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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- All these theories flowing around...heh Among all this drama, we still got space exploration and they even arrive at a new planet. I must say, the world fiction and building in this show has been phenomenal. |
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| Another great episode. A little long on the exposition, but very tense and well-handled. Aries' belief in Charce even after he was exposed was really well done and touching. 8/10 |
boldulyssesSep 4, 2019 6:59 AM
| Set SCE to AUX |
| A lot of info in this episode. We got to learn more about Astra and how Earth is gone due to an asteroid. They arrived at the final planet. One more journey left till they reach home. So Charce was the culprit all along. |
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| I don't even know if this is brilliant or stupid anymore. I feel like it alternates between the two quite frequently Also I don't really get how just seeing Charce end up going through the orb last somehow automatically makes him the enemy here. I mean that's a pretty vague accusation if you ask me and actually acting upon it like that is pretty ballsy The connection between Earth and Astra was... I guess sort of what I expected it to be after last episode? Or at least one of the few possibilities of it I could think of, though I hadn't taken the artificial wormhole part of it into account which certainly explains some of the early coincidences in the story at least |
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| Unfortunately, there is an asteroid-sized plothole here. They have a civilization with FTL capability and even wormhole technology, yet they apparently cannot divert a single asteroid. That seems implausible. Even if there are reasons why it can't be done, they never even touch the subject or explain why not. If they have wormhole technology, the ability to produce a large number of wormholes in operation and FTL on top of it, I see no reason why they couldn't be used to change the asteroid's trajectory. Even if the asteroid is 300 kilometers across, all it needs is a relatively gentle push over the years to avoid Earth. The planet is actually a pretty small target in space and in constant movement relative to other bodies, so the trajectory of the asteroid would barely have to change. Far more realistic than moving much of the world's resources to another planet. Suck up some of the asteroid's mass, ram it with large objects (at FTL speed?), or drop stockpiles of nukes and other explosives if you really can't do anything else. Might as well chip off rocks with wormholes and launch them right back at the asteroid itself from a suitable angle. They don't need to destroy the whole thing; it is enough to push it enough to divert its trajectory. Even if there are some technical reasons why wormholes and FTL can't trivially solve this, they make travel to the asteroid so much faster and more efficient that they can keep pushing or nuking the rock as soon as it's discovered and keep at it every day with huge resources. After all, they must have gigantic resources available if they were able to migrate to another planet. Also, if an asteroid is 300 kilometers across, it is one of the largest asteroids in the entire solar system. There are only about ten of them. If one of them was headed for Earth, people would know about it much sooner because they are such obvious targets for tracking. Eight years is an outrageously low timespan. I'd be more worried about the 10,000 asteroids with a diameter of about 10 km. How has an FTL civilization not properly tracked the largest asteroids that are well-known even today? (By the way, I knew about this beforehand because I have read the manga. That's why I thought this through.) It feels really jarring. An FTL civilization cornered by a single asteroid? Really? |
TheDeedsOfMenSep 4, 2019 7:29 AM
| I knew it, I always had the suspition he was the one |
| Hoooo boy shit got way too intense at the end there, that was one weird fast paced solution Kanata had on who the traitor might have been, like seriously? just from him being last? nothing else besides that? but aside from that I guess they never really had anything else to work with besides him being the last one to get eaten up by the wormhole. Aries' reaction was really well done, the girl is too trusting and nice, adorable but a huge flaw in these circumstances. I did like her and Kanata's fun banter when Kanata wanted to enter her room lol. That being said... did Kanata and Aries just raised their death flag or something? that conversation about taking her home and Aries introducing Kanata to her mom was chilly. |
-StraySep 4, 2019 7:35 AM
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| Finally, more information but its too late cuz I don't care about anyone lol. |
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| wow, lots going on this ep, that twist with the earth was not expected at all. But Aries trying to dismiss the alternate timeline situation just seems like a lazy way in order to not have to find a solution for that. The most unrealistic part of this whole series, is humans actually abandoning discrimination and peacefully working together Damn, Charce being the perpetrator this whole time, he was definitely susp but I honestly put my money on Aries for that. |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
TheDeedsOfMen said: It feels really jarring. An FTL civilization cornered by a single asteroid? Really? That crossed my mind as well when Polina was explaining it. Not sure how to justify it, since you're right: A) a 300km-wide asteroid would be easy to detect ahead of time and B) it would only need a relatively gentle push to move it out of Earth's path, which should not be a problem. I suppose one possible (tenuous) explanation could be the planet was so ravaged by nuclear war that they wanted to start over, but then I remember that's Astra, not the Earth... Ugh timelines. Short_Circut said: The most unrealistic part of this whole series, is humans actually abandoning discrimination and peacefully working together As much of a Star Trek fan as I am, the whole "humanity has evolved beyond greed and poverty" has always bugged me in the same way. Human nature is what it is. |
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| This anime is seriously the over overachieving underdog of the season. Absolutely loving the twists as well as the characterisation... though at this point it does feel like it's progressing just a little too fast, speeding through certain things that could use a little more time. Oh well. I also still believe in Charce though. O.O |
Spaceship said: This is kind of obvious, but they will talk more about the history in the next few episodes.TheDeedsOfMen said: It feels really jarring. An FTL civilization cornered by a single asteroid? Really? That crossed my mind as well when Polina was explaining it. Not sure how to justify it, since you're right: A) a 300km-wide asteroid would be easy to detect ahead of time and B) it would only need a relatively gentle push to move it out of Earth's path, which should not be a problem. I suppose one possible (tenuous) explanation could be the planet was so ravaged by nuclear war that they wanted to start over, but then I remember that's Astra, not the Earth... Ugh timelines. ...Still wouldn't explain the part about the asteroid though, either way. The situation had already stabilized by then, so they wouldn't be eager to move everything to another planet at that point. Spaceship said: They would need to properly explain how to achieve it. That isn't even the most head-scratching social issue though. I'll probably post more about it after the next few episodes.Short_Circut said: The most unrealistic part of this whole series, is humans actually abandoning discrimination and peacefully working together As much of a Star Trek fan as I am, the whole "humanity has evolved beyond greed and poverty" has always bugged me in the same way. Human nature is what it is. Oh, I forgot to mention another thing, but I think massive plot twists like these should usually be spaced out a bit more, especially these typical scifi twists. The last-minute barrage is a bit too much. Clones? Check. Alternate history? Check. Apocalyptic event? Check. Earth wasn't what you expected? Check. What next? Going back in time and killing Hitler? |
TheDeedsOfMen said: Spaceship said: This is kind of obvious, but they will talk more about the history in the next few episodes.That crossed my mind as well when Polina was explaining it. Not sure how to justify it, since you're right: A) a 300km-wide asteroid would be easy to detect ahead of time and B) it would only need a relatively gentle push to move it out of Earth's path, which should not be a problem. I suppose one possible (tenuous) explanation could be the planet was so ravaged by nuclear war that they wanted to start over, but then I remember that's Astra, not the Earth... Ugh timelines. ...Still wouldn't explain the part about the asteroid though, either way. The situation had already stabilized by then, so they wouldn't be eager to move everything to another planet at that point. Spaceship said: They would need to properly explain how to achieve it. That isn't even the most head-scratching social issue though. I'll probably post more about it after the next few episodes.As much of a Star Trek fan as I am, the whole "humanity has evolved beyond greed and poverty" has always bugged me in the same way. Human nature is what it is. Oh, I forgot to mention another thing, but I think massive plot twists like these should usually be spaced out a bit more, especially these typical scifi twists. The last-minute barrage is a bit too much. Clones? Check. Alternate history? Check. Apocalyptic event? Check. Earth wasn't what you expected? Check. What next? Going back in time and killing Hitler? Biggesst plot twist being saved for last. "Whats an anime and manga?" R.I.P |
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| Best episode yet. Polina's emotions were conveyed well. Kanata asking what God is was especially sad. |
| Wow, the twists never cease to amaze me lately. And we aren't even at the end. Looking forward to what's to come during the finale. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do, nothing to kill or die for, and no religion, too. so John Lennon was from Astra in the future all along xD this episode was adapted pretty good |
Nim0174Sep 4, 2019 8:56 AM
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| Good episode with a lot of info. +1 to @TheDeedsOfMen response about how an advanced civilizations with FTL and wormhole technology ended up worried about a single asteroid. Doesn't make sense, I suppose the only way to look over it is that it's just for the sake of the plot. Something doesn't add up to me about the whole exodus, it's like Zack mentioned, it's only been 6 years since the supposed Exodus. These kids are supposed to be what? 14? 15? There's no way they wouldn't remember going through a wormhole or at least something about the Exodus or even Earth and it's history. If the Exodus had happened like a hundred years before then perhaps it's possible that the true history was hidden from them, in fact Astra's history is awfully elaborate with the whole WWIII. 6 years is too little time for this to be fabricated so well and to have Astra colonized immensely. Only explanations I can think of is that either Astra wasn't the planet that humanity immigrated too, somehow the entirely of humanity was brainwashed or there is a discrepancy in the time quoted by the characters. i.e. the years that Paulina and Zack quote are actually not part of the same calendar. Interesting that Charce turned out to be the perpetrator and yeah awfully bold of Kanata to suspect him just from that single detail when they were first captured. Looking forward to hearing his story. |
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HaXXspetten said: I don't even know if this is brilliant or stupid anymore. I feel like it alternates between the two quite frequently Also I don't really get how just seeing Charce end up going through the orb last somehow automatically makes him the enemy here. I mean that's a pretty vague accusation if you ask me and actually acting upon it like that is pretty ballsy The connection between Earth and Astra was... I guess sort of what I expected it to be after last episode? Or at least one of the few possibilities of it I could think of, though I hadn't taken the artificial wormhole part of it into account which certainly explains some of the early coincidences in the story at least They have established the motive as disposing of all the clones in such a way that no body or even blood would be found. To ensure this the traitor would have to make sure everyone is sucked into the wormhole. They wouldn't be able to control the orb and make sure of it after being sucked in, so they had to go last. Still they couldn't be completely sure, so that's why they did this stunt. |
| Some nice suspense. Lots of reveals being dropped, with the possibility of an alternate history being the most intriguing. The puzzle isn't complete yet, however, so I'm looking forward to seeing what the kids will learn once they reach Astra. Solid second half as well. However... HaXXspetten said: Also I don't really get how just seeing Charce end up going through the orb last somehow automatically makes him the enemy here. I mean that's a pretty vague accusation if you ask me and actually acting upon it like that is pretty ballsy This is something that also bothered me. The alibi is extremely flimsy, so I'm hoping the manga has more to add. Because if not, I'm honestly really disappointed. EDIT: Just read your explanation on the post above me @Master_Geass. I'm still not entirely sold on the alibi, but thanks for clearing it up! |
SkittlesSep 4, 2019 9:44 AM
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| The first part really gave me chills. Really curious to know the reason behind all the change that happened to the history and damn so they were traveling from Earth to Astra. Also wow so Charce is the culprit after all and I wonder what his reason r for doing this thou. Looking forward to next episode. |
MegamiRemSep 4, 2019 9:46 AM
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| Ok, these twists are getting really stupid having all these inconsistencies that makes all the conveniences a lot more convenient. Are you going to tell me, that a space ship MANAGED to survive all along orbiting around Earth and still be in one piece after the Earth was impacted by a huge meteor? Also, are you going to tell me that these incompetent scientists could make a wormhole device but couldn't create a weapon that could shatter this meteor or at least, change its path? (They could also have used this wormhole to warp the meteor instead of themselves lmao) Also, the story on Astra doesn't even make sense, are you going to tell me that somehow countries stopped being a thing, but a kingdom of nobles still exist? There's so many things off about this. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Tbh I forgot there is an enemy, and I didn't want Charce to be one but oh well. I am confident he will switch to their side completely by the end. Also the current planet reminds me of Azuremyst Isle from World of Warcarft. |
| Lol, MAL seems to be divided when it comes to if this show is good or not. But yea the episode was fantastic! It had me shaking throughout the whole episodes and I had to put down my Vita when they were gonna apprehend the culprit. Call me simple but if this show has me this invested in it then it's very good in my book. People can speculate all they want over plotholes and stuff but those "plot holes" can easily filled in by the author if he wants to. If you're one of those that can turn your mind off some times and get sucked into things I'm sure that you'll love this, but if you're one of those that has a notebook with you and writes down everything that could potentially be a plothole then this show is not for you I guess. |
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Skittles said: Some nice suspense. Lots of reveals being dropped, with the possibility of an alternate history being the most intriguing. The puzzle isn't complete yet, however, so I'm looking forward to seeing what the kids will learn once they reach Astra. Solid second half as well. However... HaXXspetten said: Also I don't really get how just seeing Charce end up going through the orb last somehow automatically makes him the enemy here. I mean that's a pretty vague accusation if you ask me and actually acting upon it like that is pretty ballsy This is something that also bothered me. This alibi is extremely flimsy, so I'm hoping the manga has more to add. Because if not, I'm honestly really disappointed. EDIT: Just read your explanation on the post above me @Master_Geass. I'm still not entirely sold on the alibi, but thanks for clearing it up! You're welcome. Kanata's reasoning was that the killer had to have the controls on him or else the orb couldn't have shown up again on the other two planets. I'm sure there is some way to move the orb around using the controller. I've heard people complain that the kids didn't break off into different directions when the orb started chasing them, but it wouldn't matter as the orb would just start hunting them down, although it would of slowed things down a bit. |
| I liked it, Charce being the enemy did not surprise me one iota because he was suspicious af the whole time. But can someone tell me how you have a king with no countries? What is he the king of? There is a singular government, but regional monarchs? Maybe it is more clear in the manga or future episodes. |
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| I really loved the play on utopia/dystopia theming with the Astra/Earth-case! Overall the worldbuilding in this show is pretty phenomenal. I'm really digging the amount of subplots and plot twists as well, there's just enough to keep the show fresh and interesting, but the viewer isn't overfed! I also feel really proud about having figured the traitor out before the show revealed it lmao |
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Master_Geass said: Mmm I guess that makes sense. Though it's still not much more than a hypothesis and not exactly evidence but I guess they had to at least consider it enough to be worth investigatingHaXXspetten said: I don't even know if this is brilliant or stupid anymore. I feel like it alternates between the two quite frequently Also I don't really get how just seeing Charce end up going through the orb last somehow automatically makes him the enemy here. I mean that's a pretty vague accusation if you ask me and actually acting upon it like that is pretty ballsy The connection between Earth and Astra was... I guess sort of what I expected it to be after last episode? Or at least one of the few possibilities of it I could think of, though I hadn't taken the artificial wormhole part of it into account which certainly explains some of the early coincidences in the story at least They have established the motive as disposing of all the clones in such a way that no body or even blood would be found. To ensure this the traitor would have to make sure everyone is sucked into the wormhole. They wouldn't be able to control the orb and make sure of it after being sucked in, so they had to go last. Still they couldn't be completely sure, so that's why they did this stunt. |
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lyss666 said: I liked it, Charce being the enemy did not surprise me one iota because he was suspicious af the whole time. But can someone tell me how you have a king with no countries? What is he the king of? There is a singular government, but regional monarchs? Maybe it is more clear in the manga or future episodes. It's kind of like how England has a Queen, but she doesn't really do anything. It's mostly just for show. Granted the king does have a certain level of power, but it's a bit more limited then what you might normally think of when you think of a king. Mostly the king only rules over that one district. I am a little unclear on how much influence he has outside of the royal district. You can expect more details next episode. If not send me a message and I'll answer your questions. |
| Great! I (and most people) knew it that Ulgar is definitely not the enemy. From now on everyone who is too obvious will always be a red herring. The whole Earth-destroyed-and-new-planet-is-Astra thing is so awesome. I know that something happened to the planet Polina was coming from, but only partly saw it might turn out like this (I guessed b4 this they're literally from same planet, and something that should happened didn't occur while Polina trapped on that planet) |
Master_Geass said: The existence of the monarchy makes very little sense. They go out of their way to get rid of countries, but establish a monarchy for... reasons. I'll probably talk about it more after the next two episodes because they will reveal more about it.lyss666 said: I liked it, Charce being the enemy did not surprise me one iota because he was suspicious af the whole time. But can someone tell me how you have a king with no countries? What is he the king of? There is a singular government, but regional monarchs? Maybe it is more clear in the manga or future episodes. It's kind of like how England has a Queen, but she doesn't really do anything. It's mostly just for show. Granted the king does have a certain level of power, but it's a bit more limited then what you might normally think of when you think of a king. Mostly the king only rules over that one district. I am a little unclear on how much influence he has outside of the royal district. You can expect more details next episode. If not send me a message and I'll answer your questions. |
| For a moment there I thought that Aries might be the enemy, that twist could be really interesting. Didn't fall for Ulgar-the-enemy thing and saw through the plan to fish out the real one, except my first suspicion was about Zack. Well, anyhow the revelation seemed kinda bland. Of course, they'll all still stay friends and will go back home on sunshine and rainbows... I liked the part with Earth-Astra more, I'm actually intrigued what happened and how exactly the population is deceived. |
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| Wow, this was a pretty tense but (half-)solid episode! I was hoping we'd get back to the "enemy" portion last episode but didn't expected it to be resolved by this episode alone (technically it's not just yet though, I imagine). Kanata seemed convinced and Charce sure fell for it, gold trap! I could smell Ulgar and Zack were in this too. Clone of the King, now that's something. Seeing Aries in tears in the background was sad, I've to say. For some reason, I wasn't convinced by his backstory and the fact that he was the only one without a legitimate goal (once returning back to Astra, that is) was a definite indication but it still managed to hit me and that's a great plus! I'll admit I'd my money on Aries at first though. Lol @ that little Aries moment during the retracing phase though, what was she afraid of xD? Another touching moment between the two as well, hopefully it wasn't a death flag though. Interesting info drop regarding the timeline flunctuations. Loved the way the whole thing played out! Aries stopping the atmosphere from crumbling was a really nice decision too. I wonder what the Royal Family is up to and really curious to know how they managed to brainwash the older generation(s). I found it a little hard to believe that Kanata managed to outrun the sphere this time and why exactly didn't Charce take down Kanata + Aries, it'd be killing two birds with one stone really. Moreover, I've got to agree with @TheDeedsOfMen regarding the lack of preparation in advance and the how baffling it is that they didn't think of such methods, so a little disappointed by that too. |
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| @_MushiRock11_ While they have found out who the traitor is, they still don't know who the master mind is and they will still have to deal with their originals. We only have two episodes left, and we still don't know why Charce is doing all of this. Also I wouldn't call that killing two birds with one stone. |
Master_Geass said: While they have found out who the traitor is, they still don't know who the master mind is and they will still have to deal with their originals. We only have two episodes left, and we still don't know why Charce is doing all of this. Also I wouldn't call that killing two birds with one stone. Ah, fair point. I was referring to the finding out the traitor exclusively by the way and the intentions as the 'next' portion, sorry for being super vague there. Really? It felt like taking he had the chance to take down two people out of the equation when initially he had only the demise of Kanata planned out, hence killing two birds with one stone. |
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| Hmm thats quite the interesting revelation. While their homeworld's may be different the location of the landmasses appear to be the same though with different names. To think that the divergent point was the Cuban missile crisis though. Still to think that Astra's humans not only lacked knowledge in history but also in religion as well. Still what was even more surprising was Polina's revelation. Kanata's plan to draw out the real enemy though sure was a bold if dangerous move. Still the identity of the real enemy sure was a surprise. Still its ironic in that due to his mishap at the start that the team managed to pull together and get so far in their quest to return home. The final revelation though was quite the shocker. No wonder this was supposed to be a suicide mission for him. Overall a solid ep that provided some heavy revelations while also advancing the story to the endgame. Im curious on what will happen next. |
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_MushiRock11_ said: Really? It felt like taking he had the chance to take down two people out of the equation when initially he had only the demise of Kanata planned out, hence killing two birds with one stone. Agree to disagree. Keep in mind this is the second time they out ran the orb. |
Master_Geass said: Agree to disagree. Keep in mind this is the second time they out ran the orb. Right, to each their own then I suppose. Oh right, thanks for the reminder! Totally forgot that 😅 |
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| Knew it! Fricking knew there were time travel shenanigans going on! GYAAAAAA! Edit: ok, jumped the gun. But still, can you blame me. |
Weapon_MasterSep 4, 2019 12:01 PM
| my guess was right, Charles is the traitor but these past episodes make me believe that there's no enemy in the group :/ |
| Real entertaining episode. Kanata has grown as a leader immensely. Why run away from an asteroid if you have FLT technology? The stuff you would be able to do if you had that technological capability would be incredible. |
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| They had us in the start with all those history revelation. And then we had the calm but yet again the traitor is revealed all along. Mindblown again. To think that Charles, the best survivalist with his knowledge of biology was the traitor all along. |
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| had a big I KNEW IT moment there...after i groaned at the bait and switch, thinking that they cant make it that underwhelming also i low-key doubt the govt would let the kids be normal after they returned and exposed those dingbats |
_MushiRock11_ said: Master_Geass said: Oh right, thanks for the reminder! Totally forgot that 😅Keep in mind this is the second time they out ran the orb. You might want to think about how they were able to pull that off before on the jungle planet. |
Master_Geass said: You might want to think about how they were able to pull that off before on the jungle planet. Yeah, I was on to that and hit another dead block lol. |
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| Motto, motto twists. I like |
| I wonder why Charce didn't kill everyone by sabotaging the emergency landing back in episode 3. It required everyone but Yuhua's cooperation and could have easily failed. |
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