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Sep 3, 11:12 AM

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nanashi796 said:
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Yes yes it certainly is. And the few things they do say arent outstanding either. Google the word.

But lmao your "opinion" is officially worthless anyway since you think Monogotari dialogue is only good because they talk a lot. WTF how even.

@Chainxbastard monogatari isnt the standard lmao. Its the standard for "outstanding". And this here is simply not.

Necessary r/im14andthisisdeep The example you just gave is cringe and bad dialogue.
lol monogatari dialogue oustanding,just the line everyone is a slave to something is better than all the dialogues in monogatari combined and it's not even the best dialogue in vinland saga.
lol your "opinion" is officially worthless now. Biased people like you shouldnt be allowed to formulate their misbeliefs.
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What a fight!! seriously this anime gets even better every episode !!
 
Sep 3, 1:24 PM

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Nono the amount of dialogue isn't a marker of quality. I'm referring to the way they talk - anime dialogue tends to be cringey on many occasions with cheesy lines and characters feeling like robots rather than having a sense of two characters having a conversation when talking to each other. Monogatari doesn't set the standard for dialogue just because they talk a lot. It's good though.
Yes yes it certainly is. And the few things they do say arent outstanding either. Google the word.

But lmao your "opinion" is officially worthless anyway since you think Monogotari dialogue is only good because they talk a lot. WTF how even.

@Chainxbastard monogatari isnt the standard lmao. Its the standard for "outstanding". And this here is simply not.

Necessary r/im14andthisisdeep The example you just gave is cringe and bad dialogue.


Where did I say I only think monogatari dialogue is good because they talk a lot? You said there is barely any dialogue in vinland saga and pointed to monogatari which has a lot of dialogue as a measure of quality. So I told you that the amount of waffle someone talks doesnt matter but how they speak (how the dialogue is written).

'Everyone is a slave to something' is not cringe or bad dialogue but you have stuff like code geass and DBZ in your favourites so cant really take you seriously with the hypocrisy. Nice talking to you.

 
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I love the retort King Sweyn made against christianity. It's perfectly fitting. But if he really cared about his son and knew already he would become weak because of Ragnar's teachings, he would've never allowed Ragnar to teach Canute. No real Norse would anyway.

The retort and the battle were the best parts of the episode. Did the opponent even feel pain? He didn't seem to.
 
Sep 3, 5:13 PM
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Someone really should slap Bjorn for shit talking the best boi Thorkell

"oh look at me I'm mr. tough guy who likes killing and war, as you can clearly see from the fact that I'm just standing here doing nothing"

Like come on dude, just go home you're embarrassing everyone
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Sep 3, 5:18 PM
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Marrone said:
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You said it yourself tho. They're basically travelling from place to place, meeting minor characters and doing flashy things in some absurd fights. Meanwhile, Thorfinn is experiencing his emo mode.

Yeah, it's basically same shit every episode w/o real plot involved.
I hope it gets better since right now I'm utterly disappointed with mehdiocre quality of this show.


Lmao Canute and Thorkell are not minor characters. If you cannot recognise how important characters are introduced in a story then there is no point in discussing further. It seems as if you prefer the plot being shoved down your throat like most garbage anime than characters being developed so that you care about the plot revolving around these characters when it kicks in.

God knows how people would react to a Vagaond anime adaptation with brain dead audiences going 'no plot' since it's follows Musashi's journey. Better off for these seinen to not get adapted in the first place.
I'd probably just bitch about the art I'd Vagabond ever got animated cuz no way in Hell are they getting that right lmao.
 
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Great episode in everything, starting from beautiful visuals (as always) through great animation (as always) and music (as always)... It's pointless to enumerate every good elements of this episode. It's better to say: it was great (as always). ;-)

Thorkell is tough as hell! And a mad lad as well. He is not worried about his hand pierced through and his two fingers that were cut off by Thorfinn (let's not forget that one small infection can cause a lot of problems, including death).

Thorfinn wanted to outsmart Thorkell somehow and use his acrobatic moves, but it was nothing in front of that giant. Thorkell's might was spectacular both when he fought regular troops and when he fought with Thorfinn. Or rather had fun, 'cause he didn't take it as seriously as Thors' son thought he would.

Seriously injured and humiliated Thorfinn joins main army on its march towards lands of Wessex. He was not only defeated and injured, but failed Askeladd who promised another duel after getting Thorkell's head.

I'm wondering what's gonna happen in Wessex... Thorkell won't leave his post, most likely, so it's rather not possible for him to talk again with Thorfinn about Thors. It would be cool if they were to talk in one of the next episodes.
 
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Kamiyan3991 said:
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Canute Introduction
Thorkell Introduction
War in England
Travelling to Wessex

"same shit every damn episode" cant take you seriously can I?

You said it yourself tho. They're basically travelling from place to place, meeting minor characters and doing flashy things in some absurd fights. Meanwhile, Thorfinn is experiencing his emo mode.

Yeah, it's basically same shit every episode w/o real plot involved.
I hope it gets better since right now I'm utterly disappointed with mehdiocre quality of this show.

God damn do I want to spoil every single detail about this series to you right now. Every single little part.
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I'm not sure what formula you are expecting. Probably something more akin to the dramatic flair of a more kid/teen-friendly show.

Not having to watch this edgy kid would be enough. Srsly, I thought that his character might be interesting, but he f* refuse to turn off his emo-mode.

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I am absolutely certain that if a show like Berserk 97' were to be aired today people would complain that "nothing was happening" and not understand that it's the journey that matters more than the destination (hence the word Saga in the title).

Oh, rly? I watched old Berserk like 2 years ago and it was very good. You're lookin' for excuses, but Saga is just MEH so far. And I really hate your usual "it gets better". Berserk was good right from the start.

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It's the quiet moments, like Thorfinn with a pained and twisted expression saying "What's so enjoyable about battle?"

Or Askeladd telling that naieve kid how "Everyone is a slave to something," and the slave girl telling Thorfinn that "They were in the same position," etc, etc.

So deep. I feel like I'm drowning
Actually that "position" part was quite stupid, since she didn't even know him lol. What a mind-reader!

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The fact that you couldn't pick up on these details, or that they hold very little weight to you, means that this show just may not be for you.

Yeah, I definitely couldn't pick up on random talks you hear everywhere.
You got me good, dear sir.

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There is nothing mediocre about this show. The "average" anime does not possess the same level of depth that this one does. Not even close.

Everything about this was mehdiocre so far. Especially eps 1-3 vel Resident Sleeper.

Btw, you folks keep talking about "depth" of this show, yet all I can see right now is:

*random talking
*cheap slavery dilemma;
*cheap brute force fights (looks more like shounen);
*edgy, annoying MC.

Quite far from "deep", I'd say.
Still not a bad show though. Only overhyped/overrated.
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The battle of London Bridge. A crucial point where everyone can reap high benefits, but is shielded by Thorkell the Tall in partnership wíth the English Army. For someone sane as Floki, talking him into surrender was a choice, but it was the worst choice.

But Thorfinn being himself, he'd always go in for the kill irregardless. As always, he'd fail, but will inch another day. Askeladd's army suffered lots, and the King has to make amends with the Jomsvikings, to raise his son Canute's position into the warzone.

The battle is not over...

operationvalkyri said:
"That madman... What's s o enjoyable about battle?"


This sums up Thorkell as a whole, and the present state of Thorfinn in distress about battle.

Great episode! Lots of fun.
 
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Kamiyan3991 said:
ChainxBastard said:
I'm not sure what formula you are expecting. Probably something more akin to the dramatic flair of a more kid/teen-friendly show.

Not having to watch this edgy kid would be enough. Srsly, I thought that his character might be interesting, but he f* refuse to turn off his emo-mode.

ChainxBastard said:
I am absolutely certain that if a show like Berserk 97' were to be aired today people would complain that "nothing was happening" and not understand that it's the journey that matters more than the destination (hence the word Saga in the title).

Oh, rly? I watched old Berserk like 2 years ago and it was very good. You're lookin' for excuses, but Saga is just MEH so far. And I really hate your usual "it gets better". Berserk was good right from the start.

ChainxBastard said:
It's the quiet moments, like Thorfinn with a pained and twisted expression saying "What's so enjoyable about battle?"

Or Askeladd telling that naieve kid how "Everyone is a slave to something," and the slave girl telling Thorfinn that "They were in the same position," etc, etc.

So deep. I feel like I'm drowning
Actually that "position" part was quite stupid, since she didn't even know him lol. What a mind-reader!

ChainxBastard said:
The fact that you couldn't pick up on these details, or that they hold very little weight to you, means that this show just may not be for you.

Yeah, I definitely couldn't pick up on random talks you hear everywhere.
You got me good, dear sir.

ChainxBastard said:
There is nothing mediocre about this show. The "average" anime does not possess the same level of depth that this one does. Not even close.

Everything about this was mehdiocre so far. Especially eps 1-3 vel Resident Sleeper.

Btw, you folks keep talking about "depth" of this show, yet all I can see right now is:

*random talking
*cheap slavery dilemma;
*cheap brute force fights (looks more like shounen);
*edgy, annoying MC.

Quite far from "deep", I'd say.
Still not a bad show though. Only overhyped/overrated.



If you thought the first 3 episodes and think the where boring and think the slavery might as well drop it they are closer to the tone of the series after the rest of the prologue especially the Farmland arc . The series will remain having the over the top battles( when it has battles it has least in general after the proglue) because it's based on the Norse Sagas( hence the title) those where full of characters doing unrealistic feats. Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now. As for rather or not the series is deep,the themes and messages of it are not new or revolutionary ,that war and violence is bad and ruins the lives of the people that commit it and the innocents that get caught in the crossfire and about trying to resist and escape said cycle of violence in a world that is glorifying it but it executes it very well.
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Lawren222 said:
Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now.

I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).
 
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Kamiyan3991 said:

Not having to watch this edgy kid would be enough. Srsly, I thought that his character might be interesting, but he f* refuse to turn off his emo-mode.


You say that while you rated "Shounen Firefighter" an 8. There is no world where that anime is better than this one. Except maybe in the mind of a troll.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Oh, rly? I watched old Berserk like 2 years ago and it was very good. You're lookin' for excuses, but Saga is just MEH so far. And I really hate your usual "it gets better". Berserk was good right from the start.


It gets better but it's already good. Both are not mutually exclusive. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but it's obvious that this is either a preference issue, or you're a troll.

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So deep. I feel like I'm drowning
Actually that "position" part was quite stupid, since she didn't even know him lol. What a mind-reader!


Literally deeper than anything said on Shounen Firefighter. And yet you gave that an 8 and Vinland Saga a 7.

Enough said really. Very, very hard to take you seriously right now. I've watched Enen no Shouboutai and I really wanted to like it but I dropped it after 4 episodes. I can't believe it was made by the same creator as Soul Eater. At least Soul Eater was entertaining thanks to Black Star. "Shounen Firefighter" has literally no redeeming qualities.

Also she wasn't a "mind reader", she guessed that he must have been a slave (a similar position as him) since he was alone on the boat in the cold.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Yeah, I definitely couldn't pick up on random talks you hear everywhere.
You got me good, dear sir.


"You hear everywhere"

Like in Shounen Firefighter? Lmao you're funny, I give you that. And you're more entertaining than that anime has been and probably ever will be.

Over 40k people have rated it below an 8, and you, 7 episodes in, rated it an 8 but gave Vinland Saga a 7.....

You're the one that's just downright wrong.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Everything about this was mehdiocre so far. Especially eps 1-3 vel Resident Sleeper.

Btw, you folks keep talking about "depth" of this show, yet all I can see right now is:

*random talking
*cheap slavery dilemma;
*cheap brute force fights (looks more like shounen);
*edgy, annoying MC.

Quite far from "deep", I'd say.
Still not a bad show though. Only overhyped/overrated.


You don't know what deep means. You gave Enen no Shouboutai a 8. There is literally no one here in this thread that would ever rate that anime over this one, except for a troll like you.

And if you're not a troll then you're a jackass. Or uneducated. Or both.
 
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Kamiyan3991 said:
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Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now.

I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).
Its not ment to be fun to watch but Thorfinn will moved more to the background of the prologue after Caunte is more properly introduced, of Askeladd's group the only really important character there is Askeladd himself and you will likely find him more interesting once more of his character is explored( there is a lot more to him then meets the eye which has subtly being hinted at but will be shown off much more later). Hes the most important character of the prologue overall followed by Caunte,then Thorkell and then Thorfinn. Thorfinn is the MC of the series as a whole but the narrative dosent truly become driven by him till Farmland ( the second arc) which is when he develops into a likeable character. It's funny though in the prologue people complain about Thorfinn being an edgy brat but post proglue people whine about how they miss edgy " badass " Thorfinn he can never get a break.
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Lawren222 said:

Its not ment to be fun to watch...

This statement seemed weird to me at first, but then I remember watching Dororo. During some stretches, I started dreading watching each subsequent episode; it was painful to see the kind of suffering going on episode after episode. But I consider it a worthwhile watch because it left an impact.

Not saying I think the level of suffering/misery/sadness in Vinland is the same as Dodoro's, just that the above statement isn't so ridiculous.
 
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najumobi said:
Lawren222 said:

Its not ment to be fun to watch...

This statement seemed weird to me at first, but then I remember watching Dororo. During some stretches, I started dreading watching each subsequent episode; it was painful to see the kind of suffering going on episode after episode. But I consider it a worthwhile watch because it left an impact.

Not saying I think the level of suffering/misery/sadness in Vinland is the same as Dodoro's, just that the above statement isn't so ridiculous.
I ment just Thorfinn's bratty and edgy behavior not the series as a whole( thought there are definitely parts of it I wouldn't call "fun" thought but it's not on the level of Dororo or the end of the Golden Age arc in Berserk or most of Now and Then,Here and There for examples). The readers/ viewers are definitely not suppose to see Thorfinn as a likeable character in the prologue but are ment to sympathize with and understand his situation as well as hope he sees reason eventually and better himself. That was what I ment not that the series as a whole was not fun to watch or suppose to be.
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Animation and music were amazing.

5/5
 
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Marrone said:
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Yes yes it certainly is. And the few things they do say arent outstanding either. Google the word.

But lmao your "opinion" is officially worthless anyway since you think Monogotari dialogue is only good because they talk a lot. WTF how even.

@Chainxbastard monogatari isnt the standard lmao. Its the standard for "outstanding". And this here is simply not.

Necessary r/im14andthisisdeep The example you just gave is cringe and bad dialogue.


Where did I say I only think monogatari dialogue is good because they talk a lot? You said there is barely any dialogue in vinland saga and pointed to monogatari which has a lot of dialogue as a measure of quality. So I told you that the amount of waffle someone talks doesnt matter but how they speak (how the dialogue is written).

'Everyone is a slave to something' is not cringe or bad dialogue but you have stuff like code geass and DBZ in your favourites so cant really take you seriously with the hypocrisy. Nice talking to you.


I never said my favourites are about outstanding dialogue lol. And where did I say monogatari has outstanding dialogue because they talk a lot? I said Vinland saga doesnt has much dialogue and the few bits it has arent outstanding either.
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The Hatred of battle and war is really seen in Thorfinn's facial expression, But damn Thorkell is insane, the way he fights and how he doesn't really feel pain at all. I feel bad for Thorfinn fighting his UNCLE
 
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Kamiyan3991 said:
Lawren222 said:
Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now.

I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).


LOL 'shounen MC' right he is surrounded by nakama he wants to protect and has an idealistic vision of wanting to save the world or wanting to be the best/strongest. Right..... just make yourself look like a clown even more.

Titty fondling MC of fire force shouting hero janaika in every other scene > thorfinn. another clown to add to the ignore list.
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Damn, that Thorkell was over the top, OP. The guy didn't even flinch when he lost two fingers.
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nanashi796 said:
Comander-07 said:
Yes yes it certainly is. And the few things they do say arent outstanding either. Google the word.

But lmao your "opinion" is officially worthless anyway since you think Monogotari dialogue is only good because they talk a lot. WTF how even.

@Chainxbastard monogatari isnt the standard lmao. Its the standard for "outstanding". And this here is simply not.

Necessary r/im14andthisisdeep The example you just gave is cringe and bad dialogue.
lol monogatari dialogue oustanding,just the line everyone is a slave to something is better than all the dialogues in monogatari combined and it's not even the best dialogue in vinland saga.

If a line u'd copypaste on your instagram profile with some cringy hashtags is what makes dialogues good to u, sure.

OT: This is getting more shonen-esque every bloody ep, we just got the cartoonish fat noble a couple of eps ago, and now the 0 dimensions fight maniac.

Also Thorfinn has no problem in faking his death to caught the enemy off guard? What happened to his already questionable sense of honor? I really don't see that much difference between killing someone with his guard lowered and killing someone in his sleep.
 
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vhagar8 said:
nanashi796 said:
lol monogatari dialogue oustanding,just the line everyone is a slave to something is better than all the dialogues in monogatari combined and it's not even the best dialogue in vinland saga.

If a line u'd copypaste on your instagram profile with some cringy hashtags is what makes dialogues good to u, sure.

OT: This is getting more shonen-esque every bloody ep, we just got the cartoonish fat noble a couple of eps ago, and now the 0 dimensions fight maniac.

Also Thorfinn has no problem in faking his death to caught the enemy off guard? What happened to his already questionable sense of honor? I really don't see that much difference between killing someone with his guard lowered and killing someone in his sleep.
this is the most stupid comment i've seen in mal congrats.
 
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I read an article saying that Vinland Saga is having difficulty trying to combine the Seinen feeling of the backstory and serious tone of the world, with the shounen feeling of the early chapters. After reading a few comments, I see that this opinion is very wide spread. I can also see why people are disappointed and some dropping the show. The manga started as a shounen I believe for three and a half volumes of the single volume manga. It then became a Seinen manga and still is till this day. The anime started as Seinen, then back to shounen and now back to Seinen. Pretty jarring for people that have no knowledge of the manga. Most likely very disappointing for people wanting a true and full Seinen experience. I don’t know what to say to people anymore to try and convince them to stick with the anime. I only hope that with this information, people can understand why it feels jarring and as felt like a shounen for the last 3 episodes.
 
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EchoAnEternity said:
I read an article saying that Vinland Saga is having difficulty trying to combine the Seinen feeling of the backstory and serious tone of the world, with the shounen feeling of the early chapters. After reading a few comments, I see that this opinion is very wide spread. I can also see why people are disappointed and some dropping the show.


I've heard some people say they're let down because they signed up for a seinen but instead got a MC who flies around like a ninja, so they're annoyed & can't enjoy the show or take it seriously.
In my opinion, as the story moves forward, the dialogue becomes more elevated, and the plot becomes more intricate with more moving pieces.
But it's hard to see how their complains will be alleviated. To me, the style of combat stays consistent, especially with Thorkell and Thorfinn.
 
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najumobi said:
EchoAnEternity said:
I read an article saying that Vinland Saga is having difficulty trying to combine the Seinen feeling of the backstory and serious tone of the world, with the shounen feeling of the early chapters. After reading a few comments, I see that this opinion is very wide spread. I can also see why people are disappointed and some dropping the show.


I've heard some people say they're let down because they signed up for a seinen but instead got a MC who flies around like a ninja, so they're annoyed & can't enjoy the show or take it seriously.
In my opinion, as the story moves forward, the dialogue becomes more elevated, and the plot becomes more intricate with more moving pieces.
But it's hard to see how their complains will be alleviated. To me, the style of combat stays consistent, especially with Thorkell and Thorfinn.


The author took that liberty for the sake of being “fun”. He believed that if he kept the fights realistic that no one would enjoy it. That it would become stale after awhile. He was also influenced by viking tales and sagas. Which speak of people doing superhuman feats and one person taking on hundreds of soldiers. But, in the end it’s all about personal preference and expectations. Something which Vinland is sadly not able to succeed at. Maybe I am sounding pessimistic when saying this, but I believe anime only people will not be pleased with this series until it’s already to late and they have dropped the show.
 
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While I am really really enjoying this show I don't feel like I am getting the experience I was quite wanting. Not that I am not sold on the series because I am but I was hoping for more of a seinen than what I am getting currently.

That being said this is quality stuff. The fights are enjoyable and fun but I have to take myself out of the mindset of expecting this would be a more dark brooding tale. There are certainly times this feels closer to a shonen, not that I am complaining.
 
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EchoAnEternity said:
najumobi said:


I've heard some people say they're let down because they signed up for a seinen but instead got a MC who flies around like a ninja, so they're annoyed & can't enjoy the show or take it seriously.
In my opinion, as the story moves forward, the dialogue becomes more elevated, and the plot becomes more intricate with more moving pieces.
But it's hard to see how their complains will be alleviated. To me, the style of combat stays consistent, especially with Thorkell and Thorfinn.


The author took that liberty for the sake of being “fun”. He believed that if he kept the fights realistic that no one would enjoy it. That it would become stale after awhile. He was also influenced by viking tales and sagas. Which speak of people doing superhuman feats and one person taking on hundreds of soldiers. But, in the end it’s all about personal preference and expectations. Something which Vinland is sadly not able to succeed at. Maybe I am sounding pessimistic when saying this, but I believe anime only people will not be pleased with this series until it’s already to late and they have dropped the show.


Pretty much nothing is universally liked nearly ever pouplar series in existence I've notice has people online saying its overrated/overhyped and that's ok don't let yourself feel too upset about it is just a result of people having different taste and opinions. Its honestly for the best if the people who dont like it for being too "shonen" specially drop it becuse while the second half of the prologue and Farmland would likely appeal to them much more the Baltic Sea War arc felt closer to a shonen then anything in the first half of the prologue besides chapter 1/episode 7 imo ( not saying the arc was bad there was still plenty too like about still)if stuff like the over the top fighting bothers them so much they might not be happy with the series by that point anyways.
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Lawren222 said:
EchoAnEternity said:


The author took that liberty for the sake of being “fun”. He believed that if he kept the fights realistic that no one would enjoy it. That it would become stale after awhile. He was also influenced by viking tales and sagas. Which speak of people doing superhuman feats and one person taking on hundreds of soldiers. But, in the end it’s all about personal preference and expectations. Something which Vinland is sadly not able to succeed at. Maybe I am sounding pessimistic when saying this, but I believe anime only people will not be pleased with this series until it’s already to late and they have dropped the show.


Pretty much nothing is universally liked nearly ever pouplar series in existence I've notice has people online saying its overrated/overhyped and that's ok don't let yourself feel too upset about it is just a result of people having different taste and opinions. Its honestly for the best if the people who dont like it for being too "shonen" specially drop it becuse while the second half of the prologue and Farmland would likely appeal to them much more the Baltic Sea War arc felt closer to a shonen then anything in the first half of the prologue besides chapter 1/episode 7 imo ( not saying the arc was bad there was still plenty too like about still)if stuff like the over the top fighting bothers them so much they might not be happy with the series by that point anyways.


Don’t worry, I’m not upset. I only wish people could be more open minded. For them to enjoy something that I enjoy as well. A pretty greedy and one-sided thought, now that I think about it. But, as you said we are all people who like different things and who differ in opinions. Something that I respect deeply.
 
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I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).


LOL 'shounen MC' right he is surrounded by nakama he wants to protect and has an idealistic vision of wanting to save the world or wanting to be the best/strongest. Right..... just make yourself look like a clown even more.

Titty fondling MC of fire force shouting hero janaika in every other scene > thorfinn. another clown to add to the ignore list.


Thank you. This troll really scored Shounen Fireforce an 8. I am literally at a loss for words
 
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While I am really really enjoying this show I don't feel like I am getting the experience I was quite wanting. Not that I am not sold on the series because I am but I was hoping for more of a seinen than what I am getting currently.

That being said this is quality stuff. The fights are enjoyable and fun but I have to take myself out of the mindset of expecting this would be a more dark brooding tale. There are certainly times this feels closer to a shonen, not that I am complaining.


Keep watching. Vinland Saga isn't so highly praised for no reason. You won't have to wait long since next episode is when the greatness starts. The first 19 chapters are good (better than most manga/anime) but nothing exceptional. The 2nd half of the arc is where the story lies.

 
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Its not ment to be fun to watch...

This statement seemed weird to me at first, but then I remember watching Dororo. During some stretches, I started dreading watching each subsequent episode; it was painful to see the kind of suffering going on episode after episode. But I consider it a worthwhile watch because it left an impact.

You're correct. I actually could choose better words, too.

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Not having to watch this edgy kid would be enough. Srsly, I thought that his character might be interesting, but he f* refuse to turn off his emo-mode.


You say that while you rated "Shounen Firefighter" an 8. There is no world where that anime is better than this one. Except maybe in the mind of a troll.

You said it yourself tho. It is shounen anime. I rate stuff by category and my own expectations. I rated VS lower cuz of my sheer disappointment.
And I honestly thought that "Shounen Firefighter" would be way worse, but I actually have good times with it. You only need to turn off your brain, and enjoy some DP animations.

Not like my scores need explanation since I don't really give a darn about them. Too lazy to update/change anything. Unless something really impress/disappoint me. And TBH, defending one anime with another is just lame. Like you can't just find good qualities in VS, so you dis Firefighters. So lame.

Lawren222 said:
Kamiyan3991 said:

I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).
Its not ment to be fun to watch but Thorfinn will moved more to the background of the prologue after Caunte is more properly introduced, of Askeladd's group the only really important character there is Askeladd himself and you will likely find him more interesting once more of his character is explored( there is a lot more to him then meets the eye which has subtly being hinted at but will be shown off much more later). Hes the most important character of the prologue overall followed by Caunte,then Thorkell and then Thorfinn. Thorfinn is the MC of the series as a whole but the narrative dosent truly become driven by him till Farmland ( the second arc) which is when he develops into a likeable character. It's funny though in the prologue people complain about Thorfinn being an edgy brat but post proglue people whine about how they miss edgy " badass " Thorfinn he can never get a break.

Oh, Caunte actually seems interesting. I know that part of the story might be actually good. They say he's a wimp but that's probably not the case, right?
BTW, thank you for your response. You're the one making sense here, I even feel a bit convinced now.

Talking with regular fanboys is a real pain in the neck.
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Thorkell is one tough guy. Looks as strong as Askeladd.
 
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Kamiyan3991 said:
najumobi said:

This statement seemed weird to me at first, but then I remember watching Dororo. During some stretches, I started dreading watching each subsequent episode; it was painful to see the kind of suffering going on episode after episode. But I consider it a worthwhile watch because it left an impact.

You're correct. I actually could choose better words, too.

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You say that while you rated "Shounen Firefighter" an 8. There is no world where that anime is better than this one. Except maybe in the mind of a troll.

You said it yourself tho. It is shounen anime. I rate stuff by category and my own expectations. I rated VS lower cuz of my sheer disappointment.
And I honestly thought that "Shounen Firefighter" would be way worse, but I actually have good times with it. You only need to turn off your brain, and enjoy some DP animations.

Not like my scores need explanation since I don't really give a darn about them. Too lazy to update/change anything. Unless something really impress/disappoint me. And TBH, defending one anime with another is just lame. Like you can't just find good qualities in VS, so you dis Firefighters. So lame.

Lawren222 said:
Its not ment to be fun to watch but Thorfinn will moved more to the background of the prologue after Caunte is more properly introduced, of Askeladd's group the only really important character there is Askeladd himself and you will likely find him more interesting once more of his character is explored( there is a lot more to him then meets the eye which has subtly being hinted at but will be shown off much more later). Hes the most important character of the prologue overall followed by Caunte,then Thorkell and then Thorfinn. Thorfinn is the MC of the series as a whole but the narrative dosent truly become driven by him till Farmland ( the second arc) which is when he develops into a likeable character. It's funny though in the prologue people complain about Thorfinn being an edgy brat but post proglue people whine about how they miss edgy " badass " Thorfinn he can never get a break.

Oh, Caunte actually seems interesting. I know that part of the story might be actually good. They say he's a wimp but that's probably not the case, right?
BTW, thank you for your response. You're the one making sense here, I even feel a bit convinced now.

Talking with regular fanboys is a real pain in the neck.
I dont want to go too much detail into Canute's character right now because of the spoilers it has on the arc but the prologue's story is a slow burn( or rather the anime is making it feel slower since it added original content and adapted the first 17 chapters in a different order from the manga)but its worth it imo. The plot and acurate direction of this arc will finally start to become clearer in the next episode.
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Damn he lost two fingers and didn't give a shit.
 
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Pretty nice episode, and the Thorkell introduction was pretty great.
With Canute appearing,
 
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VinlandBlonde Sengoku Samurai Saga. Somehow feels rather phony.

OK action. Signs of future character development. OK buildup, I guess.
 
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This series is so under appreciated, probably because it's on Prime instead of traditional streaming services, kinda glad more people don't know about it tho.


I think by the end, when he can actually do it, Thorfinn won't even want to kill Asekladd anymore
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The episode was great. It was a little nostalgic when Askeladd was with Sweyn because it felt like Madara and Hashirama was there again LOL (Naoya Uchida voiced Madara and is the current voice of Askeladd while Sugo voiced Hashirama and is voicing Sweyn). Overall, it was a nice episode
 
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My fav character just appeared like that a madafaking Madman Thorkell and seems he knows about Thor, I wonder if they were friends.
 
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Thorkell voiced by Solid Snake himself, nice! pretty cool fight.
 
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beminim said:
Ok episode. The fight was actually pretty good although they didn't show Thorfinn cutting Thorkell's fingers. His last line about war not being anything fun? I agree. I can relate to Thorfinn since back when I was in the army there were plenty who thought it was going to be fun. Nothing good is in there.

I'm going to bitch about the cg. It takes me out of the feeling of the show a lot. It is not hideous, but in the latter part of the episode that cg crowd was hell. It feels like I am playing a game on the DS. I'm probably going to watch one or two more episodes and drop it to read the manga instead.

Definitely read the manga, this is complementary for me but it just can't capture the detail in the original artwork, specially with the CG as you mentioned.
 
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Thorkell OP. PLZ NERF!!!
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Thorkell is too much for Thorfinn as of now!
but great fight!
Thorkell's a madman! haha!
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I'm really getting fed up of seeing 3D-CG-Rendered crowds that don't even try to look like the anime in question sneaking their way into my anime dood.
 
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beminim said:
Ok episode. The fight was actually pretty good although they didn't show Thorfinn cutting Thorkell's fingers. His last line about war not being anything fun? I agree. I can relate to Thorfinn since back when I was in the army there were plenty who thought it was going to be fun. Nothing good is in there.

I'm going to bitch about the cg. It takes me out of the feeling of the show a lot. It is not hideous, but in the latter part of the episode that cg crowd was hell. It feels like I am playing a game on the DS. I'm probably going to watch one or two more episodes and drop it to read the manga instead.

Definitely read the manga, this is complementary for me but it just can't capture the detail in the original artwork, specially with the CG as you mentioned.
yeah, from what i saw the manga is very detailed. The anime is not bad, but it is less than the original artwork
 
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betraying your country for fun or motivating your country people to invade London I'm beet skeptical to him by the way his name was Thorkell did he have any connection to Thors it getting interesting

our main character is still confident that he lost
 
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