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Sep 6, 11:11 AM

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Once I had a discussion about anime with a guy and after a while he tried to frame as a pedophile because my waifu, Kosaki Onodera, is 17 and I'm over 18. I defended myself saying that this waifu thing is sort of a joke, not meant to be taken seriously and I don't want to have sex with her, and I don't search for erotic fanart of her and so on. And most importantly she is fictional so at the end it doesn't matters at all. At the end he lost an argument because he had watched Boku no Pico, which is (animated) child pornography, and because of that he didn't have the right to accuse anyone of that.
(There's more to this story, but I'll focus just on it).

So I'm here to ask you :
Is/are your waifu(s)/husbando(s) of legal age?
Does it matter to you?

P.S. if you don't have a waifu/husbando, just ignore this thread.

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frame me* as a pedophile because [...].

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Being attracted to a 17 year old is not ever pedophilia, under no circumstances. Even if you fuck a 17yo in real life and it is illegal in your country (in many countries it would not even be illegal) it does not make you a pedophile. It can't, by definition.

Pedophilia measn attraction to [b]pre-pubescent[/i] children, which means before they hit puberty, which usually means 12 or younger. I wish people would stop thinking pedophilia means liking anyone who's legally underage, because it simply doesn't. Your whole argument is moot because it was based on a false premise and ignorance in the first place. While being attracted to older teenagers (16+) might not always be legal and often not socially accepted, it is not unnatural, it is not a mental illness, it is not pedophilia. You should have won that 'argument' right then and there when he started to misuse the word pedophilia because it exposes him as a retarded, uneducated fraud talking out of his ass.

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Sep 6, 11:22 AM

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No but neither am I, so I guess that's a next year me problem :).
So next year well...
 
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I nut to Nadeko and I deeply love her character arc on a thematical and sentimental level
 
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I like cute anime boys and I don't care what anyone says.
 
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No, they aren't of age, and it doesn't really matter to me necessarily. I personally more care about whether they act and or look like an adult. For example, when I look at a character like Sentou Isuzu I am going to be hard-pressed to think of her as being a 16 when she could easily be passed off as an adult with her design and personality. Which is the category most anime waifus fall into, so it really shouldn't be an issue most of the time.

Now if the character in question looked and acted like a child, that would certainly be suspicious, but very few people even admit to having waifus like that for that very reason. And the 300 loli vampire types do admittedly straddle the line of what's acceptable, and I frankly care which side of the line it is because no looks good when they have that debate.

TL;DR- No, Onodera is nothing like an actual child, so saying liking her is pedophilic is pretty dumb.
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On a more serious note, If you're atleast somewhat decent or respectable about it, ya know respect whamen. It should be considered fine.

Otherwise just pull this card.
 
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onodera seems more of a 13 than a 17 tbh.
 
Sep 6, 11:32 AM

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Husbandos yes, well mostly yes some might be 17 at start of series and 18+ later on and for some I don't think age has been defined or confirmed.

Waifus is bit different topic for me since I have waifus, but i'm also straight girl so it's not similar attraction. Difference between fave character and waifu is bit confusing with this, like i'm not sure if Homura is my waifu or fave or both, but i'm sure i'm not attracted of her ^^;

 
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but what if their age certificate is forged or fake?
 
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My waifu is a 15 yo expressionless human corpse.
Yes she's Ononoki Yotsugi
And I'm not a pedo.this is what pedophiles says about themselves
 
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petran79 said:
but what if their age certificate is forged or fake?

Could you please provide me examples.

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Vazka said:
onodera seems more of a 13 than a 17 tbh.

No she doesn't. If she did she would look exactly like her sister.

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She's 19 so we clear no FBI thank you.
 
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It's irrational to think that our laws apply to fictional characters who's characterizations are not bound by law or logic.

Age of consent laws are in place to protect youngsters who are not experienced/rational enough to make decisions, but anime often turns this around and more often than not the lolis and highschoolers tend to be more rational than the adults. So in anime the age of consent is anybody younger than 18.

Also, anime girls all look the same age.
 
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No and no

She is 15 or 16 depending on what point in the story we're talking about. I fail to see why I should somehow consider this a problem though

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My first husbando was almost 30, so I suppose they're legal lol. I don't really currently have any though, but if I had I'd probably look at the way they look and act rather than the number, since anime is notorious for being all over the place with ages. If they look and act like adults I might feel attracted, but if one of those two is missing I think it's creepy.

So for example I don't really have a problem with people pining for the characters in Kuroko no Basuke because they neither look (aside from maybe Kuroko) nor act like actual high schoolers, but I do object to 1000 years old lolis.
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My waifu is a demon/angel so she's not bound by human rules such as legal age (And no, she's not a fucking loli) but even if we were to go with human rules, she's 19 years old.
 
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Technically yes. Though it depends. F/SN Illya, which I like slightly more than her F/Prisma version, is 18 though. Most of the girls that I really like are legal, even if many of them are lolis at the same time. But overall I don't really care about my waifu's age, it's pretty useless characteristic for fictional character in this aspect.
 
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She's 280 years old with the looks of a woman in her mid-late twenties since she barely ages physically.
 
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My waifu is 14 but she looks like a grade schooler, but yeah, nothing changes my love for my one and only Hikaru (lol)
 
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I don't have one but what do you even care, it's a bloody moving drawing, not a real person.
 
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I don't know where to start with this. Pedophile means sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Sexual attraction to people in their teens has been normal for most of human history. Men especially are hardwired to favour youth. At a deep level we crave pure, fertile, virginal girls. Look at the prevelance of "teen" porn, how the word teen has been at the top of porn search queries since the birth of the internet. But, and I will fucking die on this hill, there is nothing wrong with that.

We live in an era, across the world but very much in the west, where the male sex drive is constantly demonized. There is this idea that because some men will seek out young girls and manipulate them in to having sex purely for their own gratification, or worse, unambiguously rape them, that these actions are a direct result of the male sex drive, rather than the result of severely troubled people lacking in empathy and human connection, allowing their sex drive to override basic human decency. Surely, we can appreciate and celebrate the beauty of youth, without causing harm? Otaku culture does this and it is a subculture originating from Japan - a country in which lolicon hentai is widespread (walk in to any Akiharaba basement and it's the first thing you see) but crime statistics are incredibly low. Children are safe in Japan, middle schoolers travel to and from school by themselves. It is a high trust society.

Of course, all this talk of real life issues should seem silly since we are talking about fictional characters drawn in an art style which, while it is based on real life and the characters take on ages which reflect real life age-based characteristics (both physical and mental), they are not real people. The way I always put it is this. If we accept that most men see young virginal girls as the peak of female sexuality, then it makes sense that they would be in to traits such as short height, narrow shoulders, young "cute" faces and personalities, small breasts etc. Anyone with a sound mind capable of seperating fiction from reality, should be able to enjoy fantastical exagerrations of these characteristics such as we see in anime all the time.

Of course the argument changes depending on whether we're talking about anime girls which resemble pubescent girls and proper lolicon featuring clearly pre-pubescent body types. It's a similar debate but with some nuanced differences. I still argue that it's all fine though. While it's not my preference, I can enjoy lolicon, but I don't see real life pre-pubescent girls in any kind of sexual way at all because I have a firewall called empathy, so my feelings for those real girls never develops beyond a platonic feeling of cuteness such as most adults feel towards adorable children. But lolicon has this tabboo, dangerous kind of eroticism to it which is interesting and different.

If I can enjoy lolicon while being a friendly, harmless member of society that poses no risk to anyone and doesn't harbour sexual thoughts towards pre-pubescent girls, then other people can too. This won't be the case for everyone, but then you get in to arguments about banning things to stop potential crime from a minority. What's that quote?

"Censorship is telling a man he can't eat steak because a baby can't chew it."

Thing is, babies will never be able to chew steak, but I like to think a world is possible where everyone who enjoys lolicon is like myself and the many other people that pose no threat to anyone and only contribute positively to society.

So that's a (actually rather brief) summation of my thoughts whenever people bring up to word pedophile with regards to anime girls.

My next problem is with the use of the term "legal age". The legal age at which I can have sex with someone in my country is 16. I think this is more than reasonable. You are on the internet, speaking with people from other cultures. Don't shove your puritanical, bullshit values on in my face. At 18 a person has been sexually capable and willing for on average around 6 years. Almost 10% of their life. It's a ridiculously high age. But age of consent is crazy concept in the first place. The idea that a one days a person is 17 then the next day is there birthday and it has gone from wrong to OK overnight is absurd.

Lastly, I'll actually answer OP's question. I don't have a single waifu really but my favourite anime girls (which I do think of sexually) are:
Yozora from Haganai (17).
Araragi Tsukihi from Monogatari (14).
Saber from Fate/stay Night (15 physically, mentally 26).
Saber from Fate/extra (mentally 30, physically unkown but likely 17 to early twenties).

None of them are "legal age" by your narrow, puritanical definition. And that's fine. I'm celebrating the natural beauty of youth. I can appreciate the beauty of a mountain without seeking to climb it myself one day.
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The closest thing I have to an anime waifu is Erza, and she's 19, so I'm safe.

Lolis I like are only for hugs and headpats. Not to waifu.
 
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This is definitely one heck of a trap topic.


 
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Clare (Claymore) would be a minor, but, it doesn't matter because she had sexual experience ever since she was a ... (I'm sorry for the cruel joke). In other words, Clare after timeskip is legal.
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In Germany? Yes, she would be.

In the American age of consent that people seem to treat as universal? Nope.

Do I care about America's prudish standards relative to almost every other country for every single aspect of social morals, including that their age of consent is a few years higher than almost every European country?

Nope.

The fact that there are still Europeans (discounting the goddamn English, I guess) who believe in the moral values of a country that started the practice of circumcising their children with the specific intent of discouraging things like masturbation is beyond me. America is one of the most sexually prudish countries outside of the Arabian Peninsula, for fuck's sake, and their values should be discarded and criticized, if anything.

Anglo-Saxon moral culture is a fucking plague upon the rest of the world, and we really need a goddamn cure for it already.
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Depends. Most of them started in their own series underage but I'm pretty sure Luffy and Haruka Nanase are legal now lol.
I honestly don't care that much, they are just drawings, but it's kinda weird. Specially when talking about lolis or shotas. I can see where people that are against it are coming from.
 
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My main waifu is married and has a child so she's good. The others? Still in highschool. But I can't help the fact that most artists draw their characters to be around 15 or 16 years of age.
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In sweden you can have sex at the age of 15.
And I heard you can have sex earlier if you want, but you need a kind of document for that. Where you have you'r parents signature.
If that's true, I can't say.

Well, if we talking wifu's my wifus are servants and ships from different kind of gacha games. What their age are, I have no clue. But based on how they look, they look alot older then 15, that's for sure.

But favorite character is Asuka woud not call her wifu, but she is something I "love" and wish her woud find happiness over anything in the world.

But woud not call her a wifu + even if I read doujinshi that is about Asuka, it's not like she have any feelings or anything remotely close to that.

If that makes me bad guy, then I'm a bad guy. I can live with that.

The only thing I think it's fucked up that Japan is releasing is thing similair to Shoujo Ramune. I rather not see things like that get released or even that MaL upload it.
 
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Hear me out. Right Now, no one can do shit neither to you nor to someone else. You could go and fap to kids on anime all the time and at most one'll say you're weird and that's it. One can even sue you for doing such but you'd win fairy easy because it's just "Fiction". As long you don't go and rape kids in real life, you'll be fine. Now, how old exactly you were when you talked to that person? Cause the diff is not that deep, tho. It's not you are like 50 years old and the girl is 15, to which still doesn't mean nothing. You are not a pedophile either way.

My waifu is 16 ( her first appearance) but by the end of the series she's like 25+ something, not sure. I'm talking about Shiki Ryougi.

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He's 16, but he's from Italy where age of consent is 14 so all gucci here FBI man 😎
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Except Rin, Misaka and Mayuri all my wives are of legal age,

Beatrice, 400 year old spirit;
Hachikuji Mayoi, 20+ year old ghost;
Oshino Shinobu, 500 year old vampire;
Tanya Degurechaff, an old man;
Aqua, a goddess;

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25 and 32, I think I'm good.
But yes it would bother me if they were [much] younger.
 
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I mean Nana is 14 in what I assume is earth years


But she is an alien so no clue what age they consider someone legal there on her planet
I personally don't really care since age of consent in my country is 15 so its close enough really
and when you've had a crush and attraction towards someone since you were 13 age don't matter in the grand scheme of things
 
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Yep, he's a century old humanoid plant that looks to be in his late 20s. :P

As for if it bothers me.... Well, I prefer otome games and CDs with adult characters since dating high school age guys makes me feel a little uncomfortable.
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Eren is 16 in the anime right now but is older and legal in the manga so hm, yes i guess..?
Kokichi's a hightschooler so he's likely a minor BUT... no age is conffirmed! And that ending made it possible his canon age is 18+ (doubt it but)



 
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Yep. My husbando is a 20-something year old NEET. He looks like a blob though. A very cute blob.


And it wouldn't really bother me whether a drawing was of legal age or not.
 
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Now, how old exactly you were when you talked to that person? Cause the diff is not that deep, tho. It's not you are like 50 years old and the girl is 15, to which still doesn't mean nothing. You are not a pedophile either way.

I was 19 at the time. We were discussing SAO, and I was arguing on why Asuna (my favorite character) was better than Sinon (his favorite character). I'm well-versed in SAO, read the novels, and I know a lot of information about it so I obviously had the upperhand. I was winning and he kept complaining about the fact that Asuna was "too waifu" and I argued that there was nothing wrong with that and many people obviously had Sinon as their waifu. Then some stuff happened (he was really worked up for no reason) then I talked about my waifu, Onodera and that if I were a girl I would have Ryuuji Takasu as my husbando, but he was 18 when I considered him but he googled him and found out that he was 17 at some points of the story and once again tried to frame me as a pedophile and this time also called me gay for considering marrying a (fictional) guy if I were a girl. But he previously had said that SAO was the worst anime ever (how original!) and I asked him if it was worse than Boku no Pico(, Pupa and Mars of Destruction) and he said yes meaning that he prefered a shotacon/homossexual porno over a series that didn't have such content and thus he didn't have the right to call me neither a pedophile nor gay.

He was so desperate because he lost the Asuna vs Sinon argument against me that once we were on a bus terminal he pointed at me and screamed "This guy is gay, he would consider marrying a guy" at the top of his lungs and I raised my voice and said "well, a fictional guy which is something impossible to do" and added "but he has watched child pornography" and them some people gathered around him wanting explanations for him. He tried to change the subject for it to be about me and my underaged waifu but he had to explain them my arguments to which nearly everyone agreed to but when the subject came back to him and the child pornography thing he just ran off and pretended that it didn't happen.

From this day onwards he wanted to argue over and over again about SAO and wouldn't let this subject die. This guy was really annoying, intrusive, rude and was way too into getting to know about my sexuality and sex life by asking indecent questions. I'm glad he's not part of my life anymore because he was a really bothersome person and someone who made me ashamed of being an otaku.

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Manaban said:


Anglo-Saxon moral culture is a fucking plague upon the rest of the world, and we really need a goddamn cure for it already.


Protestant religion and its offspring are actually the culprits for this.
a simple explanation:

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-arthistory/chapter/the-northern-renaissance/

All forms of Protestantism showed a degree of hostility to religious images, especially sculpture and large paintings, considering them forms of idol worship. After the early years of the Reformation, artists in Protestant areas painted far fewer religious subjects for public display, partly because religious art had long been associated with the Catholic Church. Although, there was a conscious effort to develop a Protestant iconography of Bible images in book illustrations and prints. During the early Reformation, some artists made paintings for churches that depicted the leaders of the Reformation in ways very similar to Catholic saints. Later, Protestant taste turned away from the display of religious scenes in churches, although some continued to be displayed in homes.

There was also a reaction against images from classical mythology, the other manifestation of the High Renaissance at the time. This brought about a style that was more directly related to accurately portraying the present times. For example, Bruegel’s Wedding Feast portrays a Flemish-peasant wedding dinner in a barn. It makes no reference to any religious, historical, or classical events, and merely gives insight into the everyday life of the Flemish peasant.

The Protestant Reformation induced a wave of iconoclasm, or the destruction of religious imagery, among the more radical evangelists. Protestant leaders, especially Huldrych Zwingli and John Calvin, actively eliminated imagery from their churches and regarded the great majority of religious images as idolatrous—even plain crosses. On the other hand, Martin Luther encouraged the display of a restricted range of religious imagery in churches. For the most part, however, Reformation iconoclasm resulted in a disappearance of religious figurative art, compared with the amount of secular pieces that emerged.


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but what if their age certificate is forged or fake?

Could you please provide me examples.


In imaginary characters , age can be manipulated or ignored at will by the author and the audiences.
What I think is more important is to instill characteristics of a young age in a character, instead of mentioning just an age number. Eg if they show part of the daily life, the feeling, worries, tumults and emotions of that age and the relationship with other characters, it becomes easier for age to play a role.
One reason usually ero loli productions try to nullyfy any of that sort to make the readers forget reality.
 
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probably not oof. it doesnt matter to me since i never ever lewd my waifus/husbandos !!
 
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I do have a waifu and husbando, some are of legal age, some are not and no it doesn't matter to me. Fiction is what makes it fair game, that applies to having sexual urges towards "Hermione Jean Grange" from Harry Potter's 1st and 2nd films. Because you are attracted to the fictional character, not necessarily the actor.
 
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I do have a waifu and husbando, some are of legal age, some are not and no it doesn't matter to me. Fiction is what makes it fair game, that applies to having sexual urges towards "Hermione Jean Grange" from Harry Potter's 1st and 2nd films. Because you are attracted to the fictional character, not necessarily the actor.

Please don't bring 3D trash into this discussion. Also Hairy Pudder is hot garbage.

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Legal age is 18 here, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe with at least 2 of the 4 female characters on my favorites. Possibly 3.
 
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My goddess Holo is at least 600 years old.
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It's all legal, main husbando is 26 :shrugs:
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Some of my husbandos are below 18 but above 14. It doesn't matter to me as long they're are above 14. And I would add: we men are hot from age 15 onwards.

In my case, I'm not a shotacon. And those people along with lolicons are creepy.
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Yeesh, the guy OP describes sounds like an absolute nightmare.

Depending on where you live, Romeo and Juliet laws might be in effect for a 19-year-old dude and a 17-year-old chick, so even taking waifus/husbandos too seriously, it might not even be illegal.

Though I will say my friend, who was 21 at the time, had a 15-year-old waifu for a bit, and I found that a tad weird (Chise from Mahoutsukai no Yome, but we're not gonna get into the fact that she's technically married to a dude who is centuries old anyway). (Also not gonna get into the fact that my friend is interested in a 17-year-old as a 22-year-old... maybe he just has a weird thing for younger girls e.e).

But, personally, I don't think I could have a husbando who is more than a couple years younger than me, same thing with husbandos. Which is why I have accepted that Yukimura will not, in fact, be my husbando forever, and I will have to eventually find a new one... ;-;


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All the male characters in my favourites are above 18 so I’m not a pedo.
 
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