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Mar 27, 2008 4:45 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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This is certainly one of the more slow-paced, atmospheric episodes of Evangelion. What did you all think of "Weaving a Story 2: oral stage"?
 
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Jun 12, 2008 7:07 PM
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To much unneeded fan service. And they were doing the naughty.
 
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Jun 12, 2008 8:58 PM
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sexeh, but good ep overall..
 
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Jul 31, 2008 9:27 PM

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Naughty it was... Also interesting that Shinj gets into contact with his mother's soul. Good ep.
 
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Aug 18, 2008 10:29 AM

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so, what's eva 01, really?
shinji saw his mother's soul... so... is she eva?
eva's head is ugly... mummy...
i almost lol'd at the musing around 8:00... it was so.. atmospheric... and so out of place xD
so, shinji wants a harem of asuka, misato and rei? and even his mother?!
and lastly.. sex?!
whoa.. they took it too far... kind of boring to see a still screen while hearing misato's screams and the thuds... =/
 
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Richard_Omega said:
so, what's eva 01, really?
shinji saw his mother's soul... so... is she eva?
eva's head is ugly... mummy...
i almost lol'd at the musing around 8:00... it was so.. atmospheric... and so out of place xD
so, shinji wants a harem of asuka, misato and rei? and even his mother?!
and lastly.. sex?!
whoa.. they took it too far... kind of boring to see a still screen while hearing misato's screams and the thuds... =/


Eva 1 is not his mother it only showed Shinji things he wanted.
As about the harem thing, he wants it to happen in some level since he is a teenage boy with thousand of strange thoughts passing through his mind especially sexual thoughts but still if it happen to him for real he would back down. We all have strange fantasies but it doesn't mean we want all of them to happen for real.
 
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Sep 2, 2008 6:26 AM

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Too much fanservice in this episode. We better start learning some truth about Eva's soon.

I can't blame Shinji for wanting a harem.
 
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Oct 22, 2008 4:30 AM

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Fanservice episode :P Still good though.
 
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Nov 25, 2008 8:34 PM
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The harem scene was weird like he wants all 3 of them? jeez
Eva in bandages was weird....that one eye...just looking at you o-o...
That sex scene was too long at the end...very slow episode ;-;
 
Dec 2, 2008 2:54 AM

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meh. ok episode
the end wasn't necessary.....
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Jan 5, 2009 9:53 PM

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Lol, Shinji was fantasizing; I suppose those 14 year old hormones stayed in tact even though his body wasn't.

Such a naughty episode.
 
Jan 25, 2009 3:09 AM

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That's not how you use a birth control pill.
 
Apr 6, 2009 12:46 AM

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Ahhhhh... that was awkward at the end. Did we really need to hear all that? Also how is it a sex scene IF YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE ANYTHING! Other than that I liked all Misato, Rei, and Asuka's dreamy b@@bz.
 
Jun 9, 2009 4:31 AM

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hahaha... alternate scene battle at end this episode XD
 
Jun 11, 2009 7:22 PM

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lol oral stage
 
Aug 26, 2009 1:24 AM

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That's interesting. And I don't think it was "fanservice" as such, there was definitely a point to this episode, because Eva is very much a coming of age story. So, naturally sex would come into play.
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Sep 13, 2009 5:22 AM
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I like Eva in bandage, he look so badass =D
 
Oct 14, 2009 8:43 AM

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Everybody noticed fanservice, but nobody say that this was the most psychodelic episode.
 
Nov 9, 2009 12:53 PM

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Don't put strange things in
 
Nov 9, 2009 5:48 PM

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Not unexpected of Misato. XD Hmm... just what is the Eva I wonder. The whole Shinji's soul being lost it in creeped me out a bit.
 
Nov 24, 2009 8:30 PM

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aero said:
Fanservice episode :P Still good though.


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Nov 29, 2009 9:04 PM

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You came? I shuddered. That part at the ending was creepy. Fanservice, my ass.
 
Dec 6, 2009 7:45 AM

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Shinji is such a conflicted little boy. He requires attention and only the good kind to be happy. I wonder if he'll ever see his dream of fatherly love come true.
 
Dec 29, 2009 9:31 PM
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Alright episode, but it seemed to be more of a setup for things to come. Also, the fanservice felt a bit weird, mainly since it is in this series.
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Jan 7, 2010 3:29 PM
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It's good to see everyone again (fanservice? XD)
 
May 12, 2010 2:05 PM

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Still waiting for an explanation on the evas and Adam. Soooooo much fanservice in this episode. NGE really sucks you in doesn't it?
 
Jun 7, 2010 10:15 PM

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"What is EVA?"

What are Angels?

Seem to hear it every episode now and still don't know what it means.
This episode was pretty bad from all angles.

Tried too hard to do some trippy mind-fuck but failed in the long run.
 
Jun 23, 2010 12:49 PM

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Really? 90% of the posts in here are about fanservice?
...Really?

This episode was a mindfuck. So good.
 
Jul 14, 2010 12:06 PM

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I liked this episode a lot especially the trippy harem parts.
 
Jul 25, 2010 2:43 PM

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It was a really strange episode, and I still don't know how Rei is actually related to Shinji and his father~
 
Jul 25, 2010 2:47 PM

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sayami said:
It was a really strange episode, and I still don't know how Rei is actually related to Shinji and his father~




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Jul 26, 2010 1:13 AM

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GunDumb90 said:
sayami said:
It was a really strange episode, and I still don't know how Rei is actually related to Shinji and his father~


It's explained later on in episode 21(watch the director's cut episodes for 21-24 it's more informative), but I'll just tell you.

You wrote here a really serious spoiler man! I suggest you to use that button, it's not here for nothing!
Anyway I already watched that episode, it explained a lot~
 
Jul 31, 2010 1:17 PM

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Really? 90% of the posts in here are about fanservice?
...Really?

This episode was a mindfuck. So good.


LOL right

Ridiculous
 
Aug 1, 2010 5:47 PM
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it was an OK episode. Shinji was "inside" EVA, he's having random (sexual) thought + we see his mother at the end, then suddenly came out from the heart of EVA. The ending was lol.

 
Aug 25, 2010 2:56 PM

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What the fuck just happened? I didn't get all those stuffs that happened inside Eva-01. What was that supposed to mean? I'm confused as fuck right now. All I got was Kanji was putting weird stuffs inside Misato's hole. But that confused me too. Why was Kanji putting a pill inside Misato? Lmfao oh my. The moaning really turned me on though.

Okay so what was that all about? I'm thinking that Shinji only wants attention and wants everybody to be kind to him. I don't know why but maybe because he's longing for love that he didn't get when he was young.

I'm still confused though. How come Shinji saw a lot of girls in his dream? Do you mean he wanted to have sex with all of those women? What the fuck lol. Shinji's a player man.
 
Oct 7, 2010 5:57 AM

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I just wasted 8 minutes thinking on a witty comment about Misato and Kaiji having sex.
NICE episode.
 
Oct 12, 2010 8:16 AM
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To much unneeded fan service. And they were doing the naughty.


Yeah, I agree. Too much fanservice. I actually turned the volume off by the end. It felt uncomfortable to hear that, at least for me.

Anyway, I loved the rest of the episode. Reflecting about the aspects of life is win.
 
Nov 4, 2010 4:22 PM

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meh. ok episode
the end wasn't necessary.....


it was very necessary.
 
Nov 4, 2010 5:45 PM

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Lol at all the people complaining about a sex scene and calling it fan service. It seems many people are quick to call something "fan-service" when they don't agree with something.
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Nov 19, 2010 1:48 PM

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A great change of pace after the previous two monstrous episodes, but I felt this was a bit too slow, with ALOT of unnecessary fanservice. Especially at the end (Good for Kaji though). There were still a number of really good moments, for example I loved the bandaged face of the Eva with the crazed grin and the ominous heartbeats. Really creepy. The trip through Shinji's thoughts was pretty fucked up, but other than that there's not too much to complain about.
 
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That's not how you use a birth control pill.

lulz.

All these comments on fan service. lol.
There was certainly lots of fan service in this episode, but not all of it was unnecessary. The hallucination that Shinji had reveals his conscience. It showed his innermost, deep, subconscious thoughts, as well as, a "connection" with Eva. Who knows why he had a harem fantasy about the three girls, but maybe it's because he is drawn to them (not necessarily sexually).

Asuka is a frustrated girl that masks her vulnerabilities with confidence and pride (qualities opposite to Shinji's). He is drawn to her because they are so different, and she has the elements he doesn't have.

Rei is the emotionless, but mysterious girl that seems like she wouldn't open herself to anyone. When Shinji saw a gleam of humanity and happiness while she was talking to his father, he became curious. About her. About his dad. About that sparkle. It's interesting that Shinji identifies Rei as his surrogate sister in his hallucination, but at the same time, is attracted to her.

Misato is the only one that genuinely cares for Shinji. She is like a motherly figure to him (though their relationship is a bit.. ambiguous). About the last scene. It was a combination of her emotional agitation and her diminished trust with Ritsuko. I think the sex was an excuse to meet with Kaji because of her general, psychological issues, instability from occuring events, and frustration from being left out of the loop (with secrets of NERV/the Evas).
 
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This episode was too DEEP for me.

Also, my body was not ready for that last scene.
 
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If that was Fanserice then the scenes where the Mechas fight are obviously moments from the Slice of Life genre.

Not exactly Deep persay. I think it tried a little to hard.
Everything was simple enough to follow.
Shinji got turned into liquid goo, but not really because the Eva itself absorbed him.
The Eva is most likely his mother like I have been assuming thus it released him.
Of course I could be mistaken.

The sex scene was totally necessary.
It's slapping you in the face and telling you that her loyalties have just done a heel face turn. Everything she believed in, everything she is is no longer the same.

The Penguin could have replaced Shinji as the pilot of Unit One.
 
Apr 23, 2011 3:23 AM

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So... Shinji wants a harem... I can't blame him.

 
May 4, 2011 10:46 PM

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Oh God...I don't know who I'd pick between Misato, Rei, and Asuka! They're all too cute <3
 
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Jul 4, 2011 4:41 AM

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Oh God...I don't know who I'd pick between Misato, Rei, and Asuka! They're all too cute <3


Id pick virgin Asuka for sure.
Dont want that cold Rei.
like Misato too
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Aug 9, 2011 4:05 PM

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It really looks like Shinji was fantasizing, because he didn't see just his mom.
Anyways, a fanservice episode I didn't see it coming.
 
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- ...boss we have an unexpected problem with this NGE project.
- What do you mean?
- We just can't write a decent story!
- Hmmm... Let me think... Have you ever mixed Vodka, prozac and LSD?
- Errr... Nope...
- Well, I did. You know what came into my mind then?
- No, sir.
- Incoherent, illogical, senseless stuff. Lots of it. Why don't you put it into NGE?
- Why do I have a feeling that it won't work?...
- It will. You'll see. And in fact - people will love it. And we'll call it... Mindfuck.
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I think a lot of you are misunderstanding the reasoning and point of this episode. It goes beyond just the thoughts and needs of Shinji, but humanity as a whole. The entire episode (if you payed good attention) was a metaphor into human desire and naturalism. The need for men to sexually explore (the same for women, but shown through Shinji's perspective in this case) and experience humanly pleasure. Notice how Asuka, Rei, and Mitsuno all spoke about ''how good it felt'' and ''do you want to be one with us''. Pay close attention! It isn't just about the last sex scene that happened to last longer than we needed (-__-) Looking forward to the next!
 
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