer. AoT offers a great deal more appeal to the average viewer than Vinland. The people who are enjoying Vinland aren't wrong for their opinions but nether are the people bashing it.


I understand what you mean. I mean the adaptation isn't perfect and Vinland saga is one of those animes that has a pretty meh beginning.

First 20 chapters are imo the weakest chapters in the whole manga, same could be said about the anime.

Personally, I would recommend to put this anime on hold and wait till all episodes will be released. Or read the manga instead. Except if ya have patience.

If ya ask me:
Will it be as popular as Aot?
- Doubt it

Do's it deserve to be popular as Aot?
- Yes, if the anime continues to be like episode 9, then it definitely deserves it.
 
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NotFred said:
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Actually I expected AoT quality animation. There doesn't have to be any mystery but there does have to be a reason to keep watching. The only thing Vinland has is manga readers promising it improves. The first 9 episodes didn't raise any questions for me. If they did for you I'm glad. I think you being a fan of Vinland is a great thing. What I'm doing in my response is bringing in a new voice in order to answer the question of this forum. I'm an average viewer. AoT offers a great deal more appeal to the average viewer than Vinland. The people who are enjoying Vinland aren't wrong for their opinions but nether are the people bashing it.


I understand what you mean. I mean the adaptation isn't perfect and Vinland saga is one of those animes that has a pretty meh beginning.

First 20 chapters are imo the weakest chapters in the whole manga, same could be said about the anime.

Personally, I would recommend to put this anime on hold and wait till all episodes will be released. Or read the manga instead. Except if ya have patience.

If ya ask me:
Will it be as popular as Aot?
- Doubt it

Do's it deserve to be popular as Aot?
- Yes, if the anime continues to be like episode 9, then it definitely deserves it.


I can respect that. Maybe I will take that advice. Thanks m8
 
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Nezukoisangel said:
NotFred said:

I never disagreed with someone that much.

Vinland Saga already developed characters more than entire Aot's s1.

Animation is done decently, you're probably expecting Demon slayer quality.

So you're telling " a kid trying to kill a goatee guy" is gonna be the entire story? There's more to that. Aot's first 8 eps were literally: "Titans attack, kill the titans" Vinland Saga is more than just a revenge story, that's why people consider it a masterpiece.

Not every anime needs mystery to be good. Vinland saga is about the journey, not the destination.



Although I disagree with what the person said, like completely because VS is so great actually but you both can't really draw a comparison in that way, AoT was portrayed as a survival postapoclypse show, there's no time for developing too much for the characters other than their decisions and actions to survive at that moment,
I know VS also shows how people are trying to survive the wars and that horrible reality but it's not like a very current danger like the Titans and they need to make a move as fast as possible.

In VS we follow how a kid reacts to his father's death in the Vikings era which was a dark era, and we interestingly want to see how he grows and what's the outcomes, it's like a philosophy's journey that makes us learn the different ideologies of the characters and I think it's really unique.

Each story acts upon its own plot, the characters development happens according to the plot too.

And even VS's author is a huge fan of SnK's manga and buy all the releases.

There's no need for such a toxic comparison.


THIS is the comment I was looking for. Comparing AoT with Vinland Saga is just ridiculous. Both shows are great in his own way.
 
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Other reason is the type of story this is. It's slower and doesn't have that many "moments". Many anime that explode in popularity usually have some "big moment" happening, like big plot twist or some epic action sequence for example, which leads to it being shared and hyped all over the internet and being spread by the word of mouth at a rapid pace. Think of Demon Slayer episode 19 or Attack on Titan episode 1 for example . Vinland Saga didn't have anything like that so far and is simply a slower story that takes its time to build itself and its characters.


I think you've summed it up the best. I think what's not helping Vinland Saga's case, is that the anime doesn't look that great; the CG is noticeably bad, the animation is typical still-frame anime (except for a few fight scenes). What I've noticed is that nearly every popular anime I've heard/seen (with few exceptions like FMA and SAO) have very distinct art styles.


While I wouldn't say CG is great, I also can't say it's that bad. At least not that bad to deter potential viewers. I'd say the way they utilized it so far is good.
I personally haven't been bothered by it so far nor have I seen that many people who were driven away by it. Story takes place in such a setting where it's either CG or billion still frames. Animating something like battles and other similar scenes with big number of people moving without any use of CG would be nothing but a miracle for two cour TV anime. Though quality of the models could've definitely been better.

I also wouldn't agree that it doesn't look that great. Sure, animation is not on the levels of B: The Beginning or One Punch Man or whatever but it's perfectly more than serviceable and definitely above many seasonal anime. There were many non-action cuts that were given big amount of attention when animating (i.e bucket shot n the first episode). I'd say most of its downtime moments are definitely better than Attack on Titan for example where in most non-action cuts characters are just standing and flapping their mouths with almost none character acting. I'm not saying Vinland has big amount of character acting, but I'd say it has more than many anime.

Can't agree with art style not being distinct, I think it is distinct more than enough. Though it might not be distinct in a way that attracts wider audiences. How many anime have this realistic and detailed character designs? Character designs in the show are extremely detailed if you look closer. They are going to such lengths as even showing the gaps between teeth in in-between frames, along with other small details. Even character designer and director said how worried they are if they could keep up with all the details in designs. Not only are designs detailed but also extremely varied. Not only character designs, but also prop and setting designs. Also background art is downright beautiful.
I'd definitely say art style is distinct, but yeah, maybe not in a way that attracts that many people.
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I haven't even read the whole thread but I just need to put a single thing out there. A lot of people criticize VS for being a "historical" or "realistic" anime but then also having shounen-like superpowers. I too was rankled by this at first even as a manga reader. Then I thought about it a lot. Maybe there's a reason beyond pandering to the action crowd. I thought about all the folklore stories I've read and it instantly clicked. In those stories, people do ridiculous stuff ALL THE TIME. Princes go out and fight whole armies singlehandedly. Knights will fell a tree with their swords. A guy in the Aeneid punches an ox to death with a single stroke. Lancelot kills a poor merchant with one blow. Roland takes on a whole army. These "superpowers" come up all the time in these old stories. So I take the show the same way. Over the years, in retelling and passing into legend, of course he jumped from boat to boat with ease. Of course he chopped down a mast and four men at once. Of course he takes on half an army. That's just what happens in legends. The way the action is framed makes a lot more sense to me now. The conceit is it's taking the "passed into legend" stuff as real.
 
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I haven't even read the whole thread but I just need to put a single thing out there. A lot of people criticize VS for being a "historical" or "realistic" anime but then also having shounen-like superpowers. I too was rankled by this at first even as a manga reader. Then I thought about it a lot. Maybe there's a reason beyond pandering to the action crowd. I thought about all the folklore stories I've read and it instantly clicked. In those stories, people do ridiculous stuff ALL THE TIME. Princes go out and fight whole armies singlehandedly. Knights will fell a tree with their swords. A guy in the Aeneid punches an ox to death with a single stroke. Lancelot kills a poor merchant with one blow. Roland takes on a whole army. These "superpowers" come up all the time in these old stories. So I take the show the same way. Over the years, in retelling and passing into legend, of course he jumped from boat to boat with ease. Of course he chopped down a mast and four men at once. Of course he takes on half an army. That's just what happens in legends. The way the action is framed makes a lot more sense to me now. The conceit is it's taking the "passed into legend" stuff as real.


It seems to follow in vein of the Icelandic Sagas. Some are historically accurate with historical figures & deeds that match other records. Some are of historical figures who go on travels that are confirmed, but exaggerated with fights against mythological creatures. And some sagas are of men of dubious existence whose deeds are likely an amalgamation of a number of actual historical figures.
 
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Although I disagree with what the person said, like completely because VS is so great actually but you both can't really draw a comparison in that way, AoT was portrayed as a survival postapoclypse show, there's no time for developing too much for the characters other than their decisions and actions to survive at that moment,
I know VS also shows how people are trying to survive the wars and that horrible reality but it's not like a very current danger like the Titans and they need to make a move as fast as possible.

In VS we follow how a kid reacts to his father's death in the Vikings era which was a dark era, and we interestingly want to see how he grows and what's the outcomes, it's like a philosophy's journey that makes us learn the different ideologies of the characters and I think it's really unique.

Each story acts upon its own plot, the characters development happens according to the plot too.

And even VS's author is a huge fan of SnK's manga and buy all the releases.

There's no need for such a toxic comparison.


Indeed, both authors have great respect for each other. It shows from when people thought Askeladd said a Kenny quote but, Kenny actually said an Askeladd quote. I thought that was an awesome homage to Vinland the first time I saw it in AOT.


They should check out when VS's manga came lol, even the ocean thing with Thorfinn aka Armin :D


And yeah, it was a great homage especially how Isayama put it, it was way more impactful and emotional, the whole thing of being a slave to something was epic in Kenny's scene that it became one of those memorable scenes.
 
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Damn fanboys are really blind these days. Regardless of how good or bad u think this show may be, the premise is just not appealing enough to hit AoT level of mainsteam. Y'all spamming 2deep4u memes won't change that.

Also 100% agree with this:
Roevhaal said:


Ylva is the only good character but she isn't even relevant, the rest of the cast sucks.


Okay anyone who seriously believes in this & not as a jest, I pray for your mental health, I really do.
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I feel like the average anime fan is far more engrossed by basic adventure stories that contain some form of superpower involved (e.g. Naruto, BnHA, SnK) not that there's anything wrong with that. Personally, Vinland Saga comes off as far more complex in its story in that it emphasises historical, philosophical and growth related aspects with the occasional fight scene here and there. It's much more grounded in reality, basically and therefore comes across as less appealing to the standard viewer.

 
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Slimcoder said:
vhagar8 said:
Damn fanboys are really blind these days. Regardless of how good or bad u think this show may be, the premise is just not appealing enough to hit AoT level of mainsteam. Y'all spamming 2deep4u memes won't change that.

Also 100% agree with this:


Okay anyone who seriously believes in this & not as a jest, I pray for your mental health, I really do.


Can you explain why the characters are good then? all characters are one dimensional, Ylva is the only character with greater depth than a puddle of water.
 
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I feel like the average anime fan is far more engrossed by basic adventure stories that contain some form of superpower involved (e.g. Naruto, BnHA, SnK) not that there's anything wrong with that. Personally, Vinland Saga comes off as far more complex in its story in that it emphasises historical, philosophical and growth related aspects with the occasional fight scene here and there. It's much more grounded in reality, basically and therefore comes across as less appealing to the standard viewer.



How does leaping 20 meters into the air and throwing 5 ton boulders not count as super powers?
 
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Roevhaal said:
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Okay anyone who seriously believes in this & not as a jest, I pray for your mental health, I really do.


Can you explain why the characters are good then? all characters are one dimensional, Ylva is the only character with greater depth than a puddle of water.


So a puddle of water then because Ylva has no more greater depth than most of the characters in this show.

EThat's without getting into the fact that Askeladd is already a multi-facteed character. He's a mercenary with some standards of honor who does not share in the revelry the rest of his viking comrades have for battle & has a growing attachment to Thorfinn.

Even then the arrival of Canute which should begin around episode 10 is when the character interactions start becoming more & more complex.
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That's without getting into the fact that Askeladd is already a multi-facteed character. He's a mercenary with some standards of honor who does not share in the revelry the rest of his viking comrades have for battle & has a growing attachment to Thorfinn.


wow, such depth, this one character has standards of honor despite being a mercenary. only 9 episodes in and we already have such deep complex characters. Don't make me laugh.
 
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Roevhaal said:
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That's without getting into the fact that Askeladd is already a multi-facteed character. He's a mercenary with some standards of honor who does not share in the revelry the rest of his viking comrades have for battle & has a growing attachment to Thorfinn.


wow, such depth, this one character has standards of honor despite being a mercenary. only 9 episodes in and we already have such deep complex characters. Don't make me laugh.


So? Its a slow-burn of a show. Sure the pacing is a bit glacial but eh but that's the fault of the anime-only episodes. No show has "deep complex characters" in its 1st cour unless its only supposed to go for 12 episodes. Everyone starts out simple.

Main characters are set-up, their relationships & motives are defined. All that's left is for the plot to begin and set them on the whirlwind adventures which is right around the corner.
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wow, such depth, this one character has standards of honor despite being a mercenary. only 9 episodes in and we already have such deep complex characters. Don't make me laugh.


So? Its a slow-burn of a show. Sure the pacing is a bit glacial but eh but that's the fault of the anime-only episodes. No show has "deep complex characters" in its 1st cour unless its only supposed to go for 12 episodes. Everyone starts out simple.

Main characters are set-up, their relationships & motives are defined. All that's left is for the plot to begin and set them on the whirlwind adventures which is right around the corner.


This coment chain started because someone claimed that the characters were ''great thus far'' though, I have no idea about what's to come.
 
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So? Its a slow-burn of a show. Sure the pacing is a bit glacial but eh but that's the fault of the anime-only episodes. No show has "deep complex characters" in its 1st cour unless its only supposed to go for 12 episodes. Everyone starts out simple.

Main characters are set-up, their relationships & motives are defined. All that's left is for the plot to begin and set them on the whirlwind adventures which is right around the corner.


This coment chain started because someone claimed that the characters were ''great thus far'' though, I have no idea about what's to come.


Well its not exactly a false statement. None of them are particularly badly written characters & their actors are turning in well-done performances to make them suitably entertaining.
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eh... no... the actors are doing a solid job as always but the characters are terrible and far from entertaining, in 9 episodes all we've seen in form of not being terrible characters is seing how Ylva deals with loss.
 
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So no problem at all then.

Good.
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I feel like the average anime fan is far more engrossed by basic adventure stories that contain some form of superpower involved (e.g. Naruto, BnHA, SnK) not that there's anything wrong with that. Personally, Vinland Saga comes off as far more complex in its story in that it emphasises historical, philosophical and growth related aspects with the occasional fight scene here and there. It's much more grounded in reality, basically and therefore comes across as less appealing to the standard viewer.



I have no problem with this part that I mark in bold, this is certainly true not only for anime fans but for movies and tv series fans as well, having some type of super power in any series peaks an audience interest more, than say a detective series, the general public is looking for something that is out of this world, something that is not the norm and it can run their imagination wild, which is why Marvel and DC is so popular.

Now I disagree with the rest of your sentence, about vinland saga story is more complex and grounded, I think snk and naruto story is far more complex than vinland saga and they are just as grounded to reality like vinland saga, both snk and naruto has all those elements you mention and more, not because their is super power element in it, doesn't stop it from being grounded.

From the 50 chapters I have read, vinland saga strength is more for its characters growth and development than story, it has the typical historical stories you would see in any historical anime or tv series, its easy to follow and enjoy.

Don't take this the wrong way as I have given the manga a 8/10, I came in expecting it to be a certain type of series and that is what I got.

At the end of the day, these are two different series going for different things.
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I feel like the average anime fan is far more engrossed by basic adventure stories that contain some form of superpower involved (e.g. Naruto, BnHA, SnK) not that there's anything wrong with that. Personally, Vinland Saga comes off as far more complex in its story in that it emphasises historical, philosophical and growth related aspects with the occasional fight scene here and there. It's much more grounded in reality, basically and therefore comes across as less appealing to the standard viewer.



I have no problem with this part that I mark in bold, this is certainly true not only for anime fans but for movies and tv series fans as well, having some type of super power in any series peaks an audience interest more, than say a detective series, the general public is looking for something that is out of this world, something that is not the norm and it can run their imagination wild, which is why Marvel and DC is so popular.

Now I disagree with the rest of your sentence, about vinland saga story is more complex and grounded, I think snk and naruto story is far more complex than vinland saga and they are just as grounded to reality like vinland saga, both snk and naruto has all those elements you mention and more, not because their is super power element in it, doesn't stop it from being grounded.

From the 50 chapters I have read, vinland saga strength is more for its characters growth and development than story, it has the typical historical stories you would see in any historical anime or tv series, its easy to follow and enjoy.

Don't take this the wrong way as I have given the manga a 8/10, I came in expecting it to be a certain type of series and that is what I got.

At the end of the day, these are two different series going for different things.

You bring up some good points. I think 'complex' was the wrong word, I feel as though the historical aspects of the show are a lot less enticing to viewers whereas learning about the Shinobi or Titan world is. I'd still argue against the grounded aspect. Whilst most of the stuff that happens in Naruto/SnK can be justified within their respective stories there are aspects that don't feel grounded to me. Examples; Naruto bringing Guy back to life and Armin surviving that fall against the Colossal titan. You could maybe justify these situations using the abilities within the stories but they're kinda like "what?" moments to me.
I think Vinland Saga handles the events in its reality a lot more logically and feels like the rules within its story are always followed is basically what I'm getting at. Granted, it's very early to make this point so take it with a grain of salt hahaha.
 
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I feel like the average anime fan is far more engrossed by basic adventure stories that contain some form of superpower involved (e.g. Naruto, BnHA, SnK) not that there's anything wrong with that. Personally, Vinland Saga comes off as far more complex in its story in that it emphasises historical, philosophical and growth related aspects with the occasional fight scene here and there. It's much more grounded in reality, basically and therefore comes across as less appealing to the standard viewer.



How does leaping 20 meters into the air and throwing 5 ton boulders not count as super powers?
That's fucking lightweight you soyboy. You've never lifted 5 ton boulders before?
 
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eh... no... the actors are doing a solid job as always but the characters are terrible and far from entertaining, in 9 episodes all we've seen in form of not being terrible characters is seing how Ylva deals with loss.


If you really think the character is that terrible, read it carefully, or just wait if you don't want to get spoiled.

 
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I think it is because of the Viking's setting. To be honest it is not one of my favorite settings - I prefer the later medieval era (which isn't even middle ages anymore 1600-1800 or something like that) and fantasy-like stuff with buildings and tech level looking like from that era.

Now sadly we have - because most people prefer it - bad stuff like that ... meaning Isekai + your usual annoying Isekai hero + females (harem-like).

Anything "better" than that is less popular. Most of the better fantasy in medieva-like setting (non-isekai) also did not get sequels and only the bad stuff.

(Well at least that is my opinion. For a lot of people the other stuff seems to be "better".)

Look at that Shield Hero Anime (which I dropped) - it also has "only" about 400k despite being very popular in the forums.

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I bet it will be harder next season ... tons of competition. I have already about 6 sequels that I want to watch for sure. (Okay half of them not that good but I still want to know how the story continues.) With Vinland Saga continuing there won't be much room for other (new) stuff to pick up - unless I tune down the time I want to spent with gaming (which I just decided to increase and watching less anime).

I doubt a lot more will pick this up next season. Maybe when it is finished. When sequel gets announced. (Manga seems to have tons of material for more seasons with this pacing I heard.)
 
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The characters are great so far.


Ylva is the only good character but she isn't even relevant, the rest of the cast sucks.
this is a troll comment.
 
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eh... no... the actors are doing a solid job as always but the characters are terrible and far from entertaining, in 9 episodes all we've seen in form of not being terrible characters is seing how Ylva deals with loss.
your joking, did you see what happened to thorfin and how is character changed in those episodes.
 
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I feel like the average anime fan is far more engrossed by basic adventure stories that contain some form of superpower involved (e.g. Naruto, BnHA, SnK) not that there's anything wrong with that. Personally, Vinland Saga comes off as far more complex in its story in that it emphasises historical, philosophical and growth related aspects with the occasional fight scene here and there. It's much more grounded in reality, basically and therefore comes across as less appealing to the standard viewer.



I have no problem with this part that I mark in bold, this is certainly true not only for anime fans but for movies and tv series fans as well, having some type of super power in any series peaks an audience interest more, than say a detective series, the general public is looking for something that is out of this world, something that is not the norm and it can run their imagination wild, which is why Marvel and DC is so popular.

Now I disagree with the rest of your sentence, about vinland saga story is more complex and grounded, I think snk and naruto story is far more complex than vinland saga and they are just as grounded to reality like vinland saga, both snk and naruto has all those elements you mention and more, not because their is super power element in it, doesn't stop it from being grounded.

From the 50 chapters I have read, vinland saga strength is more for its characters growth and development than story, it has the typical historical stories you would see in any historical anime or tv series, its easy to follow and enjoy.

Don't take this the wrong way as I have given the manga a 8/10, I came in expecting it to be a certain type of series and that is what I got.

At the end of the day, these are two different series going for different things.
I think the characters in the first 50 chapters in vinland saga are more complex than the ones in the first 50 chapters in Naruto and attack on Titan, you have canute, the priest , the caretaker, askeladd, Thors, Thorkell, thorfin and the king. All fleshed out and are more interesting than any characters in the the beginning of attack on Titan. Even the band of askeladd is complex.
 
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eh... no... the actors are doing a solid job as always but the characters are terrible and far from entertaining, in 9 episodes all we've seen in form of not being terrible characters is seing how Ylva deals with loss.
your joking, did you see what happened to thorfin and how is character changed in those episodes.


I did, he went from Bratty Mc Bratt to Edge Mc Edgelord, truly spectacular character development right there.
 
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your joking, did you see what happened to thorfin and how is character changed in those episodes.


I did, he went from Bratty Mc Bratt to Edge Mc Edgelord, truly spectacular character development right there.
exactly that is spectacular character development, he went from a bratty kid that was naive and adventurous to one with an obsession with dealing with the guilt of his father death and basically be completely obsessed with revenge. It shows the impact that moment had on him and encapsulates his trauma as a result.
 
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I have no problem with this part that I mark in bold, this is certainly true not only for anime fans but for movies and tv series fans as well, having some type of super power in any series peaks an audience interest more, than say a detective series, the general public is looking for something that is out of this world, something that is not the norm and it can run their imagination wild, which is why Marvel and DC is so popular.

Now I disagree with the rest of your sentence, about vinland saga story is more complex and grounded, I think snk and naruto story is far more complex than vinland saga and they are just as grounded to reality like vinland saga, both snk and naruto has all those elements you mention and more, not because their is super power element in it, doesn't stop it from being grounded.

From the 50 chapters I have read, vinland saga strength is more for its characters growth and development than story, it has the typical historical stories you would see in any historical anime or tv series, its easy to follow and enjoy.

Don't take this the wrong way as I have given the manga a 8/10, I came in expecting it to be a certain type of series and that is what I got.

At the end of the day, these are two different series going for different things.
I think the characters in the first 50 chapters in vinland saga are more complex than the ones in the first 50 chapters in Naruto and attack on Titan, you have canute, the priest , the caretaker, askeladd, Thors, Thorkell, thorfin and the king. All fleshed out and are more interesting than any characters in the the beginning of attack on Titan. Even the band of askeladd is complex.


Of course they are, snk was mostly a plot driven series up to that point, snk doesn't got time to focus on characters that much when there is man eating giants attacking, that is why I said they are not comparable, one is plot driven the other is character driven. Vinland saga on the other hand doesn't really have a plot that needs to be resolve, the author can make 100 chapters of developing the characters and it wouldn't hurt the series, that can't work in snk settings.

Snk has now switch to more of a character driven story since most of the mystery has been reveal and that is why characters like Eren has gotten a tone of development, but before that it was mostly about the plot and finding out the truth of this world.
 
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Roevhaal said:
eh... no... the actors are doing a solid job as always but the characters are terrible and far from entertaining, in 9 episodes all we've seen in form of not being terrible characters is seing how Ylva deals with loss.


Are we watching the same show? I really don't see how you think this.
 
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keragamming said:
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I think the characters in the first 50 chapters in vinland saga are more complex than the ones in the first 50 chapters in Naruto and attack on Titan, you have canute, the priest , the caretaker, askeladd, Thors, Thorkell, thorfin and the king. All fleshed out and are more interesting than any characters in the the beginning of attack on Titan. Even the band of askeladd is complex.


Of course they are, snk was mostly a plot driven series up to that point, snk doesn't got time to focus on characters that much when there is man eating giants attacking, that is why I said they are not comparable, one is plot driven the other is character driven. Vinland saga on the other hand doesn't really have a plot that needs to be resolve, the author can make 100 chapters of developing the characters and it wouldn't hurt the series, that can't work in snk settings.

Snk has now switch to more of a character driven story since most of the mystery has been reveal and that is why characters like Eren has gotten a tone of development, but before that it was mostly about the plot and finding out the truth of this world.
sure but the point still stands that the characters of vinland saga for that time were better than the characters of attack on Titan. Whether it's plot driven it's always fair to compare a series based on plot and characters. And based on what happens later it's debatable whether the plot of attack on titan is better than vinland, cause of the daring and powerful switch the series made.

And the characters of the first 50 chapters of attack on titan are still good, just not as good as vinland.
 
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Of course they are, snk was mostly a plot driven series up to that point, snk doesn't got time to focus on characters that much when there is man eating giants attacking, that is why I said they are not comparable, one is plot driven the other is character driven. Vinland saga on the other hand doesn't really have a plot that needs to be resolve, the author can make 100 chapters of developing the characters and it wouldn't hurt the series, that can't work in snk settings.

Snk has now switch to more of a character driven story since most of the mystery has been reveal and that is why characters like Eren has gotten a tone of development, but before that it was mostly about the plot and finding out the truth of this world.
sure but the point still stands that the characters of vinland saga for that time were better than the characters of attack on Titan. Whether it's plot driven it's always fair to compare a series based on plot and characters. And based on what happens later it's debatable whether the plot of attack on titan is better than vinland, cause of the daring and powerful switch the series made.

And the characters of the first 50 chapters of attack on titan are still good, just not as good as vinland.


I probably need to continue reading vinland saga, because the impression I got is that what comes after where I am at is the farm arc which is a character development arc, I didn't know that later on it starts to delve in the story. If you could hint to me exactly what its plot is going for that would be good.

But I would be surprise if there is anything deep or complex about its plot, I don't see a historical series having those types of plot without it having fantasy or science fiction elements to it, because those are generally the type of stories that have a really complex plot with plot twist and various elements interacting with each other. Also this isn't a disrespect to vinland saga, but a settings that sticks to reality for the most part without any supernatural element or science fiction element generally has a simple plot with the cast carrying the series.

It was never a debate for me when it comes to characters in snk as I know this isn't the strongest category when it comes to snk.
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I did, he went from Bratty Mc Bratt to Edge Mc Edgelord, truly spectacular character development right there.
exactly that is spectacular character development, he went from a bratty kid that was naive and adventurous to one with an obsession with dealing with the guilt of his father death and basically be completely obsessed with revenge. It shows the impact that moment had on him and encapsulates his trauma as a result.


If you like that then good for you, I just find his character cringy
 
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There were a lot of breaks in the show which lowered the hype early on. The show is also not a straight shonen like demon slayer and other shows airing right now. I think the show will be highly rated and fairly popular in the anime community overall but it will never be a big well known show like most popular shonens are.
 
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You're not going to get S1 AoT levels of hype with Vinland Saga. In fact, you aren't going to get it with 99% of any anime that's ever aired.

Both are also completely different as well, despite being animated by the same studio.

AoT's a dark fantasy action anime about a post-apocalyptic world supposedly over-run by giant monsters with the last of humanity contained within 3 concentric walls. That's a pretty unique and enticing premise to hook you. Not to mention it's 1st episode is generally considered to be one of a handful of truly great openers to a series.

Vinland Saga is a slow-burner, a historical action/drama and is far less frenetic throughout, focusing less on action and more on it's main character, and the relationships between the main cast throughout as Thorfinn journeys from an adolescent to an adult. It's been a solid start with a few excellent episodes, but you get the feeling there's still more to come before the season ends.

Having read the manga, as the series progresses it'll attract some fans, but it'll also lose some as well.


 
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There were a lot of breaks in the show which lowered the hype early on. The show is also not a straight shonen like demon slayer and other shows airing right now. I think the show will be highly rated and fairly popular in the anime community overall but it will never be a big well known show like most popular shonens are.


It has little for it to do with it being a shounen as tokyo ghoul became very popular and it is a seinen series, it wont be popular because historical series are not normally popular and I'm talking tv shows and movies as well, its just not a popular settings.
 
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keragamming said:
ACasualViewer said:
There were a lot of breaks in the show which lowered the hype early on. The show is also not a straight shonen like demon slayer and other shows airing right now. I think the show will be highly rated and fairly popular in the anime community overall but it will never be a big well known show like most popular shonens are.


It has little for it to do with it being a shounen as tokyo ghoul became very popular and it is a seinen series, it wont be popular because historical series are not normally popular and I'm talking tv shows and movies as well, its just not a popular settings.

It does share its "shounen" action sequences with Tokyo Ghoul. Just as bad.
Did the rating fall again? I will write it down to check next week, since this thread, for some reason, is still going:8,56
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keragamming said:
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sure but the point still stands that the characters of vinland saga for that time were better than the characters of attack on Titan. Whether it's plot driven it's always fair to compare a series based on plot and characters. And based on what happens later it's debatable whether the plot of attack on titan is better than vinland, cause of the daring and powerful switch the series made.

And the characters of the first 50 chapters of attack on titan are still good, just not as good as vinland.


I probably need to continue reading vinland saga, because the impression I got is that what comes after where I am at is the farm arc which is a character development arc, I didn't know that later on it starts to delve in the story. If you could hint to me exactly what its plot is going for that would be good.

But I would be surprise if there is anything deep or complex about its plot, I don't see a historical series having those types of plot without it having fantasy or science fiction elements to it, because those are generally the type of stories that have a really complex plot with plot twist and various elements interacting with each other. Also this isn't a disrespect to vinland saga, but a settings that sticks to reality for the most part without any supernatural element or science fiction element generally has a simple plot with the cast carrying the series.

It was never a debate for me when it comes to characters in snk as I know this isn't the strongest category when it comes to snk.
the character development for thorfin begins in that arc, but the stuff we get from the prologue does great things with the characters i mentioned.

The last part is understandable , I think just the plot for vinland saga is exceptional because of the unconventional direction it takes.

I think underappreciating the character writting SNK I think its the best in shounen with probably Hunter x Hunter ahead.
 
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exactly that is spectacular character development, he went from a bratty kid that was naive and adventurous to one with an obsession with dealing with the guilt of his father death and basically be completely obsessed with revenge. It shows the impact that moment had on him and encapsulates his trauma as a result.


If you like that then good for you, I just find his character cringy
so complex characters are cringe, I guess people have different taste.
 
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If you like that then good for you, I just find his character cringy
so complex characters are cringe, I guess people have different taste.
how the hell is he complex? all he did was to become edgelord to avenge his father, he's not complex at all
 
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Roevhaal said:
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so complex characters are cringe, I guess people have different taste.
how the hell is he complex? all he did was to become edgelord to avenge his father, he's not complex at all


I get how yoiu feel, I felt the same way when I read the manga, but at least, I read it because of Askeladd.

If a brat changed into edgelord is a good character, then Sasuke, Eren in the beginning of AoT, and any other edgy chars are great, but the fact is, they aren't. The only one who can manage this revenge thing are basically Guts from Berserk and of course, Thorfinn.

If you look Thorfinn as an edgelord, you will hate him, like I did. But a lot of people forgot about what his father told. He just becomes what his father afraid of, a killing machine. That's why he's a great character (or at least he has potential).

The thing about Thorfinn is, I like him a lot after a Farmland arc. The trantition from edgelord to a wise character is done right. His father's message is so important later on. I mean, you won't expect him to be always edgy and do a revenge, aren't you? The story itself is about Vinland, a land where there is no slave, violent, etc, and the one that supossed to find it is Thorfinn.

His character change from the meaning of death to the meaning of life. He just doesn't care anymore, what he really wants is a piece at that point.
 
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Nearly everyone that uses Amazon on a semi regular basis has Amazon prime.
People simply don't care about Vinland saga. It's a niche series in a niche medium.
 
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There were a lot of breaks in the show which lowered the hype early on. The show is also not a straight shonen like demon slayer and other shows airing right now. I think the show will be highly rated and fairly popular in the anime community overall but it will never be a big well known show like most popular shonens are.
Is Demon Slayer really good? I've kept it on-hold since the first episode because it didn't captivate me as much as Vinland Saga did, also partly because I'm a big fan of Wit Studio's art style and animation.
I just realized that all of my favorite characters, beside being stunningly beautiful, are also exceptionally skilled at killing. {×.×}
 
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ACasualViewer said:
There were a lot of breaks in the show which lowered the hype early on. The show is also not a straight shonen like demon slayer and other shows airing right now. I think the show will be highly rated and fairly popular in the anime community overall but it will never be a big well known show like most popular shonens are.
Is Demon Slayer really good? I've kept it on-hold since the first episode because it didn't captivate me as much as Vinland Saga did, also partly because I'm a big fan of Wit Studio's art style and animation.
If you can see the 5/5 %age in episode discussion then demon slayer's first episodes are low in 60's for 5/5 but it do increase later on.
 
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Is Demon Slayer really good? ...

Based on your anime list, I wouldn't say it's great by your standards. First 7 or so episodes are structured very poorly, the pacing seems off. Characters are very one-dimensional so far, they are quite hit or miss, depending on your tolerance to their quirks. It has some stunningly good shonen moments in the later episodes, however, so I would say it's the kind of anime you don't regret you've watched after a certain point (even though not everything about those moments makes sense, the artistic execution is on point).

I'm fairly confident to claim you would ultimately think that Vinland saga is a tier or two above the Demon Slayer, even if you saw the later. Both are audiovisually beautiful, though, Demon Slayer doesn't lack in that department.
 
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